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$99 Moby Tablet As Textbook Alternative

Taco Cowboy writes "Marvell's Moby tablet will be an always-on, high performance multimedia tablet capable of full Flash support and 1080p HD playback and supporting WiFi, Bluetooth, FM radio, GPS and both Android and Windows Mobile platforms for maximum flexibility. It could eliminate the need for students to buy and carry bound textbooks and an array of other tools. The tablet is expected to hold a full year's worth of books but weigh less than half of one typical textbook." The tablet is a bit vaporous at this point, but if the final device comes anywhere near these specs and price point, it could be attractive.

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  1. Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about just letting me load the textbooks onto the laptop I already carry around?

    1. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Technology x is old and busted. Technology y is new and exciting. Never mind that technology x can do everything technology y can do. Marketing can't sell technology x anymore, so we'll only support technology y.

    2. Re:Or... by jim_v2000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not a matter of having a program that can read ebooks. PDF's work find for that. It's a matter of the textbook publishers A) not releasing digital versions of their books, B) charging ridiculously stupid prices for the books that are digital, and C) usually time limiting the PDF's to 3-6 months.

      The time limit thing is what makes the prices ridiculous. $60 for an ebook that lasts 3 months? For that price I should be getting it forever. If you want to limit it to 3 months, try $10-15.

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    3. Re:Or... by WaywardGeek · · Score: 5, Informative

      Wow... a slashdot geek should really read about technology y before commenting, but hey, few of us RTFA, right? Check out the Pixel Qi display. Also check out the Nvidia Tegra processor. This is the year of the tablet/slate, or whatever you want to call them. They're a new class of $100 - $200 ebook readers that blow away anything we've seen to date, assuming you like to read. They are easier on the eyes than Kindles, yet able to run real OSes, even Ubuntu UNR. With their ARM processors, and awesome integrated graphics, they use a small fraction of the power of any Intel based system, and at a fraction of the cost. The killer application will be e-book readers, in a "convergence" device that also let's us watch color youtube videos, run Firefox, write e-mails, and all of that on a nice 10" multi-touch display that blows doors on any phone or e-ink display. We'll buy them because they're cheaper and better than a Kindle for reading e-books, yet nearly as useful as a netbook for getting work done. Many of these devices will ship with detachable keyboards, making them true netbooks when used that way. Battery life in e-book mode will be in days, not hours.

      So, feel free to enjoy your technology x. I'm really looking forward to y.

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    4. Re:Or... by dunng808 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As I read through the comments I see a lot of interest and debate about hardware -- screen readability, battery life, size and weight -- and to a lessor extent e-book file formats and publishing. These are important, and they miss essential points.

      1. An e-book reader treats the student as a passive consumer. This is a model we have become all too familiar with, conditioned by being raised on a diet of printed books, movies and television. It fails because so much more is possible. A computer offers the opportunity for interactive learning, starting with social media and going straight into software development. Slashdot readers should known this. A key component is an on-going relationship with teachers, with interaction taking place entirely on-line, or as an enhancement to "brick and mortar" classroom activity.

      2. The information contained in textbooks does not need to be published for profit. It is time for the textbook industry to follow the telegraph industry into the halls of our museums. Better still, to be reduced to a Wikipedia page. MIT has shown the way with their OpenCourseWare. Slashdot readers appreciate the value of free software. It should be obvious the same thing applies to textbooks.

      3. It is not enough to fill a classroom with iMacs, or to offer an e-book reader in place of printed textbooks. What is needed is a larger infrastructure, something like a physical school and something akin to the Internet, the place where education takes place.

      If you are interested in contributing to the development of such a place, come and join the Open Slate Project.

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  2. Is there even a prototype? by bheer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The CrunchPad was supposed to be a dead-simple, cheap $200 tablet. Closer to production, it looks like it'll cost more like $500. A $99 device would be nice, but I'll believe it when I see it. A decent screen + NAND memory + battery alone will add to the cost.

    1. Re:Is there even a prototype? by MoonBuggy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Agreed. It does look nice, but the best TFA could muster is a prototype device that may or may not even be this machine. Still might be worth it at a couple of hundred, though - I'll have to wait and see.

      I do think the textbook focus in the press release seems odd, too. We passed the point where a laptop became lighter than a textbook back with the first round of netbooks. Textbooks, of all things, are fine for reading on a normal screen. You generally need them for quick reference when you're at a desk - the traditional e-reader advantages fall here. If anything I'd have though they'd be pushing these things as web pads/multimedia devices.

  3. Is anyone else getting tired of reading about... by bornagainpenguin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...all this great looking (and supposedly wonderfully performing) ARM powered vaporware products that either never shows up outside China or retail for ridiculously high prices and so locked in with WinCE nobody wants it?

