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Open Source Is Not a Democracy

itwbennett writes "A recent kerfuffle within the Ubuntu community serves as a reminder of an inconvenient truth: open source is not a democracy, writes blogger Brian Proffitt. 'The discussion started innocuously enough, within Bug #532633 in light-themes (Ubuntu) on Launchpad, where the order of the window controls within the Light theme were requested to be re-arranged to be on the upper right side of any given window. Light, it seemed, now placed the buttons on the left side, similar to the Mac OS X interface.' The discussion turned into an argument and culminated in this exchange in which Mark Shuttleworth lays down the law: 'It's fair comment that this was a big change, and landed without warning. There aren't any good reasons for that, but it's also true that no amount of warning would produce consensus about a decision like this... No. This is not a democracy. Good feedback, good data, are welcome. But we are not voting on design decisions.'"

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  1. Re:-1 Troll by mapkinase · · Score: 5, Informative

    May be short summary of what you've said:

    When one says: "this is not democracy" or "this is supposed to be a democracy" he has to specify the scope of the statement.

    Free market system is democratic in a sense that everybody can vote with their dollars between products, but individual companies are not democratic.

    Open source is democratic: one can join different trees or start your own copy, but individual trees (flavors of the project) are not democratic.

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  2. Re:-1 Troll by tgd · · Score: 5, Informative

    Thats anarchy, not democracy.

    Look 'em up.

  3. Re:-1 Troll by HungryHobo · · Score: 5, Informative

    You're free to fix it.
    Set up a site, fork the source and run your site as a true democracy.
    Every decision can be put to a vote.

    When setting it up you can even make sure you're no more equal than anyone else.

  4. Open Source is not Ubuntu by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Okay, Ubuntu is popular. I get it. But it is not the totality of open source. Neither is Linux, for that matter. This example is specifically about Ubuntu, not about open source. Ubuntu is a dictatorship obeying the golden rule; Shuttlewood has the gold so he makes the rules. If you don't like it, fork it or use something different.

    Most open source projects are democracies, although not all votes are equal. Their constituents are people who who contribute something to the project, and the greater the contribution the more say they have in the direction of the project. Contributions come in the form of code, documentation, artwork, bug reports, and money. If you've never contributed any of these things to a project, then you don't get a vote.

    If you have, you get some say, although the person who wrote 90% of the code gets a lot more say than someone who only filed one bug report. People contribute to open source projects because they expect to get something back. In my experience, most developers will put some extra effort into feature requests from people who have contributed something that they consider valuable.

    Ubuntu isn't actually unusual in this respect at all. Shuttlewood contributes the developers' salaries, and they give priority to his feature requests.

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  5. Re:People complaining..... by Volante3192 · · Score: 4, Informative

    He did. He said it's welcome.

    That still does not mean Canonical will do what the complainers want.

  6. Re:Why left? by santax · · Score: 4, Informative

    They want to create room on the right so in a future version they can experiment with 'innovative' options where that space has become available.

  7. Full quote by Meltir · · Score: 5, Informative

    As it often happens the summary is rather sensationalist, as I would not dare accuse anyone of actually RTFA, here's Shuttleworth's full response (with which I could not agree more):

    Mark Shuttleworth wrote on 2010-03-17: Re: [Bug 532633] Re: [light-theme] please revert the order of the window controls back to "menu:minimize, maximize, close" #167

    On 15/03/10 23:42, Pablo Quirós wrote:
    > It'd have been nice if this comment had been made some time ago,
    > together with a deep reasoning on the concrete changes that are in mind.
    >
    > We are supposed to be a community, we all use Ubuntu and contribute to
    > it, and we deserve some respect regarding these kind of decisions. We
    > all make Ubuntu together, or is it a big lie?

    We all make Ubuntu, but we do not all make all of it. In other words, we
    delegate well. We have a kernel team, and they make kernel decisions.
    You don't get to make kernel decisions unless you're in that kernel
    team. You can file bugs and comment, and engage, but you don't get to
    second-guess their decisions. We have a security team. They get to make
    decisions about security. You don't get to see a lot of what they see
    unless you're on that team. We have processes to help make sure we're
    doing a good job of delegation, but being an open community is not the
    same as saying everybody has a say in everything.

    This is a difference between Ubuntu and several other community
    distributions. It may feel less democratic, but it's more meritocratic,
    and most importantly it means (a) we should have the best people making
    any given decision, and (b) it's worth investing your time to become the
    best person to make certain decisions, because you should have that
    competence recognised and rewarded with the freedom to make hard
    decisions and not get second-guessed all the time.

    It's fair comment that this was a big change, and landed without
    warning. There aren't any good reasons for that, but it's also true that
    no amount of warning would produce consensus about a decision like this.

    > If you want to tell us
    > that we are all part of it, we want information, and we want our opinion
    > to be decisive.
    >

    No. This is not a democracy. Good feedback, good data, are welcome. But
    we are not voting on design decisions.

    Mark

  8. No recompile needed by j1976 · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's easy to change even within the current distribution. Steps to fix:

    * Start gconf-editor
    * expand in this order: apps, metacity, general
    * Find entry "button_layout"
    * change it to "menu:minimize,maximize,close"

    The colon separates left side and right side.

  9. Re:-1 Troll by WinterSolstice · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/

    For those who feel a need to have complete control over their own desktops.

    I see the arguments each direction on this one - and my own view is 'whatever happened to letting the users decide themselves?'
    I have spent ages playing with themes on KDE, Gnome, WindowMaker and Enlightenment. If you're not able to customize, just run OSX or Windows and get an OS that someone controls and will actually provide real support for (including paying off vendors to write drivers).

    Linux is supposed to be about the anarchy of self-expression and total control of your machine. Canonical, RedHat, SuSE and many others provide varying levels of 'corporate stability' that you can buy into if you're into that sort of thing.

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  10. Re:-1 Troll by lengau · · Score: 4, Informative

    The point stands, though. Canonical have a team of UI people. The submitter of the bug is not one of them. He can (and has) made a PPA for his preferred version. But he's not high enough in their hierarchy (which probably means not enough of a contributor) to have a say on what Canonical actually do.

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  11. Re:-1 Troll by TeXMaster · · Score: 5, Informative

    Anarchy is direct democracy. I looked it up.

    Well, you looked it up wrong. One of the pillars of anarchy is that man should not have power over man, whereas democracy is based on the idea that the majority should have the power to impose its will over the rest of the population. The only case when anarchy and direct democracy match is when you have a 100% agreement on everything.

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