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State of Alabama Fighting NASA's New Plan

FleaPlus writes "Alabama politicians have formed a 'task force' dedicated to fighting NASA's new plans to cancel the costly Constellation/Ares program, which is largely based in Alabama. The chronically mismanaged Constellation project attempted to build new rockets in-house and replicate an Apollo-style lunar program with minimal investment in new technologies. NASA's new boosted budget revives formerly suppressed R&D efforts into critical technologies needed for a sustainable push towards Mars and intermediate waypoint destinations, works with (instead of trying to compete with) existing commercial rockets to transport cargo/crew to orbit, and funds a stream of robotic precursor missions to scout other worlds and demonstrate new technologies. The Alabama task force fighting the new plan includes former NASA Administrator Mike Griffin and former Ares project manager Steve Cook."

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  1. Well, shoot, son by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now, I dun know so much about rockets and flyin' to the moon and all that, but hooey, when you wanna start talkin' bout putting some downhome good ol' boys out of work, well, sir, I just gotta speak my mind. This ain't a threat, son. You take those jobs away from us here and God Almighty help us, we ain't gonna have nothin better to do than march on up to Washington and have us an ol' fashioned conference with each individual congresscritter that 'pposed us. Alabama style.

    You catch my drift, fellas?

    1. Re:Well, shoot, son by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In that case, I've got a few nigger jokes I've been itching to tell someone...

      Hey, it's just humor right?

    2. Re:Well, shoot, son by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not so. Making fun of ignorant WHITES is always accepted. But attempt to make the same type of humorous blanket commentary about the ignorance of any other ethnic group, and you'll immediately be branded a brown people-hating racist.

    3. Re:Well, shoot, son by pieszynski · · Score: 5, Insightful

      why yes, it is just humour, a nigger joke is no more racist than one that starts "there's an englishman, an irishman and a scotsman" Racism doesn't lie in the words you use but in the actions you take. Calling someone a nigger, kike, wop, etc etc doesn't make you racist. Not hiring someone because they happen to be black, refusing to allow your jewish daughter to marry a muslim, putting a sign on your hotel that says "no irish" those sort of things are racist. If the word itself is racist then most hip hop should be labeled hate speech, instead we use these words as a crude marker: "if you say x you believe y" isn't a good enough way to deal with whats a very contentious issue.

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      a man of infinite shallows
  2. Kill the Pork by couchslug · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Alabamans want to save their pork, plain and simple.

    Their efforts should be attacked as being pure pork-barrel politics and characterized as a deliberate attempt to save a bad program purely for the money.

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    "This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
    1. Re:Kill the Pork by jfengel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And what is the enemy of small business? Taxes.

      Taxes are not the enemy of small business. Most small business pay very little in tax, for the simple reason that taxes are paid on profits. Most small businesses that fail, fail without paying a dime of tax.

      The enemy of small business is the fact that starting a business requires a lot of up-front cash and you need income immediately to start paying that back. This is a difficult proposition even for a well-managed, well-conceived business plan.

      Right now, the enemy of small business is the fact that they can't get those loans to begin in this economic climate. Blaming it on "taxes" is just the knee-jerk response, without foundation.

    2. Re:Kill the Pork by Vellmont · · Score: 5, Insightful


      You know what creates jobs? Small business. The overwhelming majority of Americans are employed by small businesses. And what is the enemy of small business?

      Big Business? Healthcare costs? Under-expanding? Over-expanding? Lack of a certain skill? Unfair foreign competition? Lack of access to loans to expand? Key people leaving?

      Taxes.

      Err.. OK. I've been in several small businesses over the years, and the number one thing they worry about sure as hell isn't taxes. It's on the radar of course, but who doesn't like to complain about taxes? Any business that sits around and worries about taxes is already a very successful business to worry about such small scale issues. If you want to help small business, you probably shouldn't start with one of the things of least concern. I'm really tired of the same-old-same-old line from the Republican party that "if we just lower taxes, that'll fix everything!". So here we are with a far lower tax rate than we had during the 90s, and the economy is in the shitter. How many times do you have to do the same thing which doesn't work to realize it's not working?

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    3. Re:Kill the Pork by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The flaw in this is that Bush did not actually lower taxes. To do that you also need to lower spending. What Bush did was to DEFER taxes by reducing current taxes and borrow the difference. Obviously this is completely untenable as a long term policy. These borrowing will have to be repaid, with the money coming from - you guessed it tax increases, or maybe more subtly as increased inflation.

      These is something very fundamental here. Your taxes are equal to what government SPENDS. Not what it collects as tax revenue. Some of those taxes are due immediately, others are payable at a later date.

      The idea that Bush's tax cuts improved revenues is transparently wrong - the didn't, revenues went down. Not only that but unemployment is very high now, and we have accumulated a large debt from those tax cuts that will hamper our economy.

  3. We want Change|Wait, that means things will change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Typical, people complain about taxes and wasteful spending, then shit themselves when the government stops spending wastefully ON THEM.

    I guess I understand it. People don't really care about whether taxes are high or being spent wisely. They only care about how much of it goes to them. To most, the government is nothing more than a big ciculating fan that sucks money from somewhere and blows it to somewhere else. You jockey for position to stand where the biggest cash dunes collect, and from there use the money to shape the future direction of the wind.

    That's all this is. It's got nothing to do with actual space exploration or engineering or research.

  4. Griffin and Areas by rijrunner · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not surprised Griffin is trying this. He's always had some agenda. When he took office, the constellation program was based on building a new capsule onto existing launch vehicles, while doing R&D on new launch vehicles and other approaches. (Essentially the exact same program that is being put back in place). He threw out years worth of development to develop 2 launch vehicles and manned capsule concurrently, which is a much more expensive and complicated process.

        About the only thing that survived was the X-37 and that is because it is a USAF run program. It is scheduled to launch in April.

        It is much, much easier to design a single system than interlocking systems. Each weight gain on Ares results in a weight loss on Orion. Until they finalize the design of the launch platform, they can not really make much of a guess as to the final design of the manned capsule. In the 1960's, they were able to do that for Saturn and the CSM because Von Braun did not believe the initial weight budgets for the proposed Saturn rocket, so he allowed for a large degree of error in those estimates before giving the base design requirements for the CSM. That did not happen with Ares and Orion. They made their mass budgets with little room for error, so any growth outside the projected mass had a rather large impact on Orion.

        (Seriously, it was bizarre how Griffin came in and years of design work on X-38, OSP, CEV, X-33.. *everything* was thrown out. The one R&D program he could not touch that started in 2006 is set to fly a demo in about 2 months. X-38 and others were much further along in their development path than Orion is now. If he had not monkeyed with the OSP program, its a pretty reasonable guess we would be flying hardware now).

  5. Whoever marked parent as "Troll" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Remember the Republican mottos, kids:

    - Earmarks are bad, except in my district!

    - Government spending can't create jobs, except in my district!

    "Troll" ?!? Excuse me!?!?

    That's how it works in Washington. We have the same thing here in GA. Saxby Chamblis (R) and the rest our mostly Republican congressional team bashes Obama's spending ALL the time but when it comes to the F-22 project (they're made here in Marietta), he's got his hand out just like any other politician.

    Both parties are guilty of it. WTF is it with you people, someone makes an observation that's actually true but says something negative you mod it down?!?

    Some of you people are such ignoramuses! Troll indeed!