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Microsoft "Courier" Pictures

tekgoblin writes to let us know that Gizmodo has some early shots of the new prototype "Courier" booklet (foldable tablet) on the way from Microsoft. "Courier is a real device, and we've heard that it's in the 'late prototype' stage of development. It's not a tablet, it's a booklet. The dual 7-inch (or so) screens are multitouch, and designed for writing, flicking and drawing with a stylus, in addition to fingers. They're connected by a hinge that holds a single iPhone-esque home button. Statuses, like wireless signal and battery life, are displayed along the rim of one of the screens. On the back cover is a camera, and it might charge through an inductive pad, like the Palm Touchstone charging dock for Pre."

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  1. Wrong link by sopssa · · Score: 5, Informative

    The article linked in the summary goes to wrong link (the same we discussed about in September)

    Correct article with info. Picture gallery is here.

    I must admit it does look awesome though. It's just perfect for use on sofa, as booklet is held like, well, a book. Laptop nor tablet aren't as nice and comfortable. There's no way I'll be buying the locked down tablet-like iPad when this is coming up.

    1. Re:Wrong link by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I find your optimism that this device won't be locked down interesting...

      Back when rumor first started, it was about a Windows 7 based device. That wouldn't have been "open" in the FSF sense; but it would have implied the continuation of Microsoft's historical commitment to backwards compatibility and 3rd party developers(yes, they can and have crushed the 3rd party developers who got in their way like bugs; but they are otherwise overjoyed to have people writing stuff that depends on their platforms).

      The currently displayed model is Win CE based, and almost definitely the new Windows CE, the one with no backwards compatibility and all managed code, and still uncertain application distribution mechanisms, and integration with the locked-down worlds of zune and xbox. CE 6.5 and earlier were tottering heaps of suck; but they were open in a manner similar to desktop Windows(at least when your mobile carrier hadn't been messing with them).

      Since Microsoft is currently getting hammered in the smartphone and embedded space, there is strong reason to believe that they will(simply of necessity) be more benevolent to developers than Apple is(perhaps a nicer revenue split, less jerking around, cheap dev tools, whatever); but there is no particular reason to suspect that they will be anything other than a (comparatively) benevolent overlord.

    2. Re:Wrong link by dhavleak · · Score: 4, Informative

      You are confusing Windows CE and Windows Mobile. They aren't the same thing (not even close in fact). Windows Mobile runs on Windows CE. Windows CE is a kernel + a bunch of modules that you can strip/add depending on your needs for your embedded device.

    3. Re:Wrong link by Buelldozer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is there a particular reason to believe that they WILL lock it down?

      I haven't seen any evidence of them doing that with any other platform they've released with the exception of Xbox360 and Xbox Live.

      Their Desktop and Mobile operating systems have been paragon's of "openness" from the standpoint of installing applications and I really don't see why they'd change this.

      You can accuse me of being an MS FanBoi if you want but this post was typed in a Chrome browser and there is a Moto Droid strapped to my hip.

    4. Re:Wrong link by cupantae · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So Windows CE is like Linux with the standard GNU utilities and Windows Mobile is like Ubuntu.

      Sorry to all you Windows geeks out there, but I just thought somebody better put it in a way that the n00bs who don't go messing with their computers can understand it.

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    5. Re:Wrong link by cbhacking · · Score: 3, Informative

      Even the Xbox 360 (and Zune, which you didn't mention) support homebrew software - mostly, but not entirely, games - via XNA. You're limited to the APIs that XNA provides, but you can compile it for the platform in question, it will run on it. Microsoft even has a supported channel for distribution of XNA games on Xbox Live, although you can also just download the applicaiton off the web (using a PC) and move it to your Xbox 360 or Zune/Zune HD.

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    6. Re:Wrong link by Wingsy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "There's no way I'll be buying the locked down tablet-like iPad when this is coming up."

      Well at least MS scored a direct hit with one sucker. Announcing a product still in its initial concept phase has one and only one purpose: to prevent you from buying a competitor's product long enough for them to develop something that might compete.

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  2. Courier? by Gerald · · Score: 5, Funny

    What if I want a Comic Sans?

  3. Booklet? by geekoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    MS's ability to name things has always be bad.

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    1. Re:Booklet? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Funny

      By the time this moves from prototype to release, "Booklet" will seem like the soul of wit.

      "Microsoft Booklet Live Mobility Series Professional Edition" rolls off only the nimblest of tongues...

    2. Re:Booklet? by pitchpipe · · Score: 4, Funny

      MS's ability to name things has always be bad.

      Maybe Microsoft's wit for naming things is rubbing off on Apple. I mean really, iPad!?

      Heh, Microsoft could say this is like an iPad, but with wings.

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    3. Re:Booklet? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This soon after the iPad is announced, 'Booklet' is considered a bad name? Really?

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  4. Re:This isn't going to work. by RightSaidFred99 · · Score: 3

    The benefit is obviously that you get twice the screen real-estate when it's "open" and it's more portable when it's "closed". Not exactly rocket surgery, dude.

