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School Putting Autistic Children in Fenced Enclosure

In an attempt to deal with autistic children who "have no sense of boundaries and do not respond to staff asking them to stop," a Sydney primary school has created pens which hold the disabled children during play time. As you might expect, parents have expressed outrage that their kids are forced to stand inside a fenced enclosure that has one tree, a bench and a dirt floor. The Department of Education said in a statement: "The school is located on a busy road. Without this area, the students may leave the school grounds and could potentially be injured. Some of these children have no sense of boundaries and do not respond to staff asking them to stop. Once the school is satisfied a student will listen to directions from staff members and is also aware of playground boundaries, the child can use the playground."

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  1. No Mention of the Size by Conchobair · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The article doesn't say how big the area is. Growing up as a kid, I went to several different schools and they all had fenced playgrounds. This doesn't really seem alarming unless the fenced areas are exremely small. I would like to find out the size of this "enclosure".

    1. Re:No Mention of the Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have NEVER seen a schoolyard that DIDN'T have a fenced playground. Besides... they put up a fence, the parents put up a fight. No fence, a kid gets injured or killed, the parents will sue the school. The schools are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

    2. Re:No Mention of the Size by mweather · · Score: 1

      Fences playgrounds are indeed nothing out of the ordinary. But they didn't fence in the playground, they fenced in a portion of it and locked the autistic kids inside. That is quite out of the ordinary.

    3. Re:No Mention of the Size by jim_v2000 · · Score: 1

      Autistic kids aren't "ordinary", as sad as that might make some people to hear. They were having difficulty keeping them from wandering off, and this is a good solution.

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    4. Re:No Mention of the Size by Your.Master · · Score: 1

      I've never seen a fenced playground. I grew up in rural Ontario. I've since moved, but I haven't gone out of my way to examine any schools since, so maybe it's common in more urban areas.

    5. Re:No Mention of the Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have NEVER seen a schoolyard that DIDN'T have a fenced playground.

      Unlike the other respondent, I grew up in a big city, and I have NEVER seen a playground that was fenced in, or had concrete as its predominant feature. Fences and concrete seem to be features of places like America and the soviet block of nations.

      It's bizarre that some people would think that fences in public places is a NORMAL childhood experience. Sort of like some people think that CCTV cameras are NORMAL and second nature to growing up.

    6. Re:No Mention of the Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Wow. I am a parent of an autistic child and I know many other autistic children and families. I guess you could say I, and many other parents, have years of experience.

      Wandering is a very real issue for many parents: there is a fellow in our neighborhood who is mid-teens now and who has wandered since he was about 7 years old. "Wander" does not mean just to the end of the block -- could be anywhere in the city. The city police got to know him quite well because of the number of times he was brought in by passing motorists. For those who are tempted to blame the parents for not exercising enough control: it was not a simple thing to keep track of him. He is a real escape artist.

      Even though he is not verbally communicative, he always seemed to know exactly where he was and how to get back. Early attempts of attaching a GPS transponder were futile but he now accepts the unit and actually makes sure he has it on before going out. er... look up "Social Stories" and "Carol Gray".

      Depending on the enclosure, the school response may or may not be the best. One thing for sure though, the school is responding to a real problem and their first priority is to ensure the children do not get lost and that they come to no harm. After that it is what resources they have available and what expertise they can bring to the problem.

      My experience with schools is that they are primarily mass production student factories. Individual needs and issues are low on the list. Special needs issues are difficult at best. Most positive situations result from the actions of individual teachers and principals, not as a consequence of an "administration approved" intervention.

      Its a tough one. One thing is for sure though: Listen to the parents; they are the experts for their children. If the parents feel there is something wrong then they should be listened to.

    7. Re:No Mention of the Size by dogzdik · · Score: 0

      I made it out alive.......

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    8. Re:No Mention of the Size by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 1

      I don't know how big of a city (or how rough of a neighborhood) you grew up in, but the cities I grew up in? All of them have fenced in "playgrounds" (asphalt and concrete). Should it be normal? No, but what else are you going to do to keep the kids from running into the road or from drug dealers coming in unnoticed?

