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If ET Calls, Who Speaks For Humanity?

EagleHasLanded writes "Who speaks for humankind if ET calls on us? Paul Davies, chairman of the SETI Post-Detection Taskgroup, is a likely ambassador. But Allen Tough founded the Invitation to ETI Web site, which encourages ET to make contact via email (and also strongly discourages humans from impersonating ET). But an individual in the UK got over some of the hurdles designed to weed out hoaxers, before finally throwing in the towel."

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  1. Re:I do. by sopssa · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wouldn't this be a good slashdot poll? Maybe we should put kdawson in charge.

  2. Just in case... by Manax · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just in case you, or someone you know turns out to be the first, everyone should read this

    It's not exactly rigorous, but it gets the main points across.

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    1. Re:Just in case... by Planesdragon · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's not exactly rigorous, but it gets the main points across.

      It's a load of bunk. (Biggest bit: A knife fight today is the same as a knife fight 10,000 years ago. Technology advances, but only to physical limits. Oh, and not only does nobody remember the Indians that Columbus met, but most Native peoples don't date themselves as "Post-Columbian" and "Pre-Columbian.")

      Anyway, if an alien shows up and decides to "make contact", they'll be in one of two situations.

      1: They didn't plan it, and this is an emergency or an accident. Offer help if you can, but only if they accept it. Mostly, just stay the @#$ out of their way and try not to get killed. And for the love of god, don't kill them until they've killed one of us. (Yes, that probably means that "first contact bob" would be "first trophy bob." if they're here to hunt. Sucks to be bob.)

      2; They did plan it, and made contact deliberately. It doesn't take more than a day to notice that the species creating buildings and machines and launching crap into space is sentient, and they'll learn a hell of a lot more about us by watching us for another day or two rather than picking one of us at random and watching us flail around. Greet them in your common habit and vernacular FIRST, and only resort to random flailings and scribbling on the floor if they don't respond.

    2. Re:Just in case... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Duncan Lunan from ASTRA wrote a couple of books on the subject in the early 1970s and basically fleshed out the possibilities you outlined, going through various permutations, including ones where we initiate contact, either inside our own solar system or outside. It was an interesting read but don't know if the books are accessible on the web yet.

    3. Re:Just in case... by Manax · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I agree with your 1 or 2. But the writer's point about vast technological differences is really true, probably more-so than he realizes. And I do agree with the writer that alien contact will be such a HUGE deal to society as a whole, that it very well could be the sort of year 0 thing he suggests.

      And I totally agree that they'll know we're sentient, and odds are good they'll be able to have perfect translators pretty damn quickly once they've come into contact with our radio transmissions, if they're able to fly around the galaxy...

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    4. Re:Just in case... by Tassach · · Score: 5, Insightful

      any aliens with the technology to travel across interstellar space would have to have some pretty phenomenal computer technology

      The only thing safe to assume about aliens is that they will be ALIEN. As in, completely unlike us in every way. It's a mistake to terrestrialize ETs, let alone anthropomorphize them. Their concept of 'communication', let alone their culture and motivations, will likely be be so wildly different than ours as to be beyond our ability to even conceive of it. Hell, we have a hard enough time understanding and communicating with other HUMAN cultures. Aliens, especially aliens sophisticated enough to cross interstellar distances? Forget about it.

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    5. Re:Just in case... by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Funny

      And I totally agree that they'll know we're sentient

      "Sure, the bipeds on the third planet are merely sentient, they're not >äðûæé< . Thus, it's perfectly okay to anal-probe them; we have every right as an >äðûæé< species."

    6. Re:Just in case... by HungryHobo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Someone mod the parent up.

      Is there any particular reason an alien species would be any nicer to other species than we are to other species?

    7. Re:Just in case... by shadowbearer · · Score: 3, Insightful

        I see your point, but if there are aliens who are capable of traveling across interstellar space and navigating it without computer technology of some sort, there will likely never EVER be any common ground with us to communicate thru.

