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5 Reasons Tablets Suck, and You Won't Buy One

Crazzaper writes "When the iPad was announced, a lot of people who didn't care about tablets came out to bash Apple's new device. These same people said 'I would have bought it if it had a full OS,' but in reality full OS tablets existed before the iPad rumors even started. This article gives an interesting perspective on why this happened, and argues that there's five big reasons why more powerful tablets exists but no one cares."

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  1. Battery life by symbolset · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The thing is, it's not about the widget. It's about the opportunities it enables, the possibilities it creates. A tablet that plays 10 hours of hi-def video and audio on one battery charge definitely has its niche. One that does so on a screen that you can actually use with Citrix or RDP over wireless or cellular wireless? Another niche. Ebooks too? You can use it to carry your reference materials? And you can keep up with your social media at the same time? What about navi? Will it find me the closest theatre that's playing the movie I want to see, even if I'm in a strange town, give me showtimes and navigate me to it?

    Yeah, a full OS on a tablet platform isn't going to fly - until the tablet is powerful enough and the OS light enough to do enough niche things that it has broad utility. That would be right about... now.

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    1. Re:Battery life by symbolset · · Score: 4, Informative

      That would require quite a breakthrough, either in battery or processor tech.

      Apparently we have that. The new ARM processors when put with the new hardware decoders are capable of this, as we'll see. Apparently Apple was waiting for just this breakthrough to enable this platform and as soon as it was able, made it.

      The HP one will run Vista apparently on Intel Atom. I don't have high hopes they'll deliver as much battery life, though the platform will be very interesting. I would still rather have an Android slate with Snapdragon, and probably put a real Linux on it. I hear there are at least 150 models of that coming our way here soon.

      When it's time, it's time. It seems now it's time for this.

      Let's just try to remember that all of these things aren't about the widget - they're about the needs and desires of people, and what they can do with it. That, to me, is what's so frustrating about the Apple tablet. They're putting their business needs in the way of people's full exploitation of the device's potential, or allowing their cellular partners to do so. We'll have none of that nonsense on the Android version, or on the HP slate once Windows is wiped off and replaced with a decent OS.

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    2. Re:Battery life by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's about the opportunities it enables

      It's also about the price.

      Apple has the right idea, having a tablet start at $500. Other companies should be able to make something similar for $350.

      But really, when a company puts out a netbook in the form of a tablet, prices it like a netbook, then you'll see a lot of us come off the sidelines and buy. It's not that we have anything against tablets, it's just that it's not really worth an additional $500 for the privilege of not having a physical keyboard. Few people would use a tablet as their main system. But a lot of people would like to have one in addition to their main system. For that, the price point needs to be well under $500, and it needs to have a real OS, and no tie-ins to a single source for applications.

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    3. Re:Battery life by migla · · Score: 4, Informative

      But really, when a company puts out a netbook in the form of a tablet, prices it like a netbook, then you'll see a lot of us come off the sidelines and buy.

      I don't know about the polish of the OS, but it's GNU/Linux, so the sky is the limit: http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/

      You can buy it without the keyboard.

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    4. Re:Battery life by OeLeWaPpErKe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course the straight answer, that close to the only reason a product becomes successfull through popularity, is not admitted by many people.

      It hits too close to home. Humans are pack animals. People first and foremost imitate one another. John Q. Public buys a product because he's seen John P. Public already has one. So a critical mass of a product in the view of people is what makes people successfull. The amount of buzz a product generates, the visibility it has (positive or negative, e.g. even things like terrorism are partly caused by the attention these mass murdering muslims get), is the first and foremost cause of it's success, not the reverse way around.

      Apple products are not popular due to any amount of technical merit, despite what fanboys claim. Apple products are popular due to the visibility they have, first on tv, then in what you might call "executive" circles, then everyone.

      There is a bit of a qualification to this : of course it helps that a product is useable enough that users don't throw it away out of utter disgust after using it for 2 minutes.

    5. Re:Battery life by symbolset · · Score: 2, Interesting

      link. 10 hours battery life playing video, reading books or browsing the Internet on WiFi.

      I like Apple, but I don't think you could consider me a fanboy. I don't do iTunes, own any of their products for myself personally, or really expect to buy any. I like what the stock is doing over the last decade relative to, well, everybody, but I don't hold any. Like I said, I'd prefer an Android slate and would probably wipe and install real Linux on it. If I can't get that, I'll probably muddle along with a Tux'd HP slate before I'd buy an Apple product of any kind. I am however a geek, and I know good tech when I see it.

      Specifically to the point, I follow the trends and I can see us turning the corner on power and utility to the human vs ever increasing clock speeds and cores. ARM derived processors since only just recently have the power to deliver a good and lasting experience in the 12" display form factor on battery. It takes time to design this stuff, and more time to build the business relationships. It can't be an accident that Apple bought an ARM shop when they did and so has this in-house Apple A4 ARM-Cortex processor tech to put in their iPad.

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    6. Re:Battery life by node+3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, a full OS on a tablet platform isn't going to fly - until the tablet is powerful enough and the OS light enough to do enough niche things that it has broad utility. That would be right about... now.

      No, it's never going to fly, if you mean running a desktop OS mostly unaltered, on a tablet. Windows, Mac OS X and Linux. None of these are well suited for even stylus based interaction, let alone multitouch. Things like window titlebars, close and minimize buttons, menus. None of these are very usable in multitouch.

      Apple's take on Mac OS X as the iPhone OS is the right direction. Similar is Google's take on Linux as Android. But the idea of running Windows, Mac OS X, or Linux on a tablet is doomed, no matter what the technology is that goes into the battery, processor and display.

      It's the interface, stupid.

    7. Re:Battery life by uniquename72 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Apple has by far the least realistic laptop battery estimates and their mobile ones are very inaccurate . The Apple fanboism never ceases.

      (See? My post contributed just as much to the conversation as yours: nothing.)

    8. Re:Battery life by mikael_j · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's also about the price.

      Indeed, or to be more specific it's what you get for your money, the big problem I've had in the past when I've shopped around for a good tablet has been that I've wanted a few things:

      1. Wacom "Penabled"
      2. Good monitor.
      3. Decent price

      Last time I looked around most manufacturers seemed to almost make it a point not to mention anything other than "it has a stylus" (are you sure? wow! I thought I would have to operate it by throwing rocks at it!) and the monitor's quality is at best an afterthought. The exception to this was the "executive" tablet market, the ones marketed and CxOs and PHBs who think it makes perfect sense to blow $4k on a top of the line laptop that can also be used as a tablet when showing powerpoint slides, but since all I wanted was a combined "sofa surf tablet" and an electronic sketchbook (to cut out the scanner as the middleman as well as allowing me to have a much more comfortable workflow compared to sketching with a pencil (just undo and an eraser that doesn't slowly destroy the "paper" are enough for me to want this)) these are way too much.

      I had high hopes for the iPad but without a proper stylus it's useless to me (no, "fingerpainting" with one of those "iPhone stylus" sticks isn't anywhere near good enough unless they've somehow managed to build one that equips the touchscreen with 500+ level pressure sensitivity and sub-pixel precision (no, they don't have this)).

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    9. Re:Battery life by geminidomino · · Score: 2, Funny

      Your assessment is flawed, troll.

      Your troll is flawed, assessment.

    10. Re:Battery life by dangitman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But really, when a company puts out a netbook in the form of a tablet, prices it like a netbook

      But if it's in the form of a tablet, then how is it a netbook any longer? It seems to me that the *book designation (see: Powerbook, Notebook) derives from devices that have a folding screen/keyboard form factor. If it is a tablet that doesn't fold, then it's not a netbook anymore, is it?

      Also, what does "pricing it like a netbook" mean? There are netbooks out there that cost more than tablets.

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    11. Re:Battery life by Svartalf · · Score: 2, Informative

      That would require quite a breakthrough, either in battery or processor tech.

      It's already here.

