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Digitizing and Geocoding Old Maps?

alobar72 writes "I have quite a few old maps (several hundreds; 100+ years old, some are already damaged – so time is not on my side). What I want to do is to digitize them and to apply geo-coordinates to them so I can use them as overlays for openstreetmap data or such. Obviously I cannot put those maps onto my €80 scanner and go. Some of them are really large (1.5m x 1.5m roughly, I believe) and they need to be treated with great care because the paper is partly damaged. So firstly I need a method or service provider that can do the digitizing without damaging them. Secondly I need a hint what the best method is to apply geo coordinates to those maps then. The maps are old and landscape and places have changed, it maybe difficult to identify exact spots. So: are there any experiences or tips I could use?"

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  1. Handheld scanner by rbcd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why not use a handheld scanner and some stitching software?

    1. Re:Handheld scanner by Rei · · Score: 2, Informative

      I was going to suggest the same thing -- two birds with one stone. I personally use Hugin for things like that. You take many high-res, overlapping photos. You can automatically match them up with autopano-sift and then use vertical and horizontal alignment points to stretch them out as you would prefer. If the results aren't close enough to use as an overlay as-is, if you had a hires modern map, you could load it and set the FOV to roughly match up with the FOV of your fully aligned pieced-together map, and then define control points between it and your map pieces. Optimization will then stretch the pieces to try to fit to your modern map while still being pieced together.

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    2. Re:Handheld scanner by mpapet · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yowza, that would be a royal pain to get results.

      Two ways to go.

      1. Wide format scanner. These are usually at more specialized digitization shops. Find someone who scans blueprints in your area. http://www.amazon.com/Designjet-Large-format-Scanning-Software-Intergrate/dp/B000E8Z0XU
      Only you can judge if the documents will be okay through the feeder. The feeders aren't hard on documents. I'd give your best one a shot. Naturally, you want to be there. So, not every service provider will be okay with that.

      2. You most certainly can use a flatbed scanner. The key will be stitching software and memory/cpu resources and refining the scan/stitch method. Make them big-ish files, maybe 300ppi. After 300ppi, any information is useless for a 1:1 reproduction.

      Lastly, overlaying geocoordinates info won't quite work as elegantly as you think. Ignore my doubts and go for it. I think the end result would be more art than science if done well. If done well, there will probably be a couple of false starts.

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    3. Re:Handheld scanner by icebike · · Score: 1

      Hand held? That would be a mess.

      To the OP:

      Almost every bigger city has an artist community and almost any art shop will be able to point you to people who specialize in super high resolution scanning. (For a price, but its not usually unreasonable.)

      The file sizes will be huge.

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    4. Re:Handheld scanner by toastar · · Score: 5, Informative

      I do this for a living, We Use a wide format scanner and Global Mapper to georectify them.

      Contact mikes@wavefront.pro if you would like a quote.

      We do everything from old torn maps to vellums to Tifs, We can Georectify them to load quickly as a geotiff. or we can digitize the data on the maps into Arc compatible Shapefiles.

    5. Re:Handheld scanner by toastar · · Score: 4, Informative

      We can also output Google Earth KML's. It's neat to be able to click a link and get all your contours and well locations to pull up in 3D. And to have this file work on any machine with google earth.

    6. Re:Handheld scanner by TheMCP · · Score: 1

      For that matter, why not use a digital camera and some stitching software?

      Or, if you've got a good way to align a map against the lat/lon grid (which you'll have to have or you won't be able to use the maps anyway), why bother stitching it at all? Just photograph the map in sections, and use your alignment method to align each section separately.

    7. Re:Handheld scanner by Gilmoure · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or contact local university geography department. Might be able to work up some program with them to have students do the digitizing.

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    8. Re:Handheld scanner by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      Good advice so far, scan it and stitch it. Once you have that, just release it under a creative commons license, and ask for help with your goal. The crowd should be able to help you with the rest. Some will do an overlay with a fish-eye. Some will do an overlay with a small rectangular mask. Some will try morphing the different maps using the edges and/or the landmarks that can be recognized as reference points. It may not come out the exact way you originally envisioned, but with a bit of playing around with it -- something cool should come out of this project eventually.

      The base software for something like this is OpenCV (OpenComputerVision), which has C++ and Python bindings, but even if you're not a programmer, and still want to do everything yourself, you should still be able to find something that's GUI-driven and easier to use than OpenCV.

    9. Re:Handheld scanner by hardburn · · Score: 1

      This, please. Mod this to the sky. These maps no doubt have historical value and if they need to be handled carefully, then give it to people who are trained to do it.

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    10. Re:Handheld scanner by garyisabusyguy · · Score: 1

      I agree that a large format scanner is the best way to capture the image, but taping it to a wall and taking a picture with a high resolution camera may do the trick (for cost purposes).

      You will also want to do some research into the map projection that was used on the original, trying to rectify between different projections can look pretty weird

      Where I live, major streets are aligned on mapping grid lines and intersections are great points to pick for rectifying, in other areas of the world, highways follow the same contour line paths has historic roads and can be used for landmarks.

      I have always used ArcInfo products, but the systems can be pretty pricy. You might want to look up a local ArcInfo user group or regional GIS authority and see if they are interested in partnering with you.

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    11. Re:Handheld scanner by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      I was thinking more of the digitizing/correcting of the scans/images. Maybe a university might have a place that can handle archival type stuff but don't know anything about that. /geography major for one year. Did a lot of digitizing for projects the school was working on; police maps, utility maps, etc. Lot of grunt work.

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    12. Re:Handheld scanner by toastar · · Score: 2, Informative

      GlobalMapper > Arcinfo.
      It all comes down to price, Globalmapper is like $300. I don't even know what Arc costs, but i know blue marble is cheaper and it's a couple grand.

      GM might not have the same intuitivness, but It's perfect for the given problem.

      Considering I mainly deal with Oil and gas we usually use well locations as a secondary x/y point.

      just be glad you don't have to convert from meets and bounds

    13. Re:Handheld scanner by awilden · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've also found that a lot of university libraries will have staff and equipment in their rare books room that is appropriate to this task. Having said that, what they told me to do is what everyone else has said: snap and stitch, and what they felt they could offer was a more secure rig to hold the camera and more even lighting for the exposure.

    14. Re:Handheld scanner by ZosX · · Score: 1

      I do this for a living and yeah, the files are big, and even at 300dpi you can get into fairly large sizes. Personally I have printers at work that can print at 1440dpi and really anything over 600dpi is overkill. You can't really see the dots at that point unless you magnify them somehow.

    15. Re:Handheld scanner by hey! · · Score: 1

      Why not hand scan and stitch the results together? Because that will take *forever*.

      If you have a fair number of maps, and you paid yourself for doing this, you could easily justify buying or leasing a large format scanner.

      It boils down to this: you either find out the right tool for the job and get it, or you *build* the tool you need, or you spend a long time struggling with an unsatisfactory process.

      If I had to build the tool, I'd build a wooden box, painting the interior flat black or maybe even lining it with black felt. The map would go on the floor. On the ceiling of the box I'd rig a high resolution digital camera with a longish lens, mounting it on a vertically adjustable platform; ideally a rack and pinion mechanism. Given the size of your largest maps (1.5m) I'd try to mount the camera as far as possible, 2m at least; even 3m if I had the room. That way I don't have to rubbersheet the results much.

      I'd put lights with diffusers on the roof as well. I'd put the total design and construction time at 40 hours. At my normal consulting rate, that would be about five thousand dollars. With camera and materials, call it seven or eight thousand total.

      That's actually surprisingly cheap, although you're not guaranteed good results. That's up to your design and construction skills. But the key is you want the conversion operation to consist of simple, quick, repeatable actions. Even allowing two weeks to design, build and test my contraption, if I had to scan over a hundred large format maps, I'd still be ahead considering the logistics of scanning little swaths of each map, stitching them together and checking the results. I'd only consider hand scanning if I was doing no more than a half dozen maps.

      Most importantly, it would be a hell of a lot less fun than building my own scanner.

      It might be worth building your own scanner if your large maps are so fragile they can't be trusted to a wide format scanner that will feed them through the scanning mechanism. Otherwise it'd be better to buy a large format color scanner, because you know it will give good results.

      After you've got your images you're talking about the normal process of registering the map in a geographic coordinate system (not geocoding, which is a simple process of finding a geographic coordinate system for a piece of data; you'll have to produce a file that is in a known coordinate system).

      There are lots of tools for doing that, but if you don't know where to begin, you'll either have to hire somebody who knows what they're doing, or educate yourself on the process. That's beyond what you can expect in Slashdot request. There are lots of commercial tools for this; I think you can even do it in Matlab. The only open source software I know off the top of my head that could do this is GRASS, but learning to use GRASS is an education in itself.

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    16. Re:Handheld scanner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do this for a living, We Use a wide format scanner and Global Mapper to georectify them.

      Contact mikes@wavefront.pro if you would like a quote.

      We do everything from old torn maps to vellums to Tifs, We can Georectify them to load quickly as a geotiff. or we can digitize the data on the maps into Arc compatible Shapefiles.

      Be careful when using a wide format scanner as they are automatic feed and can tear the paper. I took a risk with old documents placing them into mylar sleeves I created and scanned the old documents. Everything went quite well. I then rectifies them in ERDAS IMAGINE.

  2. Digital Camera by mitchplanck · · Score: 1

    Use a digital camera. It doesn't even have to be super high MP. Just stitch the images together.

    1. Re:Digital Camera by AvitarX · · Score: 2, Informative

      There has to be somewhere that does this.

      Where I work we have a medium format scan back we use (it is essentially a 100 mega-pixel camera that scans across over about 15 minutes to get an image).

      We are in Wilmington, DE, which is a fairly small city. I know there is a similar device in DC, which is not too far. We went to the Library of congress and actually scanned maps there as a test before purchasing it.

      It actually allows for some interesting capture as one can adjust the lighting in different ways to get details a flatbed may not (we replaced a 2'x3' flatbed with it).

      It could probably do the 1.5m one in two scans, and most smaller ones in one scan.

      Look around your area for a place that offers art-reproduction for the service.

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  3. dig camera by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1, Informative

    Proper lighting, focus, tripod, and a large enough flat surface should produce pretty close to scanner results.
    Faster than the scanner and stitching.

    1. Re:dig camera by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      A lot of people now recommend SLRs for old/ancient family photos that have been framed. In most cases an SLR is going to give you the quality you need. For internet caching purposes, 72dpi is plenty good enough.

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    2. Re:dig camera by vcgodinich · · Score: 5, Informative
      no no no.

      Been there, fought lighting and camera distortion for hours, only to get bad quality (relative to a scanner)

      Lay the maps out on a uniform surface, take the lid off a nice scanner and turn it upside down and move it place to place. Use rather big (1-2inch) overlaps, because the edges of the scanner sometimes are incorrect. You can make a batch process to crop the edges off in photoshop / gimp.

      Most important is to lock down scanner settings so nothing is auto, or you will have colorcontrastluminosity differences between sections of your map.

      Stitching these together requires 0 effort in any modern photographic editing software.

      This is cheap, gives the best results and is the only way to get good quality without spending a fortune or damaging the documents.

    3. Re:dig camera by vcgodinich · · Score: 2, Informative
      You never print anything that you care about at less than 400 dpi (as a rule of thumb)

      If you are archiving things with a 15 mp slr you are missing ALOT of detail that the prints have. I agree that prints stuck to glass are a challenge, but taking a picture with a current slr is a last ditch option.

    4. Re:dig camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are archiving things with a 15 mp slr you are missing ALOT of detail that the prints have.

      Details such as, for example, the fact that "a lot" is two words.

    5. Re:dig camera by Jflatnote · · Score: 1

      While a camera is often a good idea for fragile documents and old photographs, because of various optical aberrations associated with camera lenses, cameras are not necessarily a good idea for geospatial documents, where distortions can put landscape features in incorrect places. This problem is compounded if adequate reference sites no longer exist for georeferencing. To capture raw raster images of the maps, there are a number of different options including 1) physically dividing the original maps into scannable portions and merging in software (cheapest, fastest, but you lose the integrety of the original documents - not a big deal if they are almost lost already - huge deal if the existence of the physical maps themselves is of particular importance (e.g. official treaty boundary maps). ; 2) Heads-down hand digitization using a tablet and stylus (takes a long time, pain in the rear, results in vector equivalent to map); 3) hire out to a shop with large format scanner (print shops, newspaper offices, even city offices may provide these services if you ask) - University geography departments are often interested in unique problems like this - might even do the rubbersheet georeferencing for you for free.

    6. Re:dig camera by toastar · · Score: 1

      Proper lighting, focus, tripod, and a large enough flat surface should produce pretty close to scanner results.
      Faster than the scanner and stitching.

      It's note just a flat surface, the glass also sort of forces the paper flat. You would need a large heavy piece of plexiglass for this setup as well for the crinkly maps.

    7. Re:dig camera by toastar · · Score: 1

      250-300 is fine for scanning, you can always drop pixels, It's a lot harder to bring them back. Always keep the Hi-res's.

    8. Re:dig camera by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      It could work ... you'd take lots of closeups and stitch the results together.

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    9. Re:dig camera by mairas · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Stitching these together requires 0 effort in any modern photographic editing software.

      I actually wrote a little piece of software to automate the stitching process. Just feed the script a bunch of scanned images and it'll align and stitch the images for you. Never got around to make a proper OSS project for it or advertise it, though.

      It's here: http://mairas.net/wiki/Mapstitch

    10. Re:dig camera by ZosX · · Score: 1

      This is actually how I reproduce art. I just use a tripod that I can move across an xy axis and stitch the results in photoshop and then readjust any skewing, etc. You can get really great quality if you spend the time. You don't need a $30,000 medium format scanning back. If you have good lighting noise shouldn't be an issue. Especially if you stick to iso 100 or less. A 15MP DSLR should give you images that are like 20x15 or so at 300 dpi. If this is not good enough (and it really is for a lot of fine art), you just simply move the camera closer and take more shots. Sure it might take you twice as long and definitely requires some serious practice before you start getting good results, but it is effective and most importantly cheap. Flatbed scanners (even little 8x11 ones) are extremely useful as well as long as whatever you are scanning can take being touched. Some things like pencil drawings are too fragile to move around like that, but a well cured oil or a watercolor can withstand a small amount of abuse. If I had a bunch of ancient maps, I think I'd certainly call a local museum or university. They would be rather interested in checking them out anyways, so you could potentially work out some free scans out of the deal.

