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How Students Use Wikipedia

crazybilly writes "First Monday recently released a study about how college students actually use Wikipedia. Not surprisingly, they found, 'Overall, college students use Wikipedia. But, they do so knowing its limitation. They use Wikipedia just as most of us do — because it is a quick way to get started and it has some, but not deep, credibility.' The study offers some initial data to help settle the often heated controversy over Wikipedia's usefulness as a research tool and how it affects students' research."

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  1. Hate by s1lverl0rd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Lots of my fellow students copy sentences and whole paragraphs from Wikipedia verbatim, without citing sources. I hate that.

    1. Re:Hate by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd imagine they hate it worse when the marker uses an automated plagiarism detection program and fails them.

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    2. Re:Hate by s1lverl0rd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, but it illustrates how Students I know Use Wikipedia.

    3. Re:Hate by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "These days?" More like "always". I used to do that circa 1985 in 6th grade with an old-fashioned paper encyclopedia. It's nothing new, and yes you get caught when you do it.

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    4. Re:Hate by rodrigoandrade · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, college students use the Internet to cheat on research papers.

      News at 11.

    5. Re:Hate by Pojut · · Score: 3, Informative

      ...he/she wasn't referring to the OP, just that people who copy word-for-word from a site as big as Wikipedia likely get failed due to the anti-plagiarism programs that a lot of universities are no providing their professors with.

      They weren't saying anything positive or negative about Wikipedia; just that the people who copy directly from it likely do (or at least should) get caught.

    6. Re:Hate by smitty97 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Lots of my fellow students copy sentences and whole paragraphs from Wikipedia verbatim, without citing sources. I hate that.

      [citation needed]

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    7. Re:Hate by 986151 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Lots of my fellow students copy sentences and whole paragraphs from Wikipedia verbatim, without citing sources. I hate that.

    8. Re:Hate by Inconexo · · Score: 3, Funny

      You can always copy literally and then change Wikipedia.

    9. Re:Hate by exploder · · Score: 2, Funny

      The first thing anyone should be taught about collage level research is that an encyclopedia is not a primary source but it's an excellent starting point to find primary sources.

      Most appropriate typo ever .

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    10. Re:Hate by BrokenHalo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "plagiarism detection software tends to be regarded as a bad thing by the best educational institutions" [Citation Needed]

      That won't get a citation from me, given how many educational institutions use that fucking awful "Blackboard" interface with with that even crappier "Turnitin" plagiarism detection.

      There's nothing wrong with using Wikipedia as a first port of call for a student with no prior knowledge of a particular subject area. But if that's his last port of call, that's another matter altogether, and is easy enough for the most moronic or somnambulant markers to pick up.

  2. Wikipedia tells me... by kiehlster · · Score: 3, Funny

    that you must be gathering your information from Wikipedia. I'm pretty sure that's what that Wikipedia article is saying.

    1. Re:Wikipedia tells me... by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, as recent events in Texas have demonstrated, a minority conservatives think it's better to change reality to suit their ideology than to change their ideology to suit reality. Which was exactly the same motivation for Conservapedia.

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  3. As a source of sources, it is invaluable by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The list of sources at the bottom of most entries is a great starting point for research.

    1. Re:As a source of sources, it is invaluable by OnlyJedi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Definitely true. I've used Wikipedia many times to get a heads-up on the topic and learn what sources are good for further reading. I would never cite Wikipedia itself; it's a bit too unreliable and, more importantly, changeable to use directly as a source. But with the amount of citations good articles have I can easily track down whatever source the Wikipedian used, read the relevant chapters, and cite that.

      Then again, that's how all encyclopedias are supposed to be used. That's why they're usually considered tertiary sources, as opposed to primary and secondary sources. Wikipedia is no different than Britannica or Encarta in that respect. Most of my college classmates have understood this, and the instructors have stressed the importance of a good bibliography.