      I've seen it go 10 hours running an emulator (which is actually more stressful than the DSP's efforts to do HD video would be...) and this was with a single 13.5 watt-hour battery attached to the device.

      In the end, any Cortex-A8 or Sheeva based SoC with a DSP chip will do this out of box because of the power/performance profile they have.

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    12. Re:Battery life by daver00 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Windows, Mac OS X and Linux. None of these are well suited for even stylus based interaction, let alone multitouch.

      I disagree, strongly. Windows Vista has numerous enhancements for stylus input, 7 has even more and they both work well for certain tasks on a stylus machine. I have a convertible hp tablet pc, it has been my primary machine for university for two years now, and for mathematics/engineering, could not be better. The stylus is a marked improvement over the stupid trackpad, vastly more accurate and faster, I pull out the stylus frequently in favour of the trackpad. I could not however, imagine using full blown windows without the keyboard.

      I agree that touch is another story, but the stylus on a small laptop screen is faster/more accurate than the trackpad, and even arguably better than a mouse. The only problem I have is that as a lefty, I can't change the whole OS to display scroll bars on the left hand side of the screen, but at least onenote can do this, and thats my primary pen app anyway.

      IT guys tend not to 'get it' when it comes to tablets, you need to have a real need for handwriting before it makes sense. For me I have that need, and I carry around with me the equivalent of a whole bookcase worth of my notes which I can flick through at my leisure when they are needed. To me a tablet sans stylus makes absolutely no sense, and I'll take my eeepc (5 hrs battery life) over this kind of device anyday.

    13. Re:Battery life by feepness · · Score: 2, Funny

      There's therapy available for such issues...

      Really? Have you used it? Do a lot of other people?

    14. Re:Battery life by node+3 · · Score: 2, Informative

      IT guys tend not to 'get it' when it comes to tablets, you need to have a real need for handwriting before it makes sense.

      There are only two cases where stylus-based input works on tablet PCs. One is handwriting input. The other is drawing/painting. That doesn't correct the fact that Windows itself is not well suited for stylus based input, regardless of the enhancements provided by Windows 7.

      Stylus on Windows (and Mac OS X and Linux) is an auxiliary, not a primary input. Using it as such is a kludge that degrades the overall user experience, and is only done because switching between tablet mode and notebook mode is too cumbersome a thing to do in order to switch between interacting with the WIMPs interface and going into note-taking mode.

      To me a tablet sans stylus makes absolutely no sense, and I'll take my eeepc (5 hrs battery life) over this kind of device anyday.

      Yeah, that's *so* much better than then iPad's 10 hour battery life...

      I do agree with you that note-taking is a viable task that hasn't really been tackled the way the standard WIMPs model has, and the current multitouch model has. There's no single device, other than a pad of paper and a pen or pencil, that is as well suited for writing as the WIMPs interface is for a mouse and multitouch is for the fingers.

      But please don't try to pretend that stylus input on Windows is natural and fully replaces the mouse. It's almost as much of an unsolved problem as having multitouch on a standard PC is. The problem with multitouch on a PC is the OS (take your pick) isn't suited, and the form factor isn't suited for holding your hands out up to a desktop display to interact with it (researchers knew this 50 years ago). The tablet at least has the right form factor (well, those tablets without a keyboard and mouse/trackpad anyway). But the OS support isn't there. All you're doing is using a pen as though it were a mouse. That's *why* those tablets all have keyboards and trackpads, and it's also why they don't sell well. They do one thing most every does pretty damned good (take notes) and do everything else quite poorly.

    15. Re:Battery life by node+3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, the N95 is so amazing that it's selling like hotcakes... /sarcasm

      The things you state that make the iPad a non-starter are clearly things that most people don't value as much as you do. Plus, you've got a few facts wrong.

      1. The iPad has an SD card adapter. The dock connector is the I/O connector, and the SD card adapter users that, as it should
      2. The iPad (and iPhone) has GPS. A-GPS is GPS. Saying it's not is silly. But it allowed you to get this next one wrong:
      3. The iPad can be used as a map. There's even a damned app built into it to do just that.
      4. You can type on it. Did you not see the onscreen keyboard?
      5. The only part of the Internet that is fundamentally tied to the mouse is Flash, and we all know how that story is going.
      6. As for games, this is nonsensical. You can't play games there weren't designed for specific form factors on those form factors. It's like saying the problem with shoes vs hats is that shoes can only go on your feet.

      But, and I mean this sincerely, stick with your N95, if it does the things you want from it. And if the iPad doesn't do what you want, don't buy it. But as an interface (and this was entirely my point), Windows, Mac OS X and Linux are all *piss poor* for use on a tablet type device. The hardware isn't the problem, it doesn't matter if you have an SD card slot, full stand-alone GPS, a 10 MP full motion camera, 500 hour battery life and a GeForce 9800, if the OS isn't designed to be used as a tablet, it's not going to be generally appealing.

      It's easy to blame popularity of the iPhone on people ignorantly flocking to Apple logos, but that's just an excuse for other companies being unable or unwilling to develop an OS as great as the iPhone OS.

      Which brings me back to my original point:

      It's the interface, stupid.

    16. Re:Battery life by gig · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > Apple products are not popular due to any amount of technical merit, despite what fanboys claim. Apple products
      > are popular due to the visibility they have, first on tv, then in what you might call "executive" circles, then everyone.

      No, that is bullshit. What you're saying is that Apple products are the same as their competitors, but they're popular just because they're fashionable. It's bullshit. Their products are not fashionable, they are DESIRABLE. And their products are not the same as their competitors at all. Not in the slightest. In the first place, they actually work. Not kind of work, not might work soon, not work if you have a CS degree, not work if you plug them into 3 other products, but actually practically work, right out of the box. There aren't any other choices in tech that have these features. You don't need to go looking for some airy reason like they're fashionable. In fact, people who don't have any Apple products often don't want one because they think they are a fad, they think their stuff is the same but just fashionable. Then they try an iPhone or Mac and they want one anyway. They buy one in spite of it being popular. Because it works. Because there is free support at the stores. Because you can try before you buy. Because they have so much software on them right out of the box. Because they back themselves up automatically so you don't lose stuff. For thousands and thousands of unique reasons.

      So to dismiss Apple products as merely fashionable ignores the hundreds and hundreds of things Apple has done to make their products desirable. Things that nobody else is doing. Unique things that their customers fucking love.

      Just go to an Apple Store and eavesdrop at the Genius Bar and you'll get the picture. When I was there last time, the person to the right of me was having trouble with her Mac because she had dismissed every single software update it offered her for 2 years and now some 3rd party software she downloaded wouldn't run. She was afraid to approve the updates because "that was what killed the Windows machine I had before this." They basically held her hand as she updated her software and then everything was fine. The guy on the left of me had a piece of plastic fall out of his MacBook, and they helped him figure out it had fallen off his knapsack, and then into and back out of the MacBook optical drive, the machine itself was fine. Nobody else is offering that. It's a much, much more plausible reason for the popularity of Apple products than "they're fashionable."

      > There is a bit of a qualification to this : of course it helps that a product is useable

      That is EVERYTHING. Usability is EVERYTHING. The products work. The tech specs don't matter. The shiny doesn't matter. Usability is EVERYTHING. And Apple's products are exponentially more usable than other products. Apple is pretty much the only tech company with product designers instead of product managers. They start with the usability and that is why it is there in the end.

      I mean, "of course it helps that their cars start."

      If you are a "gadget hound" it may be enough that a device has blinkenlights. Most people are not gadget hounds, especially not the people who are buying Apple products. The products have to work. The Mac absolutely has to make you more productive than Windows. The iPhone absolutely has to expose all of its features to every user, not just the ones with CS degrees. There can be NO MALWARE. Users do not know what that is.

      It is actually sad to hear you trot out this old fashionable canard. You have to look deeper than that. Apple's products may be the shiniest and the most visually appealing, but that is not all there is too them. You're essentially saying because they're good looking they must be stupid. But that is not the case here.