    11. Re:dig camera by Indulis · · Score: 1

      If you are getting lens distortion, you can pu ton a grid overlay over the map and use the "straightening" feature of Hugin (and other panorama software) when stitching to correct for lens distortions. The feature allows you to designate horizontal and vertical lines and will bend the image to make it so.

  4. Contact a Museum by Speare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I suggest you contact the restoration experts in major museums for (1) advice about preservation, and (2) how they go about their own digitizing projects. I read a fascinating article about the digitization of many medieval parchments, but I don't recall the particular museum involved now.

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    1. Re:Contact a Museum by ILikeRed · · Score: 2, Informative

      I agree, you might try contacting someplace like David Rumsey Historical Map Collection to see if they would be interested in helping, or might otherwise make recommendations.

      A collection of other links that might be of interest:
      Historical Map Web Sites

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    2. Re:Contact a Museum by MMC+Monster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How about asking the real experts: Google.

      I don't mean googling for an answer. I mean actually emailing someone at google to see if the people they have involved with book scanning may have some ideas. At the very least, if you peaked someone's interest there, they may point you towards the right people in the restoration business.

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    3. Re:Contact a Museum by martas · · Score: 5, Informative

      piqued, not peaked

      /grammar nazi

    4. Re:Contact a Museum by ngrier · · Score: 2, Informative

      If the maps are in decent shape, you typically use a large-format scanner. These are extremely expensive, though, so you'll preferably want to find a local university or friend at a company with one. Most larger copy shops will have one (for making architectural plans/construction documents) but will likely charge you a pretty penny to use it. And as others have pointed out, uni or a local historical society may have been through this so be relatively set up to guide you along (or even do some of it for you!).

      If they're really brittle or on non-standard material, digital photography will likely be your only option. And if you want a nice orthographically correct version it will take a lot of patience as you'll get a fair bit of distortion on those large maps. So, as described by other folks in this thread, you'll need a setup so that you can take a number of tiles and stitch them together. To truly take a line from the 'pros' (as in the way they actually shoot aerial photography) you'd want to very carefully mark out a grid pattern on the map itself so you have something to correct against. One other thing: find the smallest real aperture you can get - if you've ever seen pictures from pinhole cameras you'll notice that everything is in focus. (And if you're debating using a point and shoot vs a nice DSLR, make sure to convert to equivalent focal length when comparing - in most cases you'll find that as long as the optics are decent on the P&S, the effective aperture will be better unless you have a really fancy lens/camera setup.)

      That all said, if they are old, and you're more concerned with georeferencing them than having a high-quality reproduction, you likely needn't spend too much time getting a photo of the final version. As there will almost indefinitely be some distortion from the true coordinates, you'll likely need to do some 'rubbersheeting' to get the maps to match up with their real-world locations. That process will likely introduce way more distortion than that from from your digital camera. If you have access to mapping software such as ArcGIS, it will do it easily for you. Otherwise there are lots of free products out there that will allow you to distort the image appropriately.

      Good luck!

    5. Re:Contact a Museum by SwordsmanLuke · · Score: 2, Funny

      piqued, not peaked

      To be fair, his email could just be the most interesting thing to ever happen in the recipient's life. ;)

      *Note for Grammar Nazis: I am aware I have split an infinitive. So you all can just sic it. :P

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    6. Re:Contact a Museum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about asking the real experts: Google.

      Are you serious? Have you seen Google's scans? They SUCK.

    7. Re:Contact a Museum by dangitman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You don't want to ask for Google's advice. They have some of the worst scans possible.

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  5. Oblig: Steven Wright by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Funny

    Obviously I cannot put those maps onto my 80 scanner and go. Some of them are really large (1.5m x 1.5m roughly, I believe) ...

    I have a map of the U.S. - its actual size. The legend says "1 mile = 1 mile".
    People ask me where I live and I say, "E4".

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    1. Re:Oblig: Steven Wright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You live in the ocean?

    2. Re:Oblig: Steven Wright by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 2, Funny

      You sunk my battleship!

    3. Re:Oblig: Steven Wright by LoverOfJoy · · Score: 1

      I have a map of the U.S. - its actual size. The legend says "1 mile = 1 mile".
      People ask me where I live and I say, "E4".

      That would be fun to play a long game of Risk on.

    4. Re:Oblig: Steven Wright by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder how long it takes to fold that map...or do you roll it to avoide creases?

    5. Re:Oblig: Steven Wright by Obyron · · Score: 1

      I thought Jorge Luis Borges had died, but apparently he still browses Slashdot.

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    6. Re:Oblig: Steven Wright by blackraven14250 · · Score: 2, Funny

      The last time they tried that, it lasted for about 4 years.

  6. Re:set course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I guess you should have used a more up to date map.

  7. Is this in the US? by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2, Informative

    If so, give USGS a call. They may well be interested in helping you with this and obtaining data from the maps. I can't say for sure, of course, but this is the sort of thing they do. When it comes to map data for the US, they are the go to guys. Call them up, tell them what you've got and what you want to do, see if they can put you in touch with someone in their agency who'd be interested in helping.

    1. Re:Is this in the US? by vivin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I doubt it's in the US :) Based off the currency he used for his scanner (€80) I'd say that he's somewhere in Europe :) Good suggestion though. I wonder if the country he is in (or Europe in general) has a similar organization.

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    2. Re:Is this in the US? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good call in mentioning the USGS, but unless the person is an immigrant to the US or an extrememly comitted anglophile, I doubt they would have given dimensions in meters (sorry, metres).

    3. Re:Is this in the US? by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1

      Didn't even notice the Euros in the post. Oops.

    4. Re:Is this in the US? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ordnance Survey in the UK is a similar organisation that could well be worth a phone call, They do maps predominantly for the UK but also for Europe...

  8. Triangles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Not ALL features will change. Once you get them to a scale you can use, use three points on both maps, such as mountain peaks or a particular coastal feature. When overlaid and aligned, it should be fairly accurate.

    1. Re:Triangles by ImOnlySleeping · · Score: 1

      Local scale coastal features are more than likely nowhere near where they were 100 years ago. The mountains I like though.

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    2. Re:Triangles by vtcodger · · Score: 1

      I'm no expert on this, but I do know that several of the authors of parts of the Vermont Geological Surveys in the early years of the twentieth century, had extremely un-nice things to say about the accuracy of the USGS maps of the era. It is apparently very difficult to mark a rock outcrop on a map if you are perched on the bank of a stream and your map says you are on top of a hill. I would guess that maps of other places from the same era might be as bad or worse. If there is a land survey like the US's Public Land Survey or Canada's Dominion Land Survey and the survey points are marked on the maps, that might help a lot. My understanding is that here in North America, they don't move those even if they turn out to be in the wrong place.

      Anyway, the project sounds like a lot more fun than most programming/computer stuff.

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  9. Some Inexpensive Methods for Digitizing by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'd suggest appealing to Google or the brothers that did tapestries for the Met. What are these maps of? Is there a society for the place that they cover where you could appeal for funds under the pretense that you publicly release the maps?

    Assuming all those avenues are exhausted, let's look at some cheap and dirty DIY methods. I'm assuming you've got a MP digital camera. There are sub $100 ten megapixel cameras out there but don't get anything with a fancy digital zoom. Next you'll need mosaicking software or if you're into software, you can try your own implementation of the KLT algorithm.

    First off, practice all of this on layed out newspapers while developing your preferred methodology.

    Your cheapest and most haphazard option is going to be lay the maps flat on the floor and cut a length of string with a washer on it (two to three feet?). Try to use brightly diffused lighting so that is normalized in the mosaics with no shots of your shadow over the maps. Now this is backbreaking but hold the camera flat over the map with the string extended in front of it so you can keep the distance to the map consistent. Don't angle the camer as this will slightly distort that tile and hinder the mosaicking. Put plastic bags on your feet if you need to walk on the maps. Take a picture, move a few feet in a grid style, take another picture. Rinse, wash, repeat until you have images covering all of the map. Collect the images and put them on the computer and verify the mosiacking works before preparing the map for storage forever.

    A better method would be similar but to construct a large wooden rectangular box with plexiglass as a top so that you can fit this structure over the largest of the maps. Then cut holes in the plexiglass so that you can set your camera at a plane level to the surface of the map into the plexiglass. You might want to put an adapter on your camer that allows the lens and flash to be free of obstruction. You could make the tiles more uniform and save your back some work but you need to build and buy the materials for the structure. I think this is more time consuming but your best bet and will allow you to gather more images with less distortion.

    Above all, remember to save the original images! It's probable that later better algorithms will be developed to normalize the images, remove distortions, light problems, shadows and increase clarity on your overlapping sections. If you do the plexiglass route, you could manufacture it so that every bit of the map is photographed three or four times.

    Not professional, not flawless but cheap and dirty. Hope this helps.

    As for the geocoding, what are the maps of? You should actually check out the feature extraction of the KLT algorithm and consider using that methodology for syncing these up with maps. That will require human intervention though to identify the features, I'm sure.

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    1. Re:Some Inexpensive Methods for Digitizing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mosaicking? Really? Shame on whoever modded you insightful.

    2. Re:Some Inexpensive Methods for Digitizing by pbhj · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "First off, practice all of this on layed out newspapers while developing your preferred methodology. "

      If you use laid out graph paper you'll be able to tell how much distortion you're introducing into your "scans".

    3. Re:Some Inexpensive Methods for Digitizing by EricTheO · · Score: 1

      I saw a Documentary on PBS/Discovery/National Geographic(?) about said Brothers. This was the same suggestion I was thinking of. A simple gantry frame to support a camera and lightsystem could be made from parts at your local hardware store. The only big issue would be not having the gantry frame bend under it's ownweight plus the camera lighting rigs weight. The software the brothers developed wouldn't be needed as the map wouldn't have warp and weave distortion to account for.

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  10. Military use by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know that the US military has some large map scanners, so specialized equipment for this task does exist.

  11. DIY? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Im going to suggest taking apart a flatbed and laying the map out on a large white surface. Then scanning the map in sections by hand, and digital stitching together the resulting image strips. This would probably be the cheapest and quickest solution (and then only you handle the maps so if something gets damaged, its no-one else's fault). As far as Geo-coding, im not familiar with anything along those lines, so your on your own... however "best guess" approach will probably be sufficient for projects needing moderate accuracy. You can probably find tutorials on taking apart scanners for similar use (not exact but this is DIY remember) over at www.hackaday.com they have some really interesting projects there, and iirc one that involved a disassembled scanner for one use or another. On any note, good luck with your project... wishing you success!

  12. Hard to Do by carp3_noct3m · · Score: 4, Informative

    I actually have a strange fascination with old maps myself, and regularly crawl the web for all kinds of antique maps. One overwhelming commonality I have noticed is that even recent maps can often be wildly wrong. So for example, an 1600ish map of Europe will be so wildly inaccurate that you would only be able to pick one point on that map to apply geolocation specific coordinates, the rest would not match up. So, I know I didn't answer your question, but I just think that unless they are accurate maps, it would be a very hard challenge.

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    1. Re:Hard to Do by tbradshaw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, that's certainly true if you apply a specific scale to the map, but another method would be to attach geo-coordinates to landmarks on the map and then use interpolation to determine location otherwise.

      In this way, if you were "moving on the map" between two locations that are a different distance apart on the map than reality, your "dot" would just move faster. Positional accuracy would be a continuum that increases in accuracy the nearer one is to a particular point of interest.

    2. Re:Hard to Do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Where the wrongness is a matter of scales, this can be handled by some deft stretching. You identify points - crossroads are good - by hand, and bend and spindle the scanned map accordingly. When a map is hilariously wrong this still gives more-or-less garbage, but even medieval maps often have the villages (or churches) in roughly the right layout, so stretch-correcting is useful.

      The OpenStreetMap folks use this to pimp aerial photography and scanned old maps for use as base layers prior to tracing by mapping minions like me. Try the OSM-Talk mailing list as a point of contact: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

    3. Re:Hard to Do by The_Wilschon · · Score: 1

      It might be interesting to see how many control points you would need to distort the maps (along a spline or something) and get quite close to accurate.

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    4. Re:Hard to Do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Perhaps you could use morphing software to morph identifiable key points on the map to the same points on a modern map?

    5. Re:Hard to Do by martas · · Score: 1

      one possible solution would be to find a set of potential reference points, and then apply some kind of transformation on the map so all the points match their true positions at once. would be a fun thing to look at. though you'd need some assumptions about the nature of error in maps, i.e. what sort of distortions did people draw with in the first place. and you'd either need experienced mapologists for that (yeah i know that's not a word), or tons of data.

    6. Re:Hard to Do by martas · · Score: 1

      oh, right, cartographers....

    7. Re:Hard to Do by pablodiazgutierrez · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the same thing. I think this is a great idea for a SIGGRAPH type of project, and one that might even have some useful implications for historians.

    8. Re:Hard to Do by tocs · · Score: 1
      I will concur. In my experience with this sort of thing the most difficult part is dealing with coordinate systems and datum. There are a lot of really obscure local datums that have been used threw the years. Also, even for pretty recent maps the accuracy of the map depends on the survey.

      From From a NOAA page about chart accuracy and precision.
      "Positioning of Survey Data The methods used to acquire the underlying survey data will also affect accuracy. NOAA has specified stringent accuracy standards for collection of data by its survey vessels. Currently, surveys are being conducted to DGPS accuracy. However, for surveys performed prior to the mid 1990’s, the accuracy requirement was only 1.5mm at the scale of the survey as few surveys of years past were able to match DGPS accuracies. For example, on a 1:20,000-scale harbor approach survey, an accuracy of 1.5mm equates to 30 meters. NOAA makes every effort to produce the most accurate chart possible given the available data. The prudent mariner should pass shoals or isolated dangers with utmost caution, no matter what navigation method is used." That is not to say you cannont get good results just that you have to be careful.

