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New Chrome Beta Adds Privacy Controls, Translation Option

billandad writes "Anyone would think the timing was deliberate; just as Microsoft is forced into giving users the option to switch from IE via the browser ballot screen, so Google introduces a new Chrome beta with enhanced privacy features to chisel away at Microsoft's market share. '... you can control how browser cookies, images, JavaScript, plug-ins, and pop-ups are handled on a site-by-site basis. For example, you can set up cookie rules to allow cookies specifically only for sites that you trust, and block cookies from untrusted sites.' The new beta also adds language detection, and will prompt the user to translate a page if it's written in a foreign tongue."

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  1. A bright future for the web... by levell · · Score: 4, Informative

    And Opera 10.50 has just been released too, the first version of Opera with <Video> tag support.

    With Chrome, Safari and Firefox all evolving quickly, the future of the web is looking good. I just wish they would all support an open, royalty-free codec.

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    1. Re:A bright future for the web... by buruonbrails · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yep, the future of the web is looking good, except for IE that is lagging behind. I wonder, why MS wouldn't just get over it and discontinue the development of its monstrous browser. They've lost the browser war, why wouldn't they put their resources elsewhere?
      At least IE8 is better than its predecessors and IE9 looks even better, but still..

    2. Re:A bright future for the web... by jaymz666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Netscape also had the largest userbase when they lost.

    3. Re:A bright future for the web... by zach_the_lizard · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'll believe that IE9 is up to par with the other browsers when I see it; from what I have heard, they have no plans to add things like the video tag to IE9, so that's at least one thing that will not be up to par with the rest of the world. I have a friend who works at MS and he forwarded my complaints about the lack of the video tag and canvas tag, and the IE guys didn't even seem to have that on the agenda.

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    4. Re:A bright future for the web... by sopssa · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Video tag is such a mess currently that I'm not surprised if they didn't spend much of their energy on it. Also, if they did, it means they'll side with Apple and Google to H.264's side. This leaves Firefox and Opera alone with Theora. It's not that IE9 isn't up to par with video tag support, it's that video tag itself is far from ready. We will still be using Flash for a long time.

      If I remember correctly, they do have canvas support and improved javascript performance though, and most importantly, they're going for standards compliance.

    5. Re:A bright future for the web... by sopssa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      while IE doesn't generate direct revenue. The main reason why they are spending resources on IE is to promote Bing and a number of other products.

      So, just like Firefox, Chrome and Opera then?

      It doesn't really matter if browsers don't generate direct revenue. Indirect revenue is still revenue just as well. Mozilla cashes in $78.6 million (2008) a year, and they don't even have the marketshare of IE and that was in 2008.

    6. Re:A bright future for the web... by Inner_Child · · Score: 4, Informative

      Too bad Opera won't be part of that since literally no one uses it.

      You don't know what 'literally' means, do you?

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    7. Re:A bright future for the web... by abigsmurf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      After their experience with IE6, I think it's very unlikely Microsoft will be the first to implement any yet-to-be-standardised tags.

  2. Choices by eeg3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am glad to see Chrome coming along so well, it's nice having 5 legitimate choices to use (IE, Firefox, Opera, Chrome, Safari). The competition is driving improvements, and it's the users that are benefiting. There are still some WebApps that I have to use IE or Firefox for, but now that Chrome has extensions (delicious bookmarks, IEtab, etc.) it has been my browser of choice.

    1. Re:Choices by SimonTheSoundMan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Coming along so well?

      They haven't even implemented simple things such as a bookmark manager or extensions on a Mac yet. It has a looong way to go.

    2. Re:Choices by cerberusss · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They haven't even implemented simple things such as a bookmark manager or extensions on a Mac yet. It has a looong way to go.

      Extensions work on the Mac beta version. I don't use bookmarks, so can't comment on that.

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    3. Re:Choices by Skip1952 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Bookmark manager works on my Mac version 5.0.335.0 dev, so it's coming to a Chrome near you soon I would guess.

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    4. Re:Choices by BrokenHalo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I suspect bookmarks have become a thing of the past. I have one hell of a lot of them, but my typical resource these days is a Google enquiry. 99% of the time it gets me just what I need, and that's fine.

      Over the last 18 years or so I have taken some pains to maintain a logical and useful bookmarks file, but I've approached a limit. I can foresee a time in the not too distant future when I will stop bothering to manage or even keep bookmarks at all. The drawback to this is that Google has that much more control over what I get to see, but if I voluntarily cede that control through laziness, what more can I expect?

  3. I'm still looking for another feature.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ..where some websites have allowed cookies that don't get deleted on browser exit [firefox]
    I have the clearing history enabled (for cookies and logins only), but every time not only the "untrusted cookies" are deleted, but also the "trusted" ones. Default rule is to store cookies until I close Firefox.

    I searched for extensions, but no luck.

    A whitelist based on some cookies criteria (regexp or such) would be the icing on the cake.

  4. Re:Google? Privacy? by TSHTF · · Score: 4, Informative

    You don't have to "trust" their browser at all.

    The source code for Chrome is freely available. If you find any features that are unfriendly towards privacy, you're free to modify the source.

  5. Re:Beta products from Google! by IBBoard · · Score: 2, Informative

    They passed 1.0 a long while ago. Chromium is up at 5.0 and Chrome is already beyond 4.0!

  6. Re:Google? Privacy? by nellim · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Okay - chromium can be made safe, but not Chrome. Chrome + Vbox machine + Wireshark = Proof of concept. Chrome talks to google servers no matter what settings you put them on. Good luck with privacy.

  7. Will we ever have control over flash cookies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It seems no browser offers the functionality to wipe those out, and yet they can contain malicious code (there was a recent infection at the office).

