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PayPal To Open App Store For Developers

angry tapir writes "PayPal will open an applications store this year where developers can offer their wares, the latest step in the company's multi-pronged strategy to deepen its relationship with external programmers. Developers have a big opportunity to offer applications for merchants and consumers that PayPal doesn't have the interest or resources to build itself, according to a PayPal official."

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  1. Hmmm ... by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 4, Funny

    Isn't this just going to piss off the government of India even more? They're already holding developer's PP accounts under suspicion.

    1. Re:Hmmm ... by Culture20 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Mods, Parent isn't off topic. Who are the developers whom Paypal seeks to exploit with their app store?

    2. Re:Hmmm ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Wrong kind of Indians. It's the feather one's that live in TP's.

    3. Re:Hmmm ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Next time quote your source, rookie.

      India Suspended From PayPal For "At Least a Few Months"

    4. Re:Hmmm ... by pacificleo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      this is more to do with keeping Google Check out at bay . Checkout is default payment method in Android .with all the transaction moving to Mobile phone this can threaten paypal's core business sooner or later . interesting time ahead .

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    5. Re:Hmmm ... by sammyF70 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      considering how Google Checkout employees apparently weren't told that they were in charge of Google Android Aps developers, and basically stall as much as possible if you have any trouble getting the money you made from Android apps, Paypal shouldn't really have any trouble providing a better service. (yes, I can actually back that assessment up. I'm still trying to get ANY of the money I allegedly made by selling Android Apps from Google)

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    6. Re:Hmmm ... by Threni · · Score: 1

      Not as much as it's going to piss off all the developers who try and use it who will inevitably discover their accounts frozen, transactions reversed etc, and that when they try and contact PayPal to remedy the situation find that all the unmanned email addresses and premium rate phone numbers in the world are going to do nothing to help them.

    7. Re:Hmmm ... by TwineLogic · · Score: 1

      Isn't this just going to piss off the government of India even more? They're already holding developer's PP accounts under suspicion.

      Do you mean, "Won't the government of India choose to isolate themselves even further?"

  2. Hostess to Open App Store for Developers by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Hostess Brands, Inc., the largest wholesale baker and distributor of fresh bakery products in the United States, will open an applications store this year where developers can offer their wares, the latest step in the company's multi-pronged strategy to deepen its relationship with external programmers. Developers have a big opportunity to offer applications for merchants and consumers that Hostess doesn't have the interest or resources to build itself, according to a Hostess official."

    The above makes as much sense as the summary and article. Paypal? Software?

    1. Re:Hostess to Open App Store for Developers by Tar-Alcarin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is basically just Paypal crowdsourcing their own app-development. (Think different web-apps and store-fronts etc. that work with Paypal solutions.)

      If it works out well for them (which it seems to have done for eBay), we may see more of the same sort in the future.

    2. Re:Hostess to Open App Store for Developers by FlyingBishop · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Giving a large untrusted 3rd party developer pool access to people's business transactions is just plain stupid. I thought that PayPal was as insecure as possible. It turns out we've only scratched the surface. Now they're inviting identity thieves to build automated skimmers on PayPal's own infrastructure.

    3. Re:Hostess to Open App Store for Developers by somersault · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You have things completely the wrong way round.. the only things this will do is provide a content delivery system for exchanging apps for money.

      I think it's a great idea. Having to register, design and build my own website, link up to some online payment service and write my own content delivery system has always made the idea of writing a commercial app seem a bit of a pain in the ass to me (I know I could do it, but I can't be bothered) - but with this kind of service available it takes a lot of hassle out of things. Now whenever I think about writing a commercial application, I will be slightly more inclined to actually do so as I know that the distribution would require minimal effort on my part, and I only have to be concerned with writing the actual application.

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    4. Re:Hostess to Open App Store for Developers by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      The above makes as much sense as the summary and article. Paypal? Software?
      Makes perfect sense to me, afaict the main buisness for paypal is side incomes and very small buisnesses where the seller either can't be bothered to or doesn't do enough buisness to justify setting up a proper credit card merchant account.