    9. Re:Hard to Do by KlausBreuer · · Score: 1

      Yes, but city maps often are quite close to reality - and there's always the option to distort the maps slightly, making them fit better over the Google Maps...

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    10. Re:Hard to Do by houghi · · Score: 1

      I would think that you need as many points as possible. On old maps it won't be a standard disortion. It will be a disortion from point to point. Say you have 5 churches on a line (1 dimension) and on the map it is 1 cm/inch between each church. The real distance could be 1km/mile from A to B. 2 for B to C 1.5 C to D and 0.5 from D to E. Ok, most likely the differences won't be that big, but you should get the idea.

      So you can not just say to take A C and E and then calculate B and C. Adding a second dimension will be a bit more complicated to explain, but the idea is the same.

      It would be neat to see how disorted the grid would be and where the biggest differences/errors are.
      Would it be something like http://im-possible.info/images/articles/escher_printgallery/escher_grid.jpg
      or more like http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/miscellaneous/cube2cyl/grid_00000.jpg
      And will it depend on map maker or period the map was made in or any other reason why this would be happening.

      On European maps a lot of todays roads are still the same as the roads the Romans (what did they ever do for us?) made.

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  13. University Libraries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know that some University libraries are equipped to handle this kind of work. In particular, the Knight Library at the University of Oregon has a department dedicated to digitizing old works like this.

  14. University cartography or geography department by molo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You might want to find the local university cartography or geography department. They will probably already have a method of doing this, or at least could point you to someone who does. Here's an example: http://mapmaker.rutgers.edu/ and their historical maps: http://mapmaker.rutgers.edu/MAPS.html

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    1. Re:University cartography or geography department by ClaytonianG · · Score: 1

      In addition to the cartography/geography department, some universities do this in a GIS department. GIS departments will likely be great sources for information on digitizing. Just read the bios of the professors in the departments and email the ones that sound like they would be interested. If the university is not interested in helping you, chances are you'll be able to find some cheap and high quality slave^H^H^H^H^H grad student labor to do this for you. Also check if your local university has a population/demographics center; they also tend to be interested in this type of data.. Old maps are of high value for historians as well.

      Now if you are not wanting to share the contents of the maps, that might put a hiccup in this strategy.

    2. Re:University cartography or geography department by Lunatrik · · Score: 1

      I second this - if you happen to live near Atlanta, GA Georgia State has a nice cartography / GIS lab. UGA used to as well. Most state colleges will have a geography program or GIS certificate, either way you go you should find people ready and willing to help!

    3. Re:University cartography or geography department by jaitropmange · · Score: 1

      I also agree - my small regional university had huge scanners for maps in the geography / environmental sciences dept. They'd probably scan them for free in order to get a copy for themselves.

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    4. Re:University cartography or geography department by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have done something similar to this working for a Historical GIS lab at the University of Saskatchewan.

      We had transparent mylar sheets that had been overlaid onto a map and features were sketched in. Our task was to scan these in and georectify them so that they could be used as the basis for GIS layers on a map.

      The sheets were 3 or 4 feet square but not fragile.

      The department has a large format scanner (42" wide) that feeds in the document and scans it to a TIFF image file. The scanner has rollers to feed the map in and then it comes out the other end. If your map is very fragile this may not work. The other option is a large format flatbed scanner.

      I would not recommend photographing the map as it will have lots of distortion and will be difficult to georectify properly.

      The easiest way to georectify the scanned image is to mark up points in which you know the latitude and logitude - if possible. If you have at least 6 points that cover a large area with correct coordinates that it is a trivial matter to georectify the image with GIS software.

      GIS software and the equipment I describe is quite expensive so check with a geography department at your local university.

    5. Re:University cartography or geography department by Man+Eating+Duck · · Score: 1

      Just read the bios of the professors in the departments and email the ones that sound like they would be interested.

      I second this, except I would recommend calling the department and explaining what you're interested in, the receptionist will transfer you to the right person. Explain what you want, and they'll probably grant you an appointment or give you an extended explanation over the phone.

      I've done this several times, researchers love it when a lay-person is interested in their niche expertise, provided that your question is not mundane. Make sure to state that you're not a journalist looking for a sound bite.

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  15. Digital camera + HUGIN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It can do the orthorectification along with the blending and exposure compensation. You could even do it as an HDR to really preserve it!

  16. UTM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Universal Transverse Mercator (UTM) co-ordinate system will be the easiest to apply to your maps. I would start by researching "world files." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_file

  17. Your maps are probably wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Turns out a lot of pre-GPS maps are not that accurate.

  18. Do you have lat/long? by e2d2 · · Score: 1

    OP didn't mention if these maps have lat/long data in them. If so then you are good to go with using Google Earth and it's KML format to describe the map and it's inherit location on the globe using lat/long points of known locations or map end points.

    If you do not have lat/long you may need to match up the map with an existing map using something like google earth and overlay it until it lines up properly. Then you can get the end points for the map and, again, use KML to describe where it should reside.

    1. Re:Do you have lat/long? by codegen · · Score: 1

      Lat/Long mapping is what he is probably after. The latitude of a particular location is not exactly fixed. It depends on the reference geode used. You can have three maps of the same location specify different latitudes. GPS, for example use WGS84, but many older maps in North America use NAD 27. Official Gov of Canada maps use CSRS. In fact better GPS units allow you to change the reference geode in the software to match the one on your map.

      If you take a map with coordinates in WGS84 and try to align it with one of the older maps, you are going to be surprised.

      As for the original question, the poster should look into giclee printing services. Giclee printing is a pigment based printing on art paper or canvas. Most Giclee printing services also offer laser scanning as well as a means of high quality prints of the original art.

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  19. Contact your local universities by RingDev · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Really, history majors will love this stuff. Giving them maps and a concept of Google maps overlays for real time comparisons to modern maps will likely be a capstone project for some undergrad.

    A few years ago while working for the State of Wisconsin's Board of Commissioners of Public Lands we worked with the University of Wisconsin: Madison to get all of the original land plat maps of the state digitized, indexed and search-able. Same type of deal, huge maps on really old paper that had to be vault kept with humidity and temperature controls.

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  20. Digicam? by natehoy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Focus on the preservation of the imagery first, obviously, because once that's gone it's gone forever.

    The cheapest option is a large-megapixel digicam known for good image quality. SLR would probably be a good bet. You can take multiple images and stitch them together without too much trouble, so you can get reasonably fine detail with a little work even with a $200 consumer camera. Or, alternatively, hire a professional photographer and have him/her take really high resolution photos of the maps. The advantage of this approach is that you don't have to take the maps anywhere or do anything special with them. Just lay them out on a low table or the floor and align a camera over them, and take heavily-overlapping shots.

    Large-format scanners might cost some serious coin even to use for a one-time project like this, but would probably yield better results with less effort.

    You might check with local companies that deal in maps and cartography, they might be able to recommend ways of saving the imagery, and some might even offer to help out if the maps may be of commercial interest (they might even share the proceeds with you in addition to giving you high-res digital images).

    But I'd say if the maps are truly delicate, your first focus should be to take the highest-resolution images you can of them now, even if it's multiple images per map that need to be stitched. That way, you have *something* preserved in case one or more of the maps is destroyed or deteriorates further before you can preserve it.

    If there are particularly interesting features of the map, use the MACRO feature on your camera - most stitching programs can integrate images at different scales and preserve a lot of detail. I used the "Hugin" pano toolkit (free) to stitch together about 100 random photos I took at the top of the Eiffel Tower into an impressive contiguous 360 panoramic shot, and it was literally a "here are the pictures, figure it out" process. The pictures were all taken at different zoom levels, different angles, and all sorts of issues, yet it looked like a Google Street View 360 image. This was 5 years ago, I can't imagine how much better the technology is today.

    The geolocation shouldn't be all that hard - it's a matter of choosing a few points on the map and identifying their coordinates accurately. Of course, if there are few/no reference points it gets a lot harder. http://www.openstreetmap.org/ is a good starting point to a group that does free, open-source mapping. They or some of their related sites might possibly have a tool that does what you want. Also, a professional cartographer may be able to help you out as well.

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  21. Look to the professionals by ultraexactzz · · Score: 1

    This'll sound stupid, but call your local municipal government. My city, for example, has a nice big scanner that works well for old and well-worn maps. They might even scan the maps for free, esp. if they can keep copies (if your maps include their jurisdiction). Your other option may be to contact a blue-print or architectural printer - even if they don't offer this sort of service, they may know someone in your area who can help.

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  22. Talk to a curator by The_Wilschon · · Score: 4, Informative

    Another possibility would be a really high resolution digital camera. My wife (historical linguist) has dealt some with manuscripts, and that was their method of digitizing them for further study. OTOH, she's not a museum curator or archivist; they probably have even better methods. If you want to do it right, talk to a curator or archivist of some sort. They deal with much more fragile and much more valuable documents on a regular basis.

    I don't have any good ideas to contribute about the geocoding, unfortunately.

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    1. Re:Talk to a curator by David+Gerard · · Score: 1

      Yep. Glass over map, good high-resolution camera mounted above (as far as possible), long steady exposure. Maybe some stitching afterwards.

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    2. Re:Talk to a curator by KlaymenDK · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seconded. Get some quality gear. As in, contact your local university or museum, they are bound to have (connections to some place with) the proper equipment.

      What's this for? If you would be willing to donate digital copies, or even the originals (if you feel they would be better able to take proper care of them), I bet they would gladly provide the time and resources.

      Good luck!

    3. Re:Talk to a curator by artson · · Score: 2, Informative
      For alobar72; this is the sort of problem I sometimes had when I was in the Canadian Foreign Military Mapping Agency a few years ago. A few things come to mind: such as your location. Where you are will affect your options.

      I'll assume you are a European and suggest the nearest large university cartographic library. They are knowledgeable, helpful and it's the sort of thing they do. They are also all in touch with the other universities, so you will have lots of resources to draw upon.

      If you are in an ex-colonial country (England, Holland, Belgium, France or Germany), then the military mapping agency may be able to offer you some help. Your national geographic service may well offer you some good advice.

      There are a couple of other considerations. Are you willing to share the digital data with those who help you? Are you concerned with keeping your maps intact (I hope so). The projection of the maps is going to affect geo location code as well. The older the map, the less likely its projection will be accurate at all. Do you have any idea of the scale of the maps? At any rate, you need professional help and the most likely folks are at the nearest large university.

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    4. Re:Talk to a curator by Anachragnome · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The geocoding is going to be a BITCH.

      The scanning, you'll find out is going to be the easy part.

      As a collector of maps, you should know that old maps use different projections to display a 3D object on a 2D surface--the Earth on paper--and that in addition they also use different scales. Sometimes convention is tossed out the window and a map uses neither standard projections nor consistent scale. The older the map, the more this is likely.

      In order to apply coordinates to these maps, coordinates that are usable for anything other then simple viewing, you will have to find some way of morphing a grid with coordinates across the images you have after scanning. It might be something as simple as creating a transparent layer in Photoshop that can be stretched to align properly. My guess is that you would need some sort of custom plug-in for this to deal with the various projections used on the map images. Scaling shouldn't be an issue unless it is inconsistent and changes across the image.

      Any graphics whizzes out there that can expand on this?

      I agree with the posts suggesting photography as a means to capture the images. Glass over the map and careful consideration of reflections on said glass, combined with rather inexpensive camera gear will produce something on par with a desktop scanner. Even cheap cameras these days have pretty high definition. Most definitely the least destructive.

    5. Re:Talk to a curator by electrostatic · · Score: 1

      ...that can be stretched to align properly.... Any graphics whizzes out there that can expand on this?

      There's a free program -- autostitch.exe -- that does a superb job of combining images into a panorama. It's a "demo" but is very suitable for your map-scanning application.

      To generate a panorama image, the camera (lens, actually) is kept at one position and panned left/right/up/down to create multiple overlapping images that fully cover the scene. I've combined up to 154 JPGs into a single panorama. It's all automatic, given these considerations: (1) all input images are placed in one folder, (2) at least 1/3rd of each image is overlapped with left/right/above/below images, (3) the camera is kept in portrait-only or landscape-only orientation for all shots, and (4) select Edit/Options setting before you open the folder of input images. Re (4), Options: keep the defaults except for Output Size/Percentage and System Memory. Adjust those to suit your requirements.

      But you aren't creating a panorama. You want to stitch map images together. In this case, keep the camera exactly perpendicular to the (glass-covered) map, and move the map in relatively equal increments to achieve sufficient overlap. I suggest about 50% overlap in each direction, meaning that every spot should appear in at least two images horizontally and two vertically.

      You will be amazed at the complete absence of any stitching artifacts -- you likely won't notice any at all (assuming adequate overlap). Autostitch automatically determines "adjacency" of images. This means that it makes absolutely no difference in what order or sequence the images are shot, or numbered and named in the folder. It also takes care of slight differences in camera rotation, perspective, amount of zoom, color and light levels without generating visible artifacts! As I say, amazing.

      Download th zip, which has test images of a mountain scene and run it with the defaults. The output file is named pano.jpg and located in the input folder.

      http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file/fid,63928-order,1-page,1-c,alldownloads/description.html/

    6. Re:Talk to a curator by Telecommando · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, Autostitch probably won't work for this application.

      From the FAQ:

      Q: Does AutoStitch support planar stitching, such as flatbed scans or aerial photographs?

      A:The demo version of AutoStitch assumes that the camera is rotating about a point, so distortions will be visible when stitching multiple views of a planar surface. We hope to add planar stitching functionality in the future.

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    7. Re:Talk to a curator by ockegheim · · Score: 1

      You could always put together your rows, rotate them 90 degrees and put them together for your columns

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    8. Re:Talk to a curator by Jaysyn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's called rubbersheeting & and some GIS suites can help you do it, or have extensions that will. Pretty sure AutoCAD Map can do it too if you have Raster Design installed.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubbersheeting

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    9. Re:Talk to a curator by ZosX · · Score: 2, Informative

      you could also try hugin and play with the various projections that are rectangular. hugin uses autopano-c and seems to work pretty good. ideally get yourself a copy of photoshop cs4 and just use file->automate->photomerge and try automatic and then "reposition only" if it is for some reason trying to project on a spherical surface. the lack of seams and stitching errors in photoshop's tool really amazes me compared to other pano programs I've used. I really liked hugin and did a lot of cool stuff with it, but as soon as you throw in water or anything that moves it just really seems to break down. photoshop always gives me perfect water with smooth looking waves.....i'm sure I could probably get more smoother results from hugin, but why bother when I can just click twice and be done?