    17. Re:Battery life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nice rant but you're both right.
       
      What apple has done very well is three things: 1) build a closed ecosystem, ensuring lock-in 2) make sure their tech works and 3) make it look good.

      The ipod/iphone is most people's first foray into the apple world. They see it, it looks nice, it works and then they think "if my phone can be this neat, how about my laptop" and when they buy the second device, they're locked into the apple world. Apple also spends a very large amount of time and money making sure things work. 500m developing OSX. Very stringent quality controls on production (just do a job search for apple production jobs).
      Then they also have a very high standard for design. Most companies have their industrial designers a few steps under the operations guy. At apple Jonathan Ive is a star and reports directly to Jobs.

      I bought my first apple for both reasons. I'm techie enough to get my windows machine tweaked to perfection, but I was sick os spending the time necessary to do so. And I like the way my macbook matches my first ipod and my iphone. And I know plenty of people who are similar.

    18. Re:Battery life by djfake · · Score: 2, Insightful
      for the vast majority of people buying Apple products today, it is certainly not bullshit. If Apple products weren't so fashionable, they'd still be skirting the fringes with fifty year old academics, windows bashers and other types. Does the teenager buy a Macbook because it's Unix? doubtful. Does the teenager buy a Macbook because it's one sexy computer. Of course, to go online to facebook, play music and video AND impress everyone by doing it on a Mac.

      Don't take it personally if you like Apple products. There's a lot of reason to buy them. But in terms of their increased POPULARITY, I agree with the parent, it's all because of fashion.

      BTW, most every computer works... I'm actually typing this on a non-Mac right now and I don't have a CS degree.

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    19. Re:Battery life by drerwk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I bought my teen a Mac because it takes less of my time to admin, probably a good 12 hours a year less. I use a Mac at work because McAfee is mandated on the Windows machine; a 3 minute svn co on the Mac takes 50 minutes on the Windows machine.

    20. Re:Battery life by John+Betonschaar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You keep telling yourself that and not buy anything Apple builds, but please stop polluting the internet with *YOUR VIEW* on why Apple is or isn't popular. Myself, I've been using Windows and Linux for years, I built my own PC's, my own Linux distro's using LFS, my own media-player running Linux, my workstation at work runs Linux etc. At home, I switched to Apple for many reasons. First, because I wanted to have a Unix-environment and a good graphical UI *at the same time*. Second, because Apple hardware has many desirable attributes. You and the GP or whoever here trashes Apple that thinks he/she knows it all might call it 'fashionable', but I find a dead-silent all-in-one with everyting intergrated and only a single cable for the power to be *desirable*. Just like I find a full aluminium unibody design that doesn't creak, tear, or fall apart, and has a multitouch trackpad that makes me forget I ever needed a mouse *desirable*, not fashionable. I couldn't give a flying fsck about how 'fashionable' my computers are, I don't go running around the street showing everyont how fashionable I am, with my fancy computer. Only genuine nerds can think something retarted like wanting to be fashionable with a freaking computer, and genuine nerds are not the prime target audience for Apple anyway. Last but not least, I see 'value' and 'price' as 2 different things, and I seperate 'specifications' from 'performance'. I've sold every Apple system I've replaced with another one for 30% to 50% of what I paid for them in the first place, after years of (fully satisfactory) use. Compare that to the $2000 PC I once built and sold for $200 only 3 years later. Price != value, something that doesn't seem to get through with so many people.

      The whole 'Apple sells well only because they market them so well' is also bogus. Here in Europe, Apple literally has ZERO advertising. No posters, no TV ads, no official Apple store (only franchises), nothing. Still, more and more people I know of are switching to Apple and being extremely satisfied with it. Many do so because they got an iPhone and they love it so much they are tempted to buy more stuff from Apple. You can keep telling yourself it's all marketing, hype, fashion statement or whatever dumb excuse you can think of for not having to acknowledge that people actually like Apple products for what they are and how they work, but it doesn't make it true.

      It's frankly a bit sad if you think about it, if so many people buy, use and love some product, that some people still feel they know it all and should decide for others whether their purchase was worth the money. Just stfu and buy something else already.

    21. Re:Battery life by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My teenage cousins got MacBooks because they don't have to take them to a computer guy regularly for maintenance. Garage Band was important to them as well - one is studying music at university, one musical theatre, and another has a band.

  2. niches by TheSHAD0W · · Score: 2, Interesting

    More powerful = lower battery life. Yes, tablets are niche devices, but if you think about it there are a LOT of niches a tablet with some flexibility and a good amount of battery life can fill. Book reader, obviously. Notepad replacement, somewhat. Inventory control, yup. It's all been a matter of expense, durability, communications and operating life.

    1. Re:niches by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Jesse Schell, in his famous DICE talk, explained why the iPhone succeeded and the iPad will flop. Paraphrased:

      Convergence doesn't happen. Technologies diverge, for the most part. The PVR diverged from the desktop computer which diverged from the game console. The only reason why the iPhone, a case of convergence, was so successful was what he called the "pocket exception" - things that go in your pocket converge with each other.

      The Swiss Army knife is an example of convergence: it has scissors, tweezers, knives, files, screwdrivers, etc. It does nothing perfectly and everything adequately. The iPhone is like that. But if someone got you a "Swiss Army" kitchen utensil, with a spatula and a ladle and tongs and a couple knives in a single sheath, you would think it was the stupidest thing in the world. "And that's why everyone hates the iPad."

    2. Re:niches by LtGordon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also, the iPhone had a huge advantage simply in that most people already owned phones, and so the iPhone was really just a cool upgrade from what they had, and can cost as little as $99 upfront. For the iPad to succeed, Apple will have to convince people that now they need to go out and buy a tablet computer for ~$500. At best, I see them dominating the eBook-reader and netbook markets, which are in themselves relatively small. Sales will never be on the same order of magnitude as the iPhone.

    3. Re:niches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Convergence happens all the time. My home phone has an intercom and answering machine built in. By refrigerator has a built-in water dispenser. A typical TV is the convergence of a monitor, sound system, and receiver. Some even have built-in DVD players. How many all-in-one printer/scanner/fax/copier devices are on the market? I have a stereo with a CD turntable and tape deck built in (yes, I'm old but not old enough to have a record player on top of it). My desk has a filing cabinet built into it. How many microwave ovens have vents to help vent fumes from the range they are positioned above? In short, convergence happens when it makes sense.

    4. Re:niches by tronbradia · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The only reason why the iPhone, a case of convergence, was so successful was what he called the "pocket exception" - things that go in your pocket converge with each other..."And that's why everyone hates the iPad."

      Um, no.

      The personal computer is a stereo, a TV, a typewriter, a calculator, and serves infinite other random functions. But I mean, who would want one of those? Oh sorry I guess you keep yours in your pocket.

    5. Re:niches by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The Swiss Army knife is an example of convergence: it has scissors, tweezers, knives, files, screwdrivers, etc. It does nothing perfectly and everything adequately. The iPhone is like that. But if someone got you a "Swiss Army" kitchen utensil, with a spatula and a ladle and tongs and a couple knives in a single sheath, you would think it was the stupidest thing in the world. "And that's why everyone hates the iPad."

      The problem is, Mr. Schell is trying to apply rules but doesn't really understand them at the heart of the matter. It's not just things that fit in our pockets that we want to converge, but items we carry in our daily lives, when we have limited space. Cars and stereo systems don't fit in our pockets, but for some reason cars all have built in stereos. We could all just bring boom boxes with us in the car, but we don't because the benefit of having the stereo there all the time outweighs the duplication and the fact that car stereos are usually not as high of quality due to space and cost concerns.

      Ask college students if they want all their textbooks to converge into a single device, if it can be done so without increasing cost or removing important features. Items like backpacks, luggage, sunglasses, clothing, personal transport, etc. are instances where convergence is desired by the general public. When was the last time you saw a student carrying a laptop case and a separate bag for their books? Those have pretty much converged at this point... but contrary to Mr. Schell's assertion you can't fit either in your pocket.