      One such small buisness is selling software downloads. Right now you either have to set up your own infrastructure for that (and remember much of the point of paypal is to avoid setting up infrastructure) or go to some third party operators and at least the one i've dealt with in the past (as a customer) seems to have a pretty shady reputation, the name "payloadz" doesn't exactly inspire confidence either.

      Since paypal presumablly has plenty of infrastructure for offering stuff only to appropriately logged in users adding thier own software download service seems like a good way to increase revenue (presumablly they will charge more for this service than for a simple money transfer)

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    5. Re:Hostess to Open App Store for Developers by somersault · · Score: 1

      Fair enough, I had things the wrong way round. I wish there were an equivalent to the Android or Apple app stores for distributing normal desktop software though. Maybe there already is? How easy is it to get your software into something like Steam?

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    6. Re:Hostess to Open App Store for Developers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called the Ubuntu App Store.

      Oh, by normal you meant Windows/Mac. Sorry for bothering you.

    7. Re:Hostess to Open App Store for Developers by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 1

      It makes more sense really. I'd rather work with Hostess than Paypal.

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    8. Re:Hostess to Open App Store for Developers by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      No, it makes a lot of sense for paypal to get into the market for intangible products. Mechanically, their existing business was pretty much already an online store; it's just that they didn't exactly sell anything. Adding a few more servers to dish out files (start selling things) is a cheap way to make more money (compared to getting into the issues of warehouses, shipping stuff, etc).

      From a user's perspective, though, I don't like app stores. But app stores that aren't married to a platform (so that you don't have the types of conflicts of interest that say, Apple, has) are pretty much as good as it can get (if you don't count free repositories like what most Linux users are used to).

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    9. Re:Hostess to Open App Store for Developers by Ihmhi · · Score: 1

      Hostess could definitely get into the apps biz.

      It'd be a piece of cake.

      Thank you, thank you! I'll be here all night! Tip your waitress, try the veal!

    10. Re:Hostess to Open App Store for Developers by somersault · · Score: 1

      Actually I use Ubuntu as my primary OS both at work and home. But yes, it's a pretty fucking stupid place to start considering a lot of people first get interested in Linux simply because it's free. Windows and Mac users are much more likely to actually buy their software (IMO) because they don't know any better.

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  3. Are there any by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Are there any developers that actually trust paypal?

    1. Re:Are there any by Pojut · · Score: 1

      I think a better question is are there any developers that would want this in their portfolio...?

    2. Re:Are there any by EriktheGreen · · Score: 1

      I think the question is "Are there any internet users who actually trust Paypal?"

      I've had a dispute with them for 2 years because they reversed a transaction without asking, and I keep running into small merchants who use them for credit card processing who can't take my card - Paypal has the card number blacklisted, and won't let me use it for any transactions that they handle processing for, even if completely unrelated to the dispute and even if they're just doing back end processing for another company.

      I'm sure if they could legally grab the card numbers as they go by and charge the disputed value they would.

      It's like they're an unregulated bank.

      Erik

    3. Re:Are there any by nametaken · · Score: 1

      Exactly.

      Great, so I make a PayPal cart app that makes a few bucks, problem is PayPal locks up my account without warning and when I finally get through to a CSR they tell me to go fuck myself.

      No thanks. Developing for PayPal is about as masochistic as developing for the iPhone.

    4. Re:Are there any by godefroi · · Score: 1

      It's worse than you know:

      1) There doesn't seem to be that many developers that trust PayPal.
      2) There doesn't seem to be that many users that trust PayPal.
      3) There doesn't seem to be that many users who trust random developers.

      I don't see how this can work out well, and if it somehow does, it'll be proof of what I've believed all along: the world is going to hell in a handbasket.

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  4. There might be some developers... by geegel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... who will not be exactly jumping for this opportunity. The Indian developers of course.

