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ACTA Internet Chapter Leaked — Bad For Everyone

roju writes "Cory Doctorow is reporting on a leaked copy of the 'internet enforcement' portion of the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement. He describes it as reading like a 'DMCA-plus' with provisions for third-party liability, digital locks, and 'a duty to technology firms to shut down infringement where they have "actual knowledge" that such is taking place.' For example, this could mean legal responsibility shifting to Apple for customers copying mp3s onto their iPods." Adds an anonymous reader, "Michael Geist points out that the leaks demonstrate that ACTA would create a Global DMCA and move toward a three-strikes-and-you're-out system. While the US has claimed that ACTA won't establish a mandatory three strikes system, it specifically uses three-strikes as its model."

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  1. This is a MUCH bigger threat than terrorism. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a much bigger threat to freedom and democracy than terrorism ever could be.

    1. Re:This is a MUCH bigger threat than terrorism. by clang_jangle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indeed. Surely some people must be thinking it's getting to close to time to create some drones of our own to take out the corporatocracy. Not me of course, but "some people".

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    2. Re:This is a MUCH bigger threat than terrorism. by causality · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is a much bigger threat to freedom and democracy than terrorism ever could be.

      I wish I could attribute the saying, but here is how I've heard it said: If your law requires a police state to enforce, then your law is a bad law.

      The very fact that these meetings were held in secret was a dead giveaway that nothing in our interests is going on in there.

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    3. Re:This is a MUCH bigger threat than terrorism. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Friend, it ain't done until corporations are no longer entities with rights superior to those of human citizens. And it probably will take a real, old-fashioned insurgency such as our forefathers performed.

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    4. Re:This is a MUCH bigger threat than terrorism. by Ltap · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just remember - Captain Obvious is never a villain. So, no matter how often he shows up, he always helps.

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    5. Re:This is a MUCH bigger threat than terrorism. by Tuoqui · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You'd be able to help out best by joining your local Pirate Party.

      Pirate Party Canada
      Pirate Party International - Find your own country's here.

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    6. Re:This is a MUCH bigger threat than terrorism. by GaryPatterson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why would you feel safe? The terrorists have already caused your country to cower in fear, installing detectors at airports, ramping up people's paranoia and generally screwing you over.

      On top of that, you've spent hundreds of billions on wars, one to hit back at them, the other being an unrelated military adventure.

      They won years ago. Few people have been killed, but your country is terrified of them and acts accordingly.

    7. Re:This is a MUCH bigger threat than terrorism. by FiloEleven · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I am an adult. I can be responsible for my own interests. I recognize that what I want is not always what is best for me, and I act on that recognition through self-control. When I fail, I accept the responsibility.

      Any group of men who thinks they know my interests better than I do can speak with me and try to convince me that this is so, but it is I who makes the final decision. Provisions decided in secret without public knowledge or consent will result in nothing but more lawlessness. Anyone who approves this agreement clearly shows that he does not represent me.

    8. Re:This is a MUCH bigger threat than terrorism. by nebaz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Are you sure? They passed the DMCA, without much fanfare.

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    9. Re:This is a MUCH bigger threat than terrorism. by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Thank you. And for those that labeled me a troll? Come out to middle America and see for yourself. our towns are nothing but corpses. Walled up store fronts, half the houses are abandoned, folks living out of their cars, whole towns just walked away from. Just in the two mile daily walk around my town I passed boarded up building after boarded up building, tons of for rent and for sale signs that have sat so long they have faded, the only reason my home town isn't completely dead is because it has a college. Those towns nearby that don't have a college? look like something out of an "after the apocalypse" movie.

      It is actually pretty simple folks. You can't pay for two wars and bailouts of thieving bankers without taxes, and kind of hard to tax the unemployed. If the fed were to release REAL numbers, instead of their bullshit numbers where they drop all those whose benefits ran out, or who gave up because there simply isn't any work to be had, we would probably be looking at close to 30% unemployment and rising. They can talk about their "positive" indicators all they want, the jobs aren't coming back, they've been offshored to places were they can poison the workers into an early grave and dump toxins out the back door.

