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Accidental Wii Suicide

Paul Taylor noted a story that I would have thought to be an April Fool's Day joke a few weeks from now, which makes it only seem more tragic. A 3-year-old shot herself with a gun after mistaking it for a Wii controller.

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  1. Shot herself, you mean by amaupin · · Score: 5, Informative

    Cheyenne Alexis McKeehan was a girl. Perhaps reading the story, Taco, might have been useful?

  2. Re:Suicide? by mjperson · · Score: 3, Informative

    RTFA

    It was an obscure 3rd party controller from overseas that, according to the article, Nintendo had no idea existed. The sheriff's office could barely track it down on the web it was so obscure.

  3. Re:Suicide? by ircmaxell · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not to mention the fact that if guns are in the household (even if locked up) the kids need to be educated about them. Even if so much as "Don't ever touch them without my direct supervision". And I do think a 3 year old is old enough to be taught that. They may not understand it, but they are old enough to understand consequences. I honestly wonder how many of the child gun deaths are due to the child either being completely unaware that the parent owned one (and hence "found" it and thought it was cool) or wasn't taught anything about it (and hence had no idea about proper safety). My father owned guns when I was growing up. He taught me from day one never to touch them unless he was there with his permission. He taught me never to point a gun at something unless I planned on killing it (It's so ingrained in me, I refuse to play paintball because of it). And he did this while I was REALLY young. Sure, firearms are dangerous. But so are stoves and stairs. I would find it very odd if parents never taught a 3 year old that the stove was hot, or to respect stairs (so they don't fall down). I find it equally odd if parents never taught a 3 year old about simple gun safety if there was a chance that the child would come into contact with a gun. It doesn't matter if it is loaded or not, since all guns are loaded until proven otherwise (And even then, treat them as if they were)...

    And I agree 100% that the father should have the book thrown at him. There's no excuse for an accident like this...

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  4. Re:Suicide? by Spazztastic · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not to mention the fact that if guns are in the household (even if locked up) the kids need to be educated about them.

    That requires parenting, and that's far too much work for most people it seems. They would rather use a scapegoat like the Wii, violent videogames, and music instead of taking responsibility for their actions.

    It's a horrible situation where someone innocent lost their life, but it's even worse when justice isn't made.

    The law should have gray areas, but there's nothing that should keep this man from facing some charge, even if it is to remove his second amendment rights.

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  5. Re:Suicide? by Pojut · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm quite aware of that, but the .380 caliber Smith & Wesson that (according to TFA) the child shot herself with certainly does.

  6. Re:How did a 3-year old pull the trigger? by suprcvic · · Score: 5, Informative
    You clearly don't have access to guns or 3 year olds. I'm not sure what particular model of gun it was, but a quick Google of "Smith & Wesson .380" shows me lots of models without hammers but instead strikers that are always cocked when a round is chambered and since the father had "just been investigating a prowler", it probably had a round chambered. Also, my 3 year old nephew most definitely has the strength to hold the gun and pull the trigger, he does not however have the ability to easily tell real from fake.

    It is pretty suspicious to me though that the article says the mother was just 3 feet away. How can one be 3 feet away from both a 3 year old and a loaded pistol and not realize it? And even worse, what in the hell was the stepfather thinking placing a loaded weapon on a table with children in the house? My gun is never out of my control unless it's locked up in it's safe. As with many other posters, this was gross negligence on their part. I'm not sure I agree with a call for criminal charges though as he's got to live with it for the rest of his life knowing his negligence killed that little girl.

  7. Re:How did a 3-year old pull the trigger? by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 4, Informative

    While I'm not certain that the real story is being told here, mostly from the perspective of the gun being unwieldy to fire by a three year old, as the father of an almost-three year old, I can tell you that they don't think about 'weight difference' and think 'different object, handle differently'. If I give my daughter a ping pong ball, she'll probably throw it (and she can throw hard), and if I give her a golf ball, she'll throw it like a demon (which is why I would never put something like that in her hands). All she thinks is 'ball!' and regardless of weight she'll throw it.