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  5. Seems like a bad idea.... for developers. by blankinthefill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If I were a developer, I wouldn't touch this with a 10 foot pole. Paypal wants to pull more shit with people's accounts? Well, just declare that the app is a 'rogue app' or something. Then they get to play their little games, and THEY probably don't get the bad PR for it.

    1. Re:Seems like a bad idea.... for developers. by ircmaxell · · Score: 1

      It's more of a factor of if people want to use it than if the developer wants to use it. If this thing really takes off, you'd be hurting your own business by not using it. So the only way to win all around and stay independent, is for this to not take off. And I think the likelihood of that happening is quite high... Seriously, at what point do you just make a universal "app store". Something like what Tucows used to be, but with an installer on the desktop where the site handles all the payments. Is it a good idea? I don't know. Would I use it? Probably not...

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    2. Re:Seems like a bad idea.... for developers. by BlueTrin · · Score: 1

      I second that, I hope that this is not just an idea which has been bulldozed out of a meeting room between marketing and the executive board.

      If you let people develop an third-party application which is using bank account details, you better be damn sure that there will be no problems in the future, in my opinion this is a time bomb waiting to explode when a vulnerability will be found.

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    3. Re:Seems like a bad idea.... for developers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, this isn't an idea bulldozed out of a meeting room. It's an idea that developers all through paypal have been asking for for at least 2 years, probably more.

  6. Slashdot to Open App Store for Developers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    "If it works out well for them (which it seems to have done for eBay), we may see more of the same sort in the future."

    Maybe apply that to Slashdot's UI?

  7. The Apps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sure there will be PayPal apps that will:

    • Tally the interest you could have earned on the funds that PP arbitrarily frozen in your account
    • Count bogus threats PP gives you about suing
    • Count the number of times PP "customer service" gives you the runaround.
    • Gives you message boxes telling you that your issues are really eBay's problem and not PayPals (even thought they're the same company)
    • Little pop-ups that say "You got screwed!" in the AOL "you got mail" voice.
    • The Customer Service app that hands out random bullshit "help" - actually this ends up better than they're real "support"

    Of course the app I'd want is the automated complaint filer that automatically files complaints to : BBB.org, FTC.gov, My attorney general's office, ripoffreport.com, and epinions.com whenever PP screws me over.

  8. Try becoming a proper company first by meist3r · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From my experience with Paypal this will be an outright desaster for many people. You can't get a hold of any human being through their shit telephone system. There is nothing except pre-fab email replies. They lock accounts for no apparent reason and refuse to explain themselves. They steal money from their account holders by blocking accounts and not creating opportunities to dispute that. They've stolen money from foobar http://www.foobar2000.org/, the Xorg Foundation http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.freedesktop.xorg/42548 and as we all clearly see Wikileaks http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100124/1846137886.shtml

    Paypal is a lame excuse of an idea that went right of the window. They try to act like a bank but don't take the responsibility that comes with it. They screw several countries out of taxes because they're situated in Liechtenstein (at least for Europe) which doesn't pay anything. They provide the service of adding another layer of menu forms to a credit card purchase. They don't provide actual added value to most resellers and are currently used as an extortion tool for Ebay customers. On top of that they are a major target for phishing and skimming attacks, cross site scripting and abuse.

    Who in their right mind would do business with them? Oh I forgot you have to. In case you've wondered I've had my share of problems w/ Paypal. They refused to let me balance my PP account from my bank because they are too fucking stupid to get a non-automated verification system for new bank accounts. So while my account was in transfer because of a merger they send the "verfication" (a ridiculous transfer of random cent values) to the wrong sort code and subsequently refused to correct their mistake or let me (who had done nothing but provide them with updated proper bank data) verify the account any other way. In short: Paypal sucks, I've closed my account there and won't be coming back. Ever.

    If that is the kind of servce they provide to their paying customers imagine how brilliantly developers will find working w/ them.

    1. Re:Try becoming a proper company first by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      I've seen "rediculous" enough times now that I don't even give it a second look. But "desaster!" That's a new one. Kudos.

