Slashdot Mirror


Freescale's Cheap Chip Could Mean Sub-$99 E-Readers

eldavojohn writes "Last week, Freescale Semiconductor announced their i.MX508 chip and a few days ago released a rather bland and boring announcement that it's available. But there was at least one interesting line from that press release, 'The i.MX508 applications processor is expected to be priced at less than $10 (USD) in quantities greater than 250K units.' Yes, less than ten dollars. This sparked a wave of articles detailing how this new chip will allow the sub-$99 e-reader to emerge and according to market research, consumers are thirsty for something much more affordable than the Kindle."

39 of 158 comments (clear)

  1. But what about the cost of e-ink? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I seriously doubt it's the processor that's causing the Kindle to be so high priced. It's most likely the costs of using the e-ink screens.

    1. Re:But what about the cost of e-ink? by godrik · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I also think that the display is the main cost. But the network interface are not that cheap as well. And I think the main cost of the kindle may be the 3G internet access.

    2. Re:But what about the cost of e-ink? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The cellular hardware probably doesn't help either(for that matter, it isn't exactly clear, at least not from publicly available figures, how much of the cost of the bandwidth is baked into the cost of ebooks and how much is baked into the cost of the device). You can already get cheaper(albeit generally content-storeless) e-ink devices without that hardware.

      That said, BoM savings are a good thing no matter where they occur. If they felt the need to trumpet the price in the press release, the new chip is presumably cheaper, or embeds what were previously distinct peripheral chips, or both.

    3. Re:But what about the cost of e-ink? by Mitsoid · · Score: 3, Informative

      iSuppli reports the cost of the display modile is ESTIMATED at $60
      I put estimated in capital letters as TFA I linked says its an estimate.
      Anyway, Just throwing that out there for those curious about the cost breakdown

    4. Re:But what about the cost of e-ink? by confused+one · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, based on what you've linked to the Kindle processor is only $8.64. The new processor incorporates features that represent another $8.71 worth of IC's. So, this new processor reduces the price an estimated $7 over what's in the Kindle. Still, any improvement helps.

    5. Re:But what about the cost of e-ink? by h4rr4r · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For 90% of users I bet the cellular hardware could just be removed. Just have it load books via usb mass storage or via an itunes like app.

    6. Re:But what about the cost of e-ink? by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      See, that's what the sensible person would think. But note, if you loaded books via USB, how could they tether you to their expensive online bookstore? How would they upsell to you? Gasp - you might even buy PDFs from a competitor!

      --
      Scientists point out problems, engineers fix them
      altslashdot.org: The future of slashdot.
    7. Re:But what about the cost of e-ink? by sznupi · · Score: 2, Informative

      That Motorola phone doesn't have a raster display though; it has preset symbols + alphanumeric display (similar to 7-segment displays of classic calculators)

      --
      One that hath name thou can not otter
    8. Re:But what about the cost of e-ink? by obarthelemy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, I think a full Bluetooth implementation should be enough:
      - via tethering to your non-castrated phone, it give you 3G on your ereader. Sorry, iFans :-p
      - it can give you LAN access
      - if can give you ethernet acces at home via your PC

      --
      The Cloud - because you don't care if your apps and data are up in the air.
    9. Re:But what about the cost of e-ink? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      My wife's ECTACO jetbook lite was about HALF the cost of the kindle.

      When I tried to explain to her I had a limited budget when buying for her (it was an xmas present), she said she loved it, and asked me "why the f*** would anyone want wireless on a book reader?" I told her it was for purchasing books on the go.
      Her reply was "I have a perfectly good computer for that, and at least TWO ways to get them onto this thing". All the arguments about "value" when it comes to reader costs just kinda deflated in the face of such logic.

      Point is, if you don't act like say, Apple and try to control everything on your device, there is no need for the extra costs based on projected usage patterns, or worse still, suggested usage patterns. I'll use my device the way I see fit.

      She's perfectly happy now with 'bookbook' as it has been nicknamed.