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  8. Re:Suicide? by twistedsymphony · · Score: 3, Informative
    What if... you RTFA

    Cheyenne's stepfather, Douglas Cronberger, 32, owned a semi-automatic pistol that he normally kept in a secure location, out of the reach of Cheyenne and the couple's 1-year-old child, Ashe said. But after taking it out to investigate a possible prowler, Cronberger left it on a table and forgot about it, officials said. When Cheyenne fired the gun, Ashe said, her mother, Tina Ann Cronberger, 32, was within three feet of her child.

  9. Just read the story by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Informative

    It took me a few seconds to figure out which was the controller. A picture of the controller, and the model pistol the father owns Granted I'm from the UK and have never seen a gun like that up close, but the realism of that unit is scary.

    The dad was an idiot, though. I don't see him recovering. As for it being accidental? I couldn't speculate, but to all of the people saying that a kid couldn't pull the trigger... Kids have two hands, remember?

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  10. Re:How did a 3-year old pull the trigger? by Mr.+Foogle · · Score: 3, Informative

    Dude. A .380 is a light pistol. I doubt a toddler could chamber a round, but picking one up and pulling the trigger are well within their capabilities.

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  11. Re:Suicide? by CapnStank · · Score: 5, Informative

    When I was young my dad would take me out shooting. He has a couple 9mm handguns that I needed the pointer from both hands to fire, but he had a revolver that I swear I could fire by breathing too hard on.

  12. Re:Suicide? by thegnu · · Score: 3, Informative

    You can adjust the trigger resistance. It's generally inadvisable to lower the resistance past a certain point, because it makes it more likely it will go off from bumping against things, but I think it's likely enough that a guy who leaves a gun out with his toddler around is liable to have the trigger resistance questionably (if not illegally) low.

    I am by no means an expert, but I live in a mother-in-law apt in the back yard of a gun lover.

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  13. Re:Suicide? by element-o.p. · · Score: 5, Informative

    Trigger pull on otc firearms is high enough that your average small child won't be firing it.

    Really? Are you sure about that? I own several guns, and have shot several more. None, AFAIK, have been modified after purchase; the trigger pull is as it was set at the factory. Some of them have trigger pulls that require a decent pull; others have very, very light trigger pulls -- such that yes, a small child could shoot them. I have a 9mm that has a rather hefty trigger pull if it is not already cocked, but when shot single-action, has a relatively light trigger pull. I now own my dad's old .22 rifle that he used to let me shoot when I was about three (with his help, of course). The lightest of the bunch is my .300 Win-Mag rifle, which would probably fire if you sneezed near it.

    And yes, for the record, I keep them locked so my daughter can't get to any of them.

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  14. Re:Suicide? by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Informative

    You are stupid. and need to not be allowed to have a gun.

    unless you live in cracktown and have a home full of crack AND a sign outside advertising the crack is inside you will NOT get a suprise stampede that you need to gun down instantly. You will have a LOT of warning before you need to pull a trigger to defend yourself. Even in a situation where you have them at your door trying to kick it in you have time to grab the clip, slap it in and cock the gun and have time to take a deep breath and get in a kneeling position to fire more accurately.

    only complete idiots think they must be loaded, and ready to protect themselves. Even the military in a war zone will kick your ass if you go walking around with a gun ready to fire and you are not in an active mission where you are kicking down a door. at minimum you need the safety on even in a HOT zone on guard.

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  15. Re:Suicide? by Starteck81 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm sure I must be misunderstanding you. If the safety is engineered such that a 3-year-old child can discharge the weapon in any case, then it's not a safety.

    A safety on fire arms are meant to keep the gun from discharging when dropped, de-cocking or while being unloaded. They are not meant to keep kids from discharging fire arms, that is what gun locks and safes are for.

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