    2. Re:As a source of sources, it is invaluable by ircmaxell · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree 100%. And as for the "it's not accurate enough for research", I find that it's rarely REALLY wrong. And so long as you go through the sources and don't use it exclusively, it can be a great help. Especially when researching an unfamiliar topic, the Wikipedia page can typically give you a decent 10,000 foot view of the subject, and then you can base your research from there. While I wouldn't use it as a direct reference, you can usually gain enough knowledge from it to at least know what you're looking for when you look at bonafied sources. But then again, it seems like everyone's saying that Wikipedia isn't to be trusted, but that traditional encyclopedias are. From where I'm standing, the only difference between them is the fact that Wikipedia is up front about the "don't trust us". Traditional encyclopedias are typically outdated as soon as they are purchased (for any kind of an active field at least), and typically only show the "opinion" of one or two editors in each subject. Wikipedia at least has the benefit that it's constantly updated and is "peer reviewed" by a significant number of people in the field (at least for the more popular topics). Both have their limitations, but at lest Wikipedia is upfront about theirs...

      Well, actually, now that I think about it, you probably could use it in direct situations, depending on what you're researching. If you're doing research into a highly debated subject, Wikipedia usually does a very good job of highlighting the fact from the opinion, and has subsections for each contested part. While this wouldn't be good for a physics research paper, it would likely be very good for a sociology, literary or even a psychology research paper... Subjects that the inherent inaccuracies in a system like Wikipedia would be useful.

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    3. Re:As a source of sources, it is invaluable by k.a.f. · · Score: 5, Informative

      Definitely true. I've used Wikipedia many times to get a heads-up on the topic and learn what sources are good for further reading. I would never cite Wikipedia itself; it's a bit too unreliable and, more importantly, changeable to use directly as a source

      That's why you cite not WP:Monkey, but http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Monkey&oldid=345367034, which is guaranteed never to change again.

    4. Re:As a source of sources, it is invaluable by FoolishOwl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Then again, that's how all encyclopedias are supposed to be used. That's why they're usually considered tertiary sources, as opposed to primary and secondary sources.

      That's exactly right, and I wish more people would understand that.

      Another use I put Wikipedia to: when an assigned text has an unclear explanation of a concept (e.g., the differential of a function, I go to Wikipedia for an alternate formulation. Often the writing is better and clearer on Wikipedia, but even when it isn't, it's at least as good, and a slightly different perspective helps a lot.

  4. Procrastination tool by Rijnzael · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I use it as a means to quickly learn the essence of a chapter whose homework problems are due in only hours, the subject matter of which I haven't yet learned (e.g., due to skipping class). It's a quick and easy way to cut through a lot of a textbook's fluff and get to concrete examples of common problems and have the critical formulas for solving these problems displayed clearly.

    As an aside, when I had a class freshman year on electrical engineering, the chair of the department actually suggested we heavily use wikipedia to improve our understanding of the topics at hand.

  5. Wikipedia is an important research tool by Vario · · Score: 4, Informative

    In the natural sciences Wikipedia is an important tool in research. In independent reviews the accuracy was on an equal level as other encyclopedias (Britannica), see for example: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/Wpausstellung-18.pdf (german language).
    It provides a free source with fulltext search. In many cases the original research is cited, so that you can look for more detailed information.

    Just imagine trying to get quick information about something without. I am currently working on Quantum criticality. A quick google search provides you with tons of information, the wikipedia entry is a accurate one-page document which cites the most important theoretical papers from the past few years.

    1. Re:Wikipedia is an important research tool by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sure, but the real problem with wikipedia is with editor bias, not factual accuracy.

      Every information source created by human beings is subject to the exact same problem, so I don't see how that in itself would make Wikipedea worse than other resources.

      The reader is always responsible for estimating the bias of any document's author(s) and interpreting the information in that light.

      If you don't agree with the groupthink, then your voice is excluded.

      This is true for everything in life. In an old-style paper encyclopedia, it just happened that the groupthink was hidden from public view and confined to a small group of the publisher's employees.