        We rely on our technology for communications, more and more so the more technically advanced we get. Any form of communication has to have some sort of symbolic nature, otherwise it's not communication.

          Like I said elsewhere, unless they communicate via telepathy, there has to be at least some common ground, technology wise. However, just because WE can't understand THEM, doesn't mean that THEY won't be able to understand US.

        At the risk of providing fodder for fruitcakes, technically they could already be living amongst us, and we'd never know they were there. I am familiar with Clarke's Law wrt advanced technology...

        I think it much more likely that any aliens who would go to the trouble of trying to contact us - as a species - via a means we are familiar with would use the means of communication we are capable of detecting.

        Otherwise there wouldn't be much point in attempting to do so.

      SB

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    8. Re:Just in case... by shadowbearer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ditto.

        Let's hope that they won't judge us on that. If they do, we're pretty well screwed.

        “You are capable of such wonderful dreams,and such terrible nightmares.”

        Hell, we can't even treat other members of our OWN species decently, as a whole, much less other species.

        Some say we're in our adolescence, I'd argue we're still in the terrible two's" stage, where, as a species, we haven't developed a learned sense of ethics...

      SB

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    9. Re:Just in case... by Culture20 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We regularly leave our planet by use of technology and have harnessed the power of the atom?
      That's not to say it's enough, but those are at least two things that would probably differentiate us quite a bit.

      But if we're not 6-dimensional beings and don't *smell* the *pretty* colors, we might seem like a talking dog or a counting horse. They might be amazed by the dog (but will never consider it an equal), but they'll only be temporarily amused by the horse until they wanted to ride somewhere, make some glue, or eat horse-chops.

      Strange magical physics don't even have to be in play; the aliens only have to believe that quality X is more important than intelligence (or that quality X denotes intelligence), and if we don't have it, then we're defacto non-intelligent.

    10. Re:Just in case... by Reziac · · Score: 3, Interesting

      3) They might be criminals, political refugees, or any other "undesirable" on the run, who see our remote backward world as a good hideout (this falls somewhere between "planned" and "seredipitous" at least for them). Maybe the scum of their species, maybe the oppressed. Maybe they'll think "Cool, suckers to exploit!" or bring down their version of the law on our heads for harbouring a fugitive.

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    11. Re:Just in case... by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They might be criminals, political refugees, or any other "undesirable" on the run, who see our remote backward world as a good hideout (this falls somewhere between "planned" and "seredipitous" at least for them). Maybe the scum of their species, maybe the oppressed.

      So it's 1620 all over again, but this time we're all Red Indians and the pilgrims are green?

      Watch out for the blankets.

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  3. Re:I do. by swuppet · · Score: 3, Funny

    I suggest we let ELIZA do the talking.

  4. Its too late. by nurb432 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Our TV broadcasts have already spoken for us, and it wasn't a good message.

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    1. Re:Its too late. by Animaether · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Our TV broadcasts have already spoken for us, and it wasn't a good message.

      Isn't that in the eye of the beholder?

      We're us - and though we do so with a lot of falling down and getting back up again, we generally strive to better ourselves and our fellow man all the time.

      If that makes us unworthy of a casual visit, or more worthy of evaporation, by some alien civilization, so be it.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6ya7ZRlrEo - "My Way", Frank Sinatra.

      As it stands - we don't know -what- a particular alien civilization might enjoy... perhaps they're big fans of WW2 and want to include us in an intergalactic battle. Or maybe they just love Britney Spears and will come over to abduct all of the * Got Talent, * Idol, * Factor show people. Or maybe they'll catch one of the many talks from Stephen Hawking from old broadcasts and think it would be a jolly good time to sit down and have a chat with him via their neural interface gadgetry. So there's no point in entertaining the thought of "What Would The Aliens Do?" any more than WWJD-shirts do.. just carry on doing what we're doing for our own (planet's) good.

