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Court Rules Photo of Memorial Violates Copyright

WhatDoIKnow sends in a story about an appeals court ruling in a singular case that might have the effect of narrowing "fair use" rights for transformative uses of artworks. "The sculptor who designed the Korean War memorial [in Washington DC] brought suit against the Postal Service after a photograph of his work was used on a postage stamp. Though first ruled protected by 'fair use,' on appeal the court ruled in favor (PDF) of the sculptor, Frank Gaylord, now 85."

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  1. I suppose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    he's more obnoxious than a Reserved Gaylord.

  2. isn't the memorial already in the public domain? by jjoelc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Silly me... I thought the point of a memorial was for it to be placed in the trust of (or outright given to) the public... That being the case, how does this decision affect other images of public art?

  3. Guess it was never ours by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Knock down his statue, break it into a million pieces, and send them all to his house using the infringing stamps.

  4. Does this post violate copyright law? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting
  5. Is this one of those... by xerent_sweden · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is this one of those... monumental rulings?

    1. Re:Is this one of those... by turing_m · · Score: 4, Funny

      Is this one of those... monumental rulings?

      TFA says that the government could petition the U.S. Supreme Court for review, so I take it that matters aren't yet... set in stone.

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  6. It's called a "stamp" not a "photo"... by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's okay to take a photo of a sculpture but it's not okay to use that photo to market your service, such as the way the USPS was trying to do with this stamp. This is part of the reason they make sure people are dead for a good long time before they honor them with a postage stamp.

  7. Re:isn't the memorial already in the public domain by nedlohs · · Score: 5, Informative

    from TFA:

    "she went over all of the available documents and found that they expressly kept those [IP] rights with Gaylord"

    So no the idiots at the Army Corps of Engineers who signed the contract for this didn't in fact get ownership of anything other than the physical sculpture.

  8. Fair Use by sys.stdout.write · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From the opinion...

    Fair use of a copyrighted work “for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright.

    17 U.S.C. 107

    This is the law. This is not how the Postal Service used his copyrighted work. As an aside, this is also not what Tenenbaum et al. did when they downloaded music.

    We shouldn't complain when judges use restraint and don't bastardize statutes.

    1. Re:Fair Use by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't think you understand copyright law. A finding of fair use requires that the derivative work survive the "four factor test". Mere inclusion in the category of "criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research" is neither neccessary nor sufficient for a finding of "fair use".

      The task is not to be simplified with bright line rules, for the statute, like the doctrine it recognizes, calls for case by case analysis. Harper & Row, 471 U. S., at 560; Sony, 464 U. S., at 448, and n. 31; House Report, pp. 65-66; Senate Report, p. 62. The text employs the terms "including" and "such as" in the preamble paragraph to indicate the "illustrative and not limitative" function of the examples given, 101; see Harper & Row, supra, at 561, which thus provide only general guidance about the sorts of copying that courts and Congress most commonly had found to be fair uses. Nor may the four statutory factors be treated in isolation, one from another. All are to be explored, and the results weighed together, in light of the purposes of copyright. See Leval 1110-1111; Patry & Perlmutter, Fair Use Misconstrued: Profit, Presumptions, and Parody, 11 Cardozo Arts & Ent. L. J. 667, 685-687 (1993) (hereinafter Patry & Perlmutter).

      Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music (92-1292), 510 U.S. 569 (1994).

  9. Not elected by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 4, Informative

    The U.S. Court of Federal Claims is comprised of 16 judges nominated by the president and confirmed by the Senate.

    Judge Thomas C Wheeler was nominated in June 05 and confirmed in October 05 for a 15 year term. His prior experience was 10 years as a lawyer for corporate law firm DLA Piper.

  10. This will get appealed again. by fluffy99 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The underlying problem is that copyrights were improperly assigned to Gaylord in the first place. Being under contract to the govt, those copyrights should have been assigned to the govt. In fact the contracting officer has been and still is demanding that those improperly assigned copyrights be turned over. The court wasn't allowed to challenge the validity of those copyrights and had to take them at face value.

    1. Re:This will get appealed again. by OzPeter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The underlying problem is that copyrights were improperly assigned to Gaylord in the first place.

      I think the word you are actually looking for is something like "erroneously" or "stupidly". It seems like the copyrights were properly assigned.

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  11. Statutory Damages... by Telephone+Sanitizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    17 million sales of $.37 stamps = 46 million or so stamps actually produced.

    Statutory damages can run from $750-$30,000 per copy, assuming that it wasn't a willful infringement.

    That's a minimum award of $34,500,000,000 (34.5 billion) and a maximum award of 1,380,000,000,000 (1.4 trillion). Plus attorney's fees, of course. Roughly last year's federal deficit not counting off-budget spending bills.

    Would anyone here care to argue that statutory damages in the U.S. are not way out of proportion to the scope of the infringement?

  12. Re:Stupid bureaucrats by Dachannien · · Score: 5, Informative

    From the court decision, Mr. Gaylord was paid $775k by the United States for his part of the work, and the primary contractor (who hired Mr. Gaylord directly) was paid over $5M (p. 5 of dissent).

    Personally, I'm rather confused as to how this case turned out this way. The dissent offers a very strong argument for why the government already has a license to use the artwork however it sees fit, and it also notes a federal law which should disqualify a claim against the government in this case. The US should at least try to get the CAFC to hear this case en banc, because it seems that the majority in this case overlooked some important details.

  13. A slap in the face to all American veterans. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is nothing more than a huge slap in the face to all American veterans, of any conflict.

    My grandfather was in Korea, and he made what's perhaps the most ultimate sacrifice short of his life: his genitals. Thankfully, he had three kids by the time he was sent over, one of them being my mother. But it still apparently left him a very changed man, more so than most veterans.