      Now I don't plan on buying an iPad anytime soon, nor would I venture to guess how successful of a product it is going to be without trying one out. But this sort of overgeneralization as a method of prediction is weak tea.

    6. Re:niches by Cyberax · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yet most people do not use PC to watch TV. And most people nowdays will just buy a console rather than build a gaming PC.

      That's what grandparent was talking about.

    7. Re:niches by twidarkling · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Those have pretty much converged at this point... but contrary to Mr. Schell's assertion you can't fit either in your pocket.

      *parry*
      No, but they are in and of themselves oversized pockets, or in other words, a space where weight and size are more important than pure functionality. If I'm carrying a netbook around already, or a small notebook/laptop, then the iPad needs to be either lighter, smaller, or much more useful than the netbook in order to be worth the space.

      *riposte*
      If my phone has most or all of the same functionality as the iPad, just scaled down, and my netbook covers much of the rest, scaled up, then the iPad is not a device to fit in the "pocket convergence" area. Thus, the generalization does hold.

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    8. Re:niches by Fjandr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Given a comparison between it and discrete component for any one of those uses and it doesn't measure up. In the beginning, it was divergent in that it was designed to do complex calculations that were difficult (and now some that would be impossible for all practical purposes) to perform using current tools. Further development was driven by the leveraged power of persistent two-way network connections, something also divergent from existing technologies. The convergence of a PC has been a result of that leveraged power coupled with the ability to do many things easily, though not nearly so well as using devices dedicated to a specific task.

      Also, the statement was that technologies diverge for the most part. Yes, there are examples that run counter to the vast majority of things, even if this one isn't really one of those examples.

    9. Re:niches by beelsebob · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This comment almost gets to the heart of the matter. You're absolutely right, iPad sales will probably be dwarfed iPhone sales, as Mac sales are dwarfed by iPhone sales and iPhone sales are dwarfed by iPod sales. The bottom line though is that Macs, despite selling *far* fewer than iPhones and iPods still make up a third of apple's profits.

      Apple isn't going for a device that sells millions and millions and millions, they're going for a device that sells perhaps a million or ten, and has really high margins, and hence makes up a bunch of profit for the company.

    10. Re:niches by beelsebob · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, but look at consoles... What could a typical console from 1990 do? It could play games. What can an XBox or a PS3 do? It can play games, browse the net, play movies from disks, act as a storage server for your games and movies, play TV over the internet... In fact, one could call a typical games console these days the convergence of a old-word console, a DVD player, a TV receiver, a simple computer for browsing amongst probably many other functions that I don't use daily.

      You're right, most people *don't* use their PC for watching TV, but I would bet that in 10 years time most people *will* use their PC to watch TV. That's because that particular convergence is still in the process of happening.

      The bottom line is that devices both converge and diverge, to suggest that one dominates the other is idiotic, what's ultimately happening is that devices are *evolving* to provide more functionality in less complexity and more usability.

      The iPad will succeed because it does this – it makes a substantial group of tasks possible, and another group significantly easier than previous devices made them.

    11. Re:niches by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Those have pretty much converged at this point... but contrary to Mr. Schell's assertion you can't fit either in your pocket.

      *parry* No, but they are in and of themselves oversized pockets, or in other words, a space where weight and size are more important than pure functionality.

      I notice you neglect my other examples, but that's okay they serve only to show that convergence happens for all sorts of things that don't fit in a pocket. Rather, items that people carry with them or use when they have limited space. Can we agree upon that?

      If I'm carrying a netbook around already...

      Who says you are? More importantly, who says the average consumer is?

      ...then the iPad needs to be either lighter, smaller, or much more useful than the netbook in order to be worth the space.

      Or cheaper or easier to use for the average person or easier to hold in one hand while walking or less cumbersome as a book reader. Or it could provide functionality in the form of accessible content, just as the iPod did when it took over the digital music player market.

      If my phone has most or all of the same functionality as the iPad, just scaled down, and my netbook covers much of the rest, scaled up, then the iPad is not a device to fit in the "pocket convergence" area.

      Again you assume most people carry both a smartphone and a netbook, but that is likely not the case. The idea of "pocket convergence" is flawed in and of itself, as I pointed out. Whether or not the iPad will succeed and whether or not it actually is a convergence of e-book readers and umm PDAs (was that your theory) has nothing to do with whether or not it will fit in a pocket.

    12. Re:niches by xtal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Jesse Schell is wrong.

      The iPad will succeed very well for it's targeted market. Here's a hint: it's not you.

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    13. Re:niches by Wovel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      His own logic could easily be used to explain why the ipad will succeed as something diverging from a PC with a more specific subset of features. If the ipad was actually a giant phone, he might have a point, but it is actually a specialized computer.

      He got lost in the imagery and failed to use his own logic.

    14. Re:niches by Wovel · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have a lot of friends who absolutely love their netbooks, many have netbooks, laptops and desktop pcs. I own one 2 laptops atm but never saw the point of a netbook, it is too big to be realistically more portable than my Macbook pro. This is where the iPad fits and where others failed to do their homework. It has all the features that most people actually use on their netbooks.

    15. Re:niches by 4iedBandit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You seem to forget history. The iPhone was not initially sold in a subsidized version and it still sold and sold a ton before Apple came out with a subsidized pricing plan. What did it offer over other phones that made millions of people go out and buy it for full price? It's widely accepted that feature wise the iPhone has lagged over the competition, and still it's been wildly popular.

      If you have great form but lousy function your product will fail. If you have lousy form but fantastic function you may be successful, but only because people have to have your function. If you pair fantastic form with fantastic function, you will own the market.

      You can argue against that all you want but Apple's fast rise to prominence in the smart phone market tells the story.

      Apple's been playing a long-term game here. The ipod and iphone have been gateway gadgets to bring people to the realization that not all tech has to suck and merely be tolerated because it does something useful. I wish other manufacturers would learn that lesson.

      The iPad is a harder sell because it's not a phone and bigger than a simple ipod, but I think it will sell. And I think it will sell a ton when people see what kind of apps are available. Apple is shifting the computing paradigm away from the desktop metaphor, and they're doing it fast.

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    16. Re:niches by 4iedBandit · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Plus you bought this functionality for the price of lacking half the functionality and freedom of any other smartphone on the market.

      Well considering I paid about $500 for two other smart phones, gray market ones from Japan in fact, and still bought an iPhone before the price was subsidized means one of two things:

      1. I'm stupid, which I'm sure many people will agree with.
      2. The iPhone, despite not having all the features of the other smart phones I owned, did everything I wanted it to do phenomenally better. So much better that paying the unsubsidized cost was not a deterrent.

      Freedom is not merely the possibility to do things. It is the ability to do what I want and do it well.

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    17. Re:niches by tftp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      At best, I see them dominating the eBook-reader and netbook markets

      There is a comment, just above, doubting iPad's impact in eBook market. I also see it this way, given that Kindle or Sony or B&N readers cost half that much, and 3G is included for free. There is also that eternal debate about eInk vs. backlit screens... and certainly battery life of an eInk device is infinitely better than anything that iPad has to offer.

      But netbook market, IMO, is not going to curl up and die either. A netbook is a fully functioning portable computer. You can consume information with it, and you can equally well create information with it. This is important for people with urge to post every 5 minutes what they are doing (mostly "updating my Facebook page", apparently :-) iPad, on the other hand, is a consumption device - you can browse the Web, somewhat (without Flash) and you can watch movies, but you can't do much else. Posting a comment like this on /. would be painful, and writing a larger text would be foolish. Netbooks, with their keyboards, however small, are still better suited to the bidirectional exchange of information, and all that comes in a single package - you open it and you are good to go. No need to carry separate adapters, separate dock, separate keyboard.