      The only school I went to that had a non-fenced in, dirt and grass playground, was a Catholic private school in an upscale town a few miles away.

      Oh yeah, thanks for comparing my country with the Soviet Block. We're bad, but not that bad (yet).

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    9. Re:No Mention of the Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why exactly would drug dealers "come in" to a playground? Drug dealers have no interest in people who do not have money, since even a decent bag of weed can be 50 dollars, I think most school children would be free from your bogey man.

    10. Re:No Mention of the Size by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, except you don't know the neighborhood I lived in (same neighborhood the school was in), so don't make such assumptions. I lived there long enough to know that there were drug dealers around CONSTANTLY.

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    11. Re:No Mention of the Size by residieu · · Score: 1

      We had a fence, but it wasn't enclosing. I guess it was intended to stop balls and things from flying out into the road, but the kids could still walk around it if they wanted (and often had to to recover whatever was hit OVER the fence.

    12. Re:No Mention of the Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I grew up in rural Ontario. maybe it's common in more urban areas.

      You think so?

    13. Re:No Mention of the Size by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      even a decent bag of weed can be 50 dollars, I think most school children would be free from your bogey man

      You think, you think, you think... in a large number of cases, you’d be wrong.

      Anyway, the primary concern is kids ditching school during recess, and/or walking out in the street without looking and getting hit by traffic, and then the parents will sue the school because their kids were supposed to be under the school’s supervision.

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    14. Re:No Mention of the Size by daem0n1x · · Score: 1

      This is stupid bullshit. The kindergarten where my kids go has a nice big outdoors playground with grass, slides and swings. It's all surrounded by a tall fence with barbwire on top. There's only one (always locked) entrance/exit with a guy watching.

      I'd go nuts if I knew my kids were playing on the street with nothing between them and the road. A small kid can't understand the danger of walking on the road. You can't just expect him to obey just because you tell him "You can't go there!". In my own experience, it may even make it worse ;-)

      Not only because of cars, but also because of nutties. There was one case of someone going to that kindergarten posing as a kid's mother. Of course, she ended in the local precinct. And my country is one of the safest in the world.

    15. Re:No Mention of the Size by v1 · · Score: 1

      If there's a road nearby and they're worried for the kids, I'd be asking why the entire playground isn't fenced in? Do they allow the "normal kids" to play in traffic?

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    16. Re:No Mention of the Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm the original AC here who mentioned that I live in a big city without Stalin-era industrial-drab playgrounds. I'll put in my two sense worth here because the AC made a good point by pointing out some FUD (or at least, some unproven and highly suspect statements).

      You think, you think, you think... in a large number of cases, you'd be wrong.

      That's fine, but there isn't anything wrong with thinking. I've been called an idiot and a loser many, many times because I thought about things instead of going along with the least common denominator moral panic, or whatever else the democratic majority has in mind for their version of reality. If, in fact fenced-in playgrounds can prevent "drug dealers coming in unnoticed" then chances are the school is breaking some type of fire code because the children need an easy and accessible way to "escape". Now, I'm sure many schools have fences (We've all seen "Welcome Back Kotter" and "West Side Story"), but I'm not sure how they can prevent Drug Dealers from entering the school unless it was some type of prison environment with locks on the gates and guards patrolling the yard. Lots of talk, but no evidence. (Yeah, I'm sure there may be one or possibly two schools like that, but until I see any evidence that this is NORMAL in America then I will be HIGHLY skeptical). And if these drug dealers are so rampant, then one would think that the police would do sweeps of the area, keeping an eye on Young Angry Black Men with gold chains hanging around the fence trying to get in. Again, I'm somewhat skeptical, but it makes for good TV.

      ...Anyway, the primary concern is kids ditching school during recess, and/or walking out in the street without looking and getting hit by traffic...

