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PA Laptop Spying Inspires FSF Crowdsourcing Effort

holmesfsf writes "Creeped out by the Lower Merion School District's remote monitoring of students? Check out the Free Software Foundation's response to the laptop spying scandal and help build a wiki listing of school districts that provide students with laptops, so that the FSF can campaign against mandatory, proprietary laptops."

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  1. Great idea by H4x0r+Jim+Duggan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hopefully this situation will be a stepping stone to help the public understand the role that computers play in our personal lives.

    I switched to GNU/Linux in 1998 because lights on my external modem flickered each time I used RealPlayer to play files that were on my own computer.

  2. Meh. by XPeter · · Score: 4, Informative

    At the high school I attend, all the desktops and laptops allowed on school property have a form of remote monitoring installed (Web Sense, NetOps, along with Deep Freeze).

    The problem is relatively easy to fix, though. I use my home computer as a proxy to get past Web Sense, and give myself admin rights to disable the NetOps and Deep Freeze. All students should know how to do this, and I teach as many how to as I can. Fuck the "monitoring" they do, this isn't China.

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    1. Re:Meh. by Enleth · · Score: 3, Interesting

      1. Install VirtualBox.
      2. Install Windows as a guest (preferably the same version as host if it is Windows, or some believable version if the host is a *nix or whatever).
      3. Start the virtual machine in full-screen mode, with automatic USB and CD pass-through.
      4. Let them install all the crap they want, smiling and thanking them for it.
      5. Save the sate of the virtual machine just in case it's suddenly needed sometime in the future.
      6. ???
      7. Prifot, and a crap-free computer with a good VM system installed for other uses.

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  3. Excuse me? by berryjw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For all those with a knee-jerk reaction to this, consider it from this perspective: You've just spent millions of dollars, building a network infrastructure, programming servers and switches and routers, creating images and an environment to handle all of this, all for a very specific task. You're saying there's *nothing wrong* with me using what you've built, however I want to, and you've no right to watch how I use it? If so, I'm coming to your place, no reason for me to ever spend a dime on tech! Hmm, does this logic apply to your car? Or bank account???

    1. Re:Excuse me? by lena_10326 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Spending millions of dollars and loaning out hardware doesn't give school officials the right to remotely activate and control the laptop webcam and spy on children in their own bedrooms--potentially while undressing. People are pissed not due to knee jerk reaction, but because what the school did was fucking creepy.

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    2. Re:Excuse me? by bmo · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, you don't get to monitor people through your network, unless it's for monitoring how the network is working. Not without notification to the users (who in this case can't sign a contract legally).

      You *do not* get carte blanche to monitor users simply because you spent money and built a network. In order to do that, you need to get a waiver from the users of that network.

      If you're going to secretly monitor minors using your network, you are a creepy fuck and you deserve to go to jail because you've just violated the ECPA.

      *BMO throws a copy of the ECPA and a copy of Netlaw at your head*

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  4. Governance by DaveGod · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The issue isn't proprietary laptops nor the student's control over them. It's bad governance. A bad decision arising from good intentions simply not thought out nor with proper controls and disclosure in place.

    With good governance they never should have made a decision that would so obviously bring the school into such disrepute. With proper controls they could demonstrate how the function could not be abused, or at a minimum that abuse would be detected. With proper disclosure the school kids and their parents could have objected and this farce never would have happened even with the school having made the bad decision. With proper disclosure there is an entirely different scope for alarm - spying on kids with their knowledge is appalling but without them knowing, that's really something.

    Using non-proprietary laptops merely adds one avenue for detection of the wrongdoing here. It's trivial compared to the other causes of the failure that need to be rectified, starting with the removal of the entire board responsible for the decision because of their utterly incompetent governance.

  5. Opportunism by Ralish · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is it just me, or does this just reek of opportunism? What the school in question did was appalling, but it has nothing to do with the open-source vs. closed-source debate, or the proprietary vs. open debate, it's just raw and basic ethics. This is about people's basic right to privacy, as well as the ethical conduct of system administrators. Windows doesn't stop you installing open-source software, and Linux doesn't stop you installing proprietary software. Neither operating system will stop a system administrator from installing nasty software.

    Presumably the FSF would feel a lot better about this if the students were being spied on from laptops running Linux with open-source spying software? We could mask the presence with an open-source rootkit, and upload the data to a FreeBSD server running Apache and a MySQL database. Then this would be just fine. Groups that hijack legitimate issues in order to advance their own agenda are sickening. Jack Thompson likes to do this to advocate video game restrictions, pro & anti gun control groups do this whenever the latest gun violence story hits the news, and now the FSF joins in. I knew they'd been progressively losing sanity over the years, but I thought even this was beneath them.

    1. Re:Opportunism by PhysicsGeek42 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The FSF is not about open source software. The FSF is about protecting the personal freedoms of computer users. As such, a case like this where the privacy of computer users is compromised without their consent is of great interest to the FSF.

  6. Re:I wonder about "Free" by pla · · Score: 3, Insightful

    At some point, you have to take someone's word that the software you are loading on your computer is "trustworthy", unless you're going to write it all yourself.

    Yes and no.

    Yes, I don't personally audit every line of code I run on my computers, so in that sense I "trust" the FOSS community to act as a pretty damned effective first-line defense against most of the common crap commercial vendors try to pull (whether Sony rootkits or WGA or Energizer's recent scandal).

    But also "No", in that if I notice some suspicious activity in a program I use, I can have the relevant source open in front of me five minutes later to see why it did what it did - Did it just get confused by a DNS timeout? Did it legitimately (it not necessarily with my permission) try to update itself to handle my request? Did it try to report everything I've done in the past 24 hours to a remote server in China under the guise of a "bug report"? With commercial software, I can at best block its action at the firewall and see what breaks; With FOSS, I can know what it did and act accordingly.


    Free software isn't inherently more trustworthy, it simply moves the trust relationship around.

    Yep, it does. And I'll trust a million strangers with no commercial interest in my life over a single CEO who sees me as a "resource" any day of the week, thankyouverymuch. And as a side-bonus, it also places more of that burden of trust right back on my shoulders. And while I may not always act in my own best interest, I do unwaveringly trust myself.