      I personally see iPad productively used only as a supplementary, generic Web browser. It won't have any plugins (like MS Media Player) that many Web sites use to stream music. It won't have any of the software that you know how to operate. Everything will be new, and everything will have to be bought. This will result in few apps sold, certainly less than those for iPhone. Who, outside of a few fanbois, is going to "accessorize" a computer that you rarely use and hardly ever carry with you? Especially when you already have that functionality working just fine, usually for free, on your laptop - the device that is the real competitor of iPad.

    18. Re:niches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I have a stereo with a CD turntable and tape deck built in (yes, I'm old but not old enough to have a record player on top of it).

      Maybe so - but you did just call that CD player a "turntable." :-)

    19. Re:niches by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not as consumer-grade goods, they didn't. The Atari VCS was widely available before home computers hit the appropriate price point for the consumer market.

  3. Wow by Sarten-X · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's a heck of a lot of Microsoft pushing for one little article.

    That said, I agree fully. Tablets have always sucked, and the iPad is just another iteration of the same game. Maybe it'll bring some fresh ideas to usability, and maybe not. For the few folks who actually have a use for a tablet, it's an exciting time.

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    1. Re:Wow by GNUALMAFUERTE · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Totally agreed. That article had m$ written all over the place. I loved how he jumped to the conclusion "microsft has to do this" after each reason of why the tablets suck.

      The article, in fewer words "The iPad sucks, just like every other tablet, and only microsoft can save us from tablet-sucking. Oh! They are about to release a tablet, how convenient."

      More advertisement.

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    2. Re:Wow by mosb1000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's not what I got from it at all. What I read was "the iPad is the first potentially viable tablet computing device, and other computer makers need to get with the program so that Apple doesn't have a monopoly on the market".

    3. Re:Wow by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The reason why it mentions Microsoft so much is because Microsoft is, indeed, one of the oldest players in this market, trying to make it viable(and always failing). Heck, the very term "tablet" with relation to a computer was originally popularized by MS.

      So, like it or not, but any discussion about tablets would have to invoke the name of Microsoft more than once - if only to adequately explain its failure.

  4. 5 stupid rationalizations from iPad camp by CxDoo · · Score: 3, Funny

    Breaking news!

    I own a tablet PC.
    It kicks ass.
    And runs Windows 7.
    Which kicks ass too.

    Now continue with the program.

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  5. His Reasons Why... by BlueBoxSW.com · · Score: 4, Informative

    1. Tablets Are Niche Devices
    2. Full OSes Were Always There, Yet Those Who Complained That The iPad Doesn't Have One Still Never Bought One
    3. High-End Hardware Specs Sometimes Don't Matter
    4. Interface, Interface, Interface
    5. Lack Of Tablet Apps

  6. Tablets suck by JWSmythe · · Score: 3, Interesting

        I agree with the article. Their reasons are pretty good.

        I've owned a couple of tablets (bought from friends who grew tired of them), and worked on a few more. Generally, they do suck. Like it or not, you'll get to a point where you need to type something out, and voila, you wish you had a laptop. Most of the tablets could switch to laptop mode, but who wants to keep flipping their computer around just to be able to type. Eventually, the stylus is stuck in it's holder, and you now have a very expensive, and usually slower, laptop.

        I'm working on a piece of embedded equipment right now, with a touch screen. The interface is absolutely perfect, as long as you're giving a selection of large buttons to push. We even have provisions in our interface for a full QWERTY keyboard for the portions that require that kind of input.

        800x600 on a 8" screen is cute, and wonderful for a 10-key (0-9), but those fun and games go away if I switch away from the specific application. We have a keyboard and mouse attached too. The touch screen is all fun and games, unless you want to do something serious.

        I tried out the PDA fad once upon a time too. You don't realize how much typing is required until you try to send a real email, or ssh to a server. No number of aliased commands made up it. Even from my crackberry, I may send a few paragraphs, since it has a qwerty keyboard, but writing something like this, I wait until I'm at a real computer.

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  7. well duh by peragrin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Windows is not and never has been a tablet OS. a Tablet isn't a desktop, you can't use the two in the same fashion. the pointers are different(fingers/stylus, vs a mouse pointer) You can't just graph touch inputs into a desktop GUI, and expect everything to work right. MSFT has made one decent touch based app, That is why tablets have thus failed. Everyone tries to treat them as notebooks with touch screens, not as tablets with their own gui designs.

    Apple with their sometimes annoying closed systems, are breaking MSFT out of their bad habits. It took 3-4 years but MSFT fianlly realized that putting a desktop Interface on their phones was a bad idea that limited usability. With the Ipad maybe in 5 years MSFT will make a real windows tablet OS, that ditches a wide bar that eats up valuable real estate and come up with a new way to work with tablets. I would say linux might get their first, but Linux devs while innovative seem to have no luck in advertising to manufacturers.

    typing this on my mac, with my Iphone nearby i will say i won't get an ipad, my purpose of a small tablet will be primarily for browsing and unfortunately that will require flash. though someone finally taking a stand against flash is refreshing.

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    1. Re:well duh by peragrin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      a mouse isn't a keyboard. A mouse isn't a touch based sensor either.

      when working with a mouse, you will not use it in the same manner as you would use a touch input. things like drag and draw respond very differently with a finger as opposed to a mouse and button press.

      Apple understands this. MSFT partially does just no one in charge. There are many types of GUI. one for keyboards one for mice, and one that is yet to be fully embraced for touch based systems.

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  8. I gave tablets serious consideration by ffreeloader · · Score: 2, Informative

    I didn't get one though for one reason only: small monitors/screens. My eyesight is getting worse as I get older, and I really need a monitor larger than 12.1". I love the 17" monitor on my current laptop. It's easy to read and doesn't strain my eyes even at 1440x900.

    If tablets were made with 16"+ monitors I would have bought a tablet rather than my current laptop. I really like the capabilities of a tablet, but until/unless they are made with larger monitors I'll never buy one.

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  9. Tablets are mostly-output devices by Animats · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's a class of devices which are mostly-output. Game machines, e-readers, and smartphones without keyboards fall into this category. Their primary function is to display content created elsewhere. Input requirements are minimal.

    Think of Apple's "iPad" as a big e-reader, with color and video, and it makes more sense.

    1. Re:Tablets are mostly-output devices by beelsebob · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why would I pay twice as much for this output device than I would pay for an iPhone?

      I don't know, lucky then that the iPad is $500, and the iPhone is $800.

    2. Re:Tablets are mostly-output devices by mysidia · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Then why doesn't it have an eInk or other non-backlit display suitable for staring at for long periods of time?

    3. Re:Tablets are mostly-output devices by tepples · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why would I pay twice as much for this output device than I would pay for an iPhone?

      Because it's cheaper than getting LASIK so that you can read tiny text on an iPhone screen.

    4. Re:Tablets are mostly-output devices by weston · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Think of Apple's "iPad" as a big e-reader, with color and video, and it makes more sense.

      And a touch screen. And an optional keyboard peripheral.

      I see a lot of reductionist views of the iPad and my own take is that these miss the mark. Yeah, I do think it's designed to capture part of the eReader market (not all, since some people will insist on e-ink)... but I think it's also designed to capture part of the netbook market (though not all, because some people will insist on having another OS and more freedom), and part of the portable entertainment market (though not all, because some people don't care what size they're watching video at and/or prefer another gaming platform).

      I see a bet by Apple that there's a spot for a convergence device between all these things. And a lot of commentators who assume they're wrong because it's not superior to each one of those devices in their niche. Particularly on slashdot. Not a surprise: geeks like the idea of clean transitivity. We'll see in a year or two who's right.

  10. If Bill says it, it must be true by whereiswaldo · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Within five years, I predict it will be the most popular form of PC sold in America. It will come with a full 640 KB of RAM which should be enough for anybody. We will continue to out-innovate Apple. Then we're going to fscking kill Google."

    1. Re:If Bill says it, it must be true by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I actually remember nearly ten years ago sitting about fifty feet away from Bill Gates while he was holding up his wonderful new tablet PC and telling us that it was going to be the future of computing; I wondered what kind of crack he was smoking at the time (well, we were in LA after all), and I still wonder today.

