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"Immortal Molecule" Evolves — How Close To Synthetic Life?

An anonymous reader writes with word of ongoing work at Scripps Research Institute: "Can life arise from nothing but a chaotic assortment of basic molecules? The answer is a lot closer following a series of ingenious experiments that have shown evolution at work in non-living molecules."

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  1. what is a living molecule? by meow27 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "evolution at work in non-living molecules."

    molecules can live?

    ok just making sure :)

    1. Re:what is a living molecule? by John+Hasler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > molecules can live?

      You are molecules. Do you live?

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    2. Re:what is a living molecule? by headkase · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There is no "life", there is only cohesiveness over time. The magical attribute called "alive" does not actually exist anywhere in our Universe ;) We just don't happen to fall apart for a while while we compute.

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    3. Re:what is a living molecule? by cyborg_zx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Composition fallacy: the properties of the whole are the same as its parts.

      Example: a watch can keep time therefore a cog can keep time.

    4. Re:what is a living molecule? by biryokumaru · · Score: 5, Informative

      In biology, life is defined as have the following characteristics:

      • Homeostasis
      • Organization
      • Metabolism
      • Growth
      • Adaptation
      • Response to Stimuli
      • Reproduction

      Having these characteristics defines something as being "alive." See, not magic.

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    5. Re:what is a living molecule? by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except for the metabolism bit which viruses also lack.

      At the C2 wiki a mad debate once broke out[1] about the definition of "life". What I've come to conclude based on my participation is the borderline is probably inherently fuzzy. Some things are "half alive". It's not a Boolean concept but rather a continuum, or at least many variables that we as humans have conveniently, and perhaps naively, packaged together into the mental concept called "life".

      [1] I was about to say "lively debate"

    6. Re:what is a living molecule? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Are these listed items AND'd together or OR'd?

      Yes.

    7. Re:what is a living molecule? by MrNaz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He did also say "while we compute". None the less I actually agree with your point; it is obvious that you have the equivalent amount of computing power as the average iceberg.

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  2. Evolution is a Process. by headkase · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Evolution is a process, it applies equally well to many substrates. Organic molecules are one of the classes and many other phenomena can be described in evolutionary terms. If you go to an extreme you can say the all structures in our Universe are evolved with the loosest definition of Evolution as: "Change over time."

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  3. Computational Beauty of Nature by headkase · · Score: 4, Informative

    What biologists tend to pidgeon-hole as "life" is a sub-set of the wider computational process' in our Universe. How do we get from obviously non-living molecules up to these wonderful structures we call people who morally appreciate beauty? Well, it's all compuation and the devil is in the details: see Figure 1 of The Computational Beauty of Nature. The book both begins and ends with that figure - to reinforce the relationships in the deepest depths of our Universe. The philosophy when scaled up to our noble and good level of reality works smoothly the entire way. Recognition that the Universe, Biology, and Evolution are all Computational is just taking time to work it's way through the teaching material.

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  4. Re:Interesting route... by wizardforce · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Membranes self assemble. See micelles.

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  5. No by rrohbeck · · Score: 4, Funny

    It can't be true since God didn't make it. Obviously :)

  6. only one step of a great many by rritterson · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those current in the field, this discovery is not surprising. Several people have created synthetic ribozymes already, most doing some trivial and superfluous task. It was only a matter of time until someone created a self-replicating ribozyme. Yet, they do serve as basic evidence that the RNA-world hypothesis may be correct.

    However, a soup of replicating molecules is still a far cry from life, and, indeed, there are many more complicated features of life as we know it, even at the most basic level, for which there is no creation hypothesis. We know that membranes can self-assemble into micelles, and one key component of all life is a membrane layer to separate the living environment from the surroundings. However, if, by chance, a micelle happened to self-assemble around a ribozyme, how does the ribozyme continue to function, now that it has no ready source of diffusing ribonucleotides (the building block of RNA)?

    Second, how did the first micelles replicate? Did they simply continue to grow as more membrane molecules spontaneously add to them until they broke apart into two? Perhaps life arose in some sort of thermally-cycling environment and the micelles broke apart at high temperture, releasing the contents, and then reformed again, with new randomized contents when the temperature cooled.

    Third, how did we transition from RNA contents with lipid membranes into the vastly richer information of the amino acid world? Is there a reductionist "alphabet" for amino acids that may have served as the starting point, from which the extra amino acids were added slowly. Is our alphabet 'optimal' (virtually all life uses the same 20-acid alphabet, which minor variations of 1 or 2 in extreme organisms)? Or perhaps the alphabet only evolved once, and thus had no competition and could be completely far from optimal.

    As you can see, there are a number of interesting questions to be explored. We have, however, gone from not knowing how the basic components of cells (proteins, DNA, lipids) functioned, to knowing that DNA encodes the 'heritable' information, to its structure, to the Miller-Urey experiment, and now on to knowing immense details about the complicated protein functional networks within cells, and between cells as well creating synthetic molecules that can evolve via natural selection, all in the span of just more than a century. It's going to be extremely fun to see what we know by the end of the 21st century. Right now we feel like we know all of the basics and just have to work on the hard stuff. I will bet dollars to donuts that we have a lot to learn, and, by 2100, several discoveries will have been made that future people will wonder how we ever thought we knew anything without.

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  7. God who is not God. by headkase · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The older I get the more I wonder about the relationships in our Universe. Now, it may just be cognitive cob-webs but who is to actually say that God is not waiting for us beyond the last theorem? Physics is not complete yet so isn't it hubris to proclaim that there is no God without a complete understanding of where our Universe came from? I am finding it more difficult to remain an atheist to the point that I have become an igtheist as I have gained more life experience. Just because most of what the world pushes on you as the concept of "God" is complete crap does not mean that "God" does not exist. The definition is where the meat lies. Perhaps someday physics will be complete assuming the incompletness theorem doesn't prevent that and we will know for sure. Until then, don't be so cock-eyed and smug in your "logical" denial.

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  8. Re:not as close as this first post by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

    please evolve

  9. Here is some more info by telomerewhythere · · Score: 5, Informative

    I found this looking for more information. A good primer of what they are doing. Joyce Lab News 1