      Yeah, that's for the mentally incompetent kids, but this thread deals specifically with normal kids. If NORMAL kids need "fences" to keep them from running off then, if I was a parent, I would never, EVER put my child in that type of environment, and if I had no choice (like in the former Soviet union) then I would NEVER ever have children in the first place (or I'd raise them in the woods where they couldn't be found by "Civilization"). But really, I think some of the ideas in this thread are more hype than reality.

    17. Re:No Mention of the Size by mweather · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm glad we have a final solution to the autism problem. Maybe now the rest of the kids can concentrate.

    18. Re:No Mention of the Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    19. Re:No Mention of the Size by Rene+S.+Hollan · · Score: 1

      I grew up in Montreal, Quebec in the 1960s and 70s.

      Not only was my school's playground with an asphalt base fenced, the fence was topped with barbed wire. Didn't stop us from climbing it to retrieve balls gone astray (and sometimes ripping our trousers). I'm surprised no kid got seriously injured. Then again, if they did, it'd be "their own damn stupid fault" for trying to "climb the fence".

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    20. Re:No Mention of the Size by Cimexus · · Score: 1

      The article's Australian, and having grown up (and went to school) in Australia I can say that ~most~ suburban schools in Australia do NOT have a fence around their boundary. Mine didn't. Although I think things are changing ... a school near where I live now has just had a fence installed in the last couple of years.

      I spend a lot of time in the US though and it does seem over there that even in many suburban and rural areas, school playgrounds are fenced.

    21. Re:No Mention of the Size by Cimexus · · Score: 1

      Concrete playgrounds ... ugh. Have to admit you do see a lot of them in America. Was a bit of a shock to me having grown up in Australia where most playgrounds are a) huge (as in, 5 or 6 football fields in size); and b) filled with grass and trees (except for the part reserved for an actual sports/playing field).

    22. Re:No Mention of the Size by PhantomHarlock · · Score: 1

      This is very dependent on time and location. As recently as the 1980s most suburban schools in decent areas were not fenced. My Jr. High School was attached to a park in Silicon Valley, and was open. Elementary school had a low perimeter fence around the entire edge of the property but not the playground specifically.

      These days my father refers to the school near him as the 'local gulag' with all of it's fencing - instilling a prison like atmosphere inside and out. I revisited that school of mine not too long ago and it too was hemmed in with high, wrought iron fencing. It feels like civilization is falling imperceptibly slowly.

  2. Coloured writing by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is yellow journalism and blue-faced agitation at its worst. These are special needs kids who are prone to wandering, at a school near a busy road. The fence was installed at the request of their parents. The article clearly states this (as does the summary); the coalition is complaining about it merely because it's an opportunity to cause a pernicious backlash against the school board. Frankly, they should be ashamed of themselves - it's like arguing that installing ramps at a school it singles out people in wheelchairs.

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    1. Re:Coloured writing by pvera · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yup.

      I am the father of an 11-year old autistic boy with an escape artist complex. He has already tried to run away from his teachers many times, and in one occasion he actually made it out of the school grounds. My only relief at the time is that when he took off running almost everyone was outside, so everyone, even the principal, took off after him.

      It still took a good 15 minutes to catch him, and they had already called the police.

      A fence is not going to stop this from happening, but it provides a decent speed bump for wandering children that don't understand the concept of danger.

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    2. Re:Coloured writing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I agree completely. My wife works at a school which caters to children with Autism, and they have several who are runners. At least once a week they have an escape which requires the school staff running after the child, calling the police, and all other levels of disruption and danger to the students and staff. One child in particular is a really good runner -- only one of the teachers there can run fast enough to catch him. Luckily they are located in an area which is mostly surrounded by farm land. A busy road nearby could really end badly.

    3. Re:Coloured writing by CODiNE · · Score: 1

      That sounds like what the kid in "What's Eating Gilbert Grape" had. I think in the movie he was called "retarded" but he really acted like he had something else entirely. I'm gonna have to read up on the different types of autism.