      I can certainly see cases where a tablet would be far more useful than a laptop or netbook, but for general computing it's a non-starter.

  11. The article isn't talking about the iPad by oneTheory · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have no intention of getting an iPad, but all the reasons the article points out why tablets suck actually point to the possibility that the iPad might actually succeed.

    Unlike the other tablets, the iPad is designed with an interface done correctly for a tablet. It's not trying to be a full OS because the interface wouldn't work correctly. It's going with the iPhone OS which is a touch-centric OS.

  12. Author ignores the main reason tablets failed by Totenglocke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The biggest reason tablets have never succeeded more is because they've always been expensive. I've seen some tablets I'd love to own, but they're in the $2,000 - $2,500 range, which is way more than I'll spend on a tablet. Now that we're reaching the point where costs are low enough that they can make decently powered tablets in the $500-$700 range, which is where the typical laptop is (I said laptop, not netbook), I think that they'll sell a lot more.

    Go throughout history and you see plenty of innovations that never catch on until a decade or so later when the prices drop significantly to where people don't view buying one as a major investment.

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    1. Re:Author ignores the main reason tablets failed by ahankinson · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You won't get an argument from me - a laptop will definitely do "more."

      The iPad isn't built to do more. In fact, it's almost explicitly designed to do less. I predict it will be a big hit for the people that don't need to do more, but rather do the same thing every day with their computer: read their e-mail, check a few webpages, maybe look at some pictures or watch a movie. About the only thing I can think of that the iPad would do better than a laptop is for reading books.

      Truth is, most people don't need their computers to do more. They just want it to do the things they understand, which is often a very limited subset of tasks.

    2. Re:Author ignores the main reason tablets failed by Aladrin · · Score: 3, Informative

      You say 'always', but HP has produced $800 tablets for years now. I upgraded one and spent $1200, but that's still half of your $2500.

      So, why didn't they catch on?

      The digitizer is just so-so
      The processor is crap and can't really handle digitizer input at full speed, even if the digitizer wasn't so-so.
      It's heavy. You imagine holding it on one arm and drawing with the other, like you might a clipboard... This will not happen for more than a couple minutes.
      It's touch-screen as well as having a digitizer. In theory, the touchscreen disables when the pen is near the screen, so your hand doesn't accidentally draw. In reality, the distance has to be too close, and you end up messing things up constantly.
      It's heavy. You imagine reading books on it, but it's simply a pain to move around while you're reading.
      It's hot. That processor, as weak as it is, produces so much heat that you'll think twice about setting it on your lap.
      Did I mention that it's heavy? Seriously. Everything you think you want to do with it will fail because it's just heavy.

      So, why do I expect the iPad and its competitors to succeed?

      They won't be heavy. Just like an iPod Touch or iPhone, it'll be a nice light-weight device that only does what it needs to: Display content!
      Decent book-readers are already $200-300 anyhow. (And they used to be $500.) For the media capabilities in a better tablet, the extra price is justified.
      You can run your already-existing mobile apps. The iPad will use your iPhone apps, and the Android devices will supposedly use your Android apps you've already bought. On all other computers, you're expected to repurchase your apps when you have multiple devices. (I've always thought this was a stupid policy. A person can only use 1 computer at a time anyhow, so just let them install it multiple times.)

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  13. My problem with iPad by mysidia · · Score: 4, Informative

    Is that it's not an open platform. It doesn't matter that much to me that it isn't the sake as a desktop OS X install, I am OK with that.

    My issues are:

    • No multitasking in the iPhone OS. Even cell phone OSes can do that.
    • No way to easily develop complex applications for it
    • The platform is closed: executables have to be signed, can't share or download software from third parties.
    • Closed APIs that the platform developer users for their own tools, but doesn't let anyone else use
    • Apple has to approve every frigging application.
    • The folks at Apple are total dicks about what applications they accept/refuse.
    • The folks at Apple can deactivate or tamper apps you have already purchaed, and tamper with your device's settings/experience at any time they feel like it.
    • The folks at Apple make retroactive rejections for stupid reasons, for example deactivating Commodore emulator after it was already approved. Refusing Google Voice.
    • App approval process It's not a simple "Is this program safe?", or has the developer tested it for stability check. They demand apps meet a long list of criteria that are difficult to meet, AND ordinary people will want apps that inherently don't meet all their stringent criteria.
    1. Re:My problem with iPad by xtal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nobody cares it's not an open platform. It is marketed towards people who just want to accomplish certain things, and it is designed to do those things _very well_.

      When an open platform does those things, perhaps we have something to talk about.

      For end user, polished applications, the open platform solutions have been total epic fail.

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  14. I Have a Tablet, and It's Brilliant! by meehawl · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just got a Hp Tm2. Capacitive multitouch screen + Wacom pressure-sensitive digitiser screen + huge multitouch trackpad. I added a 3-button scrolling trackball for my own UI preference. 10 watt CULV dual-core CPU. Dual boot Ubuntu and Win7, with each virtualising the physical partition of the other on-demand, and virtual XP and OSx86 just for kicks. Yes, the basic screen UIs such as Gnome and Win7 File Explorer are less than optimal for finger manipulation. But there are so many replacement apps and shells that this is not really an issue. And the ability to avoid the mouse/trackball unless absolutely necessary and directly interact with the objects on screen is both amazing and liberating. I suspect that many of the people who diss on TabletPCs simply haven't really used one, or have not yet found a compelling reason to use one or haven't really looked very much. Personally, I use wanted a tablet for the immediacy of interacting directly on the screen, and the amazingly convenient comic book/ebook/media viewer it enables. I'm no stranger to mechanically disintermediated UIs -- was using a light pen in the early 1980s and a mouse since the Mac came out in the mid-80s -- but after a few years of a touchscreen phone/PDA I simply knew my next PC had to have touch. The irony is that with some deep discounting and some coupons, my TabletPC cost less than the higher-end iPad will cost, *and* it can easily run 1080p from both MKV/AVC and Flash with ease.

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  15. Enough with the speculative stories and discussion by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Okay, we get it. Windows tablets never took off the way Microsoft thought they would. The iPad is a failure, even though it hasn't been released yet and we have no idea how well or poorly it will sell. Anyone who is excited about the iPad is a Mac Fanboi. Everyone who trashes the iPad is a Windows Zealot. Your opinion is silly and unsupportable because it differs from mine.

    There, I saved you some reading.

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  16. I have Samsung Q1 UMPC by tftp · · Score: 2, Informative

    Those "five reasons" are somewhat stupid. Let's see:

    they're unable to do everything you can do on a laptop - sure, and the laptop is unable to do everything that you can do on a quantum computer. So what? The only requirement here is for the tablet to do what you need it to do.

    They've shipped with stylus-pointing devices that were frankly not that easy to use - does this mean that a greasy finger that covers what you press is any better?

    Because full desktop/laptop operating systems don't work on a tablet device - that's certainly news (or another, deeper level of cluelessness on part of the author.) As matter of fact, they work just fine.

    All user-interface mechanics on a full-blown OS are designed to work with a mouse, not your finger/stylus - leaving dirty fingers alone, the stylus and the mouse are the same to the tablet.

    This is why phones have interfaces designed specifically for usage on their screen sizes and device sizes - and what does this have to do with tablets?

    Can you imagine pecking around with your finger on ultra-thin scroll bars and tiny buttons? - the author clearly has a finger mania.

    Very few people have one, let alone know of or even care about the device - I have a tablet, and other people have theirs, because they have a specific need for a tablet. A tablet is not a solution to all world's ills, it is a niche product - but if you have a niche application then it fits nicely.

    The point isn't to cram as much technology into a tablet as physically possible. It's far better to make the tablet really intuitive to use in a way that makes sense for that kind of form factor. - No, it's far more important to preserve compatibility with existing software. You can learn how to use a tablet in minutes, and you need to do it only once. However you can't write software that fast, and you need to do it every time you need a new application.