      Where are you people even finding a web browser without an integrated spell-checker these days?

    2. Re:Try becoming a proper company first by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Who in their right mind would do business with them? Oh I forgot you have to.

      Why do you have to? Authorize.NET charges $25/month plus a smaller percentage per transaction and anyone can sign up, probably even get your money faster than with paypal from start to finish.

      Pretty much ever storefront will work with authorize.net since its so popular.

      You could also use Google Checkout instead of paypal.

      I see no reason to use paypal on a site other than 'someone thinks paypal is the only way to go'.

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    3. Re:Try becoming a proper company first by meist3r · · Score: 1

      I see no reason to use paypal on a site other than 'someone thinks paypal is the only way to go'.

      That's what I'm talking about. It's not like there are no alternatives but it's become the Internet Explorer of ePayment. It's the first thing most people see and never bother to look any further.

    4. Re:Try becoming a proper company first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you have to?

      Multi-currency payment processing. Try that with authorize.net.

    5. Re:Try becoming a proper company first by ps2os2 · · Score: 0

      I gave up PAYPAL a few years back. Just try and *GUESS* how to delete your account. I asked quite a few times and they simply did not respond. Then I started to get a 40-50 emails telling me I had to do something with my account. I simply made an email rule to trash all email from paypal. Simple and I have yet to really need it. Heck one application would only accept paypal and I sent them a note saying they would not get my business until they offered another option. Simple put who the heck needs them?

  9. PayPal needs to clean up its act FIRST! by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With smartphones, PayPal sees a future in which its system can be used to pay at the grocery store, the cleaners, the gas station, and for things like rent and parking meters, he said.

    Really? As long as you can't pay your hookers & blackjack with PayPal, it'll be useless.

    Then there's a long list of people that have been screwed over by PayPal, and that warn you never to do business with them (especially on the money recipient side). Complaints like this http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/07/1830222/Paypal-Reverses-Payments-Made-To-Indians keep coming in: http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/02/10/0048246/India-Suspended-From-PayPal-For-At-Least-a-Few-Months

    And PayPal tries to present itself to users as some sort of bank, but well... it isn't. And from the looks of it, doesn't even want to become one (government oversight and all that crap).

    I've only used PayPal on a few occassions to buy stuff abroad, and it worked well for me. But in order for PayPal to become more commonplace, it needs to:

    1. Clean up its act, start to behave like a real bank. Preferably: register as one.
    2. Remove limitations on where & what for you can use PayPal.
    3. Lower their fees to reasonable levels (like: competitive with direct bank -> bank transfers).
    1. Re:PayPal needs to clean up its act FIRST! by kwiqsilver · · Score: 1

      Really? As long as you can't pay your hookers & blackjack with PayPal, it'll be useless.

      You can pay hookers with PayPal (just use send money). You can't buy porn with it. There's a difference.

    2. Re:PayPal needs to clean up its act FIRST! by BikeHelmet · · Score: 1

      Lower their fees to reasonable levels (like: competitive with direct bank -> bank transfers).

      $0.50 flat?

  10. They'll still reject apps left and right by noidentity · · Score: 1

    I bet they'll still reject useful apps left and right, things like

    • UnfreezeAccount - Unfreezes your PayPal account.
    • ReverseCharge - Reverses charges when you really didn't receive item seller claimed he shipped
    • BankRules - Causes normal banking rules to apply to your account
  11. FTA by codepunk · · Score: 2

    "I want developers to think of PayPal first whenever they hear the word 'payments' and I want to know what it will take to get there. We're willing to do it. We're willing to innovate and experiment on their behalf and hear their feedback," he said

    I don't know about you but I find that hilarious.

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    1. Re:FTA by imakemusic · · Score: 1

      It makes sense as long as that first thought is "as long as I don't have to use PayPal".

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    2. Re:FTA by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      That should read:

      "I want developers to think of PayPal first whenever they hear the word 'fraud' and I want to know what it will take to get there. We're willing to do it. We're willing to innovate and experiment on their behalf and hear their feedback," he said

  12. Will be nicer to developers than to users? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or will they confiscate money from developer selling apps as soon as a unique buyer complaints?