    10. Re:But what about the cost of e-ink? by electrosoccertux · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nah, they pay for the recurring 3G cost through ebook sales.

    11. Re:But what about the cost of e-ink? by Minwee · · Score: 2, Informative

      Gasp - you might even buy PDFs from a competitor!

      Yes, you might. And then you can load them directly through USB. Onto your Kindle, without paying Amazon a penny for the privilege. Funny how that works.

  2. Absolutely by Pojut · · Score: 5, Interesting

    consumers are thirsty for something much more affordable than the Kindle.

    I know I sure as hell am. The price of entry is the only thing that has stopped me from getting an eReader. I would love to not go over $100 for a good-quality eReader, but $150 would be my firm limit. I realize that e-ink screens are the primary thing driving the prices up for now, but hopefully with things like this new chip combined with new processes of putting together e-ink screens will bring the price down.

    Despite how much I complain about it around here, I would be willing to pay the same if not slightly higher for ebooks as I would for dead tree books if only the eReader itself wasn't so damn expensive.

    1. Re:Absolutely by OzPeter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I know I sure as hell am. The price of entry is the only thing that has stopped me from getting an eReader.

      Having played around with a B&N Nook and one of the Sony ones, the slow speed of the page changing drove me nuts. I realize that it is a feature/side effect of e-ink, but I can't ever see myself getting used to the whole flashing/slow page turning thing. No matter what the price.

      --
      I am Slashdot. Are you Slashdot as well?
    2. Re:Absolutely by samuraiz · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I have more than $260 worth of shelving for my dead tree books, and I buy cheap shelves. There are infrastructure costs associated with any kind of book ownership.

    3. Re:Absolutely by FlyingBishop · · Score: 2, Funny

      Both are significantly faster and easier than a book.

    4. Re:Absolutely by armyofone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bookshelves full of books look nicer than YAGLAOTKC, (yet another gizmo laying around on the kitchen counter)... :-p

      --
      "A revolution without dancing is... a revolution not worth having"
    5. Re:Absolutely by StayFrosty · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm going to wait to see if there's another revolution in book stores (Google Books, or something similar) that doesn't lock me into just one...

      Pretty much all e-readers with the exception of the kindle use the epub format. No matter what e-reader you get you are not really licked in to any book store. You just download the book from whatever bookstore or other souce and copy it to the e-reader. Most bookstores these days sell in the epub format so that makes everything nice and easy. I've even seen a few libraries start "lending" ebooks in the epub and pdf formats as well.

      --
      "Frequently wrong, never in doubt."
  3. Going down. by aBaldrich · · Score: 2, Funny

    2008 $99 laptop
    2009 $99 netbook
    2010 $99 ereader

    Yes, the ereader will run Linux.

    --
    In soviet russia the government regulates the companies.
    1. Re:Going down. by h4rr4r · · Score: 2, Insightful

      $99 netbooks exist. Google for chinese mips based netbooks.

    2. Re:Going down. by rwa2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      On the bright side, you can get a half decent Palm Z22 for under $100 now. Load up Plucker and a bunch of books and websites sync'd via Sunrise-Desktop and you're set for a few weeks. Also with TCPMP you can play back music and movies. And it comes with a much better PIM than Android and maybe even iPhone.

      Yes, I'm still holding out with my Palm T|X. Bluetooth tethering to a $10/mo. unlimited wap data plan, where I can access ssh, vnc, and much of the web with Opera Mini. Haven't found anything much better to upgrade to yet. Just wish Google Maps Mobile would update their PalmOS Garnet client :P

  4. Really wont change the price by quo_vadis · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to isuppli's teardown of the kindle the E Ink display is $60. The main processor (made by Freescale) is ~$8. The EPD chip, which is what becomes redundant adds only $4.31 to the BOM. The main point is you cannot expect E Ink based readers to get any cheaper any time soon. Any price cuts will only come about due to increased competition from different technologies like Pixel Qi's, or by sacrificing things like onboard wireless (which adds ~$40 to the cost of the Kindle).

