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LG's Windows Phone 7 Series Early Prototype

suraj.sun writes to tell us that Engadget got an early look at the new Windows Phone 7 series early prototype (and included a video). "The QWERTY slider is the first branded Windows Phone 7 Series device the world's ever seen, and while the hardware and software are both obviously early, we can tell you a few things about it: it's just a hair thicker than an iPhone or Nexus One, there are dedicated hardware camera, volume, and power buttons in addition to the back, home, and search buttons dictated by Windows Phone 7 Series, and we noticed a five megapixel camera with a flash on the back, along with a headphone jack. Can't say much apart from that right now, since things are so early and everything is subject to change, but things are certainly moving along."

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  1. Another miss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've not seen a lot of the Win 7 Mobile UI but what I have seen suggests that Microsoft can't quite bring themselves to abandon desktop Windows style design elements in favor of things more appropriate to the small screen of a handheld.

    This sums it up well. If you put those same screenshots next to an Android phone you'd have the same result. Win 7 Mobile wastes a lot of space and spends a lot of time looking whizzy, without really accomplishing anything. Animating every action was forgivable 10 years ago in bad powerpoint presentations. It isn't any longer.

    1. Re:Another miss by Hijacked+Public · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That link is being gone over on Edward Tufte's site, although I wouldn't expect Tufte to have any love for anything Microsoft.

      I played with a prototype windows 7 phone about a month ago and they are using the paradigm of making the desktop larger than the screen almost everywhere and it is incredibly annoying.

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    2. Re:Another miss by r_naked · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When I first saw the new WinMo 7 interface, I thought that the UI was chopping off parts of words because it wasn't finished, or wasn't quite designed for the phone they were demonstrating it on. Now that I know that is how they WANT it to look, this has fail written all over it. It is ugly and cluttered, and given that this was *supposedly* a ground up re-write, I don't know WHAT they were thinking.

      Bottom line, this sucks. There are 4 (maybe 5) major "smartphone" players:

      Apple - iPhone - I have one, and I LOVE it as long as I can keep it jailbroken. But every new firmware release Apple wants to make it harder.

      Google - Android - Google had a good idea, but the potential downfall of that good idea has come to fruition -- market fragmentation. I won't be getting an Android phone until I am sure that things will become(remain?) stable.

      RIM - Blackberry - A couple of problems with these for me. 1 - They are mainly business phones, and therefore not my forte. 2 - I *like* the touch interface, and RIM doesn't have a decent Blackberry with a touch interface.

      Microsoft - WinMo series - It wasn't until WinMo 6.5 that they *finally* got an OK touch only interface. I don't want to have to use a pointer to use my phone. Unfortunately there is still a lot of software that needs that pointer -- so MS came out with WinMo 7, with no backwards compatibility (that has been seen yet -- and I don't think there will be any), but the interface is aweful even for alphaware.

      Palm - Pre - This was my "maybe" 5th contender. Palm has a great phone here IMHO, however, they haven't released a GSM version, so it is useless to me. People in other marker areas may hate AT&T, but in the market I am in I can consistently get 2.5megs/sec down and never have a dropped call. So, until Palm releases a Pre for AT&T, they are useless to me.

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    3. Re:Another miss by sznupi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Aren't you forgetting about Symbian?...

      You know, that smarthpone OS which almost has more marketshare than all the platforms you mentioned, combined...

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    4. Re:Another miss by rsborg · · Score: 2, Informative

      Aren't you forgetting about Symbian?... You know, that smarthpone OS which almost has more marketshare than all the platforms you mentioned, combined...

      The GP poster is clearly from the USA as he refers to AT&T being his preferred provider. According to Wikipedia, Symbian smartphone marketshare in the USA lags others

      Symbian has the largest share in most markets worldwide, but lags behind other companies in the relatively small but highly visible North American market.

      Furthermore, it's not actually clear that Nokia smartphones are even sold by providers here, meaning they're at a disadvantage due to the consumer having to pay full price for the handset + the normal subscription rates and contract duration.

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    5. Re:Another miss by radish · · Score: 2, Informative

      On the other hand, I think it's the best looking Smartphone UI out there, bar none. I hate Android (and hate even more the fragmentation and inconsistency brought by mods like Blur), Blackberry is yawn inducing and the iPhone is starting to look a little long in the tooth. The Pre is nice but I'll be honest - I've never used it in person so can't really comment. From sheer visual appeal though - WinMo7 wins for me.

      I've played with a Zune HD (which WinMo7 is based on) and it's great - really nice to use and it looks fantastic. This, to me, is as "wow" as iPhone was the first time I saw it.