      From driving through middle America and seeing the vast wastelands I personally think we are gonna have a depression that makes the 30s look like a joke. And I don't think it will go nearly as meekly, do you? We are a hell of a lot more mean than they were back then, and a hell of a lot better armed. We'll see how nasty things will get when it takes a basket of money to buy bread, with the way they are printing money at the fed probably won't be too long. China will only put up with buying our worthless dollars for so long before they just switch to the Euro and say fuck us. When that happens it is gonna get nasty folks, you mark my words.

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  2. Tyranny vs Liberty by Afforess · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A Man much wiser than me once said "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. "

    Which is true today?

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    1. Re:Tyranny vs Liberty by geminidomino · · Score: 4, Insightful

      An equally wise American once said "..and that government: of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

      And? One would have to be a deity of disingenuous rhetoric to make a case that there is anything "by" or "for the people" about the contemporary government system. It's been gamed, expertly so, and the only ones who could fix it are those who benefit from it.

      You'd better start to love it, because ACTA and more like it are going to happen, and there's not a damned thing anyone can do about it.

      Cue naive, high-school idealists who blame the voters and/or claim that voting could stop it.

    2. Re:Tyranny vs Liberty by BradleyUffner · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Which is true today?

      People can't be scared of things they aren't aware of. Most people aren't aware of much the government is doing these days.
      Governments passing laws to control people so much seems to indicate that the government is scared of the people and is trying to regain control.
      Oddly enough it seems we are in the situation of government fearing the people more that the people fearing the government. So that means... We have Liberty?

    3. Re:Tyranny vs Liberty by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The much wiser man was a complete moron then.

      When government fears the people there is a ineffectual weak populist government that fears making difficult decisions because people collectively are pretty damn stupid. Alas that isn't catchy and doesn't use a clever mechanic of opposites, but alas, reality can't always be handled in a pithy statement.

      Government should respect the people, earn their trust, and work as their loyal servants. Neither side should fear the other.

    4. Re:Tyranny vs Liberty by the_humeister · · Score: 5, Funny

      A Man much wiser than me once said "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. "

        Which is true today?

      Depends where you are. In Somalia, it would seem that the government (and everyone else) does indeed fear the people.

    5. Re:Tyranny vs Liberty by zach_the_lizard · · Score: 4, Insightful

      An equally wise American once said "..and that government: of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."

      Unless you want to leave his government, then he is all for jailing you without trial and suspending habeas corpus. He is also cool with using total war in order to invade one section of the country, burning down such cities as Atlanta and devastating the region. He also brought about the income tax, which was at the time unconstitutional (like much of what he did). Sure, he freed a terribly oppressed group of people, but he used another form of slavery (conscription) to achieve it.

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    6. Re:Tyranny vs Liberty by zach_the_lizard · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not that I agree with your parent, but just because a man is famous and revered does not mean that he was infallible. Many wise men have made mistakes throughout history; Jefferson is one of them (ever hear of the embargo he put in place? That was one of them. Let's not get started on him and slavery)

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  3. Why isn't China a Partner? by BlueBoxSW.com · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Seriously. You want all the world to abide by an anti-piracy measure and don't include the biggest pirate on the planet?

    1. Re:Why isn't China a Partner? by TheNarrator · · Score: 4, Informative

      Because the Chinese don't think Europe and the Anglo-Americans run the world. Seriously, whenever you hear the word "global" or "international" that really means Europe (Specifically the EU leaders), the Anglo Countries (spearheaded by British and American think tanks), any third world countries they can bribe or intimidate into going along with them and NOT China or Russia (and occasionally Brazil and India will opt out too).

    2. Re:Why isn't China a Partner? by oldhack · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's a sad, sad world where we have to rely on China and Russia to "protect" our freedom.

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  4. been accused counts as a strike = easy DOS by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    been accused counts as a strike = easy DOS

    Do like what you market competition is doing just a accused them and watch how they can't do any work any more then they get shut off.

    some get's layed off then to get back they just accused them.

    You make your own art / music and you trun down a deal and they just trun around and accused you

    You give a bad review of a moive / game / any other thing and they just accused you and shut down your web site.

    You say that x is doing a bad job and he shuts you down.

    This like a red light cameras with no court that goes off on yellow and goes off right before you hit the stop line.