    2. Re:Its too late. by dbet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Our TV broadcasts have already spoken for us, and it wasn't a good message.

      I hear Single Female Lawyer has some fans.

    3. Re:Its too late. by mestar · · Score: 4, Funny

      "This is ancient Earth's most foolish program! Why does Ross, the largest Friend, simply not eat the others?"

  5. Just say yes by LoverOfJoy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just remember, when someone asks you if you're a god, you say, "YES!"

  6. obviously by oliverthered · · Score: 3, Funny

    if et calls we should great them with the communication of the other animals on the planet (well some of them),first. Before grating them ourselfs.

    this would show them that we can appreciate the communication of other life forms, and even put that communication before the communication of ourselfs.

    If we are to communicate we need to demonstrate empathy, since the only thing we know about them is that they can communicate, empathy via appreciation of the communication of other life forms on our own planet may demonstrate we can empathize with them.

    This should reduce fear and hostility towards us, and aid in good relations. in respect they may attempt to empathise with us a little more.

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    1. Re:obviously by Kelbear · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But in other cases, baring your teeth is a sign that you're planning to bite down on their neck.

      Humans smile to relax each other. Some animals use it are a threat. We wouldn't know what showing teeth means in an alien's culture.

    2. Re:obviously by precariousgray · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I would hope that an alien species capable of something as ordinary as intergalactic travel would also have spent some time thinking this through and determined that our customs and social cues may not necessarily directly correlate to their own.

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  7. This is a nonsense by Roark+Meets+Dent · · Score: 5, Funny

    Aliens are already here and do not recognize SETI or any human government or group organization. They deal with and judge each human being on their individual merits and faults. For more information, see http://www.alliesofhumanity.org/

  8. Re:Obama by clarkkent09 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think you've been watching too many movies where aliens land in the USA and act as if they don't even know that the rest of the world exists, i.e like Americans.

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  9. Whoever answers the phone? by shadowbearer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ;-)

      Obviously, there's no good answer to this question. No matter who was picked, by whatever process, some group on the planet would resent it.

      Personally I think Sagan had it right - we pick someone who doesn't have a religious or political agenda, is broadly educated especially in sciences, and
    would be willing to perform the task.*

      (Hmm... Richard Dawkins? *g*)

      * No, really:

      1) No religious agenda - doesn't matter whether or not the aliens have religion. If they don't, they'll likely think us backward. If they do, it's possible they will be offended by our version(s) - and it's certain that picking anyone who professes one major religion would piss off the other major religions.

      2) No political agenda. I doubt I need to explain this one; the person will be speaking for ALL HUMANITY.

      3) Broadly educated - in trying to understand a totally alien viewpoint, experience in many different fields would be essential.

      4) ... especially in the sciences - because it's likely anyone who *could* contact us would be extremely far along in the sciences. Unless they're doing it with telepathy...

      5) Volunteer, of course.

    SB

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    1. Re:Whoever answers the phone? by shadowbearer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      requisite background in deal making, understanding different points of view, and convincing others more powerful than we not to wipe us out

        Sure they do. Nearly all scientists are familiar with the grant application process ;-)

      SB

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  10. Re:I do. by clarkkent09 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not a slashdot poll but probably some sort of an online forum where people from around the world can vote on the questions to be asked would be a good start. Why does it have to be one person or a small group of people who speak for humanity when there is a way to let a large part of the humanity participate.

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  11. Re:I do. by gtall · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nah, I think it should be a muppet, keep'em guessing is my advice. The drummer Animal might do well, or Kermit if we'd like to appear reasonable.

  12. Re:ET Will Pick.. by melikamp · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh no no no. OBVIOUSLY, if aliens show up tomorrow, after having flown countless light years and having built a highly advanced macro-society the size of a galaxy, it is OBVIOUSLY humans who will be calling the shots. They may have bombs million times more powerful than a supernova and they may be able to derive their energy from teleporting, but surely we will be able to outsmart them, with all that we learned from Arnold movies and sitcoms.

