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Paypal Reverses Payments Made To Indians

bhagwad writes "Beginning January 28, Paypal has been reversing the payments made to any Indian provider of services. In addition, Indian users have been unable to withdraw their money to their bank accounts. As a result, a large number of Indian Paypal accounts have negative balances running into the thousands of dollars. The worst part is that users weren't informed beforehand — the funds were just whisked away. Indian providers have gone ballistic, with over 2,000 posts on a thread on the reversal of payments and over 700 posts on this thread about the delay in transfers. Paypal hasn't given any explanation to this behavior other than they're looking into it. Although Paypal claims in the above blog post that payments made for 'Services' are not being reversed, this is not true. All payments not made for 'Goods' with a shipping address have been reversed — in fact, the Paypal e-mail tells the Indian sellers to encourage their clients to lie and claim that they're paying for goods with a shipping address instead."

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  1. Makes me wonder... by lag10 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why anyone trusts PayPal with their money.

    1. Re:Makes me wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nobody trusts Paypal, but there is no viable alternative. Not yet, anyway, but that can't take long in light of these shenenigans.

    2. Re:Makes me wonder... by rolfwind · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nobody trusts Paypal, but there is no viable alternative. Not yet, anyway, but that can't take long in light of these shenenigans.

      They've been saying that about the shenanigans since the beginning of the 2000s.

      The fact is that Paypal acts like a bank but without any of the regulations. A bank can't freeze your assets and the like just because they don't like you or what you do -- only the government can do that. Something's got to give here: the last crisis showed banks can't regulate themselves on a trustworthy level.

      There are alternatives: google checkout and a myriad of others. Since ebay doesn't allow competition to their paypal - it makes it harder though...

    3. Re:Makes me wonder... by zuperduperman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The beauty is that you don't really have to trust PayPal. I usually transfer money out of my PayPal account within minutes of it arriving there, and I have made sure never to authorize PayPal to withdraw from any bank account I have.

      Just make sure you have a backup plan so that if / when PayPal suspends your account for some stupid reason you have somewhere else for customers to go.

    4. Re:Makes me wonder... by Rophuine · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Paper records can be easily forged and it takes tools most banks don't have to tell when and by whom. Electronic records are more secure.

  2. Banking Reform by PingXao · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Banking reform in the US should include subjecting PayPal to all the rules and regulations that apply to banks. I find it strange how they've managed to avoid being classed as a bank all these years in the first place. Current regulations leave a lot to be desired, but making PayPal adhere to them would be a good first step.

  3. Yet another reason by Dracos · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why PayPal needs to be regulated as a bank, and why I refuse to use it.

  4. Re:Paypal is not a bank by smallfries · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No you are completely and utterly wrong. There is a very authoritative document from the Fed that explains how banks expand the money supply, but a simple starting point for you would be the wiki page on Fractional Reserve Banking.

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  5. Fail to see the problem by pla · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As a result, a large number of Indian Paypal accounts have a negative balances running into the thousands of dollars.

    Does anyone else see that as a good opportunity to cease their relationship with PayPay (for those stupid enough to have kept using them anytime in the past, oh, decade)?

    Remember - Not a bank, by their own maneuverings. You can't actually owe PayPal money, because they don't sell anything or provide any (direct for-cost) services. Sure, you can owe their other customers money, but PayPal itself?

    Negative balance? Yeah, time to close that account. Thanks, PayPal, but you can keep "my" negative money. Funny thing, about forced arbitration clauses - You can stack the system as much in your favor as you want, but to get government sponsored armed thugs to go shake down your clients, you need to step in to a real court of law and risk setting some seriously unfavorable precedents.