    1. Re:been accused counts as a strike = easy DOS by Hurricane78 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How about aquiring a list of those who created ACTA, and accusing them all of whatever.

      But I think a new virus would be better. One that targets ACTA creators and their friends, and has a child porn payload. Then it automatically triggers a call to the cops. ^^

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  5. Re:This is absurd by causality · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a whole, does anybody really think the DMCA was beneficial to the economy?

    It was incredibly good for the economy, if by "economy" you mean "campaign funds."

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  6. Treason, and terrorism by syousef · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Can't think of anything that fits with the definition of treason better than a system that passes laws that the citizens aren't permitted to know. That immediately removes the incentive for being law abiding since you can't know if you're breaking the law. Anyone enacting or enforcing such laws should be covered by treason laws.

    Can't think of anything more terrifying than threatening to take away a person's ability to communicate, possibly their livelihood without having to PROOVE a crime in court. Enacting such laws is the very definition of terrorism. Where's the anti-terrorism legislation now?

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  7. Doesn't matter by einhverfr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The fact is that each of us probably commits three felonies a day as it is, or so says Harvey Silverglate of the EFF, ACLU, and FIRE (see his book "Three Felonies a Day.") Heck, it's probably a felony (under wire fraud statutes) to surf Slashdot while you are at work. And given that it's a felony there, it's probably also a felony under the CFAA. So if you surf Slashdot at work, you are already two thirds of the way there.....

    The fact is it doesn't matter if you have done anything wrong. The current state is that the government can prosecute just about anybody on vague laws and make it extremely difficult to fight (try hiring a lawyer will all your assets frozen).

    I am of the opinion that the Constitution is in shambles anyway. I oppose this treaty but I am too cynical to think that will make a difference. Prosecutors can ALREADY go after anybody they want to.

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    1. Re:Doesn't matter by Ltap · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I hate to be the person to Godwin this, but it is reminiscent of the regret of German intellectuals. They were intelligent, educated people who could have swayed the German public early in Hitler's rise but were too apathetic to do so, convinced that they would be left alone as long as they toed the line.

      Which is ultimately the perfected method for slowly eroding liberties - to at first use it on "criminals" (catching more people who break existing laws), then creating new laws to support it, then revising it to suit the new laws... continue ad nauseum until you end up with a legal system in shambles that has been filled to over-capacity and can punish anyone just for living their daily life, if it so chooses. This is by far the most sneaky way of governments dealing with political dissidents - either find them committing a crime, frame them for a crime, or turn what they do into a crime to make it easier to lock them away. Then they have a pretext, an excuse to get rid of them without it being too obvious.

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  8. Disproportionate punishment by mudshark · · Score: 5, Interesting

    People have been using the postal service to commit fraud for decades, but even repeat offenders are not banned from sending or receiving mail. And when was the last time you heard of someone getting kicked off the telephone network? Just because the medium has evolved, the right of people to have access to common means of communication does not change.

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  9. Not sure it's even good for them. by einhverfr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here is the letter I sent via regulations.gov:

    BTW, here was my comment submitted to the USTR regarding the treaty.

    RE: 2010 Special 301 Review
    Docket Number USTR-2010-0003

    Jennifer Choe Groves
    Senior Director for Intellectual Property and
    Innovation and Chair of the Special 301 Committee
    Office of the United States Trade Representative
    600 17th Street NW
    Washington, DC 20508
    Filed electronically via Regulations.gov

    Dear Ms. Groves:

    I am a software engineer and developer here in the US. I own copyrights to a number of software programs and published papers, some jointly with corporations or other natural persons. I have also authored two ebooks which are distributed online and one printed book which is available through major retailers. Software I produce is distributed world-wide.

    I am deeply concerned about the rush towards greater liability for neutral service providers where copyright infringement is alleged. Holders of copyrights (including myself) should not be able to make end-runs around our traditional system of legal protections by threatening third parties into shutting off services which may be vital for conducting lawful business. This is especially dangerous where very fact-centric elements of copyright and trademark infringement accusations may need to be adjudicated by courts. These cases can occur where questions of fair use or derivation occur.