    10. Re:Talk to a curator by abuthemagician · · Score: 0

      I know its an MS product, but Microsoft ICE worked extremely well for stitching photos together, and it has algorithms to use the clearest parts of the photos.

    11. Re:Talk to a curator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have a 4X5 or 8X10 transparency shot by a professional who knows how to shoot artwork. The lighting will be critical...you will damage (fading etc.) the artwork a lot less and you will have a really good master to work from. It will always be readable and resolution independent unlike digital files.

    12. Re:Talk to a curator by koona · · Score: 1

      This sounds like a hoot.

      Two indispensible tools would be: MB-Ruler which helps you to measure distances and angles on the screen and distances on a map or air photo at: http://www.markus-bader.de/MB-Ruler/ .

      And Solution for calculating the solution of a right angled triangle.
      It's features include: Calculates lengths and angles if two are known.
      User defined number of decimal places

      http://www.rabsoft.co.uk/software/solution/soldownload.php

      douglas

    13. Re:Talk to a curator by timbos · · Score: 1

      In order to apply coordinates to these maps, coordinates that are usable for anything other then simple viewing, you will have to find some way of morphing a grid with coordinates across the images you have after scanning. It might be something as simple as creating a transparent layer in Photoshop that can be stretched to align properly. My guess is that you would need some sort of custom plug-in for this to deal with the various projections used on the map images. Scaling shouldn't be an issue unless it is inconsistent and changes across the image.

      Any graphics whizzes out there that can expand on this?

      Even inconsistent scaling shouldn't be a problem. The company I work for sells PIV software (to measure fluid flows) and that has a dewarping algorithm which can correct for distortions caused by curved windows and off-plane camera alignment. I'm pretty sure that something like it could be applied to an old map that has incorrectly positioned features to bring them onto a sensibly shaped square grid for geocoding.

    14. Re:Talk to a curator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Archivists are more concerned with preserving and categorizing the original work; they don't have the know-how or the staff to digitize their entire libraries.

      The best bet would either be hand scanning or a high resolution digital camera.

    15. Re:Talk to a curator by Jon_S · · Score: 2, Informative

      Raster reprojection is done all the time in GIS, so this would be nothing new. Google Earth has plenty of georferenced old maps available as overlays, and I've made a few myself. Yes, some distortion would be introduced by the camera (as opposed to scanning), but since the projections may be arbitrary or off anyway, all this gets corrected at the same time.

      It is true that you have to have some common points to current georeferenced maps in order to do this, of course. But there should be enough, and if not, then at least you are not introducing new errors.

      You can do this either in the closed source ArcGIS georeferencing tools, or using open source GRASS (http://grass.osgeo.org/wiki/Georeferencing)

    16. Re:Talk to a curator by Jon_S · · Score: 1

      Replying to my own post, I know, bad form but I love this stuff.

      One more thought: If you go with the camera-above-the-map approach, the distortion you add in beyond whatever inaccuracies were already there is the fact that the distance from the lens to the center of the map is less than the distance to the edges of the map.

      But this problem has already been solved, as that is how USGS and others make orthophoto maps. They have the same error introduced by the camera and differing distances to center and edges, plus the error that distances change due to elevation.

      You could use the same tools they use to correct for that. The rolling hills part is normally corrected by using the digital elevation model (DEM) data in the algorithm. For this application, you would just say everything is at sea level (flat), and the distance above the ground the photo is taken at would be in scale units (i.e. if your camera is 10 meters above the map, and the map scale is 1:10,000, the "elevation of the photo" is 1,000 meters.

      I've done orthorectification before using the GRASS module i.ortho.photo (http://grass.itc.it/grass64/manuals/html64_user/i.ortho.photo.html) Nothing in GRASS is easy, but it all works.

    17. Re:Talk to a curator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ideal scenario is a linear array scanner that images on a flat bed (as opposed to sheet fed). The W.E. Upjohn Center for the Study of Geographical Change in Kalamazoo, MI (USA) houses three of these scanners, which actually have SPOT ccd units as opposed to cameras which allow for 16bit depth on all three channels (RGB) and extremely high pixel counts WITHOUT the need for stitching algorithms. Further, the flat beds won't damage your fragile documents, AND the lights introduce less than 1 degree of heat exposure. The final, and most important point, is that these images will be captured with the HIGHEST GEOMETRIC ACCURACY which is essential for scanning maps to be georeferenced. The capacity for your document to be georeferenced relies greatly on its year of publication, and the accuracy of datums at that time. For more info visit: https://ucgc.welborn.wmich.edu/

  23. Define 'Quite a few' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quite a few = 30, or
    Quite a few = 3000

    Different approaches will make sense at different project scales.

  24. We can help! by Richard+Fairhurst · · Score: 5, Informative

    First, ask on the OpenStreetMap mailing lists. There's lots of us who've done this kind of stuff before, and we'd be really pleased to help. I collected, scanned and rectified the Ordnance Survey's New Popular Edition - a complete set of England and Wales maps from the '50s, now out of copyright. It's all available in OpenStreetMap as a background layer and loads of people use it for adding rural roads, rivers, placenamese etc. Others are scanning other old Ordnance Survey series right now. Seriously, we love this kind of stuff. (#osm on OFTC can help too.)

    Secondly, GDAL is definitely your friend. It's the most amazing set of command-line tools for rectifying and reprojecting data. gdalwarp and gdal_translate are probably the two you'll use most.

    1. Re:We can help! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      placenamese

      It's a language of its own.

  25. Blue print company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Take it to a high volume blueprint company ("your city name" Blueprint, Dodge Plan Room, etc.)

    Most have continuous feed scanners designed for E size drawings or larger, and the one next door sells 6'x10' city maps they print on site.

    As far as the geocoding, I'll leave that to those more qualified.

    1. Re:Blue print company by cskrat · · Score: 1

      Except that, from the poster's description, these maps are in no condition to survive any sort of feed mechanism.

      My layman's recommendation would be to follow Wilschon's advice above and use a digital camera to digitize them. You'll probably want to rig a mount system that will allow you to move the camera on a parallel plane to whatever surface you have the map on.

      Depending on how accurate you want the digitization to be, you'll probably want to use much better lenses that are built in to a typical snapshot camera. You should solicit the advice of a photography expert to find out what lens setup would work best for capturing images of a flat plane at .3 to .6 meters with no distortion and consistent focus.

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    2. Re:Blue print company by sdpuppy · · Score: 3, Informative
      At the least, camera with telephoto lens or telephoto part of zoom would distort the image less than a wide angle, although the telephoto aspect would create more work in that more sections of the map would need photographing and you might need to be further away from the document.

      For best results generally you would use a SLR with Macro lens. This type of lens generally provides the flattest field at reasonable cost even when it is not used in macro mode.

      Then you've got architectural lenses, but those cost an arm and a leg and a foot - but then again, renting is always an option...

    3. Re:Blue print company by sdpuppy · · Score: 2, Informative
      Forgot to mention:

      If I had this project, I would start with digital SLR with telephoto macro lens.

      Lay the map on the floor and use a mat frame that has some weight to hold the section to be photographed down.

      Weight should be such that it holds the map down but doesn't press so hard that it damages the map. The idea of the frame is that it delimitates that area that you are photographing so that you have a reference to the next spot to photograph (should overlap a little). In addition, you have a reference for squareness of the picture should the camera not be perfect parallel to the map - in which case you can use a program such as Photoshop to correct the perspective (at least the versions that I have used it is in the "crop" tool - there is an option for perspective)

    4. Re:Blue print company by networkBoy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      no macro lens.

      What the OP needs is called a large format copy stand.
      You want a lens that is "normal" to your film size, thus 50mm on 35mm film as an example.

      for an APSc size sensor in a digital camera I think the normal lens would be ~30mm.

      I don't know if you want color information or not but honestly either way I would shoot film, then scan the result.
      For B&W, shoot Technical Pan film as an ISO of 6, develop in technidol developer (enlist advanced photo class people at a UNI to help with this). For color use Fuji Velvia at 50.

      The photo class people will have the copy stands and appropriate cover glass / filters to get the contrast you want as well.

      While I have not done maps, I have done large hand drawn artwork this way and the result is vastly better than you would get from directly shooting on a digital (IMHO).
      Cheers,
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    5. Re:Blue print company by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      If you have more than one lens available to you, you should test each beforehand and choose the one with the least barrel/pincushion distortion. This varies with focal length for zoom lenses, so you may be able to choose a focal length without such distortion.

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    6. Re:Blue print company by opposabledumbs · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, a tilt-shift would be the lens to go for. Architectural photography favours this type of lens because you can adjust it to match the plane of the subject, and it would be pretty easy to do this for the very easily identified image plane of the map under glass.

      Distortion-free in one easy step.

      More of a worry, really is getting all sections of each image evenly lit without reflections. Not as easy as you'd first assume.

    7. Re:Blue print company by plover · · Score: 1

      If he goes the camera route, longer prime focus lenses are likely to be his best choice. Zoom lenses may have a specific focal length that minimizes distortion, but almost all zoom lenses have more distortion than their fixed length counterparts.

      But I still think the best answer is a large flatbed scanner at a place that specializes in scanning old documents. Further down in the comments people have recommended that some local or state government agencies might have the equipment and the people to scan the maps for free if they can keep copies that have historical relevance.

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    8. Re:Blue print company by dangitman · · Score: 1

      I don't know if you want color information or not but honestly either way I would shoot film, then scan the result. For B&W, shoot Technical Pan film as an ISO of 6, develop in technidol developer (enlist advanced photo class people at a UNI to help with this). For color use Fuji Velvia at 50.

      Why would you do that, when shooting with a modern digital camera would give superior results?

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    9. Re:Blue print company by jwdb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why would you do that, when shooting with a modern digital camera would give superior results?

      His point is that it won't - It's a discussion that regularly comes up on photography forums. Color accuracy is generally considered better (with the right film) and I've heard resolution figures of 30 or 40 MP for 35mm film. This does assume you scan the negatives properly with a wet drum scanner, an expensive and complex piece of equipment.

      I shoot digital myself, but I'm planning to get a hold of a film body to do some comparisons. I don't have a scanner, nor can I develop, so then it becomes a question of how good is my local photo shop.

    10. Re:Blue print company by dangitman · · Score: 1

      His point is that it won't

      Say what??

      Color accuracy is generally considered better (with the right film)

      By who?

      and I've heard resolution figures of 30 or 40 MP for 35mm film.

      That's absolute horseshit, even with a drum scanner. 35mm film doesn't even approach the resolution of a 12 megapixel digital camera. It's closer to 6 megapixels.

      I shoot digital myself, but I'm planning to get a hold of a film body to do some comparisons. I don't have a scanner, nor can I develop, so then it becomes a question of how good is my local photo shop.

      I've shot 35mm film for years, and it's not even close. Digital wins in every metric. Those who say that film is superior are either victims of nostalgia, or haven't picked up a digital camera in the last 5 years.

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    11. Re:Blue print company by nbert · · Score: 1

      Even if your numbers are right it's so much cheaper to use 2 or 4 DSLRs with kit lenses (Canon's EF-S 18-55mm 1:3.5-5.6 IS for example has practically no distortion, so no reason to spend more than $ 175 on a lense). Most projects I've seen in the last year use the 450D, which costs roughly $ 600 including the lense I mentioned above. It features 12.2 MP and IIRC its successor will feature 15 MP for the same price. Canon is very popular in that field because they are the only manufacturer offering a stable API for accessing their cameras.

      You can find further information here. There is also Atiz which offers very promising sets including software. I haven't seen their products in action yet (they don't do much business in Europe) and AFAIK they only offer book scanning devices, but the software should be able to do maps as well.

      Another option is to use traditional overhead scanners. They are extremely expensive but their quality is unmatched. Zeutschel and Imageware are pretty large manufacturers.

    12. Re:Blue print company by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      you obviously have never shot techpan have you.
      I think digitals are great, but there is no comparison to the higher end films.

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    13. Re:Blue print company by emddudley · · Score: 1

      It is easy to correct lens distortion. Some of the first results on Google for camera calibration come up with a MATLAB script that will let you undistort images.

    14. Re:Blue print company by jwdb · · Score: 1

      I've used the 18-55 and on 18 you can see the barrel distortion when taking architectural photography. And for the price of 4 DSLRs you can get a good second-hand film body and a pro-class lens.

      Can't argue about the scanners, however.

    15. Re:Blue print company by jwdb · · Score: 1

      My numbers come from here: http://photo.net/learn/film/interviews/robert-caldarone

      An interview rather than a scientific article, I admit, but photo.net's a pretty decent site. We could go hunting for the technical specs of the film he mentions...

    16. Re:Blue print company by dangitman · · Score: 1

      you obviously have never shot techpan have you.

      I certainly have.

      I think digitals are great, but there is no comparison to the higher end films.

      Yes there is. Have you even seen the images from a modern professional DSLR?

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    17. Re:Blue print company by dangitman · · Score: 1

      An interview rather than a scientific article, I admit,

      Well, yeah. It's complete rubbish. The subject of the interview is highly biased, and doesn't provide any source for his claims. How about some actual data? This one is old, and shows digital cameras that are seven years old outperforming a quality film stock: link.

      How about other aspects of image quality? Digital beats film hands-down when it comes to signal-to-noise ratio (grain).

      But of course, film has a greater dynamic range than digital, doesn't it? Nope. Another myth.

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    18. Re:Blue print company by jwdb · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the links. I've only scanned them for the moment, but it does look like digital will give better results for the type of shots that I take. If the quality isn't going to be any better, no point in going through the extra hassle associated with film.

      Bit of a shame, really. I'm an analog junkie and I'd like to shoot film, but not if it's gonna be a noticeable step backwards.

    19. Re:Blue print company by nbert · · Score: 1

      On 55 on the other hand it's near perfect. I can't provide you with my own samples, but take a look at this.

