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FCC Asks You To Test Your Broadband Speeds

AnotherUsername writes "The Federal Communications Commission is asking the nation's broadband and smartphone users to use its broadband testing tools to help the feds and consumers know what speeds are actually available, not just promised by the nation's telecoms. At http://www.broadband.gov/, users enter their address and test their broadband download speed, upload speed, latency, and jitter using one of two tests (users can choose to test with the other after one test is complete). The FCC is requiring the street address, as it 'may use this data to analyze broadband quality and availability on a geographic basis' (they promise not to release location data except in the aggregate). The agency is also asking those who live in a broadband 'dead zone' to fill out a report online, call, fax, email, or even send a letter. The announcement comes just six days before the FCC presents the first ever national broadband plan to Congress. Java is necessary to run the test." Lauren Weinstein points out some of the limitations in the FCC's testing methodology.

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  1. Hmm... by Pojut · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...I would like to help them out by providing the necessary data, but I'm not sure how comfortable I am with it...tinfoil hat and all that. Anyone planning on doing this? Why or why not?

    1. Re:Hmm... by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I am, or I would. I need to wait for FreeBSD to update the java available in ports, though. It's too much of a pain to get it from Sun.

      Why? Well I'd like to see telco's held to their promised speeds as much as possible. If you are going to advertise one speed but only deliver a lower one, that's false advertising (or something).

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    2. Re:Hmm... by timeOday · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I did it from work, but said I was doing it from home. Further, I entered an address of a home (not mine) in a rural area in my state that is currently trying to get federal stimulus money because they have no broadband.

      So your goal to make sure they don't get any stimulus money for broadband by making it appear they do?

      Anyways, it's hard to imagine they won't be discarding outliers, and (regardless of intentions) your dishonest result will be an outlier.

    3. Re:Hmm... by DJLuc1d · · Score: 5, Interesting

      They don't ask for your name, just location, which I am ok with. It's a census year anyways and I plan on participating which is more of a threat to my privacy than a nameless broadband test.

    4. Re:Hmm... by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The solution to broadband is ridiculously easy -

      - Congress should mandate with a simple law that the telephone company must provide DSL to any customer requests it (within six months). The twisted-pair lines are already there, except for the need to add a neighborhood DSLAM. If Verizon/ATT/whoever balk about expense, simply point to the billions they received circa 1996 and say "use that". Actually the expense should be quite low to upgrade existing phone lines to DSL lines.

      So you're proposing that instead of the taxpayer paying for it via taxes, the customers will pay for it via price increases handed down by the providers to cover the extra costs?

      So it's OK for everyone to pay for it as long as it's not called taxes? Brilliant.

    5. Re:Hmm... by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Where would that money come from?

      Reaching into one's own pockets to assist his fellow man in need is praiseworthy and laudable. Reaching into someone else's pockets to do so is despicable and deserves condemnation. - Walter Williams

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      This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
    6. Re:Hmm... by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 4, Funny

      I like your thinking. This is the government asking for this after all, you can't even trust the government with your social security number! Giving them your address is just asking for trouble.

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    7. Re:Hmm... by butchersong · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I believe his point was that the federal government is at the moment not capable of paying for ANYTHING. So yeah a consumer that wishes to have broadband paying for the service is preferable to the government borrowing more money to pay for something they wouldn't implement correctly anyway.

    8. Re:Hmm... by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Interesting

      >>>instead of the taxpayer paying for it via taxes, the customers will pay for it

      That's right. At least as a customer, you can cancel the bill if you feel it's too high, or downgrade to a cheaper service. For example I downgraded from $60 to $15 when comcast raised their rates.

      - As a customer you have power to cancel or moderate your spending.
      - As a taxpayer you have zero power.
      - I prefer the former to the latter, don't you?

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    9. Re:Hmm... by Ed+Bugg · · Score: 4, Interesting

      So you're proposing that instead of the taxpayer paying for it via taxes, the customers will pay for it via price increases handed down by the providers to cover the extra costs?

      So it's OK for everyone to pay for it as long as it's not called taxes? Brilliant.

      As much as you aimed that comment sarcastically, you are right on the money. Think of it as paying for something you actually use and is meaningful to you. Rather then paying for a service that you didn't use, but instead someone got to use.

      Or to put it another way. Why should I work for 60 hours a week busting my rear so that you can sit in your parents basement getting high scores on Call of Duty since you have virtually no lag time thanks to my taxes?

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    10. Re:Hmm... by svtdragon · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Might be handy to look up national debt as a percentage of GDP. From historical experience, where we are now is far from untenable--and Bush's tax cuts cost us a great deal more, in terms of the deficit, than Obama's budget.

      Relax the "zomg deficit spending is teh baaaad" meme until we're out of the recession/under 10% unemployment, mkay?

