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EU Privacy Chief Says ACTA Violates European Law

An anonymous reader writes "Peter Hustinx, the European Data Protection Supervisor, has issued a 20-page opinion expressing concern about ACTA (PDF). Michael Geist's summary of the opinion notes that it concludes that the prospect of a three-strikes and you're out system may violate European privacy law, that the possibility of cross-border enforcement raises serious privacy issues, and that ACTA transparency is needed now."

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  1. Seems fairly intelligent... by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One of the points he makes, which is a good one, is that data-sharing for enforcement purposes among countries that have different criminal punishments for copyright law is hard to justify. It also makes me wonder if--for example--I live in a country with fair use and a country with more stringent fair use policies wants to go after me for copyright infringement... well, you see the issues. Will the country with the most stringent policies suddenly be the equivalent of the patent troll district in Texas?

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    1. Re:Seems fairly intelligent... by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Will the country with the most stringent policies suddenly be the equivalent of the patent troll district in Texas?

      They already are. That is why they came up with ACTA in the first place.

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    2. Re:Seems fairly intelligent... by El+Jynx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Good point. I certainly hope not. Copyright is already problematic in that copying is built into nature, so going against it is swimming upriver - they're better off going with either a pledge-money-for-band-X's-new-album system or else lowering prices so far that downloading illegally just doesn't make sense anymore (especially if you can get it automatically sorted into the right folders with ID3 tags just they way you want 'em). Lower prices to 10c / song and I'll immediately spend $200. Add the right to re-download whenever you want and you've got a business model. Although on a practical note, there's no reason bands can't do tat themselves. There's plenty of platforms available for it.

      On the side: There's a Facebook group I started in the hope to raise awareness, with the ultimate goal being to petition / lobby governments. Feel free to join, it's called We need 5m people to prevent the labels killing internet freedom with ACTA.

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    3. Re:Seems fairly intelligent... by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >>>data-sharing for enforcement purposes among countries that have different criminal punishments for copyright law is hard to justify

      Not really. The U.S. member states constantly share information across borders and it's justified as "being tough on crooks". The EU member states will likely do the same, if not now, then in the near future.

      What I'm surprised he did not address is the violation of the Right to a trial by your peers (jury). The 3-strike law presumes guilt without any requirement that the state prove its case FIRST. Although this may sound harmless, I can easily imagine the state government, or a progressive leader, using the 3-strike law to silence bloggers/reporters he doesn't like by making false 3-strike claims. In such a case the connection gets cut automatically (presumed guilt), the blogger is silenced, and the leader smiles.

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    4. Re:Seems fairly intelligent... by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Although on a practical note, there's no reason bands can't do tat themselves. There's plenty of platforms available for it.

      And that's exactly the reason you'll never see anything like this happen by the big studios. Offering this business model poses the (quite real) threat that it just might work out. And then even the dimmest bands can easily see that there is zero reason to dump the lion's share of their revenue down the mouth of the studios.

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    5. Re:Seems fairly intelligent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      [quote]What I'm surprised he did not address is the violation of the Right to a trial by your peers (jury).[/quote]

      That is because such a (ridiculous) thing does not exist in most European countries. See the Wikipedia entry on Civil Law.

    6. Re:Seems fairly intelligent... by Proteus+Child · · Score: 5, Insightful

      On the side: There's a Facebook group I started in the hope to raise awareness, with the ultimate goal being to petition / lobby governments. Feel free to join, it's called We need 5m people to prevent the labels killing internet freedom with ACTA.

      That's great. How do you propose we go about it? Just sitting around in a Facebook group bitching won't accomplish anything.

      Who do we write to? Who do we call? What are they in charge of? What power (realistically) do they have over the situation? Do we tell them that we back them, or that we're against their support of ACTA?

      We need actionable information, or pointers to where we can find it. Anyone know where to start?

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    7. Re:Seems fairly intelligent... by EzInKy · · Score: 2, Interesting


      Not really. The U.S. member states constantly share information across borders and it's justified as "being tough on crooks".

      Like how we manipulated Mexico and Central America to be our battlegrounds in our "War On Drugs?" Smooth move! One would think Europeans would be too smart to fall for this though.

