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MP3 Player Tax Proposed In Canada

Interoperable writes "The status of sharing music in Canada is, to some extent, ambiguous. This is partly due to a levy imposed on blank media, CD-Rs and cassette tapes, that compensates artists and the recording studios for a loss of revenue due to copying. Legislation proposed by the NDP and supported by the Bloc Quebecois would extend that levy to cover MP3 players with the intent of decriminalizing audio file sharing for Canadian citizens. The proposed legislation, however, faces opposition from the governing Conservative party; the Liberal party has agreed to discuss the proposed bill."

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  1. First psot by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Funny

    First poost, eh?

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  2. The levy only compensates Major Label artists by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Informative

    Indepedent artists are still left out in the cold.

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    1. Re:The levy only compensates Major Label artists by xZgf6xHx2uhoAj9D · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's not entirely true, depending on what you mean by "independent". So long as you are a member of SOCAN and have music tracked by SoundScan, you're eligible for the levies, regardless of whether you're signed onto a major label. This flow chart (warning: PDF) describes the pay-out structure.

      The media have been kind of lacking here, though. I have no idea how this pay-out scheme works in practice :(. Go go go investigative journalism!

    2. Re:The levy only compensates Major Label artists by JobyOne · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Of course they are. They don't have enough money to be of concern to a government.

      In all seriousness though, this is how it always goes: somebody has a halfway decent idea but somewhere along the line of being implemented it gets perverted by the special interest with the most money. It's always subtle though, that way the special interests get what they need and the politicians still get PR points.

      Remember the increase in tobacco taxes here in the US recently? Pre-rolled cigarettes (made by giant corporations) saw a modest increase in taxation of about 150%. Rolling tobacco (mostly made by smaller, often local businesses) saw their taxes increase by 2,200%.

      The net result? Big tobacco actually gets more business as people ditch the now-obscenely-expensive rolling tobacco, so they're happy. Politicians get to say they're raising money and helping the budget. In reality though, we're driving small businesses down and moving smokers into spending their money to buy an arguably more dangerous cigarette while at the same time not supporting their own local economies.

      I basically assume anything I hear on the news or from a government press conference is at least a gross misrepresentation - if not a flat-out lie.

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    3. Re:The levy only compensates Major Label artists by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >>>People who are both stupid... to add a line to their user CSS

      The what? I had no idea such a thing existed in my web browser (IE, FF, or Opera). And I don't consider myself "stupid"..... maybe "ignorant" but not stupid.
      .

      >>>adds a small, superscript, [PDF] after each link to a PDF

      Or just look at the status bar before clicking a link, and it will tell you what you're opening.

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  3. Re:Useful by mr_da3m0n · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Lets just hope the money gets to the struggling artists!

    I envy your optimism. It will most likely go the recording industry -- the ones who have to be appeased over the digital equivalent of mixtapes.

  4. Common Sense by Akido37 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They pay a copying tax every time they buy media. It seems to me this implies copying is then legal.

    However, with common sense and government, only occasionally do the two meet.

    1. Re:Common Sense by Kryptonian+Jor-El · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Exactly. They've had this CD tax for years that legalized music copyright infringement.

      Now that they're doing this for mp3 players (and I'm sure, PMPs in general), this would also imply that movie and portable game copyright infringement is legal too, eh?

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  5. They finally realize they can't stop us by voodoo+cheesecake · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wish they would do this with my rolling papers and decriminalize non-medicinal marijuana!

  6. May not pass by Jazz-Masta · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The Conservatives are opposed to the bill, and currently they have 145/308 seats in the House of Commons.

    They only have to convince 9 of the Liberals, NDP, or Bloc to agree.

    Not everything is voted on party lines, but most is. It is likely the conservatives will have to make a concession in some other form to get the Liberals to side with them. And that is extremely likely, because the Liberals no longer hold the threatening role they had a couple months ago.

    Yes, I am Canadian.

    1. Re:May not pass by Jazz-Masta · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, I am Canadian.

      I'm so sorry...

      No no, it's my fault, I'm sorry for causing you to experience any thoughts of sorrow. Please accept my deepest apologies.

  7. Re:Useful by value_added · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Lets just hope the money gets to the struggling artists!

    I'd have guess that it would be spent on either donuts or hockey tickets, but Wikipedia offers a different take:

    The private copying levy is distributed as per the Copyright Board's allocation as: 66% to eligible authors and publishers,18.9% to eligible performers and 15.1% to eligible record companies.

    Maybe my Canadian friends can elaborate as to how effective this scheme is.

  8. Private members' bill is going nowhere by fishwallop · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This proposed legislation is going nowhere in this form.

    The bill being put forward by a member of parliament from the NDP, who are at the opposite end of the political spectrum from the governing Conservative parties. It will not get enought support to make it past first reading - it would need the support of the largest opposition party, the Liberals, and they're likely to just ignore it, because politically, it looks like a tax. Also, because there's finances involved, passing the legislation might be considered a confidence vote which would bring down the government and trigger an election, and this just isn't an issue the Liberals want us going to the polls over. Canada once did have an "ipod tax" of the sort proposed. The "private copying" regime in Canada makes it legal (i.e. not a violation of copyright) to copy music (but not movies, or non-musical audio recordings) for private use onto an "audio recording media". The flip side of the legislation is that a levy (tax) is imposed on "audio recording media" to compensate recording artists for the copies of their music that are copied in this way. For example, there's a levy of about 30 cents per blank CD. However, because the law doesn't model technology very well, there is no levy on blank DVDs, and when they tried to impose a levy on MP3 players several years ago, the Court struck it down, concluding that an MP3 player is not "audio recording media". Hard drives, similarly, are not "audio recording media" because they can hold anything, not just audio. Like I said, the law doesn't model technology very well.