    11. Re:Hmm... by Ephemeriis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why? Well I'd like to see telco's held to their promised speeds as much as possible. If you are going to advertise one speed but only deliver a lower one, that's false advertising (or something).

      This is why I ran their test and submitted the results.

      If you go by my ISP's advertising you'll see they're offering 10 Mbps in my area. What you won't see is that regardless of which plan you sign up for, you're lucky if you can actually get 3 Mbps.

      So, by running their test, they've got something more accurate than what the ISPs will tell them.

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    12. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why should I work for 60 hours a week busting my rear so that you can go to the library and read books thanks to my taxes? I only buy books - I have no need for a library.

      Why should I work for 60 hours a week busting my rear so that you can drive on improved roads thanks to my taxes? I work from home and have a big car - I have no need for pothole-free roads.

      Why should I work for 60 hours a week busting my rear so that you can send your child to a school funded by my taxes? I have no children, and if I did they would go to a private school.

      Why should I work for 60 hours a week busting my rear so that you can be assured of eating safe food, thanks to the FDA's use of my taxes? I have my own farm - I have no need for food regulation.

      Why should I work for 60 hours a week busting my rear so that you can get medicare thanks to my taxes?
      Why should I work for 60 hours a week busting my rear so that you can be safe thanks to the military funded by my taxes?
      Why should I work for 60 hours a week busting my rear so that you can drink soda made from HFCS, subsidized by my taxes?
      Why should I work for 60 hours a week busting my rear so that you can have onion routing, thanks to DARPA funded by my taxes?

    13. Re:Hmm... by svtdragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Under Obama's existing and projected budget, the debt increased by about $25 trillion during 2009, $15 trillion in 2010, and $10 trillion for the years 2011, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16. Look up Obama's budget - it's there in plain balck and white.

      Yes--due largely to the unfunded liabilities that the Bush administration incurred before Obama even took office. See also: Medicare part D, estate tax repeal, Bush's tax cuts for the top 1%. Their full cost is playing out *now*.

      And you're assigning a numerical value per household, which is at best tangential to the issue of the debt/GDP ratio. See here and the plots here.

    14. Re:Hmm... by D+Ninja · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why should I work for 60 hours a week busting my rear so that you can sit in your parents basement getting high scores on Call of Duty since you have virtually no lag time thanks to my taxes?

      Well, um...I'm still getting lag time, so apparently you're not working hard enough...

    15. Re:Hmm... by Khyber · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As often as cable modems break and cable networks switch IP addresses (unless you pay extra for the static IP) I pretty much fail to see how they'll build any reliable database from the cable side of things, as far as IP addresses are concerned (which are not reliable identifiers anyways.)

      I'm on my 10th IP address in two days and my THIRD cable modem in two months, just to give you an indication.

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    16. Re:Hmm... by IICV · · Score: 4, Informative

      A witty saying proves nothing. - Voltaire

    17. Re:Hmm... by Ed+Bugg · · Score: 4, Funny

      Welcome to the Libertarian party.

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    18. Re:Hmm... by JWSmythe · · Score: 4, Informative

          Check the fine print. It's written in 1px tall letters, but not necessarily every available to you.

          The advertised rate is the maximum data rate that would be possible with your account.

            They may have the pipe between your house and their first pop at the advertised speeds, but that won't necessarily be available through their network. They cannot assert the reliability of any 3rd part web sites, nor connectivity on any network beyond their own.

          Additionally, they probably don't (read: never) have enough capacity on their network to take 100% of advertised rate for all users simultaneously. Providers always oversell their bandwidth. They have since the dialup days. "Ok, we have 1,000 56k modems. Therefore we should have 56Mb/s available. Great, we'll run it over this T1, and blame line noise on their end for any slower speeds."

          Bandwidth calculations for sales are very dependent on the fact that some of the customers will never use their service. Some will only use it intermittently. Those who use too much capacity will be throttled or cancelled.

          When cable modems were first coming out, RoadRunner was using the same provider as my work. I could download stuff from work to home at 10Mb/s. That lasted for a few months, and then I suddenly found it capped at 3Mb/s. Ok, still, I'm happy, this was years ago and my other choice was a 56k modem. Then I found it capped at 1.5Mb/s. I was starting to get annoyed, so I called to complain. "My connection is getting slower and slower." They told me it couldn't have possibly been 10Mb/s, they never provisioned anything like that. Hmm. They also said the advertised rate of 3Mb/s is only a maximum. If other people in the area are using service at the same time as me, I should expect slower times. No one ever sees their maximum advertised throughput. If I'd like, I could upgrade to "Business" service for 10x as much, which has a higher advertised rate, but still does not have a guarantee for throughput. It's in the fine print, in the addendum that I wasn't provided a copy of. In the cellar. Behind the locked door marked "Beware the Leopard". In the disused lavatory. In the bottom drawer of a locked file cabinet. Clearly it was my fault for not understanding the terms of the contract, therefore I need to shut up and pay my bill like a happy little customer.

