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High Fructose Corn Syrup Causes Bigger Weight Gain In Rats

krou writes "In an experiment conducted by a Princeton University team, 'Rats with access to high-fructose corn syrup gained significantly more weight than those with access to table sugar, even when their overall caloric intake was the same.' Long-term consumption also 'led to abnormal increases in body fat, especially in the abdomen, and a rise in circulating blood fats called triglycerides.' Psychology professor Bart Hoebel commented that 'When rats are drinking high-fructose corn syrup at levels well below those in soda pop, they're becoming obese — every single one, across the board. Even when rats are fed a high-fat diet, you don't see this; they don't all gain extra weight.'"

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  1. Re:Queue . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Glad to oblige! This story was posted on Science Daily yesterday. They included the following:

    Editor's Note: In response to the above-mentioned study, The Corn Refiners Association issued a statement titled "Gross Errors in Princeton Animal Study on Obesity and High Fructose Corn Syrup: Research in Humans Discredits Princeton Study" (http://www.corn.org/princeton-hfcs-study-errors.html). This link is provided for information only -- no editorial endorsement is implied.

  2. Re:Queue . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    It's "cue".

  3. Re:Not as bad as something else by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sorry, but that blog seems to be a wee bit on the crackpot side of things. The body does not really care how the fructose is administered - when it arrives in the intestine, it is in solution anyway, so no difference whether it comes crystalline or as HFCS. The effect should be the same. The problems that are pointed at in that post are probably true, however. Fructose triggers a lower insulin response than glucose, so the hunger persists despite caloric intake. Also, fructose is metabolized mostly, if not only, in the liver, which causes stress on the organ.

    Usual table sugar - sucrose - is a disaccharide made from one molecule of fructose and one of glucose. The glucose part triggers the insulin production, which signals that you have taken in calories. So, if you use normal sugar instead of HFCS, your body knows that you got energy way faster. That seems to be the main obesity mechanism associated with HFCS.

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  4. Skepticical: Study Results are inconclusive by axjms · · Score: 5, Informative

    Arstechnica.com covered this same study the other day. Their writeup is better than mine would be so why don't you read their article? http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/03/does-high-fructose-corn-syrup-make-you-fatter.ars

    The abridged version of the abridged version is that this study does not conclusively prove much of anything.

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  5. Re:Interesting by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 3, Informative

    Other way round - the corn lobby pushed HFCS over sucrose in the US. The metabolic differences between the two are long known from impartial studies.

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  6. Gatorade switching... by ftobin · · Score: 3, Informative

    Gatorade in the past has had high fructose corn syrup, but over the past several months have begun phasing in a sucrose/dextrose blend. I've actually begun switching from Powerade to Gatorade because of this, even though it's 15% or so more expensive.

    1. Re:Gatorade switching... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Gatorade used to not use HFCS a few years ago. I noticed when they switched to using HCFS and contacted their customer relations department. Here's the response I got from Gatorade:

      To:
        Subject: RE: Gatorade Thirst Quencher , REF.# 026139934A
        Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:58:35 -0500

        RE: Gatorade Thirst Quencher , REF.# 026139934A

        Bertrand:

        Thank you for contacting us about the High Fructose Corn Syrup
        (glucose-fructose syrup) in Gatorade Thirst Quencher. The important
        thing to know is that our formula has not changed. Gatorade contains
        the same scientifically proven blend of three carbohydrates -
        glucose, sucrose and fructose - in specific ratios.

        The glucose and fructose in Gatorade are essential functional
        ingredients required for rapid fluid absorption (an important
        component of hydration) and effective energy delivery. High-fructose
        corn syrup is glucose and fructose, and the body handles these sugars
        in the same way it handles the glucose and fructose provided by
        fruit.

        By way of background, carbohydrate sources do not contain only one
        type of sugar. For instance, table sugar (sucrose) is actually about
        50% glucose and 50% fructose.

        In the US, the term "High Fructose Corn Syrup" applies to both HFCS
        55 which is used in virtually all soft drinks (55% fructose with the
        remainder primarily glucose), and HFCS 42 used in Gatorade (42%
        fructose and the remainder primarily glucose.) In formulating
        Gatorade we use the HFCS 42 together with sucrose to create a blend
        that is appropriately sweet to encourage drinking, contains glucose
        for immediate use by the body, and yet does not contain too much
        fructose which, in large quantities, can cause intestinal distress.

