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Why You Can't Pry IE6 Out of Their Cold, Dead Hands

Esther Schindler writes "It's easy for techies to enumerate the reasons that Internet Explorer 6 should die. Although the percentage of users who use IE6 has dropped to about 12%, many web developers are forced to make sure their websites work with the ancient browser (which presents additional problems, such as keeping their companies from upgrading to newer versions of Windows). But rather than indulge in an emotional rant, in 'Why You Can't Pry IE6 Out Of Their Cold Dead Hands,' I set about to find out why the companies that remain standardized on IE6 haven't upgraded (never mind to what). In short: user and business-owner ignorance and/or disinterest in new technology; being stuck with a critical business app that relies on IE6; finding a budget to update internal IE6 apps that will work the same as they used to; and keeping users away from newer Web 2.0 sites."

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  1. This is news? by symbolset · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not a secret that lock-in was why IIS and IE were designed to complement each other. The objective was to kill Netscape and Java by any means necessary. Active-X was a tool to this end.

    And now we see the same tools who bought these chains exchanging them for IE8 and Sharepoint when they can. Because that won't be hard to get rid of.

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    1. Re:This is news? by Chris+Lawrence · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What I want to know is, will the managers or admins who chose solutions that locked them into an obsolete browser will be fired? Subordinating your business interests to the business interests of your vendor seems like a pretty stupid move, and one that should have consequences.

    2. Re:This is news? by rcw-home · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Back when it was introduced, ActiveX had no legitimate competitors.

      Yes it did; the native Win32 app. IMHO most of the ActiveX-reliant applications of that day would have been better off written that way anyway. It would have been more portable because it never would have tied them to any particular browser version, and it would have been more usable, too.

    3. Re:This is news? by Angostura · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No - because the current server/client combination works just fine thank you - as far as they are concerned. That's one of the points made in the article.

    4. Re:This is news? by Chris+Lawrence · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, it's just fine, unless you want to move to a different server OS, or a different client OS, or a even a newer version of the *same* client OS. In other words, you've completely removed the ability for IT to make any strategic or tactical decisions. All of these problems could have been avoided with a cross-platform solution, either open source or proprietary. These alternatives did exist, and some companies used them and avoided such lock-in.

    5. Re:This is news? by vtcodger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ***What I want to know is, will the managers or admins who chose solutions that locked them into an obsolete browser will be fired?***

      I would imagine that in many cases, their question would be why YOU are still employed. They have computers. The computers do what is needed. They perceive that the IT industry -- much like American car manufacturers in the 1970s -- is creating expensive and poorly crafted junk that is little, if any, better than what they have. Change for the sake of change.

      And they might be right. Refusal to engage in a Red Queen's Race (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Queen's_race) is not necessarily a sign of cluelessness. You might want to meditate during leisure moments about who here is actually clueless.

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    6. Re:This is news? by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      unless you want to move to a different server OS, or a different client OS, or a even a newer version of the *same* client OS.

      They do not want to move to a different server OS, or client OS, or a newer version of the same client OS. That's the whole point.

      You should really try working for a business that needs to actually, you know, turn a profit instead of upgrading to every shiny new system as they come out.

      What an IT manager wants and what is practical is often not the same thing, and a good IT manager will develop the trust needed to steer the company toward the products and upgrades they truly need. Unfortunately, a lot of companies don't bother to hire good IT managers, often outsourcing it to people who could care less, and you get stuck in situations where a company spent $10 million on a web app that only works in IE6 a year before IE7 was released. You can bet your ass that company is going to want to get more than a few years out of their $10 million investment. Ergo, no upgrade.

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    7. Re:This is news? by Chris+Lawrence · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If they really don't want to change often, and use things for a very long time, then choosing proprietary software is probably the worst choice. What do you do when support is dropped and you have a critical bug or security hole? In that case, open source is a much better option, since you can run it forever, and if you absolutely need to fix something you can.

    8. Re:This is news? by aztracker1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Java was an incredibly poor performing option on the computers in the 1998-2001 timeframe though. ActiveX allowed for windows natively executing code within the browser. Though a poor solution for the most part, especially compared to native apps, since ax needed to be registered/installed anyhow. Java wasn't performant enough, and Flash wasn't yet a viable option. On release IE6 was the best browser available. That's changed, and not been the case for several years now, but I think people look back a decade ago with some skewed perspectives.