  5. yes, by sadtrev · · Score: 4, Funny

    but does it run Linux?

  6. Re:This isn't going to work. by ciaohound · · Score: 4, Funny

    Maybe Microsoft will learn from those mistakes and put a fake horse's ass on this device.

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  7. That's right, because handwriting on screens rules by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Watching the demo, I just can't understand why Microsoft seems so obsessed with the idea that everybody's going to want to interact with a computer using a pen.

    Think about it. Let's say you're collaborating on a project with somebody, and he's done a lot of brainstorming about it. He comes to a meeting with a stack of notebooks where he's written down all his ideas. What's the first thing he says? "Sorry about my handwriting."

    Even I apologize for my handwriting, and I have the handwriting of a comic-book letterer -- when I want to. The thing is, writing neatly takes a lot of time. It's much faster to use upper and lower case than block capitals, for starters, and it's faster to use cursive than printing. And even faster than that to just scrawl it out any way you can.

    But you know what's even faster than that? Typing on a computer keyboard.

    Microsoft first got on this kick with OneNote, its note-taking application, which it seemed to want to market as the killer app for tablet PCs. And by that I mean the first generation of tablet PCs. You know the ones. You didn't buy one. For some reason, Microsoft was pushing really hard for this idea that everybody would be walking around with tablet PCs, scribbling notes into OneNote with pens.

    Now, I use OneNote every day. But while I have a nice-sized Wacom tablet sitting right here on my desk, which comes with a very nice, contoured stylus that fits very nicely in my hand, never once have I been inspired to plug the thing in to scrawl off some notes in OneNote. Not when there's a keyboard sitting right in front of me. Not when I know that if I simply type in my thoughts, OneNote won't have to try to OCR my scrawls in order to make the text searchable. Not when I know that storing a bitmap to save a six-word thought is a waste of space.

    So in this Courier demo we not only have someone scribbling notes on a notepad -- which conveniently resembles an onscreen Moleskine notebook, because everybody knows people like their computers to model real-life things that are less efficient than computers, even when the computer doesn't much resemble that real-life thing -- but at one point the person draws a box around those notes, taps on it and the box turns into ... a highlighted yellow version of that wobbly, hand-drawn box.

    That might be all well and good if I was a bright-eyed fresh college grad like the eager woman in the demo, and my life was accompanied by a wistful accoustic indie-rock soundtrack. But in real life, if I was being jostled back and forth on the noisy subway on my way home and I drew that box and it popped up on my screen looking all fucked-up like I just drew it, the first thing that would cross my mind would be, "God dammit, why is this computer so stupid that it can't tell I was trying to draw a box just now? Why won't it just make a rectangle? Drawing boxes was so much fucking easier when all I had to do is click my mouse button, hold it and drag."

    This UI goes beyond a solution looking for a problem. It's a way of actively making it harder for me to get work done with a computer.

    It reminds me of all the VRML hype from years back. People were predicting that in the future, we wouldn't type URLs into a Web browser. We'd fire up our Avatars and fly to places on the Web in 3-D graphics. We would walk through virtual libraries, pulling electronic books off 3-D shelves. We'd ride dragons to meeting rooms where we'd chat with other avatars in real time. And all I could think was, "WTF? So we've just invented the Internet, this miraculous thing that puts the world of information right at your fingertips, no matter where you are, so that all you have to do is type a couple things and the information instantly appears on your screen... and you want to impose a 3-D spatial paradigm on it? Instead of calling up information out of thin air, you want to have to hike down the virtual block to get it? You call that progress?"

    Same thing with this tablet idea. People are too stu

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  8. "Me too" maybe, Vapo(u)rware definitely. by Shag · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When Microsoft says "late prototype" I read it as "we've got nothing, really, but if we say we're about to release something, a non-zero percentage of the market will sit on their thumbs until we do, instead of buying actual products that are actually available from other sources, because by golly, we're Microsoft."

    (Yes, I know, it actually works. And no, I don't think that's a very nice tactic.)

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  9. Re:Correct Links by maxume · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The only content you added beyond that provided by Engadget and Gizmodo was your ads.

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  10. Re:Until I can buy one by WinterSolstice · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't think I'd buy this as a web browser. I think I'd buy this to replace my moleskine - which right now is a big mess of drawings, notes, and clips of things taped into place.
    It holds everything from code samples to to UI mockups - and I write much faster with a pen (like Graffiti 1/2 or paper) than on a slow on screen keyboard.

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  11. Re:That's right, because handwriting on screens ru by MarcoAtWork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I just can't understand why Microsoft seems so obsessed with the idea that everybody's going to want to interact with a computer using a pen.

    because I could walk around holding the courier with one hand and writing stuff/accessing it with another even if I'm wearing gloves?

    virtual keyboards like the iphone/ipad are not very good for using them on the go in my opinion, and a pen-based interface can work a lot better.