  6. reverse plagiarism by fph+il+quozientatore · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What if I write an essay for my class, and then include parts of it into Wikipedia? Will the automated cheating detectors mark me as a cheater? Sounds unfair.

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    1. Re:reverse plagiarism by s1lverl0rd · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wikipedia keeps history. You can use that history to prove the edit was made after the essay was written.

      Plus, if you include parts, you'd probably list the essay as a source.

    2. Re:reverse plagiarism by getuid() · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Good luck with getting your own essay recognized by the wikipedia admins as a "credible source" for a wikipedia article you're writing...

    3. Re:reverse plagiarism by tixxit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I doubt you'd be using your essay as a source. Rather, you'd realize you wrote a pretty good summary of some subject in your intro with proper sources. You copy/paste this to Wikipedia, along with your sources.

  7. credibility by mugurel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In part the credibility of information maybe an external factor, determined by its origin and the media through which it is transmitted. But I think that part of the credibility is due to the information itself. By reading a wikipedia article, you typically get quite a good impression of its credibility, by the stylistic quality of the text, it's structure, presence/absence of references, and most importantly, the quality of the argumentation.

    1. Re:Credibility by FroBugg · · Score: 4, Informative

      Established, peer-reviewed journals?

    2. Re:Credibility by TheTurtlesMoves · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I publish in Peer reviewed journals and i have a very low rejection rate.

      IMO Peer review is overrated. Plenty of crap gets though, and plenty of good work gets walled out.

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  8. Euler Angles by professionalfurryele · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know that if I go to wikipedia, type "Euler Angles" in the search box and hit enter, then all the information I need to get me started solving whatever problem I'm working on in rigid body dynamics is right there.

    If the page was wrong, I'd recognise it. I know what Euler Angles are and can recognise the z-x-z convention. If it has been weeks or months since I last used them however, I go and I look them up. It's faster than a textbook or trip to the library and more likely to pay off than a google search.

    Likewise if I need a quick overview of a subject, I fire up wikipedia. It's the equivalent of asking your mate 'Dave' who did a bit of work in the topic a while back about something. Sure you might not be able to trust everything he says because his memory is a little cloudy but he knows this really good text on the subject that is authoritative and he knows you are a lay person so he mentions the bare basics that aren't always in the more advanced texts.

    I'm glad we have a study now which suggests this is how students are using this resource. The reason you don't cite wikipedia or use it as a serious reference text is the same reason you don't cite Britannica. It's an encyclopaedia! A really, really, really good encyclopaedia but none-the-less an encyclopaedia. The reason it's popular isn't because it is being misused, it's because unlike most encyclopaedia it actually contains a decent amount of useful information on a broad range of topics. The only reason we haven't had this 'problem' in the past is that until wikipedia encyclopaedia were, due to technical limitations, pretty crappy.

    1. Re:Euler Angles by radtea · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm glad we have a study now which suggests this is how students are using this resource.

      So am I, but I'm also waiting for studies that show college students eat, sleep, and worry about money and love just like the rest of us.

      The premise of the article is sad: that out default assumption should be that anyone who deviates from white-bread middle-aged middle-American in any respect should be treated as if they were irresponsible, dishonest, or stupid.

      I live in a university town, my company has offices on campus, I'm a technical mentor on a program where most of the other mentors are university students, and I'm always surprised when I'm reminded that the students are a couple of decades younger than me, because there just isn't that much difference between us.

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  9. Credibility by Bromskloss · · Score: 2, Interesting

    it has some, but not deep, credibility

    Then again, what sources do?

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  10. Re:Wikipedia for engineers? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Isn't that an oxymoron? Wikipedia is the public encyclopedic wiki. If you have just a local wiki installation (random, possibly non-Mediawiki) with your own contents, it hardly qualifies as "having one [Wikipedia] at one's workplace".