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  2. Misleading but Common by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Although the percentage of users who use IE6 has dropped to about 12%, many web developers are forced to make sure their websites work with the ancient browser

    No, they are not. They might want to, but they're not FORCED to do this. This means they are part of the problem, because if IE6 didn't work with most sites it would provide another reason to make the free upgrade.

  3. Nah.. still all comes down to "idiocy" by oneandoneis2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sorry, but having RTFA, I still can come back to just one reason for still using IE6: Ignorance.

    Okay, so there's companies that have IE6-only apps. That's no reason to not upgrade: Nobody forces you to have only one browser. Even if you don't want to have IE6 and Firefox, you can have two versions of IE itself installed. You can set up the hideously-insecure IE6 to only be able to access the company intranet where you need it, and use IE7 or 8 for the rest of the world where having a more-modern, more-secure browser is useful.

    Multiple versions of IE can be done courtesy of here or here

    Old hardware can run Firefox just fine - I used Portable Firefox for years when I was working for an IE-only company. You don't have to use the browser your company installs on your machine if you don't want to.

    And as for IE6 keeping people away from sites like YouTube.. I'm not even going to dignify that with a refutation. Anyone who wants to get around that problem could do so without the slightest difficulty in the space of about ten minutes. This sounds more like a fairy story from the IT depertments to clueless PHB's: "Don't worry, boss, we don't need to block YouTube, it doesn't work with our browser. Not get out of my cubicle so I can watch the latest Foamy the Squirrel video, wouldya?"

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    So.. it has come to this
  4. IE6 still exists because Microsoft wanted it too by Cassini2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft designed IE6 with all sorts of cool interfaces for corporate developers. They then unleashed a wave of evangelists to encourage people to exploit those non-standard extensions, and encourage them to exploit the non-standard quirks. It was a deliberate strategy to gain and hold market share.

    It worked. IE6 is unstoppable, even by Microsoft.

  5. Why expect companies to "upgrade"? by Animats · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why should businesses keep "upgrading"? Really, Microsoft's OS hasn't changed much in the last decade. Almost everything runs under Windows 2000. Even ".NET" and Direct-X applications tend to work, and all the major open-source applications do. Why pay Microsoft more money? Most of this "upgrading" is planned obsolescence, not progress.

    It was different in the 1990s. In the 1990s, Microsoft went from Windows 3.0/DOS, which was awful, to Windows 2000, which was a good OS. Desktop computing made great strides in the 1990s. But by 2000, the problems were solved. In Windows 2000, networking worked, 3D graphics worked, and the system was stable after the first service packs. For most businesses, that was good enough.

    In the last decade, Microsoft went through Windows 2000, XP (which was really to pull the Win 95/98/ME crowd onto a decent platform), Vista (enough said), and now Windows 7 (the new, improved Vista.) At the end of this, we have an OS which offers essentially the same API as ten years ago. Not much has really changed.

    Most commercial and open source applications work on Windows 2000, and almost all work on Windows XP. Load up the latest Firefox, and all the "Web 2.0" stuff works on Windows 2000. If you don't get too cute with tricky HTML and Javascript, the same code works on IE6 and later browsers.

    Worse, Microsoft's newer OSs are oinkers. They need more CPU and more RAM to do the same thing. They phone home to Redmond constantly. They have activation problems. They're constantly getting updates, some of which make things worse. Why should companies pay for this? Where's the return on investment?

  6. Must be compatible with IE6 by Geoff-with-a-G · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, they are not. They might want to, but they're not FORCED to do this.

    Yes, they are. If you work for a company with more than 10,000 employees (as I do), and if the company's standard browser (deployed and supported by Desktop services) is IE6 (as it is with us), and they pay you to develop a new internal web application (to go along with the 20 others that are already in use and designed for IE6 only) - well... you make it work with IE6 or you find a new job.

  7. Re:Chained to IE6 by houstonbofh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The purpose of IT is not to have the latest shiny. The purpose of IT is to support the business. If the business needs a software application that only works in IE6, than you support it. Or you tell your boss that he has to upgrade, and spend a few days playing xbox while you look for a job.