        For weight maintenance, nutritionists agree that a sugar is a sugar
        and that it doesn't matter what your sugar source is. It just
        matters how much you consume. Many experts agree that HFCS has been
        unfairly demonized as a culprit in the obesity epidemic with no
        credible body of scientific research to support this notion.

        The Gatorade formula is continually tested by research scientists
        around the globe and proven on the world's best playing fields. We
        conduct ongoing research through the Gatorade Sports Science
        Institute to explore ways in which we can continue to deliver the
        best products, with the most effective ingredients, to our consumers.

        We hope this information helps you to make a more informed decision,
        Bertrand.

        Gina
        Gatorade Consumer Response

        Original Message:

        Hi. I just wanted to let you know that I am very disappointed in your
        Gatorade product since you started using high-fructose corn syrup as
        one of the ingredients.I used to specifically buy Gatorade rather
        than Powerade because of the fact that the later always contained
        HFCS. But now I will be avoiding both products.
        Thanks
        Bert R
        EMAIL*MESSAGE*END

    2. Re:Gatorade switching... by cats-paw · · Score: 2, Informative

      interesting way to get past this problem is to by the gatorade _mix_ which uses sucrose.
      that's why I've been doing ever since gatorade switched to hfs.

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  7. Re:Patriotism and Elections by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, would your libertarian streak be OK with just not subsidizing so damn much corn, then?

    (The government already is interfering with the system. It's just making us sick thanks to the economic incentives.)

  8. Re:Queue . . . by MBCook · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ars Technica covered this a few days ago, and their analysis (as opposed to the publicity blurb the university made up) said the study basically came out a wash. Some groups saw gains, some didn't, but there was no clear pattern.

    I'm in the "HFCS should be avoided" camp at the moment, but this study doesn't really prove anything.

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  9. ArsTechnica Claims Research Findings Dubious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The guys at ArsTechinca say that a review of the actual publication shows much more questionable results, with contradictory findings between different groups (12hr and 24hr access to HFCS)and variations between repeated tests cycles. HFCS might be bad, but this research is apparently not the smoking gun. Try not to drink a gallon of softdrinks a day and you'll probably be just fine.

    http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/03/does-high-fructose-corn-syrup-make-you-fatter.ars

    Also, some doctors are over hyping the evidence.

    http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/

  10. Re:HFC by tpjunkie · · Score: 5, Informative

    I am a (stressed out) med student studying for a GI physiology exam. Sugars must be broken down in the small intestine to monosaccharides to be absorbed, so sucrose becomes glucose and fructose, lactose (if you're not lactose intolerant) breaks down to glucose and galactose. Glucose and galactose are absorbed via co-transport with sodium via transport proteins. This requires a standing Na+ gradient in the cell, maintained by the Na-K pump, which requires the expenditure of energy. Fructose on the other hand enters the cell by simple facilitated diffusion through the GLUT-5 protein, meaning its transport out of the intestinal lumen requires no energy expenditure. Biochemically it it can enter the glycolytic cycle and is rapidly metabolized in much the same way as glucose.

  11. Re:HFC by maxume · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sucrose is primarily broken down by enzymes in the small intestine.

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  12. Re:Not as bad as something else by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 4, Informative

    You are right on the mechanism. However, there is another step. There is a liver-only fructokinase, which has a way higher Km than the hepatic glucokinase - so basically all fructose in the bloodstream is pulled by GLUT2 into the liver and retained there by phosphorylation through the hepatic fructokinase. The glucose also enters the liver via GLUT2, but is phosphorylated way more slowly, so a significant amount is not retained hepatically by the phosphorylation reaction. The additional liver stress and the main metabolic difference results from the fact that the subsequent metabolizing of F6P in the liver is insulin independent.

    Hope that suffices for starters. For more details, I'd have to break out the literature... and I am stressing my own liver with a decent red wine way too much for that at the moment ;)

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  13. Re:Queue . . . by Graff · · Score: 3, Informative
  14. Re:Queue . . . by smaddox · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sugar in general should be avoided. Fructose, which is the bad half of sugar and HFCS, is the culprit. It can only be processed by the liver, and during processing it wreaks havoc on the body's systems for controlling hunger, satiation, insulin, etc.

    Take the time to watch this talk by Robert H. Lustig, MD, UCSF Professor of Pediatrics in the Division of Endocrinology. It might save your life (by extending your life).

  15. Re:Not as bad as something else by Mindcontrolled · · Score: 3, Informative

    Cough... brainfart. Not the F6P metabolism - which is obviously the normal glycolytic path, but the fructokinase reaction in the liver is insulin independent, in contrast to the usual glucokinase-catalyzed first step of glycolysis.