  13. Alternatives? by __aagbwg300 · · Score: 1

    Queue the "Paypal sucks" comments. (Actually, I may post a few myself.)

    Here's a question for you solo programmers out there: What is the alternative? If you wanted to distribute a desktop app without striking your own deal with Visa, where would you go?

    1. Re:Alternatives? by FlyingBishop · · Score: 1

      Google.

      But really, if you can't set up a credit card purchasing system, you shouldn't be doing business. The only difference between the Internet and brick and mortar shops is that on the Internet you don't buy from the sketchy place that only takes cash.

    2. Re:Alternatives? by Alistair+Hutton · · Score: 1
      BMT Micro? (Who I'm with)

      Fastspring?

      Any of the hundreds of third party payment providers that are out there

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    3. Re:Alternatives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Queue the "Paypal sucks" comments.

      Why not just enter the comments immediately? Is there something ahead of them that you are waiting for?

    4. Re:Alternatives? by 1s44c · · Score: 1

      Google.

      But really, if you can't set up a credit card purchasing system, you shouldn't be doing business. The only difference between the Internet and brick and mortar shops is that on the Internet you don't buy from the sketchy place that only takes cash.

      The difference is if you go to the sketchy place that only takes cash you still have rights and you can't lose more than the cash you give them. A condition of using paypal is that you sign all your rights away plus give them the right to empty every account you ever told them about.

  14. Why'd it take so long. by Tibia1 · · Score: 1

    Apps are a good thing, and paypal is the easiest money manager yet. This will be quite useful, at what costs...

  15. Paypal Sucks Beyond Imagination by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Paypal and Ebay better get their acts together because the both of them are the single worst combination of e-commerce going.

  16. Wow now that's irony by meist3r · · Score: 1

    I'm from Germany getting lambasted by a grammar Nazi.

    In my defense, albeit obviously w/o merit, I've grown to ignore spellcheck because I switch so often between German in English applications and English in German applications that the thing usually just doesn't know what it's talking about anyway. I'll try especially hard not to fuck up from now on, just for you.

    1. Re:Wow now that's irony by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      I'm from Germany getting lambasted by a grammar Nazi.

      Ouch. Just typing the word "Nazi" probably has the police on their way.

      I'll try especially hard not to fuck up from now on, just for you.

      Aw, thanks. I feel like we have a special relationship going. I hope the police let you write me letters from "Mentioning Nazis" prison.

      I'd mention that this situation isn't really irony except in the Alanis Morissette sense of the word, but that would probably just get you into more trouble.

    2. Re:Wow now that's irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, there's a German Thrash-Black Metal band called Desaster. I've seen them live and they kick ass!

  17. Sharp as a knife by meist3r · · Score: 1

    Wow you're getting more and more sympathetic with every sentence. You got anything less important to do than splitting hairs on Slashdot? Just asking.

    Don't you have students to teach or something?

    Btw. it's totally fine to mention Nazis in Germany. Just don't be one.

    1. Re:Sharp as a knife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Besides, even if you are one, the police force most likely will support you. It's the mass of other people you need to worry about. Dresden 2010 - English Version

  18. paypal is still shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To this day it doesnt work for receiving payments in my country. Why the f*** would I be interested in helping them then?

  19. uhm... by wzzzzrd · · Score: 1

    Everybody and their grandma are opening an "appstore". How is this news? It's just the same that has always happened since the www grew popular: reinventing all the wheels with just another layer of abstraction. Today there is google docs using gwt which uses java to be transformed into seven versions of javascript code, which then is sent to a browser in order to render a text document...Built on top of a document delivery system (www+html+cgi). Same with all these appstores: They're just freshmeat with restrictions and corporate branding.

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  20. Can't trust 'em by 1s44c · · Score: 1

    'All new paypal applications, Find a new way for us to rob you.'