    Tablet makers: please, don't try to pump insane hardware specs into your tablets and bloat up prices. - the author is obviously unaware that most of PC functions are nowadays built into the same chip that has the CPU and memory interface and Ethernet and USB... it will cost more to have less.

    Then when you need to type, you have to put the stylus down and use your fingers or peck at the virtual keys with the thing - why do you need to "put the stylus down", I wonder? Besides, typing on any tablet, beyond a few words, is ill-advised. Typing requires a keyboard. However it is interesting that the author ignores existence of pretty good handwriting recognition systems for tablets. Perhaps because they require a stylus, and not fingers? :-)

    The fact that most tablets run on Windows or another non-tablet friendly OS means that pretty much most applications are not going to be tablet and finger friendly - it means just the opposite. A Windows or Linux tablet has access to all the apps that exist for those platforms, and all of those apps run just fine when controlled with a stylus. Granted, you'd have to have a frag wish if you control a FPS game with a stylus or your finger. But a USB mouse is what, $10 these days?

    1. Re:I have Samsung Q1 UMPC by dfghjk · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The article is an example of starting out with an opinion and deriving all your arguments from it. The author has clearly bought into Apple's argument for tablet UI usability. All his arguments flow from that propaganda.

  17. see also by beefubermensch · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I said pretty much the same things, but much better:

    http://lumma.org/microwave/#2010.02.25

    -Carl

  18. Long Tail... by bennomatic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's niches and there's niches. It would be possible to create a device that's useful for only one task, and if only a few million people in the world are interested in that task, then you've got a really limited market.

    Tablet devices have long been billed as fully functional computes with a new form-factor, but in some ways, they've been the worst of both worlds. As others have pointed out, the form-factor is typically tacked onto the OS, rather than both being designed to work flawlessly together. And they've historically been underpowered systems which would never replace a desktop.

    What's interesting about the iPad is that it answers a different question than other tablets have. Rather than asking, "what sort of device would computer users want to buy?", it seems to me that Apple has asked, "What sort of device would appeal to people who hate computers?"

    That question leads to others, like, "What tasks do people want to do without having to boot up a computer?" Reading, watching movies, web browsing, playing games. Sure, there are more things you can do with an iPad--they wouldn't have migrated iWork to the platform if they didn't think some people would want to use it for work--but I think the main thing they've done is build something that is indeed a computer, but that a lot of people who don't like computers don't have to see as one.

    Like Apple or not, they've done a great job with interface design on the iPhone, and the lessons learned there transfer well to the iPad. Will it succeed or fail? I don't know; it depends on your definition, I guess. I doubt iPad sales will ever quite catch up with the iPhone's, but of course, that's a pretty high bar to shoot for. They've set their target at 10 million this year. Again, like Apple or not, it's been a while since they fell short of sales estimates, even on completely new products.

    In fact, they've made some big wins on products which everyone thought would fail. The original iPod was going to be just another MP3 player. They killed the iPod Mini, their most successful model, at its sales peak and replaced it with the Nano, a complete redesign, and got a huge sales bump. They made the screen-less shuffle, providing fewer features than the competitors that Jobs referred to as crap, and outselling those competitors by a mile. They released the iPhone for $599, no SDK, no MMS, no cut and paste, and all sorts of other things wrong with it according to the chatter on the Internet, and yet, here we are.

    I'm sure there are going to be a lot of new tablets released in short order, some of which might be even better than Apple's in some ways or others. But I'm not sure it's time to bet against Apple in terms of long term success for the product.

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  19. Small differences add up by Zigurd · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Earlier tablet products were user interface disasters. Fiddly pen-based inputs. Bad handwriting recognition. Tiny, mouse-oriented buttons.

    iPhone changed the set of expectations for a touch UI. iPhone, Android, Windows Phone 7, and other new-generation touch UIs will leave the old tablet UIs behind. iPad will pioneer a new generation of office productivity software specifically designed for touch interaction.

    So, while there is no guarantee this is all enough to make tablets a success, it sure is not a rehash of previous failed products. Tablet prices are also low enough to encourage experimentation rather than to require a business case for a more expensive device.

  20. I have a tablet, but no idea who else would use it by ilyag · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I use the tablet to take down mathematical lectures on it. It's very nice for lectures which use tons of math symbols and diagrams, especially because it doesn't clutter up my desk as much. I find it nicer to have tons of files that I almost never look at, than when I had tons of papers I almost never look at, then lost and couldn't find when I did need one.

    However, I can't invent any other use for a tablet PC. If math lectures didn't have diagrams, I'd use Word or LaTeX. Typing is faster than writing on a tablet. Maybe art students have a use for it? Anybody know other uses?

  21. Same can be said of the iPhone, but... by oneTheory · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...unfortunately apple is one of the only companies that is willing to invest in creating new interfaces for new devices instead of slapping windows on there and expecting that it will be useful.

    Hence the iPhone for 2 years was one of the only devices with an interface allowing the best use of the hardware. Tons of other phones had great hardware features but crappy interfaces that made the overall device cumbersome.

  22. Re:Why not a slide out keyboard? by tclgeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It would add cost. Probably suck a little power (it is, after all, more wires and whatnot). And you can only use it in one orientation. And it would be a very awkward size. Not quite full size, but too big to use thumbs. And it wouldn't fit with Apple's aesthetic.

  23. Apple's tablet is different from other tablets. by master_p · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Apple's tablet is different from other tablets so far:

    1. it does not have a user interface that follows the desktop metaphor, which is not appropriate for a tablet.
    2. it has a multitouch interface, unlike other tablets.
    3. it has quite a low price.
    4. it boots way faster than other devices.
    5. it is lighter than other devices.

    For me, the only reason not considering an iPad is lack of Flash support and lack of openness. I think it's on the right path, and if these two are solved, I'll consider buying one.

    1. Re:Apple's tablet is different from other tablets. by TuringTest · · Score: 2, Funny

      There are two reasons why I'm not considering an iPad, lack of Flash support and lack of openness. And it doesn't have any USB ports.

      Ok, there are three reasons why I'm not considering an iPad: lack of Flash support, lack of openness, and lack of USB ports. And no webcam.

      Oh wait...

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  24. Re:Pfft by siride · · Score: 2, Funny

    1998 called: it wants its anti-Windows rant back. Now if you want to see a truly cobbled together desktop system, take a look at the Linux desktop stack.

  25. Not at all true by mosb1000 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    First of all, who said that the iPad is a "convergence" device? It's not meant to replace desktops and laptops (in fact, it requires one!) it's meant to supplement them.

    Secondly, broad generalizations rarely make accurate predictions. This argument makes no sense because it makes no real consideration of the merits and potential uses for the device. As long as it fills an unfilled niche, or works better than existing alternatives it will find success.

    For example, I currently have a laptop, but is it not convenient enough for me to use it as such (It basically sits at home and waits for me to use it there). I do most of my computing on my iPhone. With the iPad, I will be able to access the internet anywhere, and produce documents on the go. So it may be a good fit for me, and I may be able to sell my macbook and buy a mac mini instead. Of course, I'm going to have to hold one in my hands and play with it for a while before I will be willing to shell out $$$ for one.

    1. Re:Not at all true by masmullin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What I'm saying is that there is no device on the market like the iPad

      Including the fraking iPAD. ITS NOT SOLD YET! You haven't used one!

  26. I'm going to buy an Ipad - and here is why: by Whuffo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Let me start by saying that the only Apple device I own right now is an Ipod touch. I'm typing this on a Windows notebook and my big machine is a Windows desktop. I don't have any love for Apple or their policies - they do some things right and some things very, very wrong.

    That said, there's some changes in "books" coming. We've had Kindle and Sony reader for a while and now others are jumping on the bandwagon. As limited as those devices are, they're selling in very large numbers. Kindle is Amazon's number one selling product - that says something, right? As the number of e-readers becomes larger and larger there's more incentive for the publishing houses to make their books available electronically. Between that and the large public domain book libraries available online there's a strong case for electronic books.

