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Tour de France Champion Accused of Hacking

ub3r n3u7r4l1st writes "A French judge has issued a national arrest warrant for US cyclist Floyd Landis in connection with a case of data hacking at a doping laboratory, a prosecutor's office said. French judge Thomas Cassuto is seeking to question Landis about computer hacking dating back to September 2006 at the Chatenay-Malabry lab, said Astrid Granoux, spokeswoman for Nanterre's prosecutor's office. The laboratory near Paris had uncovered abnormally elevated testosterone levels in Landis' samples collected in the run-up to his 2006 Tour de France victory, leading to the eventual loss of his medal."

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  1. Hackers on Steroids by Arancaytar · · Score: 4, Funny

    FINALLY that phrase makes some kind of sense.

  2. What a concept! by bbbaldie · · Score: 4, Funny

    A hacker that doesn't weigh 250 lbs, doesn't live on Cheetohs, and actually exercises!

  3. Landis grew up a Mennonite by Ogive17 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Landis grew up a Mennonite, sometimes refered to German Baptists, often mistaken as Amish. I'm not saying it's impossible for him to have learned the skills to do something like this, but I'm sure he has almost no access to a computer while growing up and his riding training probably kept him from honing his skills online.

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    1. Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite by nedlohs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The skills needed are to find someone who has the required computer skills and offer them something in exchange for doing a task.

    2. Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite by gilly_gize · · Score: 5, Informative

      As someone who grew up in Floyd Landis' hometown...German Mennonites are not really comparable to Amish when it comes to the use of computers and even some of the Amish themselves have fine computer skills (using them at the library, just not at their home). Landis' could very well have had the same level of exposure to a computer as a child as any other American his age.

    3. Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Landis grew up with traditional Mennonites. His parents had to go to someone else's house to see his performance in the Tour de France because they don't even own a TV.

      I get your point. I went to college in Harrisonburg, VA, deep in Mennonite territory. Many stores had hitching posts for the horse and buggies Mennonites drove, but on the other hand the lead engineer at the only non-PBS station there was a friend of mine and a Mennonite and knew electronics better than I ever will, but Landis was raised in a traditional family. One problem he had when he was younger and wanted to ride was having to always wear sweat pants when training due to their issues about modesty.

    4. Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite by rve · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Come on, noone is suggesting he did it himself. According to the press, he was accused after his lawyer presented documents in his case that he did not obtain through official channels. It seems more likely to me (as a complete outsider) that they bribed someone who had access.

      The usual accusations of anti Americanism are getting very tiresome. Every year, several riders are kicked out of the race and stripped of any stage victories after failing a doping test. Landis failed a doping test. This was just the first time it happened to the #1 after the finish at the champs elysees. Noone gets to appeal this decision in court. Every rider who performs exceptionally has always been suspected or accused of doping in the media, not just Armstrong. It's just that American sports fans aren't interested in cycling, just in Lance Armstrong.

      Previous tour winners Pantani, Ulrich, Riis, Indurain etc were all accused in the media of taking dope - some of them were caught - all the way back to the days of Anquetil who sort of openly used doping before it was banned. I don't remember American 3 time tour winner Greg LeMond being accused of doping, but I'm sure he was.

      The Floyd Landis case is considered particularily insulting, because the winner failing a drug test smeared the reputation of the tour even further. He never apologised and now 2 years later he still hasn't accepted guilt and is still appealing that decision. With his 2 year ban expired, he was planning to compete in this year's race. It looks like some people in France really wish he didn't.

      Now the question whether this treatment professional cyclists get is fair is another matter. The doping tests are a huge invasion of privacy, and upon failing a test the athlete is presumed guilty and expelled immediately, facing long time bans with very little legal recourse. False positives and sabotage cannot be ruled out, and if doping cases were judged in a court of law, few athletes would be found guilty beyond reasonable doubt. It just doesn't normally get this far. After a failed dope test, they usually go 'Ok, I'm guilty. I'm so sorry, I'll never do it again, I'm totally anti-doping from now on'

    5. Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite by zx75 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Please readjust your thinking about Mennonites... you are so very wrong that you almost circle completely back again.