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    8. Re:Seems fairly intelligent... by MartinSchou · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Will the country with the most stringent policies suddenly be the equivalent of the patent troll district in Texas?

      They already are. That is why they came up with ACTA in the first place.

      You forgot to add, that the ACTA is designed to make every country behave like That Texas District.

    9. Re:Seems fairly intelligent... by donaggie03 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unfortunately, it will probably be your local police showing up at your doorstep, enforcing your own country's laws. That law being to comply with another country's laws. . .

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    10. Re:Seems fairly intelligent... by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Interesting

      >>>That is because such a (ridiculous) thing does not exist in most European countries. See the Wikipedia entry on Civil Law.

      A wise man once said, "People may think you are stupid. Don't open you mouth and prove them right." First off, it's not ridiculous to have a trial by your peers, since it is your peers that have the power to block the government from acting unjustly. Second, a 3-strike law where the *government* disconnects the internet as *punishment* would be CRIMINAL law not civil. And finally the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights does not have a right of trial by your peers, but it does still have the right to a trial:

      Article 47 - Right to an effective remedy and to a fair trial
      Everyone whose rights and freedoms guaranteed by the law of the Union are violated has the right toan effective remedy before a tribunal in compliance with the conditions laid down in this Article. Everyone is entitled to a fair and public hearing within a reasonable time by an independent and impartial tribunal previously established by law. Everyone shall have the possibility of being advised, defended and represented. Legal aid shall be made available to those who lack sufficient resources in so far as such aid is necessary to ensure effective access to justice.

      Article 48 - Presumption of innocence and right of defence
      1. Everyone who has been charged shall be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to
      law. 2. Respect for the rights of the defence of anyone who has been charged shall be guaranteed.

      Receiving punishment (your internet cut off) without trial violates article 47. It also violates article 48 because it presumes guilt without the government having to prove its case.

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    11. Re:Seems fairly intelligent... by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 2, Informative

      If I recall correctly, currently the US Trade Representative is acting as the United States representative* to the ACTA talks (officially). That said, you can find the office of the US Trade Rep here. Currently, the man serving on that post is Ron Kirk. You can find contact information for the USTR here. A further Google search for, "US ACTA representative," turns up these results, the first of which appears to be a boingboing site requesting public input regarding ACTA (I cannot confirm this as I cannot access boingboing from work).

      That should get you started. If you want more information, I suggest using Google and improving your Google-Fu friend. The intrawebz are your friend ;)

      *: I am making the assumption that you are a United States citizen. This, of course, is based on absolutely no facts, as you have revealed nothing regarding your nationality. If you are not from the US, you can still probably use Google and Wikipedia to do your own search regarding your ACTA representatives. Say what you will that such an assumption is based on hedonism and/or nationalism, but I have nothing better to go off as you have revealed no information regarding the country of your residence/origin.

  2. I Think I Know Why They Left Him Out by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So after reading a bit of his "opinion" piece (written way more formally than any opinion piece I've read), it seems that without reading the full extent of ACTA he is dead set against it. Any aspect he has heard of (most likely through Doctorow or Geist) he makes a case for it being a violation of privacy. Without even reading all of it, he knows it's illegal. His title sounds like he should have been invited to these proceedings but I think I can decipher why he wasn't invited ...

    I agree with him but it sounds like he would be opposed to anything they could dream up. And maybe that's the way it should be ... maybe privacy and international IP/copyright enforcement are inseparable. Not being an expert, I cannot say. I am fairly certain, however, that each country has to pass this into law once the countries agree on a basis. I will say that my representative and senators had better damn well represent the majority of the population and I hope that majority is with me on this. What the EDPS should do is continue to demand transparency but also get the citizens and all the members of the EU to promise not to pass this into legislation without transparency right now.

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    1. Re:I Think I Know Why They Left Him Out by halcyon1234 · · Score: 2, Funny

      His title sounds like he should have been invited to these proceedings but I think I can decipher why he wasn't invited ...

      His title? "Data Protection Supervisor"? Give me a break. Unless you're a Czar, you aren't qualified to weigh in on these things.

    2. Re:I Think I Know Why They Left Him Out by MindlessAutomata · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ah, whatever the majority wants. Wanna lynch a few pesky minorities too, while you're at it?