    Either put up or shut up already! Personally I'd rather they put up than shut up, but either way enough already!

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  4. Marvel? by camperdave · · Score: 4, Funny

    So, is DC coming out with one as well? A Dark Knight themed tablet would be cool.

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  5. Good deal! by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 4, Funny

    Launch package deal comes bundled with Duke Nukem Forever and Optimus Maximus keyboard support.

  6. PR releases for non-existent products != news by sixteenvolt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Another kdawson special. The product does not exist. It cannot be purchased. If every claim about what somebody INTENDS to do is news...

    1. Re:PR releases for non-existent products != news by MollyB · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm not a regular commenter

      Do you mean you don't have an account and always post AC? Out of luck if so, but if you log in, go to Help/Preferences, choose Authors from the menu and uncheck any editor whose articles you no longer want to see.

      I'm definitely not new here, and it amuses me that so many people get worked up over the editor's handiwork. I read the articles for the comments. Many thoughtful conversations emerge from seemingly trivial subjects, so maybe just try to enjoy the stream of prose that sometimes informs, entertains, reeks, or makes you laugh? Or go on to the next item. Spring is here, maybe take a walk in the sunshine. :^)

  7. Wrong problem by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't mind lugging them around. What I mind is paying out ridiculous amounts for a rehash of last year's now worthless book. They sell ebook versions of textbooks; I don't see how this will hamper that (besides eliminating resale markets). What we need is some serious, high quality, free, open source type textbooks. I wouldn't mind paying to have them stamped on dead tree, I like dead tree, it's the BS mark-up that's the problem. This is cool and all, but it would mean a lot more if they could get something good and free/reasonably priced to put in it.

  8. Attractive, 'cept the tightest DRM lockdown EVAR by MoralHazard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously, you thought the RIAA and MPAA were bad? Hoo boy, you're in for a surprise when you meet the textbook publishers. They aren't even human, they're like... Mind Flayers, or something. Pure evil, and smarter than you think.

    Textbook pubs will never permit mass electronic distribution unless they have mandatory DRM backed by scary laws that the state aggressively enforces. When Congress passes laws authorizing copyright holders and their agents/officials to summarily arrest and imprison suspected copyright violators, without trial or notice, THEN the textbook publishers will decide that they feel confident moving into electronic distribution.

    But one of these days, somebody will start selling cheap, easy-to-make/use automated book scanners (with page turning capabilities). Or maybe they'll put up an Instructable. That'll be the harpoon in the side, for the textbook industry.

  9. Re:epaper table by aristotle-dude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would rather use E-Paper, tables are good and all but they are hard on the eyes after a while. http://novelwhore.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/e-paper.jpg

    Poor lighting causes eye strain. The reason why people don't get eye strain from e-paper as much is because is "requires" ambient light in order for you to see the screen. Don't use the blacklit display as a replacement for sufficient lighting and your eyes will be fine.

    Stop buying into the hype. Do people work in offices on e-paper displays all day? No. Eye strain does not occur if you take frequent breaks and work in a well lit environment.

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  10. You're not the only one! by langelgjm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Me too! I had been keeping an eye out for ARM based "smartbooks" etc. for several months. Lots of reference designs, lots of demos at CES. No one ever brought anything decent to retail stores. I heard HP was releasing something in Spain. Lenovo is supposed to be releasing something in the US later this year.

    I wanted something around a $200 price with decent battery life, capable of running Linux. I wanted ARM, too, because I didn't want to buy a machine that came with Windows only to wipe it. After months of waiting, I gave up.

    A few weeks ago I purchased a used Acer Aspire One, along with a high capacity battery. Total price, including shipping and taxes for all items, was less than $200. The machine had originally come with Windows, but was sold without any OS installed. I put Ubuntu Netbook Remix on it, and I'm quite happy with it.

    I'm now out of the market for one of these many rumored ARM-based devices... no one has any decent offerings (and no, the Touchbook is not what I would consider a decent, consumer-oriented offering, and they're not even in stock AFAICT), so I gave up. Also, $99 for this Moby Tablet? Yeah, right. Maybe the bill of materials is $99, but I doubt even that. This thing stinks badly of being vaporware.

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  11. will still need to buy by bcrowell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It could eliminate the need for students to buy and carry bound textbooks and an array of other tools.

    Huh? "Carry" is one thing, "buy" is another. It's true that free textbooks exist (see my sig), but they are not yet all that popular in K-12 or colleges. California has a Free Digital Textbook Initiative for high schools, but it has not yet reshaped the landscape; the traditional commercial publishers are essentially sitting it out.