      I will state for a fact that I am Mennonite. I got my first computer when I was 6 (1988) and I am currently employed as a software developer.

      Although the Amish and the Old Order are Mennonites (which are among the few sects that have community restrictions on technology) the reverse is not true. It is equivalent to me saying that you are Christian, sometimes mistaken as Mormon. I'm not saying it's impossible for you to be monagamous, but I'm sure you were raised in a polygamous cult.

      I will further add to my comment in saying that I do know some Old Order and Amish people, and have had a nice long conversation with an Old Order deacon and teacher who explained that it is not technology that they shun, but anything new that may split their community. They take a very long time to evaluate new techology (usually about 300 years or so) but they do use some modern equipment. The Old Order community that I was on used modern combines (computer controlled) in order to quickly and efficiently harvest their fields.

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    6. Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Amazingly, LeMond is the only Tour winner in the last 25+ years not implicated in a doping scandel. I grew up about 30miles east of where Landis did and I'm an avid cyclist. I was very upset when news of his positive test came out, even more upset in the years since due to his continued denials. Sure the lab made some procedural mistakes, but in the end, he had artificial steroids in his system. Had taken the David Millar route: Admin, Aplogize, help reform.. I'd welcome him. Had he gone the Kohl route, admit and retire, I'd have respected him.. Now I just wish he'd shut up and go away, but I hear he may sign with Rock Racing, another group of folks I wish would go away.

    7. Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite by rve · · Score: 5, Informative

      There is a small problem with the French regarding the Tour: They're not thrustworthy in their judgement. If Floyd Landis had been named Richard Virenque the tests would probably have mysteriously disappeared. I'm not saying that he didn't cheat, but the French are very often using double standards regarding cycling...
      I guess it has something to do with Armstrong winning the tour 7 times in a row which their own heroes Anquetil and Hinault never could...

      You mean like Richard Virenque who was ejected from the Tour in 1998 by French officials in the Festina scandal and who became a virtual pariah in his home country for his continued refusal to admit his guilt?

      You don't read about non-Americans being accused of doping because you don't read about cyclists who aren't Lance Armstrong. All successful professional cyclists of the last 3 or 4 decades have been accused / suspected of doping.

    8. Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let me be clear here--I live in Lancaster, PA, near where Landis grew up. I think he's guilty, but it's still up to the French to conclusively show this. They haven't.

      "Landis failed a doping test."

      Landis suppsedly failed doping tests, plural. The initial first two results of which were thrown out due to abnormalities in lab handling.

      What he was finally "convicted" of based on test results, he was never given the data of the test results to even review.

      This is a very confusing case, partly because the details aren't reported clearly, and that there has been many steps and turns in the process. But the French wanted Landis to give up, and he didn't, and they've grown tired of his defense, so they essentially had a closed court conviction, which doesn't sit well with Landis or many onlookers.

      I should also point out, what Landis was taking, while clearly a performance enhancer, was not detected in earlier tests of him during the same TDF. He started taking it DURING the TDF, in which the synthetic testosterone would have no play in his performance (testosterone is more a long term actor and a muscle builder, not short term); that's the other perplexing issue that's been raised but never explained, with most thinking it was maybe a pyschological or dare taking inducing edge, but it still makes little sense to start taking a longer term nont short term performance enhancer mid-race. In turn, some think something was spiked.

      "The usual accusations of anti Americanism are getting very tiresome."

      Why, because you believe the French are doing this fairly or because you're lazy? On ESPN, look at the commentary/conversations about this. You have French and EU fans ragging about how they gave more donations per capita to Haiti, as a measure of them being better than the US, of all things. While you may be tired about the anti-Americanism claims, it is and has been continuing to occur whether you like it or not. Bury your head in the sand if you wish, but to NOT think there is nationalistic focus and intent in this is insane.

      When you have a French newspaper, owns the TDF, pulling old B samples, and testing them, without oversight, then slamming an American winner, without review, most would call that slander. That's what they did to Armstrong. Meanwhile, Bernard Hinault literally states he isn't drinking spring water, he's still celebrated as a national hero, not a cheater. Still. He presents awards at the TDF. Still. For those that don't know, Hinault is a 5 times French TDF winner who openly stated, when asked about steroid use at the TDF, something to the effect "Well, you don't win the Tour drinking spring water." Where's the movement to strip his titles?