      I could care less about what the majority wants. Simply put ACTA is a political scam, like everything else politics, and he damn well has every right to be dead-set against whatever they're doing because it sure as hell isn't going to be good. The fact that it's behind closed doors should tell you that much.

    3. Re:I Think I Know Why They Left Him Out by M-RES · · Score: 4, Funny

      I could care less about what the majority wants.

      You COULD? Personally I COULDN'T care less... I wonder why you care so much about the majority? ;p

    4. Re:I Think I Know Why They Left Him Out by Xest · · Score: 4, Interesting

      But this is the problem. We've got these top secret negotations that are clearly secret, because there will be massive opposition to them, (else there'd be no reason to keep them secret) and the hope is that they can slip these laws into each country without the populace even noticing. If even half the law makers aren't party to the negotiations they can only go by what is available.

      These sorts of laws like 3-strikes really do breach the European Convention on Human Rights, and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights also specifically in terms of the right to fair trial, and the reasonable right to privacy. Further, most countries have laws derived from the Geneva convention to govern related and similar civil matters, such as to protect against collective punishment, which is a war crime under the Geneva convention- cutting off internet access to a household for the action of one clearly also breaches this.

      So we've got this situation where governments are trying to pass these laws regardless, even though they are clearly in conflict with existing, more fundamental laws. In Europe, this has happened repeatedly this last decade with the likes of the British government's DNA database storing DNA of the innocent and so forth, and the end result is always the same - the law gets deemed illegal in itself by the European Court of Human Rights and change has to happen, or governments will face penalty, but in the meantime it is citizens who have to deal with all the shit.

      So regardless of whether this guy is right or wrong, it doesn't really matter, he's making comments based on what he does know, and that's really key, because if at least he can make the point heard that it's about time they start thinking of the consequences and repercussions of the laws, and whether they are legal BEFORE they implement them, then that's a good thing. I don't however, hold much faith, because those passing such laws seem to do so on the hope that no one will notice said laws have been passed- but we do notice, because we're the ones they potentially effect.

      Good on him for making the point regardless, they need to know that we are listening, we do know about it, and that these laws will end up just being shot down by the courts anyway.

    5. Re:I Think I Know Why They Left Him Out by mcgrew · · Score: 5, Insightful

      it seems that without reading the full extent of ACTA he is dead set against it.

      How is one supposed to read the full extent of a paper that is not only secret but unfinished? How about this:

      1. We are for the legalization of rape
      2. We support the use of undocumented aliens
      3. We support wages of one dollar per hour

      (rest of list redacted)
      How can I be against this list when I've only seen three items?

      If what you see of a list is 100% evil, it is fair to assume that not only is the rest of the list evil, but so are the people writing the list.

      The very fact that MNOs are writing laws for the world's governments puts ME squarely against it, even if they're supporting sunshine and flowers. NOTHING matters to an MNO except profits; they are amoral and nonsocial. They do not care about human rights, only profits, and any politician in any country that supportst this travesty should be voted out of office.

      will say that my representative and senators had better damn well represent the majority of the population and I hope that majority is with me on this.

      I agree completely. But even if the majority of my state's voters are for inhumane copyright legislation, I personally will vote against any politician that votes for it.

      The corporations have too much power; they should have none at all.

    6. Re:I Think I Know Why They Left Him Out by El+Jynx · · Score: 5, Interesting

      We SHOULD be against any form of copyright protection on principle. It goes against nature (copying is natural) and hence will require LOADS of energy to enforce - from policy makers, judges, and cops to sysadmins and users. Get rid of it; there's plenty of better ways to get this done. Open source collaboration is one, alternate business models are another. The record companies have already been made superfluous by these developments and they know it, but they're doing their damnedest to become tyrants rather than adjust to life's flux.