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    4. Re:Coloured writing by sugapablo · · Score: 1

      Actually, every public elementary school I can think of here in Pittsburgh has a fenced in place where the children play. All the children. Big fences too. Keeps the balls the kids are playing with from going into the street...oh and yeah, keeping those non-autistic kids from running away.

    5. Re:Coloured writing by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 1

      For someone who has a child with autism, you sure are acting ignorant. Some autistic children do not learn as well as others. This is something you should know.

      Of course your comment about free range hens and eggs says it all.

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    6. Re:Coloured writing by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      When i was a kid we were kept in a fenced 'cage' too, of course it was the back perimeter of the school property. One school we didn't have *any* trees, only play fields.

      If this fenced in area is large enough i don't see a huge issue, but if its too small, then its a true cage and parents should be appalled.

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    7. Re:Coloured writing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PLEASE do us a favor and learn how to properly use frickin' periods!

    8. Re:Coloured writing by blueskies · · Score: 1

      do you eat free range hens or eggs???

      Are you suggesting we eat our autistic children?

      I try to eat pastured chickens. Chickens that are allowed to move freely inside large pastures with fences keeping them from getting run over on the road.

    9. Re:Coloured writing by Jaysyn · · Score: 1

      No, you don't sound nutty or anything.

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  3. Someone please think of the tail-eating snakes! by Volante3192 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Parents complain about child's safety. Check.
    School responds by putting up fence. Check.
    Parents complain about putting children in fenced areas. Check.

    And thus another ouroborous was born.

  4. And i assume... by Securityemo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Keeping them indoors wouldn't be an option? Wire fencing them is a pragmatic solution, but besides sending a really, really wrong message to the other children (and the autistic kids themselves, if they are able to reflect upon their social standing towards other people, which might not be the case) it seems very boring.

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  5. Asperger ranting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    As an Asperger adult, I find this shameful. If there's something an autistic child needs, it's other persons support and friendship. Putting these childs in fences would only
    make their "integration" harder. This is what makes the diferrence between a silent, isolated autist and a "normal" person who doesn't consider his condition as a limitation. Let the autist be part of society!

    1. Re:Asperger ranting by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 1

      It's not an issue of keeping them separated from the others as much as it is keeping them from RUNNING INTO A BUSY ROAD.

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    2. Re:Asperger ranting by petrus4 · · Score: 1

      But of course. It's always done for the protection of someone's safety.

      "Finally, dear Julius, you will remember what I frequently said and wrote in Mein Kampf: "The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people." I explained that as long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation. It is truly heartwarming to see how well this lesson has been learned by the American government. In the name of children, incursions into the private lives of American citizens have been made that we Nazis would have gazed at with open-mouthed admiration. Does it matter that our bodies failed as long as our spirit still triumphs?"

      -- Posthumous Letter from Adolf Hitler to Julius Streicher.

      This is an adaptation of Bush's "free speech zones," plain and simple. The parents are probably the only real reason why they don't simply shoot these kids instead; Kali knows, it's what governments would prefer to do with us.

    3. Re:Asperger ranting by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Right... 'cause "normal" kids never chase a ball into a busy road! The solution is obvious: ALL kids should have a playground with a fence to keep them from running out into traffic. Only providing this safety measure to the autistic kids wrongly discriminates against all the other kids!

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    4. Re:Asperger ranting by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 1

      So these children should be allowed to run into the road and die horrible deaths? Or how about not go outside at all and suffer all day inside a stuffy building?

      I'd rather high risk children like this be protected in some manner than not at all.

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    5. Re:Asperger ranting by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 1

      Non-autistic kids are more likely to listen to a command to stop.

      And yes, if they are that close to a busy road they should fence in the whole playground.