      I don't know which solution provides better image quality, but I don't like the idea of being just half done after taking the shots.

    20. Re:Blue print company by sdpuppy · · Score: 1
      I don't understand your objection to a Macro lens. I am not suggesting that the lens be used in macro mode - the reason that I specifically indicated that type of lens is because they tend to be the sharpest lens available with the least distortion.

      I could understand if you thought I meant zoom macro which is another story. (I did neglect to specify "fixed length" lens.

      You are correct in saying that using (a good) film would produce superior results than shooting digital.

  26. Some other good options by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If not a museum, also try contacting your local university or historical society. They may also see value in your goal, and like the museum they might also take steps towards physical preservation in addition to doing digital archival.

    As for doing geocoding, you might try asking those type of questions on the Google Earth forums. From what I understand, Google Earth already has some nice tools for integrating different layers of map overlay data, and it should work great for what you're trying to do.

  27. Metacarta by Aurisor · · Score: 1

    I'd take a look at some of the projects at Metacarta labs (http://labs.metacarta.com/). I worked there for a couple years, and they do a lot with converting old maps into digital, interactive versions. If you get in touch with them, they have some super-enthusiastic people who can give you great advice.

  28. DSLR camera & Google maps API by Vandilzer · · Score: 1

    1. Digital SLR camera, pick your flavor, I like the Canon EOS 5D Mark II
    2. Tripod to Stabilize the camera and allow for constant distances & angle (right angle) when shooting... Your going to want something with a center column so you can adjust the hight without adjusting the legs.
    3. Some kind of ambient lighting to prevent shadows and so you can shoot at a low ISO (less noise) and a high f-stop
    4. Stitching software like this: http://cvlab.epfl.ch/~brown/autostitch/autostitch.html (If you are are using the tripod and keeping a constant distance any photo program should do.

    Put map on a surface, take many photos, stitch, takes some time for the first one but it will be quick once you get going.

    Old maps and geo coordinates...maybe a Google maps or earth API like this: http://code.google.com/apis/maps/documentation/overlays.html

  29. Use survey markers by Kreuzfeld · · Score: 1

    What type of maps are these?

    Many professional-style maps in the USA -- e.g. quad sheets, parcel/tract maps, etc. -- will have survey markers indicated. Ideally these would be set benchmark disks with longitude/latitude noted. Many maps also mark boundaries of townships, sections, and half- and quarter-sections, locations of which should be available from the local municipal authorities.

    These sort of well-defined points are probably your best bet for empirical location, but if your maps are 100 years old the coordinates may not be precise enough for digital overlays. In the end, you may well be forced to manually align your maps with something more modern.

  30. There are scanning services... by sgage · · Score: 1

    ... that can handle just about anything. I had a very large historical map/timeline (maybe 1m x 2m) scanned by a professional service, and they did a very good job. This was years ago. I would think you could find someone in your part of the world to do it.

    I also posted here to say that I think your project is a very worthy one. Good luck!

  31. Google Them by imscarr · · Score: 3, Funny

    Take photographs of them and put them on the internet. Google will automagically index them and add them to their street maps in real time.

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  32. GeoTIFF and slashgeo.org by agbinfo · · Score: 1

    Google for GeoTIFF and spend some time here

  33. Easy enough by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    Buy or borrow a high-end DSLR. Lay your maps out and provide good lighting (avoid using the flash). Because the images you produce will contain a lot of hard lines, any decent panorama software will stitch them together beautifully. I recommend Hugin, which is free. PhotoShop CS2 or better, if you have it, also does a really good job.

    Feel free to send me a copy. I love old maps.

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  34. Camera lense distortion by vcgodinich · · Score: 1
    I don't know if anyone has actually tried to do what the majority of people seem to be recommending on here, but it doesn't really work.

    Up close any camera will have significant distortion, way less resolution, and be much harder to control in terms of lighting / contrast / brightness.

    It might sound good and easy, but for anything archival it is such a bad idea. been there, tried that, went back to a scanner solution.

  35. Sheet Feed Scanner is the key. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Find a location that has a sheet feed scanner, put your map inside a scanning sleeve, then put it through the machine. Depending on the size of the scanner, you can scan practically anything flat.

    I scanned 100+ historical maps this way during my summer internship at WVU for the library. I used Photoshop to bring them in, then exported as a .tif. You can use the .tif along with ArcMap to georeference the figures to an aerial image.

  36. Cruse Scanner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Large format scanning (not just taking digital photos) - you have two options...
    1) Any drafting reprographics place should have a feeder style scanner that can duplicate blueprints, posters, etc. But this method is not great for fragile source material.
    2) My company has blueprint scanners, and one of these:
    http://www.crusedigital.com/cd_main.asp
    The bed moves under the lens allowing a 150 megapixel 2D scan of a 3D object. We have scanned lots of artwork and antique maps on this machine.
    Once you have a digital image you can make this into a GPSr map file. Tutorial here:
    http://www.gpsinformation.org/adamnewham/article1/gpsmapper.htm
    Sounds like an interesting project... Good luck!
    PS - I have to agree with earlier poster - lack of accuracy on the original map will skew your geolocation coordinates... Assign as many know geocoordinates as possible to you images.

  37. QGIS or ArcGIS for georeferencing by spandex_panda · · Score: 2, Informative

    Hi there, I am a spatial guy so thought my 0.02 may be worth something. I am not too sure about digitising them, maybe a print shop or as suggested in other posts you could talk to your local university geography department or a government mapping agency

    Once they are digital though you need to georeference them. As mentioned in the title of my post, it is easiest to use GIS to do this and you can use QGIS with relative ease. Install it using osgeo4w on windows or the ubuntu ppa for qgis. Alternatively if you have a license then use ArcGIS. If you have a map of the underlying roads for the maps you are digitising then what you do is find points on the roads and match them to points on the scanned images, this provides data for a transformation and will shift the map onto your coordinates.

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  38. cruzcam by MadCow42 · · Score: 1

    Find a service provider or museum with a digital Cruzcam. They are a copy stand with an integrated camera/scanner system meant for exactly what you need.

    Madcow

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  39. Lots of work required...believe me, I know by TimmyDee · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I spent a summer doing this in grad school for the Vegetation Type Mapper project at UC Berkeley. I'm not going to lie to you--it was a ton of work. But the results were cool. The site has all the old maps georeferenced, plus ways to download them.

    Needless to say, the library was involved in the project, as was a giant scanner. We relied on ERDAS Imagine software to georeference the old maps to current USGS base maps. There was also a lot of accuracy assessment involved to make sure we minimized error in the georeferencing process. Probably one of the trickiest parts was making sure the old landmark you were using as a control point had not substantially changed in the intervening decades.

    My professor and her colleagues published a paper detailing the project.

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  40. if you are in the UK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you could try companies which sell historical mapping e.g. landmark group http://www.envirocheck.co.uk/envirocheck/about_us.jsp their business is based on historical mapping and georeferencing and they may even be interested in paying for the data if they can resell it?

  41. Geocoding by spasm · · Score: 5, Informative

    Others seem to be describing some good solutions to getting the map scanned, so here's how to geocode and rectify the image using the open source Grass GIS software:

    Step 0:

    - You need to have a location already created in grass, with some contemporary data in it (physical features, roads etc where there's some concurrence with the map you're trying to geocode). The projection you've used doesn't matter much - a later step is going to be rectifying (ie distorting) the scanned map to match the projection of the digital map. The created location does need be at least as large as the scanned map (ie if the map is everything in a 5 km radius of some town, the grass location also needs to encompass at least a 5 km radius of the same town).

    Step 1:

    - Come up with a list of features/points which exist on both maps. Depending on the scale of the map, this could be intersections of specific roads, locations of towns, peaks of mountains etc. You're going to need an absolute minimum of five points for the rectification process to have any chance of working; more than fifteen is much better. Try and select points which are unlikely to have moved over time (coastline or river features for example). In grass, mouse over each point and record the coordinates.

    Step 2: import the scan

    In grass, do: r.in.gdal input=[path to scanned file] out=[Mapname] location=templocation

    Quit grass

    Step 3: target, point, rectify

    Open grass, but this time in the 'templocation' you created in step 2

    i.target group=groupMapname location=[modern map location name] mapset=PERMANENT
    i.group group=groupMapname in=Mapname
    d.mon start=x0
    i.points groupMapname

    d.mon will open a window; i.points will display the scan in it. Select the mapname in the dialog that appears, then one by one select each of the points you've identified as having concurrence with the modern map. In the terminal window, enter the coordinates for the point taken from the list you created in step 1. When done marking points, click 'quit'.

    i.rectify -a group=groupMapname extension=_1 order=1

    Depending on the size of your map and your processor speed, this bit may take a while. When done, quit grass.

    Step 4: admire output

    Open grass in the modern location. The scanned map will be available as a raster layer for display. The scan will have been rectified so the map matches the projection of the modern map layers - ie you'll be able to see what's moved and changed, and what exists now that didn't then etc. There's other grass commands which will help you convert features of interest (rivers, roads, contour lines, whatever) into vectors if you really want.

    If all this seems too hard, have a look at qgis - also open source mapping software; it's more gui-oriented and I know it has a georectifying plugin. I've just never used it.

    Good luck.

    1. Re:Geocoding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll second the Grass-GIS approach. It can be a pain to install, but it will definitely do everything you need for this project.

    2. Re:Geocoding by thogard · · Score: 1

      First consider map datums... Take an old city like New Orleans where there many attempts to survey it over its history. The early coordinates where based on some feature of the time such as a notable rock or tree. By the time the 1800s rolled around, they started using different base points but used things less likely to move over time. Now what happens when they mix? Here in Australia, the gold town of Bendigo was very well surveyed but the capitol had other ideas of where the origin of the co ordinate system was. The result is old maps of Bendigo are very accurate and precise but the maps of Melbourne are much worse with both precision and accuracy. It get odd when you know the church is 10,320.4312 meters north and 23.2332 of the town hall yet you only know the key point of the grid to +/-50m.

      The second thing to consider is the size of the unit of measure. Chains and Rods were common older units but there are lots of different versions of both. Until the metric system was widespread, local units were used for lots of reasons. For example a mile of rail is not the same as a mile of the sleepers that the rail sits on however if you order 150 miles of sleepers, you will find that 150 miles of rail will go on it and the train will travel 150 statute miles on that rail. Rail bridge miles are also different but all work out when combined. If I remember right, there are over 23 different versions of "mile" used in the US since the early 1800s. The book "units" has more details.

      The last thing to consider is "what is real north?" While we all know the earth is round, its just much easier to cope with mapping if you assume local areas are flat. You can see this in the US by looking at section line roads in rural Kansas where the north/south roads take steps to keep the grid clean.

      You also can run into places where they used magnetic north until they figured out that was wrong or the natural drift happened. In the 1800s it was common to abandon a bad compass at the next port if it was in error and couldn't be corrected. These devices were often sold to local surveyors who then laid out towns incorrectly. I wonder of Melbourne had that problem.

  42. treasure map? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this possibly a treasure map? is that why you need to overlay it? I want in.

  43. Laqrge-format scanner by brindafella · · Score: 1

    There are a few makers of large-format scanners. Océ is one. http://global.oce.com/products/wideformat/technical-documents/scanners/default.aspx

    These are not cheap, or common. They are likely found in places where maps, charts, technical drawings, or similar are printed on large-format printers. I would be asking friends who work in government offices or land-planning areas whether they have a large-format printer (and an associated scanner) somewhere, and then see about arranging a "side-job" out of business hours.

    The scanned images are quite large, so expect to also bring several CDs or DVDs to transfer the files.

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  44. Use a digital camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you do the math, a 1.5m x 1.5m map at 100dpi (screen quality) is only ~34,810,000 pixels. You can capture 40 million pixels with a modern medium-format digital camera. Of course, there is no requirement that you use a single photo. With a good tripod and a typical 'point-n-shoot' or DSLR camera, you can stitch multiple photos into a single high-resolution mosaic.

  45. Read up on how David Rumsey's doing it ... by timothy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Saw a great presentation at OSCON a few years back about the massive digitzation effort undertaken by David Rumsey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rumsey): See http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/where2005/view/e_spkr/1867 -- Drew a well-deserved standing ovation.

    In the course of the talk, I think he said that he'd scanned the first 10,000 maps (though even 1,000 sounds ridiculous -- maybe it was 1,000) before hiring assistance.

    Of course, he had more money to play with, so he probably had a pretty big scanner ;)

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  46. Location, Location by esme · · Score: 1

    Several people have mentioned good resources (museums, local government, geography dept., etc.). I'd add university libraries to that list (especially the maps or special collections departments). But the most important thing is location. Since you don't want to move the maps more than necessary, and if the maps are of your local area, then the library/museum/government in your area will be most interested in them.

    For geocoding the maps, I think you'll need to figure out what you're going to do with them. If you want to do overlays in Google Earth, then using KML will probably be the best. If you want to use some other GIS software, then whatever formats it accepts, etc.

  47. Use panoramic stitching / Gigapixel technology. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Hi, I'm a panoramic photographer, (I have shot panoramas up to 18 gigapixels in size, which currently seems to be a world record) so I hopefully am speaking from experience. What you want to do is basically shoot a panoramic image of your map.

    You should situate your map as flat as possible, and shoot photos of it from a perpendicular point of view - best to hang it on a wall I guess. In the case of a very fragile map, sure, you can lay it on the floor. Take care to light it evenly.

    You can then use PTGui (my favorite panoramic stitching software by far - only a satisfied customer talking) to stitch the images together into one perfectly seamless image.

    Some key things to remember are to keep the map as flat as possible. A long lens is probably better, but you can use a macro lens also.

    PTGui has a very handy feature called "viewpoint correction" which can join different images *of a flat surface* together, even if you didn't shoot these images from the same point (this is useful for panoramic photography when we want to capture the area below the tripod). In the case of shooting your maps, this will be very handy indeed.

    Feel free to contact me via my website's contact form (360 cities dot net) and I can help advise further if you want.

    good luck,
    Jeffrey Martin

    1. Re:Use panoramic stitching / Gigapixel technology. by aaron_pet · · Score: 1

      if he cares about details... he will need to have the tripod positions known, lens type known, and take pictures of reference items of simple geometry to verify the stitching and other perspective errors.