    I am glad that he is no longer around, to spare him from having to hear of this disgraceful ruling. Many of his friends' names were on that monument.

    1. Re:A slap in the face to all American veterans. by tuxgeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed
      If the sculptor wanted exclusive rights to this work in question, he should have put the thing in an art museum

      To place a war memorial in a national public arena should make it public domain.
      Whats next? Will he now go after and sue everyone that has snapped this thing with their point & shoot?

      I have a friend that is so disgusted with our government that he now votes against every incumbent that comes up for reelection
      Perhaps if we all took to this strategery, we could eventually rid ourselves of this scum that has fubar'd the country

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    2. Re:A slap in the face to all American veterans. by ae1294 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My grandfather was in Korea, and he made what's perhaps the most ultimate sacrifice short of his life: his genitals.

      Um... OK, I give up. How?

      A Korean whore kicked his grandfather in the nuts because he wasn't a big tipper... Honestly, who the fuck really cares exactly how or even if it and your post are nothing more than trolls (Which is my guess). The fact remains that people come back from war missing body parts all the time. Maybe it was a shell that went off, a landmine or some how a bullet. Perhaps a spider or snake bite or even some horrible VD. All of these things could happen and I'm sure most have happened. I don't think most men are going on Larry King to talk about it so even if it was just a troll message it totally failed because some place there is a grunt missing his pair because he severed his country just like I'm sure their are women now who served that are missing a breast.

      War tears up both a persons flesh and their minds. It fucking sucks...

    3. Re:A slap in the face to all American veterans. by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If it were necessary to be a native contemporary before understanding were possible, history would be unintelligible and diplomacy would be impossible. Non-nativity is not an intrinsic barrier to understanding.

      You, sir, are a douche. Especially since he's right, there is a fair chance the SCotUS will overturn this. And not only am I a native-born US citizen, but I have been a contractor for several parts of the federal government.

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    4. Re:A slap in the face to all American veterans. by tuxgeek · · Score: 5, Funny

      Your Q reminds me of an old joke

      Army guy got his nuts shot off on the battle field
      The doctor attending him jokes lightly "Looks like they got your ammunition"
      The soldier replies "They would have also gotten my gun if I hadn't been thinking of my wife's sister"

      Does that answer your question or do we need to draw you a picture?

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    5. Re:A slap in the face to all American veterans. by cusco · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why are there so many cases where there is a reversal

      To a great extent it's because Federal appeals court judges are political appointees, more often than not chosen because of their partisan politics rather than any sort of legal knowledge. No experience as a lower-court judge is necessary, for that matter a number of them have been appointed after spending all of their post-Bar Exam years lobbying or politicking rather than practicing law.

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    6. Re:A slap in the face to all American veterans. by Endo13 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nevermind the soldiers, what about the coats, helmets, guns, boots, etc. Someone designed all those things, which he so blithely copied without bothering to properly recognize artistic authorship.

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  14. Re:isn't the memorial already in the public domain by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Scary, or perhaps stupid, or even ridiculous. This was commissioned by Congress and occupies space in a public park. It belongs to the United States, so we should be able to use images of it just as we do with the other public buildings and monuments we own.

    And the Corps of Engineers should be able to take the damn thing to a safe place and blow it up. I'd rather see it destroyed than stand in mockery of the men it commemorates.

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  15. Re:isn't the memorial already in the public domain by nedlohs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's hardly the first time copyright law has been called stupid.

  16. Re:isn't the memorial already in the public domain by wbren · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think it's more about whether you're making profit from the picture...

    This is the US Post Office we're talking about here, so we don't have to worry about any profits being made...

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  17. They should have tried different legal strategies by Oxford_Comma_Lover · · Score: 5, Interesting

    IANAL, but I can see where fair use would be an appealing technique here, but the public trust might actually be the right way to argue this one. The argument to make would be that whoever signed the contract, and perhaps even the Congress, does not have the power to grant the artist a copyright good against the public in a case where, as in a monument, the work is commissioned for display at the seat of the federal government and for the public good. The monument is something created for and held in the public trust and as such, control over its use cannot be restricted to a single individual or corporation.

    The idea of the public trust overriding corporate ownership came up about a hundred years ago when a Railroad Company was arguing an older (1869, IIRC) act of the (corrupt) Illinois legislature had successfully given the railroad company title to a square mile of the lakebed of Lake Michigan. The court held that if the title had been valid, it certainly didn't survive a repeal of the original act, and in any event the State couldn't really give up control of its harbor to a private entity because that would violate the public trust.

    The environmental law folks pulled the public trust doctrine out of a drawer about 40 years ago, now, and it might have been useful here.

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  18. Vets sue Gaylord by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about all of the Korean vets sue Frank Gaylord for intruding on their IP. After all, they FOUGHT the war.

  19. Re:isn't the memorial already in the public domain by Volante3192 · · Score: 5, Informative

    USPS WAS operating in the green actually for most of the decade, up til 2007 when the increased gas prices really started to impact the bottom line. When you operate the largest vehicle fleet in the world, even a penny increase is going to be massively damaging..

    http://www.usps.com/history/anrpt07/summary.htm

    So yeah, it's fun to mock USPS, but it's not often warranted.

  20. Re:isn't the memorial already in the public domain by turbidostato · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "One of the best -- and most annoying -- examples is wedding photos, which the photographer usually retains rights to, even if he sells you prints."

    As long as you surrender your rights as a consumer it's no wonder others will abuse of that.

    I married two years ago and I made damn clear I was contracting a service and that all byproducts and associated rights from that service were my own. There were two phographers that didn't see it that way... well, they didn't get neither the copyright nor the money for the service.