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    6. Re:Asperger ranting by Locke2005 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Non-autistic kids are more likely to listen to a command to stop. By that criteria, deaf or hard of hearing kids should be put into separate enclosures as well. The parents aren't objecting to the school keeping their kids safe, they are objecting to them singling out their kids for "special treatment", leading to the other kids ridiculing and ostracizing them, as kids tend to do with anyone presented to them as being "different". The administrators that thought up this scheme should have their own children forced to ride the short bus to school and kept in pens during recess, to see how they feel about their own children being treated that way.

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    7. Re:Asperger ranting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By that criteria, deaf or hard of hearing kids should be put into separate enclosures as well. .

      I don't have a problem with that...

  6. They shouldn't be there at all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Isn't this a glaring sign that these children shouldn't be in that environment at all? I have a severely autistic (ie tantrumming pre-schooler in adult's body) brother. Growing up he attended a special needs school where the whole playground was well fenced, and where there were specialist teachers. This school was government-funded, and we were lucky that such facilities were available. Often they aren't, and due to shortage of money (usual story) these kids get shoe-horned in to regular schools where they don't get the care they need (teachers are usually already way too over-burdened as it is just dealing with the regular kids).

    Obviously, autistic kids who are clearly going to gain from the social environment should go to a normal school. Clearly these fenced kids aren't able to fit in. It's a really sad situation. Their families should be withdrawing them, but maybe without this school they don't have adequate support to look after them (which is sad) or just don't give a shit and don't care where they get sent (also very sad).

  7. Dirt floor? by aquila.solo · · Score: 1

    I don't know how they do it in Oz, but where I'm from we call that "the ground." Were the parents expecting hardwood flooring or wall-to-wall carpeting on the playground?

    1. Re:Dirt floor? by fj3k · · Score: 1

      I don't know about where you're from, but in Oz we have this thing called "grass". It's what people normally expect a playground to be covered in... except for the sand-pit... oh and basketball courts, etc.

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    2. Re:Dirt floor? by clone53421 · · Score: 1

      I don’t know what it’s like in Oz, but in the US this thing called “grass” doesn’t survive for long with kids playing on it everyday. People here would normally expect a playground to be covered in woodchips, coarse sand, or compressed shredded rubber.

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  8. An observation from an adult with an ASD. by ka8zrt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    After having read the original article and the comments made on it, I would like to share some comments about this, coming from a perspective which probably differs from what may be 74/75ths to perhaps 149/150ths of the rest of you who are Neurotypicals (NTs). You see, I have been diagnosed with an Autistic Spectrum Disorder (ASD... God... how I hate that last word), such as those who who are being put into the enclosure. However, in my case, my childhood occurred before ASDs were widely known by teachers and doctors, and for the most part, a bright but reclusive and awkward child. It was not until I was in my 40s that I was diagnosed, at which point, I could look back at my life and see where various events, behaviours and tendencies may very likely have been the result of my being on the spectrum.

    1) Nowhere was the size of this area indicated, nor sufficient details about the surroundings. If it is of a significant size, OK. But even then, it has been pointed out by folks in the area that it lacked adequate shade and was in other ways lacking when compared with another playground at the school, which was apparently featured on a pamphlet of some sort.

    2) When possible, kids with ASDs, whether they are low functioning and in need of 24/7 care, or so high functioning that they generally appear normal, should be treated as much the same as NTs, doing the same activities on the same playgrounds and as much as possible in the same classes. Yes, we **may** need a bit less distraction in the classroom (no covering the walls with unnecessary maps, posters, etc.), **may** have issues with bright lights, the buzzing from the lights, etc., and **may** get upset at changes such as a substitute. We **may** also be subject to being bullied. But at the same time, we **may** act up because we may be bored with what the NTs have taken days to understand while we got it in no time flat. (And grades are not a good indicator here...) The list goes on... But all this is necessary, because by doing so, we learn to socialize as best we can, and people have a chance to learn that AS vs. NT is no different than where we were born, the color of our hair, our race or anything else.