    --
    Legally obligatory sig : My opinions are my own... etc etc
    1. Re:Really wont change the price by gad_zuki! · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >by sacrificing things like onboard wireless (which adds ~$40 to the cost of the Kindle).

      Its not wifi chips that are expensive its the EVDO and the deal Amazon has with Sprint that's expensive. I dont need a EVDO ebook reader. Wifi is good enough. Just give me an offline option if I cant get it on wifi someplace (copy file to USB drive and insert it into ebook reader). Really, there's a huge hole in the market for sub $150 dollar ebook readers. Its probably doable with a smaller eink screen and lack of bell and whistles. The Sony pocket edition reader is pretty close.

    2. Re:Really wont change the price by indiechild · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They could also burn money and give stuff away for free.

      Loss leaders are not generally a good idea if you want to make progress in business.

      I think this race to the bottom with prices is really foolish. It forces the gadget maker to cut corners and quality and do all sorts of silly stuff. Competing on rock bottom prices is for suckers.

  5. Cheaper than the Kindle, and OPEN. by RiffRafff · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Cheaper than the Kindle, and OPEN. Meet those two criteria and they'll sell by the boat-load.

    --
    "I might have made a tactical error in not going to a physician for 20 years." -- Warren Zevon
    1. Re:Cheaper than the Kindle, and OPEN. by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except most consumers don't care about something being "open".

    2. Re:Cheaper than the Kindle, and OPEN. by thesandtiger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Obviously, you are wrong. I mean, that's why the iPod failed, why iTunes hasn't sold more than a handful of songs, and why Linux has 95% of the desktop marketshare.

      It's like you live in an alternate reality or something!

      --
      Since I can't tell them apart, I treat all ACs as the same person.
  6. I was saying when i saw the Kindle... by TrippTDF · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...it's got a lot of "wow" factor, but just wait for the price on the technology to drop before you buy one- eventually, the e-ink tech is going to become as ubiquitous as the flash drive. Amazon did a good job of creating a great device, but eventually there are going to be so many clones out there that locking yourself into Amazon's platform (essentilly, Amazon was copying iTunes model) at such an early start might hit your pocketbook kinda hard... Just wait for cheap-ass readers, and then the publishing industry to set up their own store(s).

    This is going to be an interesting battleground, especially in the education text-book market.

  7. e-Ink displays by future+assassin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How about someone just creates an e-ink display and no processor that can be hooked up to net/note book.

    --
    by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
  8. refresh by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I agree that a lower price point is desirable but I'm still planning to wait until the page refresh process on these things is more acceptable. There is an annoying delay for every page turn, and most of the ereaders I've played with (at least 20 different models at CES this year) have a really annoying black screen in between page turns while the e-ink particles rearrange themselves. The delay and rearranging isn't so bad if you are just reading one book at a time always from start to finish, but it becomes really frustrating if you are skipping around or browsing through various documents and you want to navigate from one document to another like you might do while web browsing or working with legal briefs, etc. I would love to see e-ink technology improve to the point that one can use these things for browsing large quantities of documents -- this would be an incredible tool for researchers and educators. I'd be willing to pay current $250+ prices for one of these that was usable for such tasks, but at the moment we're still a couple years away from that.

    1. Re:refresh by Dare+nMc · · Score: 2, Informative

      FYI, the nook has Trook as a unsupported add-on that does exactly this. It is really the perfect reader for news, it pulls the rss feed, and you browse the headlines like a iPhone finger motions. You click the articles you want and it pulls them from wifi to the Big screen.
      I have never had a better browsing experience. But it still is complete crap for a site like slashdot where you may want to enter data at some point... (you can, but the small touch keyboard is useable...)
      It is actually really easy to install, simply stick a micro-sd card into the nook back panel, download the latest firmware from Trook, copy it to the device with USB, turn the nook all the way off, and back on holding the page turn button. done. May void warranty, YMMV...
      The only downside, is the nook screen is so nice for viewing, it makes reading text from my PC noticeably sucky now.