    *praying for the demise of flash*

    1. Re:Will we ever have control over flash cookies? by maxwell+demon · · Score: 3, Informative

      It seems no browser offers the functionality to wipe those out, and yet they can contain malicious code (there was a recent infection at the office).

      You might be interested in the BetterPrivacy plugin for Firefox.

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  8. Re:Google? Privacy? by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm a bit the same. On technical grounds, I'd like to use Chrome instead of the increasingly bloated Firefox, and given sufficient privacy and security safeguards I could live without the other plug-ins I use.

    But Chrome comes from Google, and releases often with an auto-updating mechanism. Given both Google's form for being wildly off-target on privacy issues (Buzz, etc.) and the openly dismissive/arrogant attitude exhibited by some of their senior executives, I just don't trust them not to pull a fast one and start logging every page I visit, or sneaking in ads at the browser level, or something along those lines.

    Perhaps this could theoretically be avoided by careful checking of the small print before each update, or adjusting certain settings so things don't happen automatically, but I don't want to have to do that sort of thing just to be able to update my web browser safely and make sure no-one's sneaked anything in. I'll just use another browser instead.

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  9. Re:Google? Privacy? by sopssa · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's the usual trick. The privacy settings conveniently ignore any such issue and only concentrate on the client side things like "private tab" or cookie handling. Of course, if you don't want to go completely white-list based (and most users don't), there's no way to explicitly block certain domains like google-analytics.com.

    Of course it's convenient for Google to call only that privacy and completely ignore the fact that every Chrome installation has identifier about where you downloaded it, when you installed it, an unique identifier, everything you type to browser bar is sent to Google, any domain you visit is sent to Google, and so on...

  10. Privacy by Mr_Silver · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... so Google introduces a new Chrome beta with enhanced privacy features to chisel away at Microsoft's market share.

    I'm guessing that the "enhanced privacy features" doesn't yet extend to being able to turn off the RLZ identifier?

    (Good job we have SRWare Iron instead)

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    1. Re:Privacy by Goaway · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Iron was created by a person who's admitted that he's spreading FUD about Google just to drive traffic to his site so he can make money off his ads. Is that the kind of project you want to cheer for?

  11. Hidden in plain sight by westlake · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You don't have to "trust" their browser at all. The source code for Chrome is freely available. If you find any features that are unfriendly towards privacy, you're free to modify the source.

    If - and only if - you can read and understand the source.

    If - and only if - you have the programming skills - and the time - to produce a well-behaved modification.

    I am tempted to argue that when a program reaches a certain size or complexity the difference between closed and open source becomes academic.

    1. Re:Hidden in plain sight by ChienAndalu · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You haven't read all the source code of Firefox I suppose?

    2. Re:Hidden in plain sight by icebraining · · Score: 3, Informative

      Or: if you can have someone do it for you. See SRWare Iron.

    3. Re:Hidden in plain sight by Goaway · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Iron is basically a scam by some guy who bashes Google to drive more traffic to his Google Ads. Don't encourage an asshole by using his browser.

      (And why on earth would you trust some random guy on the internet in the first place?)

    4. Re:Hidden in plain sight by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You don't have to depend on your own programming skills to understand the source.

      If Chromium includes some huge privacy issue - don't you think someone who HAS gone through the source might have mentioned it?

  12. Re:Google? Privacy? by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Look at SRWare Iron - Chrome without the Google tie-in

    Edit: There is an HORRIFIC flash slide-in advertisement in their site. Easy to close, innocuous content, but it appears on Every. Single. Page. I just decided not to update my version of Iron.

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  13. Security changes won't make me switch by odin84gk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Security features are nice, but they aren't a selling point. I won't change browsers to prevent tracking cookies. I don't know that much about javascript, and I don't mind most of the ads that I see. Ad block plus has been doing just fine with the pop-ups, and I don't care about those other things.

    Translating foreign pages? That is interesting. I run into a fair amount of Chinese datasheets.

    Just give me the web page as fast as possible, and keep my videos as smooth as possible. After that, I don't really care.

    1. Re:Security changes won't make me switch by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Security features are nice, but they aren't a selling point.

      They may not be a selling point for you, but they are for some other people. You wouldn't want the content of your bank account transparently transferred to some criminal's bank account by some malicious JavaScript running due to an XSS attack on your bank's web site. Just to give an example what JavaScript can do.

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  14. Re:Google? Privacy? by sopssa · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Within Chrome. Of course you can use some 3rd party apps, but that's not an excuse not to have it.

    Also just FYI, Ad blockers on Chrome don't stop the http requests being made, they just hide ads. It's useless for blocking data gathering services because your info is still being sent.

  15. Re:Google? Privacy? by Goaway · · Score: 4, Informative

    Good choice. Iron is a very questionable project, and the developer has admitted that he's just spreading FUD about Google to drive traffic to his site to make money off ads.

    Also, http://neugierig.org/software/chromium/notes/2009/12/iron.html

  16. Re:Google? Privacy? by jez9999 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    But Chrome comes from Google, and releases often with an auto-updating mechanism

    To be fair, Firefox comes with a very aggressive, annoying (IMHO) update mechanism built in and enabled by default.

  17. Updates by gambit3 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Does it also allow for control over Auto Updates?

  18. Re:Interface by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The main reason I use Chrome is because of the excellent interface. When maximized, the tabs push right against the screen edge. I've not seen any app that makes such efficient usage of screen real estate. I've tried to configure FireFox, using TinyMenu to reduce the amount of white space. But it's still not as efficient.

    Chrome had set a new trend for browser UIs. For example, the just-released Opera 10.50, out of the box, largely copies Chrome UI in default configuration, complete with tabs-in-title-bar. I suspect Firefox will follow suit eventually.