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Examining Virtual Crimes

GamePolitics has an article about a research paper issued by the AU government's Institute of Criminology titled "Crime Risks of Three-Dimensional Virtual Environments." The paper discusses the legal questions raised by game worlds and avatars, ranging from regulation of in-game currency to a report of virtual rape. "A person controlling an avatar that is unexpectedly raped or assaulted might experience the physical reaction of 'freezing,' or the associated shock, distrust and loss of confidence in using [3D virtual environments]. While civil redress for psychological harm is conceivable, the 'disembodied' character of such an incident would invariably bar liability for any crime against the person. However, Australian federal criminal law imposes a maximum penalty of three years imprisonment for using an internet carriage service to 'menace, harass or cause offence' to another user. Further, US and Australian laws ban simulated or actual depictions of child abuse and pornography. Therefore, any representations of child avatars involved in virtual sexual activity, torture or physical abuse are prohibited, regardless of whether the real-world user is an adult or child."

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  1. So... by Entropy98 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Tea Bagging in a FPS could get u 3 years?

    I find it dumb, immature, and annoying, but like most times someone says "There ought to be a law", there ought not to be.

    1. Re:So... by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Informative

      Where the hell did you get that idea? Most of us ignore them as best we can. This is summed up by the popular saying "Don't vote, it only encourages the bastards." Those that aren't ignoring them are taking the piss out of them.

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    2. Re:So... by Smirker · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I'm an Aussie and most of the people I know dislike the current government and are against laws such as

      Australian federal criminal law imposes a maximum penalty of three years imprisonment for using an internet carriage service to 'menace, harass or cause offence' to another user.

      We think that ruling cartoon depictions of child pornography illegal is plain stupid, and are against Internet filtering. Our far left Labor government completely ignores the people (ETS, NBN anyone?), and instead tries to protect them against their will or by the will of a small minority. They also put too much weight on the voice of parents who think that the protection of their children supersedes the right of society's freedom, when if they didn't they would loose their precious votes in our extremely tight federal elections. It's in shambles and is completely bs.

    3. Re:So... by h00manist · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm for a one-law constitution. Absolutely no violence against human beings. Violence against other things is also discouraged, but less so. Everything else is legal. Society will have to learn to define for itself what is violence, what is human, and not. That debate is not simplistic and bite-sized for the attention-grabbing media, politicians, or the poor people attempting to learn something from the entertainment-gossip-*news*. You will need some scholars. And engaging in violence won't get you sent to prison, but to a society where the violent go, a distant island where... umm... wait a minute... well I did have a point somewhere.

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    4. Re:So... by Idiomatick · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I am more curious what happens if you teabag an npc. Technically its e-rape still.

  2. Raped in an MMO? by spiffmastercow · · Score: 4, Funny

    What game engine supports rape? World of Sex Crimes? Everrape?

    1. Re:Raped in an MMO? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Without reading TFA, the usual citation for virtual rape is a case from years and years ago on a text-based game called LambdaMOO. A particularly asinine user wrote a puppet that was, yes, used to rape people. Exactly how and why people manage to associate with MU* characters so strongly that they can actually be emotionally harmed by this sort of thing is beyond me, and I've spent years on them!

    2. Re:Raped in an MMO? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      What game engine supports rape? World of Sex Crimes? Everrape?

      It all depends on how the rape procedes really. If you want your faith in humanity thoroughly but gently violated there's WoW. If you want your star wars related hopes and dreams mercilessly skullfucked there's SWG.

      Or if you want to just skip the gameplay and get straight to plain old fashioned sexual raping, you can sample half the programs coming from Japan.

    3. Re:Raped in an MMO? by nuckfuts · · Score: 2, Informative

      The article describes a 1993 incident where a female player was "raped" in a text-based multiplayer game, where

      the harm involved 'a real-time non-consensual textual description of the rape' through 'the display of graphic and offensive sentences'

    4. Re:Raped in an MMO? by Scarletdown · · Score: 5, Funny

      Now, on this 3D model, please show the doctor which polygons the bad person clicked on.

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    5. Re:Raped in an MMO? by syousef · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What game engine supports rape? World of Sex Crimes? Everrape?

      Evony, judging by the ads.

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    6. Re:Raped in an MMO? by amRadioHed · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Any virtual environment or even chat systems support virtual rape by way of emotes

      No, no they don't. There's a reason why you can be sued for sexual harassment at work for saying something obscene but you can't be sued for rape for something you say. Words can be hurtful, but they can't be rape.