    3) If you are going to fence off an area, take advantage of the fact and fence off an area for all the kids to use, not just those diagnosed with an ASD. I know of many schools where this was done for younger kids, who NT, Aspie or Autie are prone to go running off under the right conditions (such as chasing off after a ball). Indeed, the entire playground areas at schools I attended were big enough to play baseball in, if not larger.

    4) As for the "dirt floor" comment... ours were a mix of asphalt, grass and dirt covered with sand, pea gravel or wood chips, to cut down on puddles and mud while allowing a chance for the kids to work off excess energy. More recently, there has been a move to use the rubber "asphalt" which is springy and more forgiving than either the hard ground or asphalt... fewer injuries from falls. And no, this is not a fancy rich area, but rather rural Appalachia, where 90% of us fed the livestock both before and after school, and were used to seeing garbage cans in the halls to capture water from leaks in the roof.

    Don't get me wrong... I am not saying all children should be treated in 100% the same way. That is one of the problems with NCLB as implemented in many schools, and perhaps symptomatic of trying to teach 30+ children in a single classroom with one teacher. If a child has a speech impediment, such as saying "ch" vs. "st" but otherwise has a large vocabulary and reads and does math several grade levels higher than their peers, you should have a speech pathologist work with the impediment and give them instruction at their advanced levels when ever possible. If, however, they have problems reading or doing math, but are otherwise doing fine, give them the extra instruction they need in those areas, and otherwise they are just like any other child. Perhaps by doing so can we reclaim what once put us on the Moon, and go beyond that to possibly fix many of the ills which we are presently suffering.

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  9. Total lack of comprehension. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Most of you people have a total lack of reading comprehension. That or are just cold hearted. The problem here ISN'T that the playground is fenced off! No where does it say that. No where does it imply that. Not a single aspect of it. It's that the autistic children are fenced off from everyone else. Essentially telling the normal kids that the autistic children are animals, while telling the autistic children there is something wrong with them. Having worked with special needs children of all types for years, and a good portion of that time working specifically with autistic kids of all ranges, you are dead wrong if you thing they don't know whats going on around them. I have never met one who wasn't at least partially aware of their surroundings, and there's hardly any who wouldn't realize they are being mistreated by being thrown in a cage. And a cage with nothing to actually do in it for that matter (sitting on a bench doesn't count).

    The people in charge of this school should be absolutely ashamed of themselves, and honestly don't deserve a job dealing with children. The fact that this is being defended is simply despicable and shows how poorly regarded disabled people are in this country.

  10. Not uncommon to seclude a dangerous kid... by eepok · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Putting a dangerous kid in a pen isn't uncommon.

    I've worked with high-function autistic, Asperger's, and ADHD students. In almost all the schools (all of them small), there's a "quiet room": a locked, padded room in case a student goes into a flailing tantrum. Ya, it happens. Ya, it's really quite dangerous for the other children and staff around the angry child. So, if they feel like that's the last resort, they go into the quiet room and chill out.

    1. Re:Not uncommon to seclude a dangerous kid... by ka8zrt · · Score: 1

      True... but this is not just for HFA, AS, ADHD or similar students. I have seen such a room used with NTs as well (such as teens who get out of hand). I have no problems with that sort of thing, so long as it is across the board, and not used as an easy way to seclude a student who they don't want to deal with for other reasons.

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  11. This is the problem, people. by Xeleema · · Score: 1

    At first I was inclined to comment on my old elementary school, which had a huge (fenced-in) playground, and how after I paid the school a visit a few decades later, the playground had been reduced to a tenth (no joke!) of the size. The rest of the field left to grow out of control, and the jungle-gyms of yore long gone. However, one thing I think bears pointing out; We have almost eliminated all forms of natural selection in our world, and we're suffering from it, people. Sometimes you have to just let the problems solve themselves...

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  12. Why not have a fence around the playground? by JMatopos · · Score: 1

    Isn't it an issue anyway that the (unenclosed) school playground is next to a busy road?

  13. Finally... by vikingpower · · Score: 1

    Finally: some educators who have sound views upon how to educate our progeniture !

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