    So I don't see why a cheap tablet would eliminate the need for students to buy textbooks. Publishers are already offering DRM'd electronic textbooks, at about the same price as print textbooks. K-12 schools that are using non-free books will still need to buy books for their kids. College students will still need to buy books.

    Actually, the traditional publishers love DRM'd e-books, because it's a way for them to kill off the used book market. They can use the DRM to prevent you from selling your copy if you don't want it when you're done with the class.

    The books I use in my physics courses at a community college are all free online as DRM-free PDFs. Even so, the vast majority of my students end up buying a printed copy. (I don't receive any royalty from the printed books. They're priced pretty cheap, about the same as photocopying.) Maybe some of them are not going digital because they can't afford a laptop, but I suspect that in most cases, they actually perceive a printed book as more convenient than an electronic one. Reading a book off the screen of a laptop is a pain in the ass. It's much nicer and easier to be able to see two full pages at once, in a large format, and to be able to riffle through pages.

  12. Re:A whole year? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Little more for textbooks. Figures take up space. The programming texts I have in PDF form usually weigh in close to 10 MB. A decent anatomy and physiology text is closer to 100 MB.

    Multiply by eight to twelve courses a year and you're still not talking about much space by today's standards, but you're into not-a-ridiculous-estimate territory, particularly for a $99 device.

  13. Re:Attractive, 'cept the tightest DRM lockdown EVA by twidarkling · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nice buzzword usage, but see, I actually WORK at a University Press, and we make textbooks. And we're doing pdfs for the majority of our ebooks.

    The *real* reason that textbook publishers don't make more ebooks is much less sinister:

    There's no universal standard for ebooks. It costs money to get something converted to a format and checked for errors, and you don't want to fragment your efforts too much, so out of the several dozen implementations of ebook formats, you pick one or two, then you pick which version of THAT you want to support, and you try and learn about them. And since it takes two years or more just to make a textbook, by the time you've got a format learned sufficiently to get it in to your workflow, you've still got a two year lag before books start showing up in that format.

    But oh hey! In the meantime, the standard shifted. So you're back to trying to learn the standard and get that merged in to your workflow. You think the RIAA and MPAA handled the change in the technology of their field badly? Books have been printed basically the same for centuries, not decades. Since the printing press, there's not been many advances that effect publishing. The offset printing press, and use of computers to do layout and editing. No, seriously, that's about it. Books are long enough that few people wanted to have to sit and stare at a screen for hours on end, so they never had to worry about digital distribution until laptops became common, and even then, people still didn't want to read things hundreds of pages long on a screen. It's only been in about the last 10 years or so that it's even been mentioned, and it wasn't anything close to a viable idea until the kindle came out in 2007. And remember what I said about textbooks taking at least 2 years to get through the publishing process?

    No, you'll start seeing textbooks for e-readers when the formats are more stable. Until then, you'll get most publishers playing it safe and not wasting their cash on converting.

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  14. Re:Battery by mister_playboy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Agreed. At uni the social outcasts have bags they drag about on rollers... :)

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  15. I used Pixel Qi by Charbax · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's as good as e-ink for reading. Check my video: http://armdevices.net/2010/01/08/charbax-tests-pixel-qi-at-ces-2010/ I tested it only for a few minutes though, I didn't actually read much on it, just had time to check it out outdoors and indoors at Computex 2009 and at CES 2010 as I was filming those Pixel Qi videos. It's very very readable and the whole 10" screen currently uses less than 500 milliwatts which means potentially reaching 50 hours battery runtime using an ARM processor to turn e-book pages on a 3-cell netbook-sized battery.

  16. Re:Is anyone else getting tired of reading about.. by WaywardGeek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You make a decent point. The Nvidia Tegra processor, QualCom Snapdragon, and TI something-or-other, are all fine ARM processors for multi-touch slates, yet no respectable manufacturer (I'm not including Apple as "respectable"), has even announced a device based on this.

    My brother-in-law works at Dell, and while he may take issue with how I paraphrase him, what I heard was "Dell doesn't innovate. Instead, we wait for others to prove the market first, and then crush them with our manufacturing capabilities." The big players, like Dell and HP, are waiting for the equivalent of the Asus EEE PC in the ARM based tablet/slate space. Once an off-brand has dominated the market, they'll follow like lemmings. In the meantime, early adopters will need to buy products like "Notion Ink Atom" from some random group of entrepreneurial Indians, or this Marvell thingy. Honestly, I think the big players look to Apple for innovation. MacBook Air? How about a nice Dell netbook for 1/4 the price? iPad? How about a Dell slate for $150? At least we have that great A-hole Steve Jobs to help our corporations find their way...

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