Two Chinese Schools Reportedly Tied To Online Attacks

squidw* writes "Online attacks on Google and other American corporations have been traced to computers at two educational institutions in China, including one with close ties to the Chinese military, say people involved in the investigation. From the NY Times: '... the attacks, aimed at stealing trade secrets and computer codes and capturing e-mail of Chinese human rights activists, may have begun as early as April, months earlier than previously believed. ... The Chinese schools involved are Shanghai Jiaotong University and the Lanxiang Vocational School, according to several people with knowledge of the investigation who asked for anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the inquiry. Jiaotong has one of China’s top computer science programs. Just a few weeks ago its students won an international computer programming competition organized by IBM — the “Battle of the Brains” — beating out Stanford and other top-flight universities. Lanxiang, in east China’s Shandong Province, is a huge vocational school that was established with military support and trains some computer scientists for the military.'"

Comments

Hum.

[bbqsrc]

I'd like to say I'm shocked by the previous 4 moronic comments, but this is slashdot, so I am not. So they confirm where the attacks came from, where does it go from there? Banning the IP range of those schools from Google services? I somehow doubt they'll find a way to directly pin this on the Chinese government, regardless of if they did it or not.

Re:Hum.

[mjwalshe]

so the USA recognises Taiwan and removes most favored status for China, Dont forget China needs its external markets as much if not more than the USA needs China to buy the USA's gilts.

Yeah. So what?

[Anonymous Coward]

Seriously, so what? China is in a cold war with the west. Sadly, the west has not woke up to this. This is just one more of their approaches. And to be honest, it is SMART on their part. The west is working hard to avoid another cold war, but we are in it and losing it. If China was a democracy, then it would be different. However, you will note that all of the nations that are not full democracies are coming together, and they are winning.

Re:Act Of War

[Anonymous Coward]

You do realize that by those standards of treating industrial/state espionage as an act of war you should also be including countries like france, germany, israel, russia, south africa and so on? Not to mention the dozens and dozens of countries the US regularly performs hostile intelligence operations on? So you're really hoping for WWIII? Welcome to the real world, kid.

Re:Act Of War

[Jon Abbott]

I would like to know what the U.S. contingency plan is for war with China. Look at almost any product in the U.S. today, and it is from China. If we declare war with them, do we suddenly have no more imported goods? This is not a scenario that I like to ponder.

Then boycott Apple, Dell, HP, Seagate

[Anonymous Coward]

and other american companies. Buy Nokia, Fujitsu.

The racist 1940s

[commodore64_love]

>>>"Beware of the yellow peril! Be a patriotic American ...!"

+1 funny. (dark humor)

People who admire FDR always forget this part of his presidency, where he locked-up American citizens and deprived them of their rights to property, trial by jury, free speech, and so on. Why? Simply because these Americans looked like asians. - In many respects FDR was our worst president. I know that's an unpopular view, nevertheless that's what I think.

I hope IF we have another war with the Asian continent (i.e. China) that we do a better job of obeying the Constitution instead of ignoring it.

Re:The racist 1940s

[littlewink]

Chinese immigrants to the USA are far less patriotic (to the USA) than were Japanese immigrants to the USA during WWII. In fact, somewhere between one-third and one-half of Chinese immigrants are already spying/aiding for the Chinese mainland in some way. Ask any sample of Chinese immigrants to the USA about where their loyalties lie. At the very best they are ambivalent.

In a war with China the USA would have serious problems with its internal Chinese population. The lessons of the unjust Japanese imprisonment in WWII would not apply. We would be forced to imprison the Chinese. That would not be a racist act but a reasonable and necessary one.

You have made the mistake of comparing two situations that appear to be similar but that are in fact quite different.

Re:The racist 1940s

[Anonymous Coward]

In fact, somewhere between one-third and one-half of Chinese immigrants are already spying/aiding for the Chinese mainland in some way.

Can you provide a better source for this claim than the dark spot between your buttocks?

Didn't think so.

Re:The racist 1940s

[Opportunist]

I hope IF we have another war with the Asian continent (i.e. China) that we do a better job of obeying the Constitution instead of ignoring it.

You mean as well as the constitution is upheld in the war already being waged on the Asian continent, in respect of imprisoning people the US deem "terrorists"? Most likely we're going to see more loopholes used, akin to "if it's not on US soil, it doesn't matter to the Constitution...".

Re:The racist 1940s

[Mashiki]

You're saying this like this was a bad thing. We did the same thing in Canada. As a 1st generation descendant of German/Japanese parents let me just say. Given the opportunity at the time, plenty would have been happy to follow the orders of the fatherland and/or the god-emperor to do whatever it takes to kill you from within.

Re:The racist 1940s

[Anonymous Coward]

What are you talking about? Everyone knows that whites can't be the victims of racism. Their vast majority of 1.5 billion people (out of 6.7 billion) clearly makes them responsible for all racism and racist behavior.

Re:The racist 1940s

[theaveng]

"To consider the justices as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions is a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy."

"Our justices are as honest as other men and not more so. They have with others the same passions for party, for power, and the privilege of their corps. Their maxim is boni judicis est ampliare jurisdictionem [good justice is broad jurisdiction], and their power the more dangerous as they are in office for life and not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective control. The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots." Thomas Jefferson to William C. Jarvis, 1820. ME 15:277

In other words - no the opinion of 9 unelected men does NOT supersede the Law. The Constitution rises above the U.S. government, and the justices are part of that government, therefore while their opinion may have been followed in 1944, as of today the Constitutional Law still reigns supreme over the justices. We are a Republic, not an Oligarchy of 9 old men.

Also Remember: White/colored Segregation was upheld by the Supreme Court in through most of the 1800s and 1900s.
They were wrong then too.

Re:this attack finally convinced me

[DeltaQH]

But don't boycott Taiwan (Repuplic of China)

That isn't the question at all

[Colin Smith]

The question is, who do you get to buy your debts?

 

Re:Act Of War

[Culture20]

Simple. You'll buy products from American corporations. Double benefit: on one hand, you rescue American companies out of the economic depression and on the other hand, you make Chinese companies lose.

Where are the factories? Where are the means of production? Where are the steel mills? The U.S. has a lot of rebuilding to do.