      He can recreate the lens/ camera / geometry structure in a 3d studio type application, and reverse it to make a relatively distortion free copy.

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  48. Quick post since I am heading out by anlprb · · Score: 5, Informative

    Contact a local Licensed Land Surveyor. We are in the business of coordinating maps and making sure they are properly referenced. We also know the difference between NAD83 and NGVD29. This and the other coordinate system conversions and the proper use of scale factor in SPCS (State Plane Coordinate Systems) is something we do every day. Plus, most of us are really into local history and could possibly show you some other really neat uses for that data. Historic societies are always looking for ways to map past events. When speaking with a Surveyor, we can usually know what the practice for a given time period was. There are three different lengths for a foot that I have come across working. International Foot (not used in surveying, but sometimes engineers use the wrong foot), US Survey Foot (standard) and the Philly Foot. Philadelphia has a different set of standards for how a long a foot is, depending on what part of the city you are in and what you are trying to do. This is not something most historians would accurately pick up. Surveyors will. We also know who was the good and not so studious Surveyors in the area and what tricks each used to mark corners, turning points and reference markers. A local Surveyor in the area the map is of would be very interested in helping you with your work. He/she may have already done the heavy lifting for you. We have to trace maps back as far as possible, so sometimes (I am in New Jersey) we have to go all the way back to the Proprietors to get maps so that we can run lines that control our current work.

    Long story short, if it deals with cartography or local surveying, seek a professional Surveyor.

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    1. Re:Quick post since I am heading out by garyisabusyguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you are having a hard time finding a surveyor, just go to the closest construction sight and find a guy that looks like the sun has baked him into beef jerky and that has orange and pink ribbon hanging out of his truck.

      If you are not really certain, just ask him where the closest pcc is and he will give you an hour long spiel about the advantages of pccs over spirals.

      At this point you should realize that you would rather talk to a GIS professional than a Surveyor, if only to save your sanity. Trust me, I have been both and LS's can be a drag.

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  49. A similar problem described in the New Yorker by Univac_1004 · · Score: 1

    Two or three years ago the New Yorker ran an article about digitizing a large tapestry. As I remember the tapestry was laid out on a floor, and a high-resolution scanner was moved over it on a framework of some sort.

    This took a while (days or weeks) and the fabric, responding to changes in temperature and moisture, would slightly moved between the times when different sections were digitized. Reconstructing the original appearance of the tapestry in the digitization became quite a problem

    This seems to resemble your problem in several aspects.

    The article describes how two mathematicians solved the problem.

    Though it concentrated more on the human side of the issue than the technical, it still contained a few hints as to how they did it.

    I'd suggest reading that article to see what you can glean. At the very least it can provide with some names to use either for a literature search or to contact directly.

    A hint is that the tapestry featured a unicorn, and that word was probably in the title of the article.

    If you have trouble locating it, try writing me.

    1. Re:A similar problem described in the New Yorker by Opyros · · Score: 1

      A hint is that the tapestry featured a unicorn, and that word was probably in the title of the article

      You aren't by any chance referring to the Unicorn Tapestries? If so, the mathematicians involved were the Chudnovsky brothers.

  50. Ask David Rumsey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I heard David Rumsey speak at the Long Now Foundation. He has a large collection of historical maps and wanted the ability to share his library with a broader community. He decided to digitize them and make them available to the public. He has also done work with geo-coding old maps and overlaying them current maps to either highlight changes in topography or errors in original map making. It sounds like his efforts encompass what you're trying to achieve.

    I'd suggest reaching out to him or his organization to find out how they do their work... or maybe they can help.

    http://www.davidrumsey.com/

  51. I've done this by sidb · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have done this for a grant-funded historical map digitization project at a university library. We used a $40k large-format scanner (from Betterlight) which can scan the whole item laid out flat. Trying to stitch together camera images will result in distortion across the image—if you didn't need to distort it, you wouldn't need special software to do it; you could just line the pictures up.

    But even once you have image files, there's about zero chance you can just replace Google Maps' tiles with your own and expect geotagged stuff to line up where it should. If you have a finite number of places of interest, you could manually locate them on each map and then try to distort each map to align, but if you expect arbitrary geolocations to need to be right, give up. Non-satellite/GPS-based maps are examples of practical cartography, not theoretical. They will be even less perfect than you think, no matter how professional they appear. Or do what we did: keep the geotag display on Google's maps, but show your historical map of the same general region side-by-side and allow the user to calculate the precise correlation in his own brain.

    1. Re:I've done this by Jackso · · Score: 1

      Good stitching software doesn't distort the image, it actually un-distorts the image. As long as the camera is parallel with the maps, the only distortion in the photographs is actually created by the lens in the act of taking the photograph, lens distortion aka barrel distortion. You have have a circular convex lens producing a rectangular picture. In order to do this, everything not at the center of focus is increasingly distorted as you move farther from that center of focus. Good stitching software actually undoes this distortion creating a linear image again before doing the stitching. So what you may deem as the software distorting the image, is actually the software correcting the image. Bang for buck, a high res camera taking as many photos as you can stand to take of a single map then stitching them, is the best way to go.

    2. Re:I've done this by Kashgarinn · · Score: 1

      I think Geotagging an old map, which isn't based on accurate satellite imagery is an interesting concept.

      Of course you aren't interested in in its accuracy, as that probably is horrible comparatively speaking, but like any good metatagging of content an image contains, it's interesting to geo-tag what's represented on the map in the context of the item being geo-tagged.

      Things like : http://www.openstreetmap.org/ are interesting, and adding historical maps to that as well would be interesting, for although it's not a perfect replica, if the map is contorted to the real word map by the geotagging information, you could have a pretty accurate depiction of development within an area.

  52. Library of Congress by BoRegardless · · Score: 1

    I've listened to the person in charge of archiving at the Library of Congress who handles such things, as do many other libraries. They have developed a lot of techniques for handling and dealing with large items, including restoration. I'll bet the British Museum has a similar map department.

    My bet is they have information on this at their website.

  53. Grass GIS Georectification by guyfawkes-11-5 · · Score: 1

    I dont know if this has been mentioned but Grass GIS the open source GIS program , has a georectification module that you can use to add the proper coordinates. Here is a page of the manual for your perusal.

    1. Re:Grass GIS Georectification by guyfawkes-11-5 · · Score: 1

      Forgot to mention that this may be suitable also: http://mapanalyst.cartography.ch/index.html

  54. The Mannahatta Project by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    National Geographic did an article on The Mannahatta Project, which did the same thing -- digitized old maps, then matched up known reference points to map them into modern map overlays with GPS coordinates. It also provides some background on why this is such a cool thing to do.

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  55. Geomorphic stability by SpaceMika · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just a pedantic little thing -- as a geomorphology instructor, I can tell you that rivers and coastlines are very, very likely to have changed. Check out pretty much any river mouth in Victoria, Australia, or any island off Maine, US in google earth vs google maps satellite mode for examples of how much they can change inside of just a few years. If something catastrophic has happened (big storm, big earthquake...), huge changes can shift the coastline inside of hours.

    If you're going to use geomorphic features for your geocoding, find out what's most stable in your region (keyword search academic journals for geomorphology + your location + change and see what doesn't pop up, or ask a local university geo prof). Vegetated topography can be pretty stable over decades, especially if you only need relative shapes.

    1. Re:Geomorphic stability by demonlapin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Although it's not totally clear from his phrasing, I believe that he meant to avoid rivers and coastlines, but he phrased it badly.

    2. Re:Geomorphic stability by spasm · · Score: 1

      Yes, sorry, I realized after I clicked 'submit' that it wasn't clear that I meant coastlines ad rivers are examples of what not to use.

      Thanks for providing correct terminology too - very helpful for searches!

  56. digital camera by jemenake · · Score: 1

    I was a little incredulous when I discovered that I could take photos with my 10MP camera in macro mode and approach the quality of my flatbed scanner.

    If you can find a friend with a good digital SLR, and if you get your lighting all set right, you can probably just snap some pictures of it. MUCH faster than scanning. Then, you can use a stitching program like Hugin to bring all of the pics together and correct for distortion around the edges of the picture.

    If they're that old, then you might not need the quality afforded by a really good large-format scanner.

  57. If on a budget, $80 scanner can work. by goodmanj · · Score: 1

    Lots of good ideas here for doing this if you have unlimited cash. Fewer good ideas for doing it on a budget. I don't like the idea of using an SLR camera: you're going to have perspective and lighting problems which you'll need to correct in software.

    Here's my idea:
    1) Lay out map on large table.
    2) Remove top lid from $80 scanner.
    3) Flip scanner upside down, place on map.
    4) Stitch the images together, or geolocate the individual images.
    5) Profit!

    1. Re:If on a budget, $80 scanner can work. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, no, no.... You forgot a step. Try this instead:
      1) Lay out map on large table.
      2) Remove top lid from $80 scanner.
      3) Flip scanner upside down, place on map.
      4) Stitch the images together, or geolocate the individual images.
      5) ???
      6) Profit!

  58. Several companies do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are several companies that do just this sort of work. The one I am most familiar with is EastView Cartographic (http://www.cartographic.com/). They have an extensive map collection already digitized. With any luck they already have digital copies of your maps. They do have a very large map collection, some of which have not been scanned yet, so even it they don't have digital copies, they may have paper copies. If not, you can send your maps to EastView and have them digitize the maps for you, but it can be expensive for a one time job, especially if the maps are in poor condition. Vectorizing the contour features takes a lot of effort even with the latest commercial software.

  59. Uhhh, forget it by cdrguru · · Score: 1

    Trying to get something usable with GPS coordinates, you will fail. If all you want is a digital representation of the map - like, say a JPEG image - this can be done but it will be difficult.

    Some insight into the process is useful. I used to work for a company involved in digital map databases. They started out digitizing maps from aerial photographs. These photographs were very high accuracy taken with large format cameras from relatively low flying aircraft. They spent years developing software to assist in the task of converting the photographs into usable digital map data. It would take considerable manual effort even at the end (after years of working on the software) to get something usable. One of the larger problems was the difference in angles between an object in the center of a photo and an object at the edge. This introduced enough inaccuracy to really screw up the maps that were produced without more manual adjustment.

    Around 1999 they changed the process from using aerial photos to recording from DGPS while driving around on the streets. Overall, this greatly reduced the time required even considering the amount of time that would need to be spent driving around on the streets.

    (I know what you are thinking - just use satellite photos. Sorry, they thought of that and it doesn't work. Nowhere near enough accuracy for just providing driving directions.)

    While you aren't going to have the exact problem at the edges of aerial photos, you have a similar problem with the angles being different if you are stitching together multiple photographs. Mathematically, it is similar to the parallax problems in other fields. A really large format scanner would be the only way to eliminate that and it will have to be something special to avoid destroying your source material. Just about anything else will not give you anything useful.

    Even after you have a scan with a large-format scanner, the problems are going to be pretty much insurmountable. The maps you are talking about are not very accurate. Sure, their error may be within a few percent, but that is going to cause things to never, ever line up against GPS coordinates. So you now have a significant task for each map adjusting the position of each and every node (intersection) and points along any curve. Old maps don't have a lot of straight lines, so there will be almost nothing but curves and every single point will need to be moved slightly.

    It will take you years.

  60. donate by FonkiE · · Score: 1

    them to a library which is specialized in that:

    a) they can preserve the maps
    b) you get a scan back
    c) and some credit

    you might not realize that even though the maps might be worth something, without proper care they will slowly dissolve.

  61. First stop by FridgeFreezer · · Score: 1

    A good digital camera and a copy of OziExplorer will get you GPS'ing your way round Ye Olde Mappes on your computing device of choice. http://terraperfecta.com/frontmap.php makes calibrating the maps a point & click jobby.

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  62. drum scanner by inicom · · Score: 1

    I looked into this a number of years ago when I was dealing in old maps. The best way to digitize them by far is a large format drum scanner.

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    1. Re:drum scanner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but no, no, no

      A drum scanner will distort the pixels and ruin the geometric accuracy of the capture - further exacerbating any chances of a successful georegistration of historic map documents. For GIS purposes the map must be scanned on a large format flat bed scanner!

  63. Crowdsource the geocoding by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can't speak on how to get them digitalized, but once you do, look to the web to get others to help geocode and get them into shape for overlays. Put them online in a liberal CC license and invite other people to use them. Given the popularity of google maps and the community that's grown up making mashups and apps, I'd be willing to bet there already existing communities of people good at, and interested in, doing this.

    1. Re:Crowdsource the geocoding by Exception+Duck · · Score: 1

      Excellent idea, you would probably attract the attention of academics who have have knowledge of the area in question - historically - and can provide valuable input on modern locations and dimensions - since many of old maps vary in their scale internally.

  64. Use a camera, project a grid by sylvandb · · Score: 1

    In addition to the posts suggesting a camera, if you can project a regular grid of light over the map when you photograph it, it will be VERY helpful to compensate for any distortion caused by the digitization.

    In fact, with a good grid you don't even have to totally flatten the map, as long as you get enough pixels to pick up the detail thruout the photo. (You can take two or more photos from different angles if need be.) Software can then analyze the grid and appropriately scale the areas of the image.

    (And go ahead, while you are set up, double up on photos, one with the light grid and one without)

  65. Contact archive.org by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You could always try to contact archive.org. They are normally very interrested in helping out. At least they have a lot of experience with scanning old books.

  66. Dealing with projections talk to an astronomer. by SETIGuy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    We deal with old data with weird and sometimes unidentified projections fairly often. You will need at least some landmarks, though. The larger the scale, the more you will need. The more complex the projection, the more landmarks you'll need. With really old maps that are hand drawn and don't match a distance scale (pre-17th century) you're probably out of luck even if it's a local street map.

    Astronomical software to deal with converting between projections is typically open source, but the learning curve is steep. Don't even think about using commercial image editing software. Even if you think it might be doing things right, you'll never be sure unless you're writing your own plugins.

    1. Re:Dealing with projections talk to an astronomer. by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      I've got a map with an inconsistent projection: based on the one landmark that's survived to the modern day (a river running through the middle of the map), the scale is consistent across the map, but the east half of the map appears to be aligned with geographic north, while the west half is aligned with magnetic north. How would you handle that?