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    19. Re:Hmm... by slashdotjunker · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That's exactly why you bust your butt for 60 hours a week. You do it so that he sits in his parent's basement and gets high scores on Call of Duty instead of going out and mugging you in Central Park. Every large society is going to have some dead weight. It is a problem that cannot be ignored. Either you provide social services for the dead weight, or the dead weight turns to crime, or you euthanize the dead weight. Personally, I hate crime and I don't want to even think about the moral and procedural issues of deciding who gets to live. Thus, I pay my taxes. I don't like it, but it's the only solution we have that works.

    20. Re:Hmm... by Patch86 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This whole "up to" thing seems like a barely legal joke to me.

      If I ran a dairy delivery, and I offered my customers "packages" of either "up to 2 pints of milk, up to 3 pints, or up to 4 pints", and then proceeded to deliver them 1 pint, 1 1/4 pints, or 1 1/2 pints, do you know what would happen? I'd be bitch slapped by the Trade Descriptions Act quicker than you can say "but did you read the fine print?". You're not allowed to offer something that you have no intention of delivering, and that's that.

      It seems like the ISPs are in one of those strange legal loop-holes that so regularly plague the technology industries. It seems that the second someone introduces something "on a computer", the regulators completely lose their minds...

  2. They need to give us better motivation by antifoidulus · · Score: 3, Funny

    ie have the applet download some porn and measure how long it took!

  3. Test server slashdotted already? by ptbarnett · · Score: 5, Informative
    I ran the test and the measurements were 10% of the speed of my FIOS connection.

    It offered me the opportunity to rerun the test using Ookla as the host. That returned 25 megabit/sec down and 15 megabit/sec up -- which is what my connection is supposed to do.

    They apparently need to implement some sort of queue, so that they don't saturate their own connection with too many simultaneous tests.

  4. if I were them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would selectively throttle http://www.broadband.gov/ to 110% of the nominal bandwidth being paid for :)

  5. One of the more accurate tests I've run by garcia · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've tried the numerous broadband speed testers out there. Depending on where they are and who they are I have received results as low as 1/5th my actual bandwidth to twice as much. Sometimes I wondered if they were really trying at all. I generally judge my downstream on an average of what I get when I do an aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade as it seems to be inline with my actual advertised speeds. As far as downstream, I use my machine via SSH daily and the speeds I get through that. Pretty consistent.

    This test was pretty much dead on accurate. I was 9993/975 (I have 10/1). The test was painless, easy, and the only thing I didn't particularly care for was the fact that they wanted your exact address. Wouldn't a simple portion of your address work well enough (e.g. 1xx Main St 90210) instead of the entire thing? Even if they were looking to aggregate the information by Zip+4 that should be enough, right? Who needs it any lower than that?

  6. Re:Why the need of an addy? by jgreco · · Score: 5, Informative

    They want to determine coverage. You cannot derive street-level coverage of broadband from IP addresses easily. As it stands, one of the problems with broadband is that you do not get universally consistent coverage, for example, at home, the 3/768 DSL offering of one of the CLEC's failed testing and they provisioned it for 1.5/512 instead. Had we been half a mile closer to the CO, 3/768 likely would have worked. There will be someone else a little further out who can only get it as 768/384.

    The real problem will be for the FCC to get enough people to run this to get a meaningful map. I doubt that they'll get enough for it to really matter.

  7. Re:Why the need of an addy? by trum4n · · Score: 5, Informative

    Problem is, everybody has to grow up. You address is public already. CHILL. Run the damn test so the FCC can rape comcast and FIOS already so we get the speeds we are paying for!

  8. Re:Windows firewall by moosesocks · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not sure I like unblocking an application that the government is sponsoring either.

    Run a packet sniffer, and if you find anything particularly damning, there will be plenty of media outlets that will want to buy the story from you.

    Honestly, between Comcast and the government, I know which of the two I'd trust.

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  9. Re:Why the need of an addy? by hanabal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    seeing as they don't ask for name or SSN or any other way of identifying you, it doesn't help whether they already have it or not. They need some way of tying results to location. If they asked for your name and phone number they could run it through the database they already have to determine your address as it is publicly known. but I think asking for that info would be worse. So they do the easiest thing and ask for address. Then they have a really easy job of tying results to location and the information you provided on its own is pretty harmless.

    Come on, this is a chance for you to help the Government slam the telco's. Which many slashdotters have been asking for for ages. Do it.

  10. Tail Wagging Dog by bxwatso · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I find it odd that, after the FCC has spent tens of billions of dollars promoting and installing broadband as a social service, they are now doing a study of who has broadband and where. It is almost as if they have been putting policy before the facts, a common Washington fault.