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    7. Re:I Think I Know Why They Left Him Out by eldavojohn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But this is the problem. We've got these top secret negotations that are clearly secret, because there will be massive opposition to them, (else there'd be no reason to keep them secret)

      I don't quite agree with you there. People have all sorts of different reasons for keeping legislation secret until it is proposed ranging from strategically hiding it from your opposition thereby reducing their reaction time to simply not having a solid foundation built yet. If you've got a shaky idea of what all the players want out of this deal, you shouldn't be publishing the initial draft of the documentation. This leads to confusion and gives opponents fodder. Let's say the countries that came to the table eventually reject the international three strikes rule but later have problems passing a better version of ACTA that actually tries to achieve a solution without invading privacy. Even the opinion piece acknowledges a need for a solution:

      The EDPS acknowledges that the cross-border trade in counterfeit and pirate goods is a growing concern that often involves organized criminal networks, which calls for the adoption of appropriate cooperation mechanisms at international level in order to fight against this form of criminality.

      No matter how good that amended solution may be, you and I aren't going to care. We're only going to remember the stories on Slashdot and know that ACTA = EVIL. So with this early exposure, the thing is dead before it can be reformed and amended.

      On top of that, how do you get all the big players to the table if the documentation is floating around that angers the hell out of their constituents. "If so and so goes to that summit, I'm never voting for her/him again" is what one might say.

      I mean, the leaked documentation is damning but you have to consider that bills proposed here in the USA always have flaws that get worked over and over before it's passed. To claim otherwise is a bit disingenuous.

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    8. Re:I Think I Know Why They Left Him Out by EzInKy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Any aspect he has heard of (most likely through Doctorow or Geist) he makes a case for it being a violation of privacy. Without even reading all of it, he knows it's illegal.

      Could you please post a link to all the ACTA documents? If not, all we can assume is it just as bad as the naysayers say.

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    9. Re:I Think I Know Why They Left Him Out by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Interesting

      He's the data protection head honcho. And as such he is in charge of protecting the private data and privacy of the citizens he took care of. OF COURSE he can only be against anything ACTA represents, since pretty much anything ACTA could do to strengthen copyrights at this point has to invade the privacy of someone. We are already at the point where copyright is as strong as it gets without spying on people.

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    10. Re:I Think I Know Why They Left Him Out by blackchiney · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You could be correct. But what has come out of the meetings so far isn't very promising. Leaders are reluctant to share it with constituents because they know they could never pass it in its current form. If you want to see how secrecy can topple a legislative process look no further than the US healthcare bill. The much more public House version passed with what most people would be satisfied with. The extra secret Senate version was a travesty. Meetings with healthcare companies, no input from the public (who later on expressed their anger the only way they could by firing these idiots) and here we are today. A bill that cannot pass in its current form because no one likes it. The good news is the WH, senate, have finally realized the healthcare industry doesn't keep you in washington, people that vote do. Ignoring their questions long enough means you'll be out a job soon. ACTA is like that. Other, more meaningful, treaties (like child slavery, sex trafficking) have passed in less time with majority support. If ACTA was so great it wouldn't take half a decade to be in the "discussion" phase. But it's garbage, they know it and they know we know it.

    11. Re:I Think I Know Why They Left Him Out by Shin-LaC · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No matter how good that amended solution may be, you and I aren't going to care. We're only going to remember the stories on Slashdot and know that ACTA = EVIL. So with this early exposure, the thing is dead before it can be reformed and amended.

      Oh, they're just going to change the name once the negotiations are over. Remember Palladium => TCPA => whatever they call it now? And that was just the private industry. These guys are politicians.

    12. Re:I Think I Know Why They Left Him Out by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 2, Informative
      And here is the text of the forth Geneva convention.

      It is article 33 which forbids collective punishments:

      Art. 33. No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.

      Pillage is prohibited.

      Reprisals against protected persons and their property are prohibited.

      So, who are "protected persons"? Article 4 gives the answer:

      Art. 4. Persons protected by the Convention are those who, at a given moment and in any manner whatsoever, find themselves, in case of a conflict or occupation, in the hands of a Party to the conflict or Occupying Power of which they are not nationals.

      Nationals of a State which is not bound by the Convention are not protected by it. Nationals of a neutral State who find themselves in the territory of a belligerent State, and nationals of a co-belligerent State, shall not be regarded as protected persons while the State of which they are nationals has normal diplomatic representation in the State in whose hands they are.

      So, unless the US invades a country in order to impose ACTA there by force, victims of "three strikes" cannot consider themselves to be protected by the Geneva convention, and so article 33 would not apply.