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    2. Re:Dealing with projections talk to an astronomer. by SETIGuy · · Score: 1

      A river isn't one really landmark, it's a series of landmarks that could be used to determine the projection and scale, unless it's really linear or has changed significantly. It's not great, because there are large parts of the map that don't have landmarks.

      At any rate what you've really got is two maps with different projections. The hard part will be deciding where the boundary line between the maps is. So you'd deproject each map separately into a larger map of the projection you want. You're also going to need a date in order to determine the magnetic variation when the map was created. There's going to be some missing data in the overlap region, and there's going to be some parts of the map that should be duplicated, but probably aren't.

  67. get a copy stand by tioda · · Score: 1

    Try to get a copy-stand[ebay] (possibly also named as copy stand).

  68. Check a university or major library by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Either ask the library (if you're in a big city) since they're always interested in getting their hands on anything. Or, as others suggested, find a local university that has a geography or geomatics program - they'll most likely have the expertise and tools to get it done.

    As for georeferencing, I've only ever done it with ArcGIS 9, and I don't think you'll want to pay for that, but any self-respecting university will have copies of it on their computer. They may even have historical imagery from the past 60-70 years that'll help you line the stuff up.

  69. Try this. by doghouse41 · · Score: 1

    Try Contacting www.digimap.gg. They have a lot of experience with scanning old maps and warping them to fit current mapping. They also have a (very) large format high quality scanner which should cope with any map that you have.

    Talk to them nicely and they maybe able to help you at a very reasonable price. However they are located in Guernsey, which may not be convenient for you.

  70. MakeIt.DigitalNZ.org is a good resource by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hi,

    Check out http://makeit.digitalnz.org/, there is a forum for asking questions if the current batch of answers aren't sufficient. They don't seem to mind questions from abroad. I know a project in the Middle East that asked a question about this sort of issue on there.

  71. Map Warper by halfsad · · Score: 1

    For the second operation -- georectifying scanned images -- Map Warper is a great tool:

    http://warper.geothings.net/

    It will let you rectify map images by placing control points. Maps can be made public so you can get help with this task from friends and strangers. Finally, you can export to PNG, TIFF, and WMS.

  72. How I would do it by lordsid · · Score: 1

    I would build an x/y tram and mount a hd digital camera to it. Using a couple of hacks on the camera should be able to remotely trigger it from a computer program. Given stepper motors on the x/y you could control the position of the camera. This setup could be mounted over a table and the map could just lay there. Then do as others have suggested and use stitching software to put the images together.

    As part of my job I work with GIS information on a daily basis. I would say the largest issue you are going to run into is getting the map to line up with reality. I know cartographers of old did not have the tools to create accurate maps like we do today. My point being scale may not be constant over the entire map compared to reality. While you may line up one or two points you might find yourself quite off on the others. You might just have to accept it as good enough for government work. I would suggest you look into technologies like geoserver or mapserver. Consequently geoserver has openmaps built into it.

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  73. No better tools... by Foldarn · · Score: 1

    Extremely expensive, but extremely good. As a Topographic Intel Analyst in the US Marines (our job was called Topo by us), we georeferenced images a LOT. The best tool by far is ERDAS Imagine. It's best to have source maps that are already georectified, but it's not necessary. Another tool that MAY be able to take care of this is ArcInfo. It's also an expensive suite of programs, but it also works well. As far as a service that can get the images scanned for you, you may be able to contact an architect. They frequently have large (36"-48") scanners used to scan old blueprints so they can digitize them. Buying the equipment yourself is probably cost prohibitive.

  74. GIS + Scales by rocketPack · · Score: 1

    Almost any map or photo will have *some* common aspect that relates to current day. Right now I am working on a project of cataloging old (back to 1937) aerial photographs of the county I live in.

    I use ESRI's ArcMap, a ruler, an excel spreadsheet and some brainpower. I pick sensible coordinates (PLSS corners make the most sense when available, as well as street intersections) and then locate them on a more-or-less current day satellite/aerial overlay in ArcMap. Once I decide on my corners, I just measure the physical map from each common point/corner to the map edge (twice for each corner- one for x, one for y). Then pick two points and measure between them and compare your measurements in the "real world" to come up with a scale (this is why excel is handy). Then you just go back to your GIS software and move each of the corner points the specified "real world" distance!

    This DOES take time but it is probably the most accurate method you'll find for older maps (or aerials).

    If you simply pick one or two points and rubbersheet or affine, you'll often end up with frustratingly bad results for these. Those advanced methods require many, many links with a higher accuracy than you'll be able to achieve. My method also has the benefit of accounting for rotation/skewing/etc (not all the aerials/maps will be the exact same orientation, dimension, and scale... in fact, it's rare that two have even one or two of these elements relatively close).

    Good luck!

  75. Use a different scanner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use the HP Scanjet 4600 see-thru scanner to copy parts of large maps. This is a very thin, lightweight scanner, with a clear top. The top comes off, so you can put the scanner up against a photo on the wall, or lay it flat on part of a large map. You can see through it to see what you're scanning. Move it to different parts of the large image, then stitch the individual images together with Gimp. This scanner seems to be discontinued, but perhaps you can borrow one or buy it used. Alternately, use a digital camera, but my experience is they seem to produce a lot of perspective problems and distortion around the edges. Doesn't stop me from using my camera, just know it won't be as perfect as a scanner.

  76. Gigapan Robot? by Red+Leader. · · Score: 1

    Rather than bothering with PTgui or Hugin, why not just buy yourself a Gigapan robot?

    http://www.gigapansystems.com/

    A very good excuse, if you were ever looking for one. I can't help with the GIS angle of the problem, but the GRASS recommendations seem good.

  77. what about photosynth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure microsoft would come to the party...

  78. Scanning, stiching and georeferencing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My guess is since you posted this to Slashdot, you are looking for advice on how to do this yourself as a novice, instead of hiring the services of countless professionals willing to have you as their customer. I'm not a GIS expert, but I do work in aerial imagery, and have successfully done what you described.

    It sounds like you have an old map, and assuming it is somewhat proportional in x and y directions, and would like for it to be georeferenced so that you can project shapefiles (of modern streets, property parcels, etc) over it. Or maybe you did not know that is a possibility. With this, you can also project modern imagery over it, and do side-by-side and wipe comparisons. This is cool stuff- I understand your enthusiasm!

    If the map is monochrome- black and white with no grayscale- I'd aim for it to end up as a vector image, to make a shape file of. Whats nice about this is if there are details you might not want in your shapefiles, like rogue markings, irrelevant text or grids, etc, they can be edited out. If its grayscale or color, then I'd aim for keeping it as an image and retain as much of the original information as possible.

    Some talk posted here about using a camera- even something about 'making' a x/y stepper motor thing- I personally would not consider anything other than a contact flat bed scanner. An inexpensive flatbed scanner with a removable lid works well when placed upside down over your map laying on a flat surface. Maintain an adequate degree of overlap, try to keep your scanner as square as possible (but you can fine tune the ortho rectification later) and work your way around in a grid patten. Make notes, save in uncompressed image formats at first, max your DPI scan rate and back up your original scans.

    For my project, I had the good fortune of having grid lines on my original work which was very helpful in manually lining each scan relative to its neighbors. I used GIMP. There might even be software out there that will do the stitching for you.

    Once you have your scans stitched together, you need to determine if it will be practical/possible to ortho rectify and georeference the map. You will need to be able to positively and precisely identify the lat/long of as many points on the map as possible. Road intersections are ideal.

    If you can identify several points, you can load your image into a GIS application to produce a world file (wikipedia it) to accompany your digital map. Now it is georefrenced. However, GIS applications can be intimidating. The most well known commercial ones are simply not for the novice, but there are a few open source ones- try Map Window GIS, or just Google GIS open source.

    Not sure what the chances of this are, but if your map is within your area, your local government (county level probably) GIS/environmental services department might be interested in assisting you, espeically if there is some value to them in having a digital copy of your map.

    Good luck!

  79. I do this for a living..... by ZosX · · Score: 1

    I would suggest a local university or museum first. If they won't help you for some reason (and I think they would be interested to say the least), shoot me an e-mail. I would take great pains not to damage your maps further and could give you good quality scans that are color correct and I'm also pretty good at repairing things if there is something to go buy. Solid color areas are not a problem to replace and fix, but anything with loads of detail starts getting into the "fake it till you make it" territory and is not reproduction anymore if you ask me. Any crinkles in the paper, etc can usually be effectively cloned out. I work for a small shop. Our prices on prints, etc are pretty reasonable. Scans are usually like $60 or so, but that includes a lot of time in color correction. Also what you are looking for is something that will likely take a bit of time and effort unless you have a big expensive scanner on hand. I deal with framed paintings a lot, and I can't just run a framed painting through a drum scanner or a wideformat. I usually have to either carefully lay it across a flatbed and scan a few sections or put it in the studio and shoot it, but that introduces all sorts of problems as others have said with lighting, lens distortion (no lens is perfect, especially near the corners), etc, which generally leads to somewhat of a loss in quality. Even with a medium format back you can get millions of pixels, but that image is still only as clear as the glass in front of it. A flatbed scanner is certainly ideal (unless you want to say lose the paper texture from the scan, then the camera is actually better) and will give you results with microscopic clarity. I mean hell even a cheap epson will do like 9600 dpi or so and to be honest, unless I'm scanning negatives, I rarely scan over 600dpi. If I were you I would by a cheap 11x17 scanner that does not have a recessed bed. Meaning that when you take the lid off, the scanning glass is flush with the sides of the plastic top. This is important as scanners have a fairly shallow depth of field. Now what you want to do is take your maps and get a big heavy piece of glass. Don't use plex or at least get a couple of pieces of plexiglass, as you will just basically scratch it to hell with the scanner and your efforts to clean it as it get dusty. Place the glass on a map. Next rip the lid off your scanner and start scanning away. Use the preview to judge your overlap between scans and try to give a good 10% overlap as this will help in the stitching process. You can probably get away with less, but I like to leave some room for human error as well. Make sure each scan has auto exposure and color turned off. Use a medium to high unsharp mask if you want more of the texture if your scanner software supports this. (You can also just sharpen a little in photoshop later if you like) Now scan your map in sections. Try to go for about 300 dpi if the maps are larger. If they are smaller (10x10 or so) you can bump up to 600dpi. Open up photoshop or something capable of doing rectilinear mapping and photostitch your scans. Photoshop CS4 does a wonderful job here, and if you use PS, I really recommend going ahead and using the ruler tool and rotate->arbitrary to straighten the edges of your scans as well as cropping out anything that isn't part of the image. This will make your stitching go much smoother and be less error prone as well as getting proper blends at the seams. You'll have to fix up the levels and color a bit since you turned off the autocorrection, but this should give you a good start if you really want to do it on your own. Hit up my e-mail if you would like to ask questions. I'd be happy to help as much as possible.

  80. scanning old frail maps by malcreado · · Score: 1

    Where we work we have a number of maps, some older than 100 years and not in that great of shape. If they are in a frail condition we will put them in a protective sleeve before scanning in our large format scanner. Normally a large format scanner has rollers or something to pull the map through the scanner. The rollers could damage old frail maps. The sleeves we made are basically 2 large, thin (transparency thick), clear plastic sheets that are taped on three sides to make a pocket. Slide the old map into it and run it through the scanner. Scanners use light and there is the possibility of problems with reflections so you may have to play around with it some and find the right plastic sheets but it will work and it does a good job of protecting your maps.

  81. digitize me by memebrain · · Score: 1

    I've used ESRI to digitize and geo-rectify paper maps, you could see what they offer. They have the big high-res scanner and experience that you need. Who knows, maybe they have a history buff on their staff that would do some pro-bono work. http://www.esri.com/

  82. Record the geometry used! Re: choosing best lens by aaron_pet · · Score: 1

    You should record the type of lens used, the type of camera... and set up a tripod over the map, keep it consistent, and take a few pictures of reference items.

    Recording the lens type and all of the exact settings would make it easy to use software to correct for distortion. The reference... grid of say 1cm by 1cm squares with some other simple geometry to test your math.

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  83. David Rumsey Collection in SecondLife by cyberfringe · · Score: 2, Informative
    There is a very interesting library and exhibition of old maps from the David Rumsey collection in SecondLife http://secondlife.com/. You can teleport to one of the four sims directly with this SLURL:
    http://slurl.com/secondlife/Rumsey%20Maps%201/133/247/56/?title=David%20Rumsey%20Maps&msg=David%20Rumsey%20map%20collection

    See also http://www.davidrumsey.com/

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  84. Open-source GIS is great, but a GUI is suggested by penguinchris · · Score: 1

    I have been doing this as part of my master's thesis, with scanned maps. Something like this solution using GIS is definitely the way to do it, however, I have a few things to add.

    This is something that greatly benefits from a GUI approach. Command-line-style GIS can be powerful, but when you're matching up features like this, being able to just point and click on the two points you want to match is really a lot easier. I have played around with the open source GIS programs, but am not familiar enough with them to offer any specific advice. I have access to ArcGIS and use that for everything - I can say at least that in Arc, this stuff is really very simple point-and-click stuff, though very powerful with plenty of options too.

    In any case, to get something to match your maps to in whatever GIS software is used, one can get high-resolution georeferenced topographic maps and aerial and satellite imagery from USGS and NASA, for free. Since the poster is apparently not in the US the US topographic maps probably aren't helpful, but LANDSAT satellite imagery, for example, is available for most of the earth and is usually pretty good (if not spectacularly high in resolution - it's 15m pixels at best).

  85. Golden Software's Didger ain't bad. by Desmanthus · · Score: 1

    There are a few commercial windows packages designed to do this. BlueMarble comes to mind, but it's pricey. Golden Software's "Didger", is probably the best bang for your pound: high mathematical accuracy and well supported by its manufacturer. It's really quirky, though. (Disclaimer: Five hours ago I relinquished my position as project manager for this program.)

