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Wear Leveling, RAID Can Wipe Out SSD Advantage

storagedude writes "This article discusses using solid state disks in enterprise storage networks. A couple of problems noted by the author: wear leveling can eat up most of a drive's bandwidth and make write performance no faster than a hard drive, and using SSDs with RAID controllers brings up its own set of problems. 'Even the highest-performance RAID controllers today cannot support the IOPS of just three of the fastest SSDs. I am not talking about a disk tray; I am talking about the whole RAID controller. If you want full performance of expensive SSDs, you need to take your $50,000 or $100,000 RAID controller and not overpopulate it with too many drives. In fact, most vendors today have between 16 and 60 drives in a disk tray and you cannot even populate a whole tray. Add to this that some RAID vendor's disk trays are only designed for the performance of disk drives and you might find that you need a disk tray per SSD drive at a huge cost.'"

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  1. Little Flawed study. by OS24Ever · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This assumes that RAID controller manufacturers won't be making any changes though.

    RAID for years has relied on millisecond access times. So why spend a lot of money on an ASIC & Subsystem that can go faster? So taking a RAID card designed for slow (relatively) spinning disks and attaching them to SSD of course the RAID card is going to be a bottleneck.

    However subsystems are going to be designed to work with SSD that has much higher access times. When that happens, this so called 'bottleneck' is gone. You know every major disk subsystem vendor is working on these. Sounds like a disk vendor is sponsoring 'studies' to convince people not to invest in SSD technologies now knowing that a lot of companies are looking at big purchases this year because of the age of equipment after the downturn.

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    1. Re:Little Flawed study. by vadim_t · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Sure, but why do you put 60 drives in a RAID?

      Because hard disks, even the high end ones, have quite low IOPS. You can attain the same performance level with much fewer SSDs. If what you need is IOPS and not lots of storage that's a good thing even. You reach the required level with much fewer drives, so you need less power, less space and less cooling.

    2. Re:Little Flawed study. by Anpheus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I agree. 60 drives in RAID0 are going to see between 150 and 200 IOPS/drive, maybe more for 2.5" drives right? So that's 12,000 IOPS.

      The X25-E, the new Sandforce controller, and I believe some of the newer Indilinx controllers can all do that with one SSD.

      $/GB is crap, $/IOPS is amazing.

    3. Re:Little Flawed study. by itzdandy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You missed half the point. SSD use wear leveling and other techniques that are very effective on the desktop but in a high IO environment, the current wear leveling techniques reduce SSD performance to well below what you get on the desktop.

      I really think that this is just a result of the current trend to put high performance SSD on the desktop. When the market re-focuses these problems will disolve.

      This also goes for RAID controllers. If you have 8 ports and SAS 3Gb links, then you need to process 24Gb and a IO/s of current 15k SAS drives. Lets just assume for easy math that this requires a 500Mhz RAID Processor. What would be the point of putting in a 2Ghz Processor? What if you increase the IO/s by 100x and double the bandwidth? now you need to handle 48Gb/s throughput and 100x the IO and that requires 2x 3Ghz Processors.

      Its just takes time for the market players to react to each technology increase. New raid controllers will come out that can handle these things. maybe the current raid cpus have been using a commodity chip (powerpc often enough) because it was fast enough to handle these things and the new technologies are going to require more specific processors. Maybe you need to get cell chips or nvidia GPUs in there, whatever it takes.

      I admit it would be pretty interesting to see the new Dell/LSI 100Gb SAS powered by Nvidia logo in Gen12 Dell servers.

  2. Correction: by raving+griff · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wear Leveling, RAID Can Wipe Out SSD Advantage for enterprise.

    While it may not be efficient to slap together a platter of 16 SSDs, it is worthwhile to upgrade personal computers to use an SSD.

  3. Seek time by 1s44c · · Score: 4, Informative

    The real advantage of solid state storage is seek time, not read/write times. They don't beat conventional drives by much at sustained IO. Maybe this will change in the future. RAID just isn't meant for SSD devices. RAID is a fix for the unreliable nature of magnetic disks.

    1. Re:Seek time by Rockoon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It seems that a lot of people are taking the price of the cheapest/GB HD's, but using the performance of the most expensive/GB HD's, in order to form their conclusions about how little they get for so much extra money.