  9. How about focusing on functionality instead of $ by JumpDrive · · Score: 2, Informative

    The main reason I don't buy an eReader is a cost vs functionality. Most of the books I read, can be obtained in pdf format. So buying a computer with ability to read pdf format is more cost effective. Now if the functionality were to be increased so that I could take a pdf document and bookmark pages, scribble notes on it and such I would be happier with an eReader. There are some versions of eReaders which have this functionality, but in some cases I've heard you can lose this information. Maybe they should be thinking about eBooks being a lot cheaper or how about transitional marketing. Something where if you buy the hard copy you can obtain the electronic copy for free. Then I could better determine whether it's right for me. But then we are back to the entry level cost and the difference in cost between an eBook vs paper. Some of the books I have seen are advertised as $47 for paper and $44 for the electronic copy. So where do I come out ahead, yeah if most of my reading was fiction then it would be okay, but 90% of my reading is technical.

  10. Re:Why would I want one again? by c++0xFF · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For pleasure-reading, I completely agree.

    But I want to go to classes with my e-reader and some paper, instead of my body weight in textbooks (which I may or may not need that day). I don't care about "enhanced content" (who actually uses the CD that comes with hardcover textbooks?) .. just give me a note-taking application, a good calculator and possibly access to my email.

  11. Re:Why would I want one again? by Chad+Birch · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I like being able to hold (and turn the pages of) what would otherwise be an 800-page hardcover book in one hand while standing on the train, then slip it in my jacket pocket when I reach my stop.

    If you do all your reading at home where you don't need to carry your books around, there's not really much reason to have one.

    --
    Sturgeon was an optimist.
  12. E-Reader will turn into a function, not a product by Whuffo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The only real justification for a dedicated e-reader device is that it can be locked to a company's book service. If the device is "open", it'll contain many more functions (free or very minimal cost) and look more like a laptop or iPad.

    Right now you can download text versions of thousands of books - and Notepad is all you need to read them. If I'm going to have a special device just for reading books it's going to have to be a lot more functional and a lot less expensive than anything they're even speculating about now.

    Those corporate types that think that $400 is a good price for an e-reader and books should cost $25 each are setting the stage for their extinction. That kind of pricing will create a "pirate" market for digital books; this and the low sales rate (due to the pricing) will kill their market in short order./P

  13. LCD and eInk by owlstead · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It is interesting to see that the CPU supports both LCD and eInk at the same time. I've just bought a BeBook and the eInk is just perfect for reading. The eInk display is however absolutely worthless as an interface device. After buying a my Hero (android) phone, the BeBook is left at home most of the time. For my workplace I would be very interested in using an eInk display for PDF. But navigating and searching is such a PITA on the current readers that I can not recommend it to anyone. On my reader I get irritated by the navigating experience even when going from one book to another.

    Idea: maybe they should mate androids and iPhones with eInk displays, e.g. using bluetooth. You could make a really cheap one while using the wireless LAN / mobile internet / multi-touch screen etc of the phone for all the stuff that the current eBooks are missing. For now I'll just use my droid, even though I will get a headache from all that eye-strain.

  14. Re:Why would I want one again? by Abcd1234 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Plus, they're great for reading in bed. Anyone who's tried to read lying on their side knows how much of an *enormous* pain in the ass regular paper books are. It's just not doable. But an ereader is perfectly comfortable.

  15. $9.99 is nothing special by myforwik · · Score: 3, Informative

    Obviously not many electronic engineers around slashdot... The main point of the chip is that the eink display driving is direct, this will save about $5. if you don't believe me you can get the cpu that does the same for $8 and the display chip for $6.50....

  16. Re:Why would I want one again? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you do all your reading at home where you don't need to carry your books around, there's not really much reason to have one.

    It's still lighter than most books. It also lets me make the font bigger, so I can read without wearing eyeglasses. Bookmarks are less of a hassle as well, and table of contents is actually navigable.

    I mostly read at home, but I still find my PRS-505 to be more convenient than paper books.