      "Pantani, Ulrich, Riis, Indurain"

      I know that Pantani and Ulrich were caught doping after their wins in other races, and they were not stripped of titles since it didn't occur DURING the TDF, yet they only tried that with Armstrong.

      "I don't remember American 3 time tour winner Greg LeMond being accused of doping, but I'm sure he was."

      LeMond had been currently going after Armstrong. The strongest evidence against LeMond was circumstantial and not during any of his TDF years; it was during his couple of comebacks after his hunting accident. He ripped ligaments repeatedly, and the whispers were that sort of damage was due to steroid use he was using to recover.

      "The Floyd Landis case is considered particularily insulting, because the winner failing a drug test smeared the reputation of the tour even further. He never apologised and now 2 years later he still hasn't accepted guilt and is still appealing that decision. With his 2 year ban expired, he was planning to compete in this year's race. It looks like some people in France really wish he didn't."

      "even further"--key words here--the TDF was already smeared with doping scandals, with teams and prior winners conclusively found to be doping.

      Landis wasn't. Partly because he didn't roll over. Which the French foun

    9. Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite by rve · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My point is that they've all been suspected or accused of doping, including French cyclists, not just Armstrong and Landis.

      Doping enforcement was a lot more lenient in the 70's and early 80's. Eddie Merckx was actually caught several times, for example, but it didn't hurt his career.

      Today it is unbelievably draconian. Never failing a drug test is not considered proof of innocence in the public eye. The Festina team was banned in 1998 purely based on circumstantial evidence. None of the riders tested positive, despite the irrefutable proof that they had been taking it.

      But you're right that the sort of evidence used to ban riders from cycling usually wouldn't stand up in court if it was handled by the law. Landis isn't the first who persists in not admitting guilt, if you remember Virenque...

    10. Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite by mmeister · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Testing was much more lax in LeMond's day, so he could very well have skated by. The fact that he's so quick to join the accusers makes me wonder about his motives. And his claims that some of his best friends told him (and only him) in private that they doped says that either his friends are stupid or maybe he's not being truthful.

      Armstrong sued the Tour for their claims and won. He's probably the most drug tested cyclist on the tour, yet all that comes out of the Tour is innuendo and whispers because there is no evidence of him doping. The officials so desperately want to implicate him but can't, so they throw out whispers instead. Of course, Armstrong is probably the best thing that ever happened to the Tour in the last 25+ years.

      I don't know whether Landis did or didn't dope. I do know the claims made (that he would massively dope on the last stage) is inconsistent with the science involved (of how steroids work) and would make Landis an absolute idiot that it leaves questions. I can say that the evidence I saw from the hearings made me question the entire testing process used. In a normal court, Landis would have been found not guilty just on the labs very questionable procedures. Of course, in the Tour "court", if you're accused of doping, you are assumed guilty and have to then prove your innocence. Even the panel's findings suggested major problems with the testing procedures, but they stayed with the guilty assumption.

      I'm waiting for the Tour to have a transparent process in place for testing so that there is no doubt by the public, but they have done absolutely nothing since then.

    11. Re:Landis grew up a Mennonite by Miseph · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But what if, and this is a long shot, he's not just full of it? Sometimes people deny guilt because they're stupid, but every now and then people do it because they're actually innocent.

      I can't help but feel like after this long, no sane person would still be proclaiming innocence if it wasn't true at all.

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  4. Warrant only applies to France by characterZer0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The warrant only applies to France. They are not seeking extradition. I do not know if Landis was actually guilty or not, but given the suspicious behavior of the lab and the French authorities during the initial doping case, it sounds to me like they simply want to prevent him from cycling in France ever again.

    If the way he was riding last year in any indication, he would not be a contender for even a stage win in the TdF, but there is concern that he could take 20th overall, knocking the highest placing Frenchman to 21st.

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    1. Re:Warrant only applies to France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The warrant only applies to France. They are not seeking extradition.

      He's a professional bicyclist. Not being able to go to France is basically ruining his career.

      It's like saying you can keep your car but no gas.

      It's like saying you can have your pizza but no crust.

