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Improving Education Through Better Teachers

theodp writes "The teaching profession gets schooled in cover stories from the big pubs this weekend, as Newsweek makes the case for Why We Must Fire Bad Teachers, and the NY Times offers the more hopeful Building a Better Teacher. For the past half-century, professional educators believed that if they could only find the right pedagogy, the right method of instruction, all would be well. They tried New Math, open classrooms, Whole Language — but nothing seemed to achieve significant or lasting improvements. But what they ignored was the elephant in the room — if the teacher sucks, the students suck. Or, as the Times more eloquently puts it: 'William Sanders, a statistician studying Tennessee teachers with a colleague, found that a student with a weak teacher for three straight years would score, on average, 50 percentile points behind a similar student with a strong teacher for those years. Teachers working in the same building, teaching the same grade, produced very different outcomes. And the gaps were huge.' But what makes a good teacher? When Bill Gates announced his foundation was investing $335 million in a project to improve teaching quality, he added a rueful caveat. 'Unfortunately, it seems the field doesn't have a clear view of what characterizes good teaching,' Gates said. 'I'm personally very curious.'"

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  1. Re:Better teachers and more funding ! by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 0, Troll

    I actually think it's pretty stupid to _not_ think that more qualified people will enter the field if their paid better.

    Look at this thread. And Slashdot considers itself "smart".

    This underscores the actual problem - the status anxiety endemic in American culture that drives people to devalue intelligence and education. People do not want evidence that their children will not be as successful as the smarter children, and they do not want their kids being taught by people smarter and more successful than themselves. They like teaching being a low status career, because it makes it easier for them to argue with teachers and blame them for their own and their children's failures.

  2. Re:Good idea, maybe... by Moryath · · Score: 1, Troll

    yes but the trick is to raise the bottom to a higher level

    While you're at it, have you a plan to raise the sea floor of the Mariana Trench?

    For an example lets say that a school has a range of scores from 94% to say 50% (or some A work and some F work)
    Now a Partnership of IBM and several big medical Companies decides to run a test of their new Computer Brain Interface (which allows the "data" parts of education to simply be downloaded).

    The problem is that the dumb kids lack the mental function necessary to comprehend what they have just downloaded. Knowledge, left unapplied, is worthless. In many cases it is actually worse than worthless.

    Now yes there will be 50% of the students in the bottom 50 percentile but that bottom 50% NOW PASSES THE STANDARDIZED TESTS

    They're not measuring whether the kids pass standardized tests.

    They're measuring by straight percentile.

    They're also using the old, broken metric of evaluating the teacher by the successes of his students. And let's face it, whenever you get into this, confounding variables enter the mix and they are NEVER negligible. Given the sample sizes, you usually can't even control for them properly.

    Do I believe there are bad teachers? Hell yes. Do I believe every "bad teacher" story? No. A "bad teacher" story often turns out to be a "bad student" story - and one bad student can disrupt and hold back an entire class, even moreso in the "class shall move at the pace of the slowest fucking idiot" mentality of schools since the mid-70s.

    Charles Murray, referenced in the Slashdot post above (rather out of context up there too, jesus christ!), has also said the following:

    "Our ability to improve the academic accomplishment of students in the lower half of the distribution of intelligence is severely limited. It is a matter of ceilings. Suppose a girl in the 99th percentile of intelligence, corresponding to an IQ of 135, is getting a C in English. She is underachieving, and someone who sets out to raise her performance might be able to get a spectacular result. Now suppose the boy sitting behind her is getting a D, but his IQ is a bit below 100, at the 49th percentile.

    We can hope to raise his grade. But teaching him more vocabulary words or drilling him on the parts of speech will not open up new vistas for him. It is not within his power to learn to follow an exposition written beyond a limited level of complexity, any more than it is within my power to follow a proof in the American Journal of Mathematics. In both cases, the problem is not that we have not been taught enough, but that we are not smart enough."

    Also:

    "On the 2005 round of the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP), 36% of all fourth-graders were below the NAEP's "basic achievement" score in reading. It sounds like a terrible record. But we know from the mathematics of the normal distribution that 36% of fourth-graders also have IQs lower than 95."

    The confounding variable is, and always will be, the random chucking-around of problem children into classrooms that was prevalent even 3 decades before "No Child Left Behind."

    We have designed our civilization based on science and technology and at the same time arranged things so that almost no one understands anything at all about science and technology. This is a clear prescription for disaster. - Carl Sagan

    The "standardized tests" we need today, are a far cry from what was required even 20 years ago. Unfortunately, society is comprised primarily of "twelve o'clock flashers" (those idiots who, in the 80s, would have an analog clock on the wall and a VCR, microwave oven, and stove all flashing 12:00 because they could never figure out how to set the clock.

  3. Re:People love to blame problems on teachers by Kohath · · Score: 0, Troll

    If teachers want smaller class sizes, they should be willing to accept proportionally smaller paychecks. That's what happens when your productivity drops.

  4. Re:just pay them more by Belial6 · · Score: 0, Troll

    And that is why our education system sucks and is not going to get better. Criticizing teachers is considered taboo. Anyone who does it is considered a "jackass". It doesn't matter if they are right or not. As long as society takes a "teachers have the most important job in the world", and "your a jackass if you don't say they live under the poverty level and work 80 hours a week, 53 weeks a year", our public education system will never get better.

    You think you are defending teachers while you unwittingly prove my point. I feel bad for your wife, if she teaches at the intellectual level and honesty that you defender her. Even more so, I feel sorry for her students.

  5. Re:just pay them more by Belial6 · · Score: 0, Troll

    Your intellect is dizzying! Teachers must be underpaid and over worked because I am a jackass. It all makes sense now!

  6. Re:People love to blame problems on teachers by Kohath · · Score: 0, Troll

    Too bad teachers refuse to have their output measured that way. The union opposes any measurement of learning to rate teachers. So the number of children is the only number we have.

    If a teacher has more children to teach, I'd invite that teacher to work extra hours to teach them at 100% effectiveness. And get paid extra for the extra output. Or, if the teacher is good enough, she could teach more students in the same amount of time and still get increased pay. But the union won't allow any of this. Productivity and accountability are too much to ask from teachers.

  7. Re:just pay them more by Belial6 · · Score: 0, Troll
    There you go! Now you've convinced me. Obviously teachers are underpaid and overworked because I should kill myself.

    Again...

    I feel bad for your wife, if she teaches at the intellectual level and honesty that you defender her. Even more so, I feel sorry for her students.