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  3. Legal Questions of Virtual Activity? by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So I guess GTA (from original on up) should cause you to have to do time for grand theft of an automobile, drug dealing and cop killing? Absolute balderdash.

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    1. Re:Legal Questions of Virtual Activity? by PaintyThePirate · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bad analogy. The real life equivalent of what you're saying is getting convicted for shooting at a paper target. These laws are about harassing human beings over the medium of video games.

      That's not to say the laws aren't ridiculous, just that your example isn't an argument against it.

  4. Seriously? by EdIII · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ranging from regulation of in-game currency to a report of virtual rape.

    Really? Every time I think we have rock bottom with the sheer scope of fucking mentally challenged concepts in government, they continue to amaze me with how much deeper than can go.

    Reminds me of Eddie Murphy in the Golden Child when he flips a coin down into the darkness. "Hey! They're ain't no ground here".

    It's fucking virtual with real world consequences.

    Well then I want to prosecute those douchebag lawmakers. They virtually "blew my mind" on the Internet. Where's my commercial saying I got a 1 million dollars?

  5. How would that work in court? by khasim · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Can you show me on this doll where he said that he was touching your avatar?

    1. Re:How would that work in court? by Hurricane78 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, since a virtual crime can only be punished with a virtual punishment in a virtual court...

      But hey, who says that a virtual world has to have the same laws as the real one.
      After all, other rules are often the whole POINT of that virtual world!

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    2. Re:How would that work in court? by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Can you show me on this doll where he said that he was touching your avatar?

      No I can't, that would be virtual molestation.

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    3. Re:How would that work in court? by ImNotAtWork · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Reminds me of this event. A griefer in an MMO was crucified for 7 days while his account was banned. http://www.joystiq.com/2006/03/23/see-mmo-griefer-crucified-in-public-spectacle/

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  6. Re:You know what I always say? by HungryHobo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In other news properties in the game of monopoly are to be rent controlled.
    Infractions shall be a matter for civil court and anyone who actually does manage to build a monopoly shall be subject to unfair trading practices legislation.

  7. Let's stop calling them crimes by mdwh2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I agree - and it's an insult to people who have experience such horrific crimes.

    A virtual crime is a crime that happens in a virtual envirnoment - e.g., fraud. Things like harrassment can also constitute crimes, but the crime is still harrassment, and not "rape". This is nothing new - did people refer to dodgy phone callers as "virtual rapists"?

    A depiction of a crime is not a virtual crime. By that logic, films show "virtual murders", and when they media report on crimes, they should also be guilty of committing virtual crimes. It is depressing to see the media and politicians conflate depictions of crimes (which should be legal), with crimes that occur in a virtual environment (which is what "virtual crime" implies).

    And when the media report on virtual crimes, I guess they must be guilty of a virtual virtual crime...

  8. Re:Just typical voter-grabbing techniques by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If I was a politician I'd do the exact opposite, and work to eliminate bad laws and then brag about it: "Good news! The law that would have arrested you for kissing a black person (or vice-versa white person) no longer exists. I killed it." Or: "You can put $100 more in your bank account this year. The War of 1898 tax has finally been repealed." Or: "You no longer need fear being arrested because you grow a natural plant in your backyard. The marijuana prohibition has been lifted, although it will still be regulated as a drug. Next step: Amend the Constitution to give the Tenth Amendment some teeth, so the States can enforce it."

    Basically I'd be like Thomas Jefferson. (Or in modern terms: Ron Paul.)

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  9. Re:Why does only rape matter ? by Ihmhi · · Score: 2, Informative

    What about murder or theft?

    Well, virtual currency is considered equal to real currency in South Korea, and a man was arrested for virtual robbery in Britain. A Dutch Court punished a couple of teenage thieves as well. If I dug deeper I'm sure I could find more stories.

    On a WoW server, a group of mates and myself played highwaymen. One of us would be a scantily clad Dranei, and the others would be hidden near by. Stand and deliver! d:

  10. Re:Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition by general_re · · Score: 2, Informative

    Further, US ... laws ban simulated ... depictions of child abuse and pornography.

    Uh, not quite. See Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition, 535 U.S. 234 (2002).

    Yes, quite. See "PROTECT Act" (2003): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PROTECT_Act_of_2003 The short version is obscenity can, as always, be prosecuted, and the PROTECT Act remedied the missing element in CPPA, which was the law struck down in Ashcroft, thus once again allowing the prosecution of virtual child pornography found to be obscene.

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  11. Re:Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition by J'raxis · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's what I meant by "not quite." The law they passed afterward contains the "lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value" phrase oft found in obscenity laws, which makes it almost impossible to prosecute someone.