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Two Scoops of Buzz

Lots of Buzz buzz is still running through the internets yet, so here's a bit more of it, just in case you aren't burnt out yet. Google has added a one-button disable option to totally remove the system from Gmail. I'm sure someone there sure wishes that had been on by default. This is partially in response to a class action complaint and follows earlier cleanup efforts as well as an apology for auto-follow. Since there is no Facebook interaction, I still wonder what traction they will get. But maybe this means the end of Twitter.

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  1. Google Buzz? by Mitchell314 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I just ignore the bugger. No need for me to nuke. Unless Google has added really cool special effects.

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  2. End of twitter? not likely... by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Twitter's power is that you dont have to go there to use it or update it. I've got 90,000,000 twitter apps to choose from on EVERY platform. Hell even my home automation gear from crestron has twitter interoperability.

    Twitter has critical mass and support on everything.. Buzz has none of that currently.

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  3. might turn out to have been smart by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While a lot of people are using this fiasco as evidence that Google's a bunch of techies who don't understand users, I can't really believe that it was totally unforseen and accidental. Google made a conscious decision to leverage their existing social graph of webmail users by, as automatically as possible, turning it into an actual social-network graph. If they hadn't done that, Buzz would probably not have jump-started very quickly, but now it has a huge built-in userbase. Even if a bunch of people disable it now, they're probably still way ahead in terms of total users than where they would've been if they had played nice.

    So may turn out they did know what they were doing, at least from a business perspective.

    1. Re:might turn out to have been smart by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While a lot of people are using this fiasco as evidence that Google's a bunch of techies who don't understand users, I can't really believe that it was totally unforseen and accidental.

      At best, I view this as more evidence that Google isn't mature enough to be the 800 Lb gorilla of the Internet.

      At worse, I see this as evidence that Google can be just as much as a monopoly threat as Microsoft was on the PC.

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    2. Re:might turn out to have been smart by Aladrin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, I think it -would- have. Have you seen the clamor for Google invites? Any time a new service comes out, even if it's going to be meh, people go nuts to get invites. Google Wave, for instance... Does anyone actually still use that? It was all the rage when nobody had invites.

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    3. Re:might turn out to have been smart by xirusmom · · Score: 2

      Yes. I do . Google wave is great for writing papers and for collaborative projects.
      Simple enough that you can get projects started quickly with a bunch of people who never used it before.

    4. Re:might turn out to have been smart by DerekLyons · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Indeed. And leveraging Gmail shows they've learned that when critical mass is required, their usual method of using limited invites doesn't work. That, and Google's notoriously short attention span, is what killed Orkut.
       
      Facebook succeeded because they built a critical mass in a target rich environment (college students) and when enough students had graduated to form a critical mass in the 'real world', they opened it up to all comers. Twitter succeeded because it melded the 'pure' version of Facebook (status updates) with the world of text messages.
       
      For Buzz there is no obvious demographic or niche for Google to exploit, but Google has what no other 'startup' social networking site had - an existing massive base of installed users who've already shown a predilection to use their (Google's) services. That they bungled their opening moves in no way invalidates their basic strategy.

  4. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by Mitchell314 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not to mention there's less motivation to go to a new social network when there are existing ones already set up with many people using it. I highly doubt Google can go far here.

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  5. Re:It will be a glorious thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Though I do wonder what Ashton Kutcher will do...

    I'm guessing it would be the same thing he does every night ... fuck Demi Moore.

  6. Re:First! by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How was slashdot going to make money?

    Advertising.

  7. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by jeffmeden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, Google didn't stand a chance against the likes of Hotmail and Yahoo Mail, their spunky little upstart 'gmail' thing took forEVER just to get out of beta! Can't say that anyone was really attracted to it, what with all the established options out there. Who will take it seriously?!!

  8. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by Aladrin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No, Buzz has something better... Interoperability with -every- site out there. If the site has an RSS feed for your updates, you can bring them into Buzz really easily. If it doesn't, the site can choose to integrate more directly with Buzz.

    The only thing I've found lacking in Buzz is the ability to find and follow random people. With twitter, when I'm learning Japanese, I can watch the live twitter global feed and find people posting interesting things in Japanese and follow them. Buzz doesn't have that... Yet.

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  9. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by natehoy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And all Google has to do is create a unique Buzz email address to send updates to (like Facebook has recently done), and you get instant support on any platform capable of sending email.

    When Facebook came out with the unique email address to upload images and update status, I dumped my Blackberry Facebook app and I just use email now. So at this point, switching to Buzz would be a matter of changing the email address my pictures and updates go to.

    This would make new Buzz apps for platforms trivial to implement.

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  10. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not to mention there's less motivation to go to a new social network when there are existing ones already set up with many people using it. I highly doubt Google can go far here.

    Eh thats what people thought with MySpace - but look at Facebook now.

    Google, being the power house that it is, could easily build the apps and operability that Twitter has. Except for ONE snag:

    I think the biggest thing holding it back will be its competitors. Given that Google has broken into the Smartphone market with the Droid and all that - I doubt Apple is going to approve any apps that let you update your Buzz.