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  16. Re:Skepticical: Study Results are inconclusive by sarkeizen · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm more in the "let's all get our caloric intake to a reasonable level before we start bothering with this kind of diatary micromanagement" camp.

  17. Re:In humans too... by confused+one · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's not an insightful "Duh". While it's not totally new, this is one of the first long term studies comparing consumption of different forms of sugar. The study showed there's a distinct difference between consuming equal amounts of sucrose from sugarcane and fructose from corn. Even the rats that were fed twice as much sucrose didn't gain weight like the rats being fed fructose.

  18. How do you balance the energy budget? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Disclaimer: I am a physicist, not a biologist.

    HFCS is fructose and glucose. Table sugar is sucrose. Sucrose is decomposed into glucose and fructose by an enzymatic reaction in the small intestine. This study purports that ingesting equal-energy amounts of one set of molecules versus the other allows accrual in the body of a larger amount of energy (i.e. fat). The addition of the step decomposing sucrose into fructose and glucose is somehow dissipating a large amount of energy.

    Where is all that extra energy going? Are we just excreting extra sucrose? Does the body somehow need to spend energy producing more sucrase when you ingest sucrose? Does the mere presence of sucrose trigger some other energy-expending mechanism that we don't understand? WTF is going on in there?

    TFA postulates that the 42-55 HFCS glucose-fructose ratio might be to blame. That would be trivial to test with a 50-50 HFCS concoction. If slightly rejiggering the ratio of sugars in HFCS could radically reduce obesity, it would be a huge health breakthrough.

  19. Re:What! by confused+one · · Score: 2, Informative

    Brown sugar is just the second (or third) extraction in sugar processing. It's still sugar, with molasses in it. Granulated sugar is not bleached, it's the first pass, pure extracted sugar from the processing of sugarcane or sugar beets.

    Honey is concentrated bee barf. Tasty, but gross.

  20. Re:Queue . . . by Hatta · · Score: 2, Informative

    LOL, just realized this was satire. Very well done.

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  21. Re:Queue . . . by cheesybagel · · Score: 2, Informative

    In the US there are import tariffs on imported sucrose and subsidies to corn growers. What little US grown sucrose there is comes usually from Florida sugarcane. Unlike in the EU, sucrose from sugar beets is rare.

  22. Re:Queue . . . by RyanFenton · · Score: 5, Informative

    Make your own ketchup - it's REALLY easy, actually - just google for recipes. It's pretty much just tomato, vinegar, onion powder, and sugar (salt and oil optional), plus perhaps a little starch to get the right texture. Buy canned tomatoes in bulk, throw a can or so of them into a blender with everything else, cook and stir until smooth and even, then put it into a container in the fridge. Cleanup is just running water over everything. 15 minutes work for as much as you want to make. Incidentally, a little more sugar/oil/vinegar makes it into french dressing.

    There you go - good ketchup without HFCS.

    Ryan Fenton

  23. Re:HFC by BobPaul · · Score: 5, Informative

    HFCF is fructose and sucrose. Fructose is absorbed by the small intestine. Sucrose (table sugar) is broken down in the stomach and small intestine into 1 glucose molecule and 1 fructose molecule, which are then both absorbed by the small intestine. So, either way you get fructose, big deal, right? That's the conventional wisdom.

    But lets look further. If you eat 1 tablespoon of HCFC 55 (equal in sweetness to 1 tablespoon sucrose), you get .55 tablespoons of fructose and .45 tablespoons of sucrose. That sucrose is turned into half fructose and half glucose before entering the bloodstream. So in reality you ate .775 tablespoons of fructose and .225 tablespoons of glucose. This is significantly more fructose than if you had eaten 1 tablespoon of sucrose. And if you're consuming sugar water (as in the study) or lots and lots of soda, you're consuming far more than a tablespoon.

    Of course your claim that it's "absorbed ... in the same way that beer and alcohol is. In the liver" isn't quite correct. They're all absorbed by the small intestine, but it's true they are metabolized by the liver, albeit in completely different ways. What's might be important about the liver, though, is that it's not regulated by insulin. While glucose can be metabolized by any of the bodies cells, insulin regulates blood glucose levels. Fructose is only processed by the liver and is indifferent to insulin levels. So (in a layman's, but more detailed explanation) when you eat that 1 tablespoon of table sugar, you get half a tablespoon of unregulated sugar and half regulated. Eat the HFCF55 and most of the sugar is unregulated.