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  11. What's wrong with limited plagiarism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you're only copying sentences, what's wrong? Many times I find Wikipedia has some of the most concise summaries of complex topics.

    When it comes to papers where you analyse data, why not avoid the stupid stuff (definitions) and offload it on wikipedia, and get to the heart of the topic? Wouldn't that be a much more efficient way of writing?

    This obviously won't work for persuasive papers, because wikipedia tends to be neutral and fact based.

    1. Re:What's wrong with limited plagiarism? by stewbacca · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The definition of plagiarism isn't merely "copying sentences"--it's copying sentences and not citing the source when it's not your own, original thought. Many times I've had an original thought and wrote it as my own, only to find hundreds of other people have had the same thoughts, and put them in papers. Just because I wrote the same thought doesn't mean I plagiarized it--only that human minds often come to the same conclusions.

      Other times I read tons of background information and then use that mashed up knowledge to form my thoughts for a paper. There's no need to cite any of the sources, unless I copy them verbatim, because I was just using the original sources to become more informed in my thought processes.

    2. Re:What's wrong with limited plagiarism? by Tacvek · · Score: 2, Informative

      Specifically, the concept of plagiarism (which is really only meaningful in an academic context, the rest of the world is only concerned about legal matters like Copyright infringement) is the use of specific ideas that are not your own without citing the source of the idea.

      A paper that consists entirely of a long verbatim quote from some other source, but where the source is cited, and it has been made clear what was an exact quote is not plagarism. It would almost certainly fail to meet the requirements of the class.

      On the other hand, if one paraphrases an idea they got from some other source, even without any exact quotes, if the source is not cited it is plagiarism.

      However, plagiarism should not be the main concern of citing sources. The main concern should be to document where you got an idea, or a number, etc. One does not need to repeat all the evidence that supports an idea if one cites a source that provides said evidence, or equivalently one need not may a persuasive argument for some idea if one can site a source that provides said persuasive arguments. This allows you to focus on supporting your conclusion with evidence or arguments as the case may be, without having to justify every population statistic, or philosophical idea you use.

      Citing sources can have other benefits too. It can help protect your reputation. If you used a source that should be reliable, and it is later determined the source had faulty data, by citing the source people will know that you were being mislead, and not that you were intentionally perpetuating bad data.

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    3. Re:What's wrong with limited plagiarism? by stewbacca · · Score: 2, Informative

      That is exactly correct. By citing a source, I'm not saying "I'm too dumb to have figured this out myself, so I'm just copying this guy". Instead, it says, "My findings are supported by the credible research of these other people as well". Or they just show your readers that you've adequately reviewed existing materials in the field of study that lends more value to your findings.

  12. The China Problem by BlueBoxSW.com · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My issue as of late with Wikipedia is the infiltration of Chinese history into the pages.

    Most major inventions are credited to first being invented by the Chinese, regardless how little evidence there is, or whether the invention was anything more than a dream, drawing, or element in a painting.

    Moveable type? Invented by the Chinese.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moveable_type

    The automobile? Invented for a Chinese emperor.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile

    The Roman Abacus? "May have been inspired by" the Chinese.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abacus

    In fact there's a whole list of claims of Chinese "inventions" on Wikipedia that I kind of find dubious, since most of the reference don't exist or suggest otherwise.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_inventions

    If our students are using Wikipedia as a basis for papers, they are likely just repeating subtle propaganda without knowing it.

    Try looking up the Tiananmen Square Massacre. Did you mean the "Tiananmen Square protests of 1989"?

    1. Re:The China Problem by digitalhermit · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Exactly.. It's not specific to Chinese though, as just about every culture makes claim to great inventions. In the US, many believe Henry Ford invented the automobile. Many believe Edison invented the light bulb. Entire cultures believe that reading Hamlet in the original Klingon is the only way to appreciate the nuances of revenge. The thing is that you can qualify the inventions as much as you want. There are incremental changes, early failed prototypes; we stand on the shoulders of giants, after all. Maybe Ford was the first to mass produce automobiles or Edison was the first to make a bulb that lasted, but to claim that they were the original inventors is wrong.