  9. Let's go all the way by Palestrina · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let's have a tax on crowbars, because some will use it to break into houses and not be caught. And a new tax on automobiles, because some will go through red lights and not be caught. And a new tax on shoes, because some people will jaywalk and not be caught. And a tax on thinking because some will commit thought crimes and not be caught.

  10. Fuck Off, Eh by whisper_jeff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously, it boggles the mind that the media corporations have managed to brainwash people sufficiently that they have politicians proposing a tax that enables them to be paid _FOR DOING NOTHING!_ Just because they exist, they expect to be paid. It's a degree of entitlement that my brain has troubles comprehending. I want to rant more but I'm just too flabbergasted to be able to put together a coherent sentence... I clearly went into the wrong industry - I actually have to work for my pay check. I should have gone into music distribution where I can get paid just for being there.

    Seriously, the media companies (music, first and foremost among them since the RIAA and CRIA are the most antagonistic of them) need to fuck off. Eh.

  11. Re:Useful by Yvan256 · · Score: 5, Informative
  12. Re:Useful by NotBornYesterday · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yvan already debunked this. The recording companies aren't paying artists properly already. This tax will be another form of corporate welfare, pouring money into the pockets of the real music pirates ... Sony, BMG, etc.

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  13. Re:Useful by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think it should all go to me. So far, I have received no money at all from my music, which must be due to piracy[1]. Therefore, my sense of entitlement tells me that society owes me approximately $2m (Canadian).

    [1] The fact that I have not produced any music does not detract from this argument in any way.

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  14. Try, try again by debrain · · Score: 3, Informative

    I participated in the effort to defeat this same proposal in 2002-2004. However these guys never quit. The good news is that they aren't particularly inspired – or inspiring.

    It's noteworthy that I found out about the last go-around of this effort by the Canadian Private Copying Collective on Slashdot.

  15. Non-Canadians; UPC by tepples · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So long as you are a member of SOCAN and have music tracked by SoundScan, you're eligible for the levies

    So if you happen not to be Canadian yet are the author of music that has been copied in Canada, how do you get into SOCAN? And it appears you need a UPC to get into SoundScan, and to get a UPC, you need at least some sort of label (even if not major). Besides, I didn't see anything on your flowchart about download sales (e.g. iTunes Store).

    1. Re:Non-Canadians; UPC by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 4, Informative

      So if you happen not to be Canadian yet are the author of music that has been copied in Canada, how do you get into SOCAN?

      You move to Canada.

      We don't do it to be righteous or to be nice. It helps foster the Canadian music industry.

      Keep the money in the Country.

  16. Re:Useful by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's not the RIAA up here. It's the CCRA, IIRC.

    There are three factors that prevent RIAA-style tactics in Canada.

    First, it is not illegal to download music. It is, however, illegal to upload. So in a very real way, P2P clients are illegal here. I get around this by setting my ratio to cap at 1. It's a bit jerky to the other people after me, but it's how I interpret it. (IANAL) My ISP suggests setting the upload ratio to the lowest possible setting, and lists steps for how to do so in various clients.

    The other factor is that we have a loser-pay court system. If the Canadian Copyright folks want to sue me, they would have to pay my court costs when they lose. If they drop a case, they would be out all of my out-of-pocket expenses. Since I've already paid a levy for copyrighted materials, I (or more accurately, my lawyer) would argue that I've paid for the material that is being copied. Poor logistics on the part of the store, government, and rights holders are not my problem.

    Finally, this levy is brilliant. It bypasses the conservative's attempt to make copyright violations illegal. (We've talked about Bills C-60 and C-61 before.) By adding the fee, you give the okay to piracy by charging what is, in essence, a pirate licence. (I would happily pay a few bucks extra a month to get a pirate's licence, by the way.)

    Notwithstanding all the hoopla about music, which is ubiquitous, there are real dangers in copyright violations. However, those revolve around industry. If you're doing this for personal use, it should not be illegal. Once you try to sell the stuff or engage in fraud, then it's time for the law to step in.

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  17. Re:Where's the "-1 Misinformed, eh" mod. by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you're quoting the Copyright Act, you should at least quote the relevant sections of it:

    Copying for Private Use

    Where no infringement of copyright
    80. (1) Subject to subsection (2), the act of reproducing all or any substantial part of
    (a) a musical work embodied in a sound recording,
    (b) a performer’s performance of a musical work embodied in a sound recording, or
    (c) a sound recording in which a musical work, or a performer’s performance of a musical work, is embodied
    onto an audio recording medium for the private use of the person who makes the copy does not constitute an infringement of the copyright in the musical work, the performer’s performance or the sound recording.

    Limitation

    (2) Subsection (1) does not apply if the act described in that subsection is done for the purpose of doing any of the following in relation to any of the things referred to in paragraphs (1)(a) to (c):
    (a) selling or renting out, or by way of trade exposing or offering for sale or rental;
    (b) distributing, whether or not for the purpose of trade;
    (c) communicating to the public by telecommunication; or
    (d) performing, or causing to be performed, in public.

    1997, c. 24, s. 50.

    Right of Remuneration

    Right of remuneration
    81. (1) Subject to and in accordance with this Part, eligible authors, eligible performers and eligible makers have a right to receive remuneration from manufacturers and importers of blank audio recording media in respect of the reproduction for private use of
    (a) a musical work embodied in a sound recording;
    (b) a performer’s performance of a musical work embodied in a sound recording; or
    (c) a sound recording in which a musical work, or a performer’s performance of a musical work, is embodied.

    Other sections in there establish procedure for collecting the levy and distributing it to copyright holders.