    Thus I am concerned that the rush towards greater protection and greater third party liability will become a sword of Damocles hanging not only over the head of the average citizen but most especially over the head of the copyright holder. After all, if a set of mere accusations is enough to insist that material be taken down or internet access denied, then those who produce copyright-worthy materials will be the most exposed.

    Instead, balance is needed, and consumer protections must be a major part of the equation. These consumer protections don't just protect consumers against rights-holders. They protect rights holders against unfair competition, and they protect innovators against entrenched market interests.

    Instead of dictating how foreign countries should make laws ensuring elements well outside the traditional boundaries of copyright law (circumvention device control, etc), we should instead be interested in looking at ways to make claims more easily adjudicated when they come up. The emphasis on third-party liability is a major step backwards.

    Please reconsider.

    Sincerely,
    Chris Travers

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    1. Re:Not sure it's even good for them. by fucket · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Did you include a check?

  10. Re:This is absurd by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's a matter of national security. As the American manufacturing sector withers away and we become a service economy, our creative content* will remain our largest export, and we have to protect our country's cash cows. I'm not joking.

    * Of course, I don't agree with bullshit like ACTA and the DMCA. The content providers haven't produced anything worth a shit in decades so the best solution to this is not to buy their shit and instead donate that money to the EFF and The Pirate bay.

  11. The Furture by BountyX · · Score: 5, Funny

    *some time in the near furture*

    Due to ACTA, everyone now listens to CC music, watches youtube, and uses only GPL software. Copyright is considered a very large liability by companies and people. All of Microsoft's servers have been shut down due to ACTA accusations made by GPL developers. Microsoft uses thepiratebay (which is still online) to distribute copies of the new Windows 10. These copies are infected with a malicious software that downloads bootleg Disney movies and reports the end-user to Disney for affliate revenue. The malicious software developer also sues the end-user directly for copyright infridgment. Meanwhile, the RIAA and MPAA are the single source of all remaining pirated musics and movies since they need pirates to survive. They eventually all go to jail for downloading illegal copies of "The Little Mermaid". NewYorkCountryLawyer is now in the Supreme Court trying to overturn ACTA; however, the Supreme Court judges have been replaced by drones provided by the airfoce. NewYorkCountryLawyer uses a legal loop-hole in the constition that allows a EULA to trump every US law ever made. Guns are no longer needed, becuase you can just throw a EULA into someones face demanding they kill themselves. The world finally achieves universal peace.

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  12. Re:Keep dreaming *AA by geekmux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Lofty goals. This isn't enforceable, legally or practically. Three strikes and you get kicked off the internet? How? Will I have a chip in my arm that keeps my router from working? Even if they were somehow able to blacklist me from every ISP how would they stop me from using freely available Wifi? How will they shut down Freenet? How will they stop me from burning CDs and just handing it to my friend?

    This isn't going to change anything.

    (In my best Morpheus impression when speaking to Neo during training). What makes you think these laws have anything to do with enforcement? You think they care about what numbers they change on this Internet?

    Remember NO law is ever suggested without it ultimately meaning money and/or power to someone.

  13. This insanity wont stop... by CondeZer0 · · Score: 4, Interesting
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  14. Who leaked? by fyoder · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From the article:

    Someone has uploaded a PDF to a Google Group that is claimed to be the proposal for Internet copyright enforcement that the USA has put forward for ACTA, the secret copyright treaty whose seventh round of negotiations just concluded in Guadalajara, Mexico.

    I wonder who that someone is who leaked it. It could be part of a strategy to scare the crap out of people so that when they come out with something no more than an international DMCA people will breath a sigh of relief instead of getting all up in arms. What they've leaked is so bad as to almost seem not credible.

    From the computerworld.co.nz article:

    The chapter on the internet from the draft treaty was shown to the IDG News Service by a source close to people directly involved in the talks, who asked to remain anonymous. Although it was drawn up last October, it is the most recent negotiating text available, according to the source.

    So is this a real leak, or something they want disseminated? /paranoia

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  15. Concerning by symbolset · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm actually kind of concerned that there's a shadowy group of corporate advocates purporting to be agents of US policy negotiating international treaties which must remain a secret from the citizens of the respective countries, and the practice is getting serious play in the halls of large governments. I'm not the tinfoil hat type usually, but there's something about this that makes me slightly uneasy.

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