    But sitting in a chair at a desktop computer to read books online is awkward - and trying to do it on a notebook is even worse. The Ipod touch is a little better but the screen is too darned small. We like to be able to hold the book and sit / slouch / lay wherever so a tablet-like e-reader is probably the best solution. Unfortunately, the attempts at tablet machines up to this point have been ill-conceived botches. Windows isn't made to be a tablet operating system - its touchscreen support is primitive and incomplete. This and the need of designers to add just one more feature has resulted in fragile yet heavy machines with short battery life - not worth their price.

    Some say that the Ipad is limited - but if what I do is read email, browse the web and play an occasional game or two then it does 99.9% of what I need. Add in music and videos and that slick multi-touch interface and it meets my needs very well. Yes, I know - and when I need to do some serious typing, write some code, etc. I'll sit down at that Windows desktop and go to work. Apple did one more very nice thing - they made a case for the Ipad that opens like a book. This allows you to hold it like a book; same approximate size and weight, just like you're used to.

    I've been watching this electronic book stuff for a while now - and I feel it's time for me to jump. I'll give away / donate my home library (thousands of dusty books) and replace them with an Ipad. Even if it did nothing else it'd be worth the price for just this one function.

  27. Re:niches - fixed that for ya by Vidar+Leathershod · · Score: 5, Funny

    Jesse Schell, known mostly to his friends and colleagues as a game designer, spoke at "DICE", where maybe a few hundred people heard him, and said the iPad, which has not yet been released, will not succeed. He then went on to explain his theories regarding what makes a successful product, based on his experience in designing things that have unit sales measured in millions.

    Then, some guy on Slashdot quoted him, which sent Apple's stock into a nose dive as everyone who read it decided not to buy an iPad because *the* Jesse Schell said they won't want to.

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  28. technologies divert by e**(i+pi)-1 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    > Convergence doesn't happen. Technologies diverge, for the most part.

    That is exactly the reason why I ordered an iPad. The iPod is great to read nontechnical books, write quick emails or have a glance at news while away from the office. It does not replace the desktop, where I can program, develop, write comfortably, where things are backed up and synced with other computers, where I have reliability and openness of the operating system and complete control, what process is running.

    But I do not like to read technical books on the PC, nor on the iPod. I want to have my library with me, on a different device. I imagine having the iPod in my pocket, write on my laptop and have a tablet as a reference.

    Yes, the interface will be key. The article very well describes why tablet PCs have failed so far: they had crappy, sucking interfaces so far. It does not have to be Apple: also "Courier" from Microsoft looks as if it is going to be a winner: because the interface looks nice. Whether Apple or Microsoft will succeed is not yet clear. It is no question for me that there will be something between a smart phone and a laptop, which will stay to read journals, newspapers, books or articles.

    Divergence will occur also naturally because smart phones and tablets will be locked down pretty heavily. Nobody who minds the future will bet entirely on a platform which is closed. As for a book reader, I do not care as long as it displays PDFs and Djvu files nicely, and in high quality.

  29. 5 reasons because tablets as desktop pcs suck by gmuslera · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He is not trying to use tablets as tablets, but trying to using them as desktop PCs or notebooks. They are different kind of devices, better or more comfortable than PCs for some tasks, worse for others. Better than say why they suck as desktop computers, would be better to list for which tasks something like a tablet is good, for which ones regular, and for which will suck. And then see if what is or was offered fit into that (regarding price, features, form factor, etc)

  30. Re:Pfft by ahankinson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Lemme see if I follow your argument:

    The reason people don't want a tablet, especially the iPad, is because it doesn't do anything special.

    Hm. Ok, I'll buy it. Tablets are usually more expensive laptops, that run full operating systems and are operated by a clumsy UI. You don't gain anything. Well, except the iPad. It's running a special tablet-oriented version of OS X. But you're right... you don't really get more functionality from the iPad than a laptop or even a netbook.

    It's pretty much the same "throw existing apps on something without a keyboard and call it a tablet" that everyone else has tried.

    Again, I agree... MS Office would be especially painful if all you could use with it is a stylus. But the iPad will specifically *not* be using existing apps. In fact, they made a completely new version of iWork to run on the iPad...

    That's not how the iPod and iPhone were successful. It's not how smartphones became successful in general, or even how netbooks became successful. If you want to make a real tablet, you've got to have a focused, tablet-oriented system, and a pervasive tablet UI.

    I'm sorry. Do you even know what an iPad is? It pretty much is a "real tablet" with a "focused, tablet-oriented system" and a "pervasive tablet UI". At least, it's the closest thing we've come to in the mainstream market.

    You seem to be arguing that the people who don't want a tablet don't want it because it has clunky, non-tablet software. But even tablets that *do* have tablet-oriented software and a tablet-specific UI are doomed to failure because they don't have clunky, non-tablet software. Umm....

  31. Re:Speakers and OTA by zzatz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    HDHomeRunner - a small box with one Ethernet jack and two coax input jacks for antenna or cable. Every computer (and specialized playback devices) on your network can display TV.

    Consumer electronics is clearly moving in the direction of including networking in all devices. I rarely watch TV live or get out a CD. All of my music is on a server on my network. All of the TV shows that I watch are on a server. Even my books are moving to the server; of the last dozen books I've read, all are on the server. Even my phone is on the network.

    Accessories do not need to be IN the computer, they need to be on the network.

  32. Re:I have some advice for you! by Culture20 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Don't buy an iPad!

    If we, the geeks, don't fight stupid moves in computing they may become the norm. Yes, 80% (or some other made up percentage) of people might be okay with a limited OS, but if lots of other computer companies run with this Computer Feudalism, bad things will result.

  33. Re:The user interface is not the OS. by geminidomino · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Full enough"/"good enough" are subjective.

    I will personally never find any OS without multitasking "good enough" that is not on a single-function device.

  34. Re:Easy, you fell into my dialectical trap by feepness · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You see, one of the forms of background processing that people like you forget about is the fact that a server can be operating on your behalf, and then alert you when it's done via push. Since you can have custom sounds set something like a background alarm is easy.

    You gotta be kidding me. Running on a remote server is not multi-tasking.

  35. Inputdev is important by symbolset · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Your phone probably has more compute power than the cluster of computers that saw men to the moon. Display now really is the problem because processor watts have been beaten by ARM, and storage watts have been beaten by SSD. All that's left is the watts that drive the display. Roughly a billion people need a platform that's online and delivers the ability to participate in the digital economy. The iPad delivers it, at admittedly too high a price for them - but it's a start. We're on our way to welcoming the slumdogs into the online discourse. I, for one, can't wait to hear what they have to say.

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  36. Re:forgetting the reasons why it will succeed? by twerppoet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I recently destroyed my kindle, so I've been paying close attention the iPad's potential as an ebook reader.

    I agree with most people that it won't be as good an ebook reading gadget as some of the specialized products out there, for various reasons.

    It does have one thing going for it that I haven't seen anywhere else. It will work with both Amazon, and Barns and Noble via announced apps. Plus there will be the iBook store which will also allow you to add DRM free ePub books to the mix.

    Does anyone know of another ebook reader that will have as large a selection of books and prices to choose from? For competition's sake I hope the big online sellers will come out with something for Android based tablets too.

    Because, seriously, who cares how perfect the gadget is if you can't get the books you want?

  37. Re:The user interface is not the OS. by node+3 · · Score: 2, Informative

    No, it's the same OS. You can't background GUI apps due to the iPhone OS's security model (hence the need to jailbreak), but iPhone OS is a fully multitasking and multithreading OS (and it makes extensive use of that ability).

  38. Re:The user interface is not the OS. by geminidomino · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If *I* can't make use of the ability, then it might as well not have it. I want a computer, not a compsci lesson.

    Maybe android-based devices will be less of a disappointment.