    As an aside, honey is almost identical in composition to HFCF55, so if you meet any holistics bemoaning HFCF and championing honey, you can tell them to screw off.

  24. Re:HFC by BobPaul · · Score: 3, Informative

    1 Sucrose is broken down to 1 glucose and 1 fructose in any slightly acidic environment. This includes the stomach and upper small intestine. Glucose and fructose freely pass the intestinal walls into the bloodstream where fructose is metabolized by the liver and glucose is metabolized by any body cell.

  25. Re:HFC by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Informative

    And now, with this study, we can state with a fair degree of certainty that the AMA was wrong. So now, hopefully, this will put to rest the question of whether the rise in HFCS has caused the temporally coincident rise in obesity in the U.S. (which was previously only suspected due to correlation) so researchers can focus on the more important question of why the body treats it differently.

    But it won't. This isn't the first study that has suggested a strong causal link between HFCS and obesity. This one will be ignored by the nay-sayers just like all the others. (Note that some of those links aren't to studies, but rather to papers about the studies, etc., but the links in their references are staggering.) *sigh*

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  26. Re:It's all about the fiber by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Informative

    All fructose is processed by the liver in the same way as alcohol. That includes fruit juice.

    All this changes in the presence of fiber. If you eat a piece of fresh fruit, the fiber in the fruit changes the way the fructose from the fruit is absorbed so it's not such a huge shock to the liver.

    Fruit juice != fruit.
    Drinking a tall glass of orange juice is the equivalent of eating 6~8 oranges, but without the fibers.
    Your liver treats the massive sugar dump much differently than eating the equivalent # of [fruit].

    The FDA wants to toss fruit juices into the same category of "bad" drinks as sugar laden sodas.

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  27. Re:give me more of that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Cane sugar is far more efficient to produce than corn sweetener but is primarily produced in tropical and subtropical regions outside of the United States.

    While this is true, sugar beets are a perfectly valid substitute that grows well in large parts of the country, often in areas that are not ideal for agriculture. The top beet-producing state is Minnesota and states like California where other crops grow well during spring and summer can easily grow beets during the winter months.

    If we increased our dependence on sugar beets instead of corn for sweetening our food, we could still be self-sufficient without importing from countries in tropical regions, including that communist one just south of Florida that played a major role in our protectionist policies to begin with.

  28. Re:Queue . . . by Martin+Blank · · Score: 2, Informative

    Whole Foods does stock products with HFCS in them, just not as many as most stores. Their only hard and fast rules are no trans-fats, and no artificial colors.

    BTW, I know a couple of people who shop fairly religiously at Whole Foods. They clued me in to the nickname of "Whole Paycheck" not long ago. They eat healthier, but they both admit that they pay substantially more for the ability to do so.

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  29. Re:Pepsi and Mountain Dew Throwback! by yashachan · · Score: 1, Informative

    My boyfriend and I picked up a bottle of the "throwback" Pepsi at WalMart. The checker said she'd heard it tasted like diet. I took one sip and wanted to throw up. Which is the same response I have to diet Pepsi. On the other hand, Coke from Mexico doesn't use corn syrup, and it's absolutely amazing.

  30. Re:Pepsi and Mountain Dew Throwback! by kshade · · Score: 2, Informative

    Costco sold real sugar Coke from Mexico (Mexicoke) during Passover for the Jews who won't eat corn-syrup. I almost converted to Judaism because they're on to something...it was awesome. We couldn't stop drinking it, and I'd pay double to get it any time of year over the corn-syrup stuff, which I rarely buy.

    Funny, I just checked Wikipedia and found out that here in Europe and in Asia cola is usually sweetened with "normal" table sugar (made from sugar beet/sugarcane). Only Americans seem to get the corn syrup stuff. I feel sorry for you guys, you invented the stuff and get the worst version.

  31. Re:In humans too... by pydev · · Score: 3, Informative

    It has the same number of calories as Sugar. It breaks-down in the body the same way (fructose and glucose). There's no real difference.

    With carbohydrates, it's all in the timing--the slower they are delivered, the better. HFCS is a mixture of monosaccharides, which can be absorbed directly, so anything you consume goes directly into the bloodstream. Sucrose needs to be broken down first, and that can only happen at a limited rate.