    You can make Buzz a billion times better than twitter and implement new features, but if the iPhone holds a reasonable market share, and the iPhone doesn't let you update it, it's not likely to take off.

    Inversely - if somehow this DOES become more popular, an odd occurence I couldn't see happening, iPhone sales could drop unless they allow an App for Buzz.

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  12. End of Twitter? I don't think SO by viraltus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    it's 140 characters limit is great to avoid loads of bullshit. One of the greatest things of twitter is precisely that; it forces you to go to the point.

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    1. Re:End of Twitter? I don't think SO by jadin · · Score: 2, Funny

      it's 140 characters limit is great to avoid loads of bullshit. One of the greatest things of twitter is precisely that; it forces you to go

    2. Re:End of Twitter? I don't think SO by lochnessie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      from most of the tweets I've seen, 140 characters is plenty of room for bullshit.

  13. Still not quite sure why twitter is necessary by jollyreaper · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What exactly is twitter doing that couldn't be done with existing blogging sites that have email updates? Nothing says you have to write 2k words on your blog post, you could write 120 characters on any blogging site and do the same thing.

    I do like the idea of pushing towards more open standards. Email is a standard everyone can agree with, everyone can interoperate with. I can send mail from my phone to someone on a mac or a pc or linux. I can swap out clients if I find one I like more. I do like the idea of transitioning these sorts of services to protocols and then you're selecting the provider you want based on how that protocol is implemented.

    I see value in what Facebook does even though I dislike the way it's implemented, similar to the way I like what Exchange/Outlook is trying to do while hating everything about the way it's actually done.

    There's been talk about trying to open up the silos represented by these applications. You have your data in twitter, you have your data in facebook, you have your data in google, and there's lots of duplication across each. Facebook will talk to google to import your data but that's a bit clunky and is still just putting your stuff in another silo. I like the idea of more interoperability but am also concerned about the potential for holes. I don't mind if my facebook gets hacked because there's nothing important on there, nothing personal or embarrassing. I don't put anything there I wouldn't mind seeing on the front page of the new york times. But if facebook had tight access to my gmail, suddenly a hole in facebook could become a hole in gmail. Not so good.

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  14. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by Machtyn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've seen this facebook group that states they are a group of people who are going to drop Facebook once it starts charging $2.95 per month to use it. I don't know if there is anything to this, but if Fb starts to charge for use, then Buzz will have all sorts of traction.

  15. Re:things holding back buzz by msbmsb · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not 'closed' in that sense. Closed as in finite (in comparison to the other services where anyone with any email address can use). To be able to use buzz, one needs to sign up for another email account, something not many people will do easily.

  16. The privacy problem by wiredog · · Score: 2, Informative

    Was why I didn't use Buzz. Made sure it was disabled as soon as I could. I don't want some spheres of my life intersecting.

    An example of what can go wrong, and generate big lawsuits in the process of failing.

    I use my private Gmail account to email my boyfriend and my mother.

    There's a BIG drop-off between them and my other "most frequent" contacts.

    You know who my third most frequent contact is?

    My abusive ex-husband.

    Which is why it's SO EXCITING, Google, that you AUTOMATICALLY allowed all my most frequent contacts access to my Reader, including all the comments I've made on Reader items, usually shared with my boyfriend, who I had NO REASON to hide my current location or workplace from, and never did.

  17. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by Idiomatick · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Facebook HAS decimated Myspace though..... sooooo

  18. Re:First! by AshtangiMan · · Score: 3, Funny

    Volume.

  19. Re:Aardvark by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Informative
    I don't have any problem with Buzz showing up. I run the 'older version' of Gmail...

    If you are on the newest version, just scroll to the bottom of the screen and click older version. This is not the HTML only version, but the one just before the new interface upgrade. I find it responsive, less cluttered...and no buzz.

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  20. Re:Does anybody know what EXACTLY was leaked? by dfxm · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you had your Google Profile set up to be public, then people could find the information that is in the Google Profile. Buzz just gave people a link directly to your Google Profile, more or less. What it all comes down to: if you don't want the public to know something, don't post it in a public profile.

  21. Re:First! by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Funny

    Odd, I turned my stereo all the way up but I'm still broke.

  22. Re:End of twitter? not likely... by DerekLyons · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Google, being the power house that it is, could easily build the apps and operability that Twitter has. Except for ONE snag:

    Google's notoriously short attention span.

  23. Buzz by email by DragonWriter · · Score: 2, Informative

    And all Google has to do is create a unique Buzz email address to send updates to (like Facebook has recently done), and you get instant support on any platform capable of sending email.

    You can post Buzz by email to buzz@gmail.com from your gmail account. So as long as your gmail account is setup in your mail client, this is in place now.

  24. Google Buzz + Google Reader by thetartanavenger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why oh why must they force the integration of Google Buzz and Google Reader? I use google reader every day, often share things with various contacts, and read things that have been shared with me. It was awesome. Then Google Buzz came along and forced integration of the two. I don't want Google Buzz but if I go ahead and remove it, it'll remove the sharing abilities I had within Google Reader. I understand the possible benefit of having the two connected, by choice, but without choice Google is simply screwing up one of their actually decent products!

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