    2. Re:Warrant only applies to France by Rogerborg · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I know, it's totally bogus how those underhand Frenchies must have infiltrated the United States Anti-Doping Agency which found synthetic testosterone in 4 out of 7 of Landis' B samples. Will they stop at nothing to sully the names of honourable American athletes?

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    3. Re:Warrant only applies to France by Rogerborg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've been using a Cognitive Dissonance Meter for longer that most people, and it's just gone off the scale. No, you can't see it. It's myCognitive Dissonance Meter. You'll just have to trust me.

      And there's more.

      Sure there is. There's the USADA finding synthetic testosterone in 4 out of 7 'B' samples, while Landis' coterie of lawyers wailed how unfair it was to run the synthetic tests on his B samples when his other A samples had shown clean. That's like complaining that the cops found weed in your glove compartment when you hadn't left any lying out on the dash.

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    4. Re:Warrant only applies to France by Hurricane78 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A ex-coworker of mine was in the second french cycling league.
      He was very close to getting into the first league. So he informed himself. And the rules are:
      1. Learn how to touch the wheel of the one in front of you in a way that makes him fall down, or at least slower.
      2. Use doping. Period. Or else you won’t get in the first league.

      There is a system against doping. This is how it is supposed to work:
      Doctors from the competing teams do the doping tests on you. Because they have the greatest interest in fucking up your team.

      This is how it actually works:
      The doctors are the one administering the doping. And everyone does it. So if anyone would tell the truth, his own team would be dead in the blink of an eye. Which means nobody really tests anything. It’s the concept of mutually assured destruction.

      Now you may realize, that every “doping scandal” only was someone falling from grace. (Which can end in a large flame-war, like when pretty much every team suddenly gets “caught”.)

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    5. Re:Warrant only applies to France by jason.sweet · · Score: 3, Funny

      You xenophobic idiot. Last time a frenchman won the tour de France was in 1985 - that's 25 years ago.

      Wow. Not only do they suck at cycling, they also suck at cheating!

    6. Re:Warrant only applies to France by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you read the link, the USADA determined nothing. It was the same French lab that is the center of the controversy that tested the B samples.

    7. Re:Warrant only applies to France by himself · · Score: 4, Funny

      >
      >He's a professional bicyclist. Not being able to go to France is basically ruining his career.
      > It's like saying you can keep your car but no gas.
      > It's like saying you can have your pizza but no crust.
      >

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  5. He is accused of directing the "hacking", not by yourpusher · · Score: 4, Informative

    actually engaging in it.

  6. Re:Hacking cyclists? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh come on, a hacking cyclist? Everyone knows professional cyclists are even dumber than professional soccer players. The French just can't stand loosing from Yanks, look at all the allegations they made against Lance Armstromg.

    Oh, look, everybody, the troll is even dumber than a professional soccer player.

    What's the matter with you? Did a French soccer player knock up your mom?

  7. Top Cyclists are pretty smart. by MasterOfGoingFaster · · Score: 3, Informative

    Uh.... I have two state time trial championships, and finished fourth in my class at the American Mountain Bike Championships. Top cyclists are pretty smart people, and you have to be to get your body in the kind of shape to perform at that level.

    A friend who has won over 6 state championships says the strongest guys doesn't always with, but the smartest strong guy usually does. He fits that description to a T.

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  8. Re:Champion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    There were several issues with the case in general:

    - There were several mistakes with tracking numbers of the so-called anonymous samples; these numbers should have all been consistent, but were not. In some cases, white-out was used to make corrections.
    - There were irregularities in test procedures, including with calibration of the device used to test the testosterone level. The technicians appeared to not be competent in the operation of the device, and interpretation of results.
    - One the original test results sheet provided to Landis and his defense team, there were actually 3 test results, and 2 of them were below the allowed threshold. Personnel from other UCI-approved labs have stated (in confidence) that those results would not have triggered a test failure in their lab. These personnel are not allowed to testify in the arbitration hearing, since they are barred from doing so by the UCI as a condition of becoming a UCI-approved lab.
    - The test was not measuring testosterone levels, which vary by person and situation, but a ratio of one kind of testosterone to another. The actual testosterone level was not high, but the amount of the 'other testosterone', whose level is the denominator, was low.
    - These were supposed to be anonymous tests, but the results were announced in haste by the UCI because the French press had gotten the results from the lab, and were about to go public with them. This should be a major strike against the lab.
    - The arbitration hearings that result in a suspension do not appear to be at all like a normal legal proceeding, and they seem to be organized to rubber stamp (my opinion, of course) the results of the test lab. Landis' team introduced facts that helped their case, but it doesn't look like the 3-judge panel was all that interested in facts. Even so, the vote against him was 2-1, so one of the judges did not believe the test results either.