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  12. Re:That's right, because handwriting on screens ru by martinX · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't think you could. Try it out now. Walking and writing on a paper pad at the same time is going to result in a slow walk and messy writing. An app that has been well designed for the iPad (and other keyboard interfaces) would work with the idea that there is no pen and make it as easy as possible for the user to use them.

    As a far-out example, using FCP is a lot easier once you memorise the (thousand or so...) keyboard shortcuts whereas an equivalent app on the iPad wouldn't have you using a virtual keyboard but would make use of the touch and multi-touch features to the best advantage of the user. These are completely different devices to a PC on a desk and so require a developer to, well, Think Different.

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  13. Re:That's right, because handwriting on screens ru by BobMcD · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wow, where to begin... This looks good:

    It reminds me of all the VRML hype from years back. People were predicting that in the future, we wouldn't type URLs into a Web browser. We'd fire up our Avatars and fly to places on the Web in 3-D graphics. We would walk through virtual libraries, pulling electronic books off 3-D shelves. We'd ride dragons to meeting rooms where we'd chat with other avatars in real time. And all I could think was, "WTF? So we've just invented the Internet, this miraculous thing that puts the world of information right at your fingertips, no matter where you are, so that all you have to do is type a couple things and the information instantly appears on your screen... and you want to impose a 3-D spatial paradigm on it? Instead of calling up information out of thin air, you want to have to hike down the virtual block to get it? You call that progress?"

    I wonder if you're familiar with Second Life?

    And yes, for many, it is considered progress. Or at least it was. I'm not sure how many big corps are still onboard, but there were buzzings of private servers for employee training and the like. Anyway it turns out that while it hasn't applied to the web as a whole, people really did cotton to that idea. Lots of people. Even some important ones.

    Same thing with this tablet idea. People are too stupid to use computers, apparently, so you want to use all the power of a computer to enable them to do things like they would if all they had was a stack of paper and a Bic -- because that's what they're supposedly comfortable with.

    Taking your finger and pointing it is about as basic as it gets. Using a pen is just an extension of that. Paper made it more portable than cave walls. People aren't all that keen on using keyboards everywhere they go because they're simply not natural. How many of those full-size, fold-able keyboards sold as accessories to cell phones really see any daily use?

    I think the device looks like an innovative approach to 'infinite paper', which is basically what the videos bill it out to be. It looks like a huge step beyond what tablets presently mean, and seems to offer it in a better form factor.

    Meanwhile your desktop will be right where you last left it, with the keyboard still attached.

    I guess I'm not quite sure what you're rambling about, but I'm pretty certain the words you are searching for involve 'kids' and 'off' and 'lawn'.

  14. Re:Pre? by jim_v2000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think EnergyStar certification is important to most people when it comes to charging their portable devices.

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  15. Re:If Windows Mobile runs on Windows CE .... by dhavleak · · Score: 4, Informative

    If Windows Mobile runs on Windows CE ... Windows Mobile IS Windows CE. I really find amusement at how stupid people can become when they are fans of X product/company.

    Child, please...

    An OEM (or MS) can take CE, strip it of everything they don't need (for example for their particular device they might not even need a filesystem and related modules), add their own stuff to it, and the result would be something you'd never recognize as Windows CE. There are countless gadgets and gizmos out there running CE that you don't know about (you probably even own a few w/o knowing it).

    Windows Mobile (all versions) are built over Windows CE. The Zune HD is built over Windows CE. Is there any fucking similarity between Windows Mobile 6.5 and the Zune HD? No -- because just having the same kernel means nothing. Or if I were to follow your logic, I would come to the conclusion that the Zune HD IS Windows CE.. which is ridiculous..

  16. Finally!!!! by Snarkalicious · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can re-purpose my Hammer Pants for something!

  17. with credentials like those... by pydev · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wow, with the Windows-experience wizard and the designers of Xbox and Zune on board, what could possibly go wrong?

  18. These are not pictures or a prototype by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you look, there is no "there" there. As in, nothing physical is being shown at any time. These are not prototypes - they are concepts! They aren't even as real at this stage as the fantasy cars you see at car shows.

    So let's see what comes out and WHEN it comes out. Remember that not even Windows Mobile 7 Edition comes out until the end of the year, and it's a lot less ambitious!

    Some of the ideas are really interesting, but how much will we see in real life and how practical will it be to use.

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  19. the iPad was never even an idea? Seriously? by weston · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Did we just sink to the level of Apple antipathy/analysis where someone actually states that a Microsoft vaporware project is way ahead of an Apple product that's going to hit the streets in three weeks?

  20. Re:Two screens not better than one. by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Breaking a screen into two smaller ones and sticking a giant hinge/bezel in the middle isn't an advantage.

    Even reading a regular text ebook. Two screens aren't an advantage, they are a hindrance.

    Yes, because that thing called a "printed book" which has that exact same user interface is such a failure...

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