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Where Microsoft's Profits Come From

derrida writes "Microsoft is the largest, most profitable software company in the world. In case you had any doubts about where Microsoft's profit comes from, there's nothing better than a graph to make all those numbers clear. As you may have guessed, the desktop division is quite profitable, while the online division is a money pit."

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  1. Re:The chart is mis-labeled by DAldredge · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How am I wasting money by paying for products like Win7 and Office?

  2. Re:Monkeyboy needs to go by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not really. There are some interesting approaches to peer-to-peer search that don't really become feasible until consumer Internet connections are a bit faster than they currently are. I wouldn't be surprised if this is how the majority are searching in 10-20 years time. Meanwhile, Google will have branched out and will be less dependent on their search revenue. Microsoft might end up spending billions to buy their way into a market that doesn't exist anymore, just like they did with browsers.

    Their strategy in the browser war was to make sure that no one could make money selling a browser. The unfortunate side effect was that this meant that Microsoft couldn't make money selling a browser either, but still needed to ship one to remain competitive. If they'd sold IE, rather than giving it away, and managed to keep 40% or so of the browser market, I wonder what their financials would look like now. Did IE really lock that many people into Windows? ActiveX was only really used in the wild for Intranet deployments, and in that case IE is used more as a distributed application client than a web browser, so the same lock-in could have been achieved by bundling an unlimited client license to IE with the BackOffice or NT Server.

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  3. Re:Weird Co-incidence by LordThyGod · · Score: 3, Interesting

    True. Successful in much the same way Al Capone was. If you can't out compete them legitimately, you do things like "cut off their oxygen supply". Or deliberately alter your OS code so competitor's products won't run on it. These people are unusually successfully in the low-blow business practices that got them to where they are, and now we pay the price (the royal "we") for overpriced, bloated products like MS Office, that effectively have no competition in some markets, and never will. And not because MS is smarter or codes better either. Only because MS and their fellow travellers do not want competition in those markets and get away with it, because they have a monopoly in the OS market. And because these are of course quite profitable (due to absence of competition).

  4. Re:Class action lawsuit ? by nine-times · · Score: 4, Interesting

    IANAL either, but I don't believe a stockholder can simply sue a company for not being profitable enough. I know you hear all about how a CEO's only responsibility is to make short-term profit for shareholders, but I'm under the impression that it's quite a bit overblown. I believe it's more like, if you can show some kind of unethical behavior where they're purposefully sacrificing profits for personal gain, then you have some kind of case.

    The way you hear it around here, you'd think a CEO can be thrown in prison for failing to screw an old lady out of her last dime because he has an enormous legal responsibility to maximize this quarter's profits. I have a hard time believing that.

  5. Re:Preparing for the Future or Buying Their Own Hy by devent · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And yet, a decade without innovation seems to have cost Microsoft nothing in terms of their core markets, and their experimental markets seem to be flat. Almost as if they are trying to push the market in a direction the market knows better than to follow.

    What a surprise. If you want to sell an Office or Operation System the first thing your customers will ask you, how good does it support Microsoft Office file format or how good will my Windows only applications running.

    It's good to have an almost monopoly, you just need to polish your old applications, make the binary formats slightly incompatible, so if some important person buys the new one, everyone else must upgrade, too.

    I mean, what choice do customers have? It's either Windows 7 Starter or Windows 7 Home Basic or an Mac in the Apple Store.

    Every school in the western world is teaching only Windows and Office. Microsoft is not a company, it's an institution. Every Computer vendor in this world have to support Windows and all the big ones are promoting Windows with everything they have. Just try to get a new Computer, everyone will have a "Xxx recommends Windows 7" and if Microsoft will have a new Windows 8, every big vendor will put a "Xxx recommends Windows 8", regardless of any quality.

    For MS and the vendors it's a win/win situation. Microsoft have ads and it sells Windows, as well as other products that are build on top of Windows. The vendors get the Windows copy for free (or almost for free).

    Just try and implement and sell a new system or office suite. The entry line to this market is like enter in the tourist space market or to colonize a new planet. But a system or an office suite are very simple applications. You need some know-how, but it's not rocket science.

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  6. Re:Class action lawsuit ? by Fnkmaster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The short answer is no, you can't do that - they aren't losing the profits, they just may be investing them in other projects that have created business lines that aren't so profitable. That isn't illegal, it's a strategy, and it may eventually pay out or it may not.

    Now, there are tools like filing proxies, or getting your own board members put in place, that are possible for groups of shareholders working together which can put significant pressure on companies to change their capital structure, dividend policies, share buyback plans and so on. And those have worked to some extent with Microsoft, which was pressured into paying out a huge one-time cash dividend 4 or 5 years ago.