      Personal opinion, taste, YMMV, etc.

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  2. Do not want! by Twigmon · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well... I would like that phone with android installed on it ;)

    1. Re:Do not want! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Android hit the nail on the head when it comes to device usability.

      The programming structure that allows applications to easily call parts of other applications has delivered what I see as unprecedented inter-connectivity between mobile applications, which has increased mobile productivity for me on a personal level.

      Example: I was out of town and looking for a Bank of America ATM. BoA has a mobile application for online banking that allows me to do all the usual things that I can do from my computer (see balances, transactions, do transfers between accounts, etc).

      The application also had a location search. The application was able to grab my position from GPS and do a search for ATMs nearest to that location, display the results within the application using an instance of google maps. From there, I was able to select navigation and was asked if I wanted to complete the action using google navigation or telenav.

      That type of action with start-to-finish prompting and inclusion from the device is the new standard in mobile usability as far as I'm concerned. Not too long ago I would have had to find the location online and type it into my navigation application manually, and depending on previous device the online search may have been quite tedious.

      Now from what I've seen, WP7S seems to take that idea to the Nth degree, with a slick interface designed around that level of mobile productivity and usability.

      I love the android platform, especially its "open-ness" (the degree of which varies depending on which device manufacturer and mobile network provider you go with), but I am certainly willing to reserve my judgment of WP7S until I can go hands-on with a device.

      Holiday season this year will be interesting as my carrier (sprint) was listed as a launch partner for WP7S, and also looks to be launching an amazing 4.3" screen/1ghz processor android phone, both just as my upgrade comes up. I want the android phone, but I also want to see what WP7S has to offer before I make any decisions.

  3. Re:This is News? by sakdoctor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    FAR less information than this, routinely gets posted in the Apple section.

  4. Worst. Name. Ever. by Eponymous+Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who names this stuff? Windows Phone 7 Series? Microsoft has virtually unlimited resources. How can their marketing be so awful?

    1. Re:Worst. Name. Ever. by NEDHead · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Let us consider: Microsoft is normally ridiculed for inferior products, yet frequently has dominant market share. So how is Microsoft marketing a failure?

    2. Re:Worst. Name. Ever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This may be changing...

      Its not a popular point of view here on slashdot, but I had a zune and thought it was far superior to the ipod. It was cheaper, had an FM tuner, and the software was IMHO easier to use than itunes, did all the same video things as an ipod, and was easy to use as an external hd. I never really understood why there was hate for the Zune on /. aside from the typical MS animosity.

      But the Zune never achieved the Ipod's popularity, even though my friends that had them loved them. I stopped using mine when I got an iphone 3gs, but my gf still uses hers when working out as it is far lighter.

      My point is that MS's marketing couldn't make the Zune a success, and they only had middling success pushing their windows mobile devices even though about 3 years ago, they sucked just as bad as all the other locked down and buggy crap that palm and others were pushing.

      One could say that MS either hasn't done a good job with their marketing since the 90's, or that they have never had much success pushing anything other than pure software, aside maybe from video game consoles, and input devices.

  5. Re:Solid Clock Display by Akido37 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would say if it is half as popular as the Zune, Microsoft has nothing to worry about.

    If it's half as popular as Zune, Google/Apple/Nokia/Palm/etc have nothing to worry about.

  6. Dreadful UI experie by linuxci · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can't stand the WP7S UI, it just seems irritating. It's designed so nothing fits on the screen, even the date displayed on the pic in the article is truncated. To access anything you'll need to move horizontal and vertical.

    It reminds me back in the days of 14" monitors. I remember that in Linux I could set up X to use a much higher resolution than the monitor supported and then you'd use the mouse to pan around the screen. I hated that then, I hate it now.

    Make things fit on the screen where possible, scroll only when necessary.

    Microsoft is just trying to look fancy with no thought on usability. You'd get tired of all this very quickly.

    1. Re:Dreadful UI experie by wh1pp3t · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The difference between the implementation of X and WP7 is the Microsoft version has hard points in which the 'desktop' is viewed, whereas X was free floating. IMO, MS should move horizontally OR vertically (not both) since it would be easy to get lost.
      If done properly, I don't see an issue. However, as you stated -- the chances of it being a nuisance are very high if not done properly.

  7. Monopoly means... by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let us consider: Microsoft is normally ridiculed for inferior products, yet frequently has dominant market share. So how is Microsoft marketing a failure?

    Because Monopoly means you don't necessarily have to market (or market well), most customers are forced to come to you, like it or not.