      One of the fastest platters on the market today is the Seagate 15,000 RPM Cheetah and that one runs at about $1/GB. Some of the 15K drives go for $3/GB.

      SSD's are running about $3/GB across the board at the top end, a cost not dissimilar from the top end platters, but they perform much better.

      I understand that many people dont want to drop more than $120 on a drive, but many of the vocal ones are letting their unwillingness to do so contaminate their criticism. SSD's are actually priced competitively vs the top performing platter drives.

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  4. This study seems deeply confused in a specific way by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This study seems to have a very bad case of "unconsciously idealizing the status quo and working from there". For instance:

    "Even the highest-performance RAID controllers today cannot support the IOPS of just three of the fastest SSDs. I am not talking about a disk tray; I am talking about the whole RAID controller. If you want full performance of expensive SSDs, you need to take your $50,000 or $100,000 RAID controller and not overpopulate it with too many drives. In fact, most vendors today have between 16 and 60 drives in a disk tray and you cannot even populate a whole tray. Add to this that some RAID vendor's disk trays are only designed for the performance of disk drives and you might find that you need a disk tray per SSD drive at a huge cost."

    That sounds pretty dire. And, it does in fact mean that SSDs won't be neat drop-in replacements for some legacy infrastructures. However, step back for a minute: Why did traditional systems have 50k or 100k RAID controllers connected to large numbers of HDDs? Mostly because the IOPs on an HDD, even a 15K RPM monster, sucked horribly. If 3 SSDs can swamp a RAID controller that could handle 60 drives, that is an overwhelmingly good thing. In fact, you might be able to ditch the pricey raid controller entirely, or move to a much smaller one, if 3 SDDs can do the work of 60HDDs.

    Now, for systems where bulk storage capacity is the point of the exercise, the ability to hang tray after tray full of disks off the RAID controller is necessary. However, that isn't the place where you would be buying expensive SSDs. Even the SSD vendors aren't even pretending that SSDs can cut it as capacity kings. For systems that are judged by their IOPS, though, the fact that the tradition involved hanging huge numbers (of often mostly empty, reading and writing only to the parts of the platter with the best access times) HDDs off extremely expensive RAID controllers shows that the past sucked, not that SSDs are bad.

    For the obligatory car analogy: shortly after the début of the automobile, manufacturers of horse-drawn carriages noted the fatal flaw of the new technology: "With a horse drawn carriage, a single buggy whip will server to keep you moving for months, even years with the right horses. If you try to power your car with buggy whips, though, you could end up burning several buggy whips per mile, at huge expense, just to keep the engine running..."

  5. In other news... by bflong · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... researchers have found that putting a Formula One engine into a Mack truck wipes out the advantages of the 19,000 rpm.

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  6. Re:This study seems deeply confused in a specific by volsung · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And we don't have to use Highlander Rules when considering drive technologies. There's no reason that one has to build a storage array right now out of purely SSD or purely HDD. Sun showed in some of their storage products that by combining a few SSDs with several slower, large capacity HDDs and ZFS, they could satisfy many workloads for a lot less money. (Pretty much the only thing a hybrid storage pool like that can't do is sustain very high IOPS of random reads across a huge pool of data with no read locality at all.)

    I hope we see more filesystems support transparent hybrid storage like this...

  7. ZFS sidesteps the whole RAID controller problem by haemish · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you use ZFS with SSDs, it scales very nicely. There isn't a bottleneck at a raid controller. You can slam a pile of controllers into a chassis if you have bandwidth problems because you've bought 100 SSDs - by having the RAID management outside the controller, ZFS can unify the whole lot in one giant high performance array.

  8. Re:Raid controllers obsolete? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The advantage of hardware RAID, at least with RAID 5, is the battery backup. When you write a RAID stripe, you need to write the whole thing atomically. If the writes work on some drives and fail on others, you can't recover the stripe. The checksum will fail, and you'll know that the stripe is damaged, but you won't know what it should be. With a decent RAID controller, the entire write cache will be battery backed, so if the power goes out you just replay the stuff that's still in RAM when the array comes back online. With software RAID, you'd just lose the last few writes, (potentially) leaving your filesystem in an inconsistent state.

    This is not a problem with ZFS, because it handles transactions at a lower layer so you either complete a transaction or lose the transaction, the disk is never in an inconsistent state.

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