      Movable type though? Probably Chinese. Fermented beverages? Probably not. Well, at least they probably weren't the only "inventors". Use of salt? Hmmm. Probably some over-zealous folks elsewhere tweaking articles to match the history they learned in school. Or a government tweaking folks to match their world view. Either way, history is mutable.

    2. Re:The China Problem by furbyhater · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Movable type: Definitely first invented by the Chinese, see sources.

      Automobile: A (western) jesuit designed a steam-powered vessel for the emperor, nobody knows if it has ever been built (clearly stated in the article).

      Abacus: What should I say? Seems like the Chinses were first.

      Do you have a problem admitting that the Chinese made some inventions before the west?
      Let's just give credit where credit is due.
      Just because your history class told you otherwise because it ignored inventions made by other civilisations than the "west" doesn't mean that the wiki articles aren't true.
      You call it "infiltration of Chinsese history", I call it "accurate and complete information".

    3. Re:The China Problem by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm a little shocked. Just going through, lots of claims, little evidence. Some of them don't cite a claim, and the article doesn't say its not completed, or that it needs citation for that part.

  13. my teachers to that too by iLogiK · · Score: 2, Informative

    Some of my teachers do that too. I'm in a non-english speaking country, but I'm studying in english, so teachers have to translate their courses.
    Once I was having problems understanding something from a pdf from my teacher, so I thought I'd look up the subject on wikipedia. It was the exact same text.

    I should have figured it out sooner since a lot of the words in the pdf were underlined (they were links from wikipedia)

  14. Wikipedia as an expert by Sarten-X · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I consider Wikipedia to be just as credible as a face-to-face interview with an expert in a given field. Given how articles are (generally) written by citing field experts, this makes sense.

    The basic information will be entirely correct, but the most arcane details should be verified elsewhere. Furthermore, it will now and then include some crazy detail that nobody else agrees with, which should be passed off as fringe theories. It is credible, but not infallible.

    I'm sorry if this comes as an insult to experts who think they are infallible.

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  15. My English 201 Research Paper... Thanks Wikipedia! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Timmy Long
    Professor Martha Taco
    English 201

    Mark Twain

    Samuel Langhorne Clemens (November 30, 1835 – April 21, 1910),[3] well-known by his pen name Mark Twain, was an American author and humorist. Twain is noted for his novels Adventures of Huckleberry Finn (1884), which has been called "the Great American Novel",[4] and The Adventures of Tom Sawyer (1876). He is extensively quoted.[5][6] Twain was a friend to presidents, artists, industrialists, and European royalty.

    From 1901, soon after his return from Europe, until his death in 1910, Twain was vice-president of the American Anti-Imperialist League,[58] which opposed the annexation of the Philippines by the United States and had "tens of thousands of members".[25] He wrote many political pamphlets for the organization. The Incident in the Philippines, posthumously published in 1924, was in response to the Moro Crater Massacre, in which six hundred Moros were killed. Many of his neglected and previously uncollected writings on anti-imperialism appeared for the first time in book form in 1992.[59]

    Twain was critical of imperialism in other countries as well. In Following the Equator, Twain expresses "hatred and condemnation of imperialism of all stripes".[25] He was highly critical of European imperialism, notably of Cecil Rhodes, who greatly expanded the British Empire, and of Leopold II, King of the Belgians.[25] King Leopold's Soliloquy is a stinging political satire about his private colony, the Congo Free State. Reports of outrageous exploitation and grotesque abuses led to widespread international protest in the early 1900s, arguably the first large-scale human rights movement. In the soliloquy, the King argues that bringing Christianity to the country outweighs a little starvation. Leopold's rubber gatherers were tortured, maimed and slaughtered until the turn of the century, when the conscience of the Western world forced Brussels to call a halt.[citation needed]