    For instance, there are still a fair number of people that MUST have Windows Mobile phones because that is what the corporation will buy for them.

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    1. Re:Monopoly means... by copponex · · Score: 3, Informative

      For instance, there are still a fair number of people that MUST have Windows Mobile phones because that is what the corporation will buy for them.

      Do you know of any other vendor that offers enterprise grade solutions for the same price point?

      As time goes on, I'm sure we'll see a few corporations on Linux / Android, or OS X Server / iPhone, but for now, the best option for ROI is Windows and its derivatives.

  8. Re:Yeah, about the software by ircmaxell · · Score: 2, Informative

    The hardware rundown even sounds identical to the Motorola Droid (Hardware keyboard, volume rocker, power button, camera button, 5mp camera, flash)... Not saying that it's an uncommon configuration, but given that they compared it to the iPhone and NexusOne, what about comparing it to the other flagship Android device (the one that's the most popular in the USA)?

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  9. Re:reset button? by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's a shaking motion. The designers thought that the most used motion should be used to the mostly needed command, and every phone has an acceleration sensor these days. Also, if something is not working, users shake the device automatically. Some of the designers suggested that this should be coupled to the user shouting "HELLO!", but that had some internationally challenging problems.

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  10. Re:reset button? by ILikeRed · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now those rumors about Microsoft purchasing the Shake-Weight company makes perfect sense - the paring on sales at Amazon are going to skyrocket Shake-Weight sales. Running low on energy always reseting your phone from a BSOD? Get Shake-Weight and have the arm strength you need to reset any Microsoft phone....

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  11. Sorry but... by rinoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Linking to Engadget is barely allowed at /.

    Linking to Engadget stories with lame ass videos that don't even show the product is punishable by ruler slaps!

  12. Nokia avoids key markets. by WiiVault · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The thing about Symbian is that it really isn't a "global" player despite having a large marketshare. No matter what you think about the US it is a primary source of SW development as well as hype and branding. Nokia for some unknown reason has essentially abandoned the American market starting about 5 years ago. You can find them here and there but back in the day everybody owned a Nokia. Today it just simply isn't on the radar of Americans or more importantly the significant American software and services companies. You won't for instance ever see a Nokia featured in American TV or films. The smartphone industry is in many ways a popularity contest ignoring a significant market, especially one as culturally influential as the US is just plain dumb. Hopefully they will smarten up but until then the hype and interested will be on RIM, Apple, and Google. Mindshare is powerfull stuff.

  13. Nokia wasn't allowed in one market by sznupi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First - yeah, US market is important but...don't overestimate its importance in relation to the rest of the world. It's quite atypical market. Look how well Nokia is doing in the rest of the world anyway, with them being the only major cellphone manufacturer that's very profitable (others are either out of the market, struggling financially, or mobile phones are far from vast majority of their business; RIM might be an exception - though do they sell phones or corporate/carrier service?)

    Secondly, it's not much of a mystery why Nokia isn't really present in the US - several years ago (when mobiles really started becoming more than voice + sms) it refused excessive castration of its phones, which was demanded by US cellphone carriers...and there you go.

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  14. MS has to compete and they fail by Ilgaz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Monopoly with low quality of code. On a device which requires high quality and efficient code, they fail since there is Symbian, Maemo Apple etc. there.

    On Desktop, inefficient code and security issues can be fixed with high speed cpu and security software. On devices, device needs reboot middle of a phone call or has comical battery life. The king on current smart phones is Apple, there is also RIM (Java, imagine!), Nokia (Symbian was developed for mobile) and Google giant. MS enjoys (!) the fact that they have to compete and they really think people like Windows. They don't. It is some de-facto reality rather than choice.

  15. Apple avoids most markets by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Informative

    *yawn* Pro-Apple tactic #434 - redefine "market share" to mean something else.

    Not to mention that you confuse yourself. If you want to say that it's only the US market that matters (obviously I'm irrelevant, here in the UK), that's all very well, but you start off by saying they're not a global player. Which is it? Globally, Nokia are the market leader, by far. Globally, Apple are behind Nokia, LG, Samsung, Motorola, and RIM.

    But even if we're talking only of the US, let's see some citations on market share for the entire mobile market (i.e., not some ill-defined "smartphone" market which artifically resticts the market to the Iphone and a few other handpicked devices)?

    You won't for instance ever see a Nokia featured in American TV or films.

    So Nokia don't use product placement as advertising on American TV. Big deal. Maybe they don't need to.

    Mindshare is powerfull stuff.

    By "Mindshare", you mean "What I think is best". Well I think different to you.