  13. Anybody but the British! by psykocrime · · Score: 4, Funny

    Please hope the Brits don't make first contact with ET, their track record isn't so hot when it comes to handling these things...

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  14. Nobody by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why do we need someone to speak for humanity as a whole? Why do we assume the aliens will have a single government? Why can't we communicate nation-to-nation?

  15. No one by J'raxis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No one speaks for "humanity." Everyone speaks for themselves. But, I suppose that won't stop some sleazebag politician from claiming to speak for a few million or billion other people...

  16. Re:I vote for.... by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Morgan Freeman.

    There are only two main reasons anyone would bother to contact us: curiosity, or as a prelude to invasion. Given the not inconsiderable chances of the second (if you can communicate FTL, you can probably travel that way too...) I think Gordon Freeman would be a better choice.

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  17. Re:Davies, ORLY? by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So, you assume that atheists are correct and that aliens, assuming they even exist would be atheists?

    Personally, I suspect that's true, but I don't know. However, I see three possibilities:

    • They have no religion.
    • They have a religion very similar to ours.
    • They have a religion unlike anything we've ever seen.

    Now, of those, do you really think #2 is likely? (If you do, you probably should investigate how religion arose on this planet.)

    No, the likelier possibilities are option #1, in which case, any religious individual would make us seem backwards and primitive; or #3, in which case, any religion we choose to represent would likely be weird and possibly offensive to them.

    Who would you suggest? An obnoxious pompous prick like Dawkins?

    Funny... when I believed, I thought the same way you did. About Randi, also.

    Eventually, I realized that what I saw as "arrogance" was merely the courage to stand up to popular dogmas. They were attacking things I held dear, and that made me defensive, so of course I saw them as arrogant and disruptive.

    real science, rather than trying to prove the non-existence of god.

    Dawkins is an evolutionary biologist, and you might notice he's also written several books about that. If you investigate what he actually does with his time, you'll probably find he spends far more time doing exactly that -- real science.

    You seem to be confused into thinking that all atheists are necessarily "militant atheists", and that this would be the first thing on their minds when they encounter an alien being. That's not the concern at all. The concern is that the last thing we want is to be trying to tell an alien the "good news".

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  18. Re:I do. by grcumb · · Score: 4, Funny

    I do. Next question, please.

    Geez Louise! Dozens of answers already and not a single one of you has suggested Kent Brockman. What is wrong with you people?!?

    Well, I for one do not welcome such a cataclysmic failure in geek cred. Our insect overlords can't get here soon enough, if you ask me.

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  19. Re:I do. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Clearly, Sarah Palin should do the talking for us. This way, the ET's won't bother us, thinking there's no intelligent life on Earth.

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  20. Re:ET Will Pick.. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Population not prone to panics or conspiracy theories, or conditioned hatred towards some other population.

    I'm sorry, I thought they were visiting Earth.

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  21. Re:Davies, ORLY? by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It is possible that our scientists could be mostly wrong about everything.

    And pretty much every scientist out there agrees with you. It's the religious people who can't admit they're wrong, and that's the reason they shouldn't speak for us. Humility would indeed be the best practice.

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  22. Re:I do. by Sulphur · · Score: 3, Funny

    I suggest we let ELIZA do the talking.

    Why are you interested in mutilating our cows.

  23. It's strange no one thought of HIM! by master_p · · Score: 3, Funny

    The one and only...the G.O.A.T...The man who has banged every green chick from here to the Delta Quadrant...

    WILLIAM SHATNER!!!

    Hmmm...now i know why aliens do not dare to land...they obviously mistook ST-TOS for reality...;-)

  24. If ET Calls, Who Speaks For Humanity? by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whoever picks up the phone. Hopefully it will not be one of our "leaders".

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  25. Re:I do. by kiore · · Score: 4, Funny

    Clearly, Sarah Palin should do the talking for us.

    After all, she can see outer space from her back porch.