  3. dude has got it all wrong... by sxpert · · Score: 5, Funny

    the title should read "European Law violates ACTA"
    subtitled "The law must be changed"

  4. Re:Secret laws are illegal anyway by c-reus · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm sure it will be available for the public to read - but only after it has been signed into law. ACTA is still being negotiated, you know.

  5. Re:Secret laws are illegal anyway by codegen · · Score: 5, Informative

    Its not law yet. Its a proposed international treaty. Once it is signed, then each individual country that signs (an ratifies) it is then obligated to pass laws to implement the treaty. Those laws of course will be public.

    The problem with secret negotiations, is that the public is then presented with a fait d'accompli, which must be implemented in law, thus depriving them of any input. In some countries, the ratification process provides some measure of input, but it is binary, either yes or no. Once ratified, the politicians can then say, "we have to pass this law, we are obligated by the treaty" and ignore any opposition from the public.

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  6. Re:Secret laws are illegal anyway by 91degrees · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yes, but treaties seem to be a way around this. Governments don't need public approval for treaties. The treaties just obligate them to make appropriate laws. The public can have input into the laws after the treaty is signed but have considerably less say over it.

    Of course, the US (presumably other countries) often avoids treaty obligations because the constitution makes it impossible to write laws.

  7. Re:Secret laws are illegal anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most countries also prefer to avoid having anything to do with the men threatening western civilization instead of fighting them.

    Yes, because if EU had declared war on the USA while Bush was in power, it would have caused WW3. The nicer approach was to just wait for his term as a president to finally run out.

  8. Re:Secret laws are illegal anyway by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That might even be illegal in most countries. But you may rest assured it becomes "public" a nanosecond before the vote. Since politicians rarely if ever read the laws they vote on anyway, they won't even bother to find out just since when they could read the law and go for the usual way they walk when tasked with voting on some law: Asking their party leaders how to vote.

    I really wonder why we need so many representatives. It's not like they do anything but raise their hand whenever the party says they should.

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  9. ACTA is illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ACTA is the attempt to eradicate free communication. The ultimate chilling effect. It's the return to government and industry controlled dissemination of propaganda. The establishment is fed up with grass-roots resistance to corporate control and is readying the big guns.

  10. Keeping proposed legislation secret by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have to disagree with you in this:

    People have all sorts of different reasons for keeping legislation secret until it is proposed ranging from strategically hiding it from your opposition thereby reducing their reaction time to simply not having a solid foundation built yet. If you've got a shaky idea of what all the players want out of this deal, you shouldn't be publishing the initial draft of the documentation. This leads to confusion and gives opponents fodder. Let's say the countries that came to the table eventually reject the international three strikes rule but later have problems passing a better version of ACTA that actually tries to achieve a solution without invading privacy.

    That's exacty what corrupts democracy from an open discussion of ideas towards a power game more akin to chess playing. Entertaining, but missing the point.

    One of the pieces of US legislation I'm most envious of, as an European is FOIA (the time span should be considerably shorter, but over here, governments are free to keep things secret forever).

    Keep politics and admin honest by making known as much as possible as early as possible.

  11. Something is wrong here... by Requiem18th · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wasn't the minister of privacy supposed to spy on you?

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  12. No Kiddin' by epp_b · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm pretty sure it violates law in pretty well every continent where it's planned to be implemented.

  13. Re:Secret laws are illegal anyway by VShael · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The nicer approach was to just wait for his term as a president to finally run out.

    Right. Because the new guy was going to repeal all those horrible decisions.
    Oh wait, he didn't.
    Well at least he wasn't going to make the same types of horrible decisions going forward.
    Oh wait, he did.

    I can't wait for THIS guy's term to run out, so we can deal with the next guy.
    I just bet he'll be different...

  14. Oh, well if HE demands it... by LordSkout · · Score: 2

    *chuckle* The people making ACTA know very well how much resistance there is to their plans, and that's precisely WHY it's been kept secret. This guy isn't even near the top of the list of people in power (Senators and Representatives in the US) who have already demanded transparency and been ignored, so I'm not sure why this is news.

    All the political powers not on the payrolls of the media industry are going to make a fuss about this, but they're in the minority, and obviously between Biden and Obama, between ACTA and the newly organized FBI police task force to back them up, this only gets worse from here.