  86. Digitizing and geocoding old maps by Nina+Brown · · Score: 1

    I work for Spatial Data and Mapping and deal with geocoding scanned maps quite often. Some of these maps are scanned, others (I never saw the equipment) photographed by cameras in some kind of dedicated room. I am assuming that once the map is geocoded it will be released to be used by others? For such map to be useful you'll need to build a metadata record, with lineage not only for the historical map, but for the method of geocoding, including estimated accuracy. This is why outsourcing to 'anyone willing', unless well supervised, may not be the best option. I use ArcScan for my geocoding. I use whatever other digital data can find as my reference, topo maps, satellite imagery, aerial photography. I make notes for each map, writing down what references I used, how many points I had to create, what kind of errors they brought with each algorithm and I also save the point file. Be aware that old maps were not always drawn in proportion and geocoding may not always be possible. Projection, as someone mentioned, matters also, depending on the scale of the map. It also depends on the purpose of the map. For example, when I georeference old hand drawn land unit map I use, as my reference, satellite imagery and concentrate on matching landscape features. If man-made features (tracks, buildings) are coming out of kilter, I don't care. But I'd point that out in my metadata. So ask yourself - what is the purpose of this map, what is it going to be used for, and by whom. Good luck!

  87. I've done work for state archives departments by PhunkySchtuff · · Score: 1

    I've done work for some government departments who have to create digital archives of artworks and old manuscripts and they all use very high end digital cameras and a controlled lighting environment.

    Iff (if and only if) you have an environment where the camera is in a fixed position, and you have lights of a known intensity in fixed positions, then you can do a proper calibration on the camera, generate an ICC profile, and then scan away knowing that you're capturing an accurate representation of the colours in the artworks.

    These cameras are $50k units - medium format with high quality prime lenses and digital backs - this will give you an idea of what can be done:
    PhaseOne and Hassleblad

  88. visuals: plotter, camera, hugin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    maybe you can come up with an idea to combine an old plotter, a digital camera and free stitching software like hugin. .~.

  89. You're talking different resolution metrics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're talking different resolution metrics. Even high density film on a 35mm frame has a larger ERROR in grain location than a modern 10-12MPix DSLR image. Being irregular, however, the resolution of the 35mm film *seems* better because you can usefully oversample.

    This doesn't really introduce more information and you're much better off double-printing (where every point on the map has an appearance on at least two images. Being much more regular, you can double or quadruple your resolution this way.

  90. Use a digital camera and stitching software! by Terje+Mathisen · · Score: 1

    I have helped with similar tasks previously, where an Egyptologist had used a digital camera on a portable frame to take mosaic images of rock carvings.

    http://tawbaware.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?t=1849&highlight=egypt+terje

    Modern panorama software, both open source and very cheap commercial offerings, makes it possible to determine semi-automatically how multiple images are connected, while correcting for things like lens projection errors, camera location offsets and even some exposure correction.

    In your case I would use a panorama head on a tripod, put the maps on top of a square grid, and then take sufficient number of images to get the final resolution you think you need.

    The part of the grid that remains visible makes it easy to flatten the resulting mosaic.

    I used PTAssembler on that Egyptian mosaic, highly recommended!

    http://www.tawbaware.com/ptasmblr.htm

    Terje

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  91. Use GeoRect to Georeference Your Scans by iammrjvo · · Score: 1

    There is a program that comes with FalconView called GeoRect. You open an image in the program then set the geographic positions of a few known points. From that, GeoRect can georectify the entire image so that you can display it in FalconView or other GIS tools. Search for GeoRect at http://www.falconview.org/

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    1. Re:Use GeoRect to Georeference Your Scans by iammrjvo · · Score: 1

      Oh, yeah. And it's FOSS.

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  92. 4k by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    Rent a Red Camera http://www.red.com/cameras/

  93. damp maps? put them in the freezer by Nyder · · Score: 1

    If you got damp maps, put them in the freezer, in some sort of freezer proof bag. it will draw the water out.

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  94. Blue Marble Geographics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can also check out Blue Marble Geographics. They provide a suite of applications for performing coordinate conversion, raster transformation, etc. The Geographic Transformer application provides raster image georeferencing capabilities using MANY different coordinate systems, datums, etc.

  95. Forget cameras and stitching by rclandrum · · Score: 1

    You want to either buy, rent, or find a service provider that can do large-format scanning using Contex scanners or other large format scanner. These utilize multiple CCDs or CISs to enable single pass color capture of large blueprint or map size documents. These can be at native resolutions of 72, 100, 200 dpi or higher. Can't help you with the GIS, but if you want fast, quality digitization, stick with an actual scanner made to do the job.

  96. MapTiler by keosak · · Score: 1

    I am kind of working in this field so forgive this shameless plug.

    Look at http://help.oldmapsonline.org/. In this project we document and develop tools that can be used to put old maps online. One of them is our MapTiler (http://www.maptiler.org/). However, as you noted, if you want to create overlays your maps have to be georeferenced. There are two ways.

    1) If your maps are not older than late 18th century and you know their projections and coordinate systems, providing coordinates of map corners is enough.

    2) For older maps the usual method is by providing ground control points. Basically you mark the same locations on your map and some reference map. From this you can calculate distortion, affine transformation etc.

    If you publish your maps as Zoomify (see the oldmapsonline.org site on how to do it), you can use our Georeferencer (http://www.georeferencer.org/) to do the ground control points georeferencing. Than you get KML for Google Earth and WMS which can be viewed in OpenLayers webviewer. Examples of both viewers are on the Georeferencer too. Or you can just download the worldfile that was generated and use it to crate GDAL VRT dataset or something.

  97. We do this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://ucgc.welborn.wmich.edu/

  98. More suggestions. by ResidentSourcerer · · Score: 1

    Lots of good stuff here.

    I would recommend imaging twice. For the first one, Get a print of graph paper with a 1" grid done on mylar film. Put the film over the image.

    This gives you a control grid that you can use to correct for distortion of your imaging system. In particular if you end up imaging in chunks, each chunk will have distortion to correct for.

    In creating your transformation, you have two things to consider: One is the projection used. Others have mentioned this. While knowing it will make it simpler, it should be possible with 9-16 well spaced control points to determine it.

    The other factor is errors made by the surveyors. This one is more subtle, as there will be a 'circle of influence' around landmarks. A landmark that is highly visible, and well located (church spire on hill) will have a strong influence. A pond will have a much smaller influence just because the surveyors couldn't see it.

    Surveyor errors may be random or systematic. E.g. If they are using a magnetic compass a declination error will have the effect of adding a shear transform to the image. A time piece that gains or loses time can stretch or contract the path. If it was done by a team, some of the team may be more careful than others. You may find one class of detail accurate, and another class less accurate.

    A third source of error is the modern map. Unless *really* new, many maps are not orthorectified properly. The compensation for the position of a landmark due to the oblique angle of the aerial photograph depends on the elevation. And that in turn depends on both the quality of the stereoscope, the skill of the operator, and the attention to detail in the whole imaging process.

    Recently I used a GPS and a 30 year old Canadian Topo map to create a cross country orienteering game. In our region the river has cut a broad valley about 150 to 200 feet below the plain. The location of the rim, as indicated by the contour lines was consistently about 50-80 meters off. East west coordinates were up to 150 meters off.

    Good luck on your project.

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  99. Re:MapTiler - here, here! by perchslayer · · Score: 1

    yea, what keosak said. avoid any advice that includes the term "geocoding" as that is not what is going on here at all. /* ROTFLO! */ Basically the scan can be accomplished entirely separately from the georeferencing process. You could even do that at, say, Kinko's or something and then bring the .tif into some GIS software and get busy doing what amounts to a pin, stretch, and refine process where your goal is to minimize the RMS for the most important areas or just overall. Like this guy says, there are strong advantages to putting it in the JPG 2000 format. You might also consider porting it to the new GeoPDF thingy that USGS is now using as a method for topo distribution. If you really wanted to go out on a limb, you could reproduce them and embed anoto in the copies and do fun stuff in situ there. In any case, until you get them reasonably georeferenced, you won't need to worry about the original projections at all for any reason, period. That simply doesn't apply here for a number of reasons that include but are not limited to: a) scalar accuracy of the originals b) datum and/or projection of base reference c) allowable RMS error in an affine transformation will certainly allow for any wack in projection hocus-pocus. That said, it might be interesting to actually know it such that you could get a quantitative handle on the accuracy/ precision of the originals. If you do get around to it, please let us know on SlashGeo as lots of us folks like old maps... ...geocoding.....lol

  100. Re:I've done this - like major here, here by perchslayer · · Score: 1

    Good stitching software doesn't distort the image, it actually un-distorts the image. As long as the camera is parallel with the maps, the only distortion in the photographs is actually created by the lens in the act of taking the photograph, lens distortion aka barrel distortion. You have have a circular convex lens producing a rectangular picture. In order to do this, everything not at the center of focus is increasingly distorted as you move farther from that center of focus. Good stitching software actually undoes this distortion creating a linear image again before doing the stitching. So what you may deem as the software distorting the image, is actually the software correcting the image. Bang for buck, a high res camera taking as many photos as you can stand to take of a single map then stitching them, is the best way to go.

    wow, that is like really getting down to brass tacks with the consideration of nadir convolution and so on. dude, you rock! hey, perhaps giving the ASPRS a ring and getting this done right is a good idea. It could be a nice vehicle for an article on process, eh ?

  101. Preserving your maps by DougInKY · · Score: 1

    I would recommend that your first stop be with someone who preserves old photographs, paintings, and such. They can help you by stabilizing the paper the maps are printed on. Then they can also recommend putting them on a acid free linen or some such to strengthen them further thereby helping them to be preserved. Contact a museum to get names of people that are local to you who can do this. It won't be cheap but if these maps mean a great deal to you, you will find it worthwhile. If you don't plan on keeping or restoring the maps after you have them scanned, I would recommend either donating them to a museum, or if they are truly old (usually >150 years old) getting an estimated value on them and the thinking about selling them through an reputable auction house such as Southby's.

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  102. How I did it by dcvchicago · · Score: 1

    I photocopied some old (1888) plat maps from my county recorder's office and scanned the copies using an HP all-in-one. Then I used Paint.Net to assemble the scans into digital versions of each plat map. Finally, I imported each digital plat map into Google earth as an image overlay and aligned the features on the map with terrain in Google Earth. So, for my local area, I can go to any place in Google Earth and, by turning on the overlay, see what was there 120 years ago. It's pretty cool.

  103. For the scanning, this is an interesting solution by Squalish · · Score: 2, Interesting

    http://www.cs.ubc.ca/~heidrich/Papers/EG.04.pdf
    "Design of an Inexpensive Very High Resolution Scan Camera System".

    500 megapixels for $1600 versus scanning-back cameras that cost tens of thousands. Make the error correction a little bit simpler by rotating the scanning back ninety degrees for four 4-color shots (16 exposures), overlaying them, and taking the median pixel values, at the expense of some resolution.

    There are four considerable challenges here, though, not just one, and this project could stall on any of them:
    Image capture
    Projection determination & georeferencing
    Digitizing features & establishing topology
    Geocoding

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  104. American Geographical Society by Cynic · · Score: 1

    I would highly recommend getting a hold of the AGS. They have an extensive collection of maps and are in the process of digitizing their own collection. I suspect that they would be willing to help you, or at least provide the necessary information to get you on the right track. If you happen to be within driving distance of Milwaukee, even better. Here's their contact information:

    The AGS Library
    University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
    P.O. Box 604
    Milwaukee, WI 53201-0604
    Tel: (414) 229-4785

    http://www.amergeog.org/

  105. On crowdsourcing the geocoding... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check out our work at the New York Public Library: http://maps.nypl.org - we've been working with some folks active in the OpenLayers community to get a set of web-based tools in place for georectification and shape tracing off of historic maps...

    - Josh Greenberg, Director Digital Strategy/Scholarship, NYPL

  106. Scan if at all possible by TimmyTim · · Score: 1

    I also work with scanning large old (and new) maps as a part of my job. If the maps can at all be handled you will save GREAT deals of time if you can beg, borrow, or lease a wide format scanner. As others have recommended, check with universities, museums, and local government agencies to see if you can get time with one. Setting up and photographing/scanning small portions of hundreds of maps is going to be a lot of work, never mind stitching all those pieces together.

    We have a variety of 19th and early twentieth century hand-drawn maps on paper and linen; as another poster recommended, create a cover slip by purchasing a long piece of clear acetate (costs us around $45USD for a 1 x 2.5 meter sheet) and folding it in half. We don't find it necessary to tape edges. This will protect any frayed or torn edges, as well as providing some structural support and protection from the rollers. We use a CCD type wide format scanner and don't seem to have any problems with reflection from the acetate.

    If the maps are too fragile for that process, or too large for available scanners, I think your best bet is to find a museum, art gallery, or other historical society with a good setup for photographic reproduction and beg their help. If they are that delicate I certainly would not ship them anywhere.

    Good luck with georeferencing - I've only looked into this a little but for now I can't consider any non-automated solutions due to the sheer number of maps I have as well as my very finite budget.

  107. wolktm by wolktm · · Score: 1

    Nice! When you are done with scanning and would like to publish them on a site and maybe overlay them on the openstreetmap or googlemaps let me know, I can help you with this. I work on daily basis with online maps so thats easy for me.

  108. GeoRegArcView by aberson · · Score: 1

    GeoRegArcView is a free utility which lets you make an ESRI world-file to georeference any jpg. You just have to identify the lat/lon of any 2 points on the map, and it can generate the file.

    The world file is a text file the same name as the original file, with a "w" on the end of it (e.g. .jpgw). It identifies the upper left corner of the image and the degrees-per-pixel in the horizontal and vertical directions.

    Even if your images won't be .jpg, you can convert to jpg just to generate the world file, and then rename the world file to .bmpw, .tifw, etc.

  109. Two suggestions by Antibozo · · Score: 1

    1. Contact the NOAA library staff at http://www.lib.noaa.gov/ for suggestions.
    2. Contact National Archives staff for suggestions.

  110. Theres an app for that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    During the last International Conference of the History of Cartography there were one guy presenting a tool to do what you want, after you scanned them.
    Read about there suggestions on : http://help.oldmapsonline.org/

    You can also see my simplistic way to do the same with the prescanned maps from The Danish Roayl Library(https://images.kb.dk/kortbog?b=35&s=1), but only in dansih, at : kb.gmaplink.com/