    There is a good paper on the case, written by a retired criminalist (whatever that is), at this location: http://www.cacnews.org/news/4thq07.pdf

    Some are saying that Landis' performance on the stage on which he tested positive was 'super-human', but he was riding with a PowerTap (which measures power output at the rear wheel hub), and it indicated that he was riding at power levels that he had ridden at in previous races that year (and for which he did not test positive for elevated testosterone). One unusual circumstance of the performance was that he rode ahead early in the race so that he was riding alone, allowing his team car to be near him most of the way, and to keep giving him cold water bottles, around 90 in all. 80 of these he used to douse himself, allowing him to stay cool (it was in the upper 90's in temp), while those in the pack did not have that luxury.

  9. Re:Champion? by sluke · · Score: 5, Informative

    I don't think this is entirely accurate. From what I can recall, the case against Landis was from two tests. The first showed that his T/E ratio was well outside the normal ratio for humans. Note that this is different from having elevated testosterone, in fact I believe his testosterone was actually lower than normal. It was just that his epiesterone was WAY lower than normal (these are normally about equal, his ratio was 12/1). As far as I remember this test was somewhat discredited due to shoddy procedures at the lab. The one that stuck was an isotope test which showed that the testosterone in his sample had a different isotope ratio than is found in humans. From this they concluded that it was synthetic and thus upheld the ban. I don't claim to entirely agree with all of their methods or even the results of the test, but I really don't think it's fair to say that he crashed, had a surge of adrenaline and subsequently tested positive.

  10. Re:so many are missing the point here by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    I followed it closely at the time, but have forgotten the details by now. I'm sure google would be my friend. However, Landis' main complaint was that the lab results were poorly handled, poorly tracked, and altogether lacking a real chain of ownership to show they were even his samples. Furthermore, IIRC, the surprisingly high results for that day were incompatible with samples taken before and after. The kind of doping they accused him of would have left traces in the blood for some time afterwards, long enough for later tests to have shown something, which they didn't. And the samples they used were the backup samples, because they had lost the primary samples.

    It smelled pretty bad from what I remember. It didn't mean he hadn't done it, but no court would ever have accepted their evidence, and to strip someone of a Tour de France championship because of it was pretty outrageous. IIRC he had also beaten the French favorite and the French have never taken much to foreigners who do that, especially Americans.

    OTOH, I undoubtedly have forgotten a lot of the details, and I just don't care to look them up -- I mainly remember how shoddy their case was, how much it seemed like petty officials running amuck, and especially taking revenge for their gross carelessness and incompetence being shown to the world by some uppity bicycle rider. After all, everyone knows that the true purpose of any bicycle race is the glory of the promoters, not the racers.

  11. Re:so many are missing the point here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    It is true that his defense was based upon the lab mishandling the samples, and claiming that there was no proof that the samples that tested positive were his. It is also true that tests before and after the positive test showed nothing. Nothing from before the positive is unlikely, as steroids tend to work based on continuous use, not a single use. Having nothing from samples after seems impossible. Steroids take a while to go out of the system.

    There was no French favorite. The highest finishing Frenchman was Cyril Dessel, who moved from 7th to 6th after Landis was removed from the results and was still almost 8 minutes behind of the replacement winner, Óscar Pereiro (Spain).

    Landis is no longer appealing the decision, as all of his appeals have been used up. The Court of Arbitration for Sport ruled against him. That's it. Please note that the rules there are different from the U.S. legal system. This case would have never resulted in a conviction based upon reasonable doubt. There was a lot of very reasonable doubt. I'm still not convinced that he did it.