  32. Re:HFC by pydev · · Score: 5, Informative

    Fructose is the culprit. But there are differences. Pure fructose is hard to absorb. Fructose in fruit is released only slowly. Both are probably OK. Fructose in sucrose needs to be split off before being absorbed, which seems to limit its rate; at normal sucrose concentrations, the fructose is also absorbed more slowly than the glucose.

    HFCS is the worst of the bunch: it doesn't need to be split, and the 1:1 fructose/glucose ratio is ideal for rapid absorption, and both sugars peak simultaneously, putting a large load on the liver.

    So, you're fine with moderate sucrose consumption (disaccharides) and eating fruit till you burst (fructose+fiber). Pure fructose is iffy. And HFCS is a no-no.

  33. Re:Queue . . . by navyjeff · · Score: 2, Informative

    Has anyone done one of those "Fahrenheit 9/11" or "sicko" style documentaries exposing American agribusiness and all the stuff they dont want you to know?

    Yes.

    King Corn

    Food, Inc.

  34. Re:HFC by pydev · · Score: 2, Informative

    Biochemically [fructose] can enter the glycolytic cycle and is rapidly metabolized in much the same way as glucose.

    Fructose is only metabolized when there is fructokinase available, and that exists only in the liver (well, and in sperm). Glucose, on the other hand, can be metabolized by just about every cell in the body. This has big implications for obesity and health. In addition, fructose seems to affect appetite differently from glucose. See the links below.

    http://www.medbio.info/Horn/Time%201-2/carbohydrate_metabolism.htm

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090325091811.htm

  35. Re:Queue . . . by Wheat · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yeah, I've looked at my local Whole Foods for HFCS. It's in many of their salad dressings and barbecue sauces they carry. Although to be fair, there are more trace amounts of HFCS, they don't carry things like HFCS-sweetened bread. However, they do stock and sell agave nectar syrup (and market it fairly aggressively as end-cap displays) and agave nectar syrup is even worse than HFCS.

  36. Re:HFC by inKubus · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here's the federal standards for corn syrup: In General and Glucose syrup analytics.

    You'll see that they only verify a few basic things. There are no standards for the amount of enzymes, pH, other contaminants, etc. Considering it's a 9-step process, there is a lot of room for contaminants to be introduced or not removed. I highly recommend not eating it if you're reading this ;)

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  37. Re:HFC by pydev · · Score: 4, Informative

    Parent is about 50% factually incorrect. See the earlier med student's response for the true metabolic process.

    Bullshit. Go read up on the facts yourself before you start mouthing off:

    http://www.medbio.info/Horn/Time%201-2/carbohydrate_metabolism.htm

  38. Re:HFC by julesh · · Score: 2, Informative

    Trouble is...HFCS is in fucking everything..

    Move. Here in the UK, you hardly ever see it (and yes, I'm aware of the terminology difference: we call it inverted sugar syrup here).

  39. Re:In humans too... by Svartalf · · Score: 4, Informative

    Heh...

    There's been a few other long-term studies that were done that were claimed "inconclusive" prior to this one. Most of them showed there was a serious problem with HFCS, but this one goes further to show that it's worse than many thought of the stuff.

    If you're counting calories- it's identical. That's what the producers of HFCS would have you believe is all that matters.

    The problem is that it isn't identical. Not even close.

    The fructose is in an immediately available fashion to your body, which means it's absorbed on the spot, unlike sucrose which has to be cracked apart first. From there it lies in your blood stream until your liver can utilize it. Your liver absorbs and converts some of this fructose into it's roughly one day's store of glycogen. Once it has a day's worth of reserve, it starts converting the rest as it gets to it into triglycerides and fatty tissue within the liver (Look up "fatty liver disease" via Google...). While it's waiting to be converted the pancreas sees the sugar levels rise and tries to pull the sugar OUT of the blood stream by increasing insulin levels. Unfortunately, only glucose responds directly to the insulin part of your hormone system- fructose is largely processed by your liver and only your liver. This has the predictable effect of yanking the glucose out of your blood stream. At some threshold, the body detects problems caused by the sugars being ripped out of your system by that and starts producing glucagon which orders the liver to start converting the glycogen in it's store back into glucose. Over time, this swinging, the triglycerides, and the other stuff going on combine to provide leptin resistance and insulin resistance- which are the hallmark signs of Type 2 Diabetes, something we're supposedly having an "epidemic" of in the "Western" world.

    And this doesn't even get into the traces of mercury and other chemicals you're exposed to when you eat HFCS as part of your diet.

    In the end, while you do need Fructose, you don't need the quantities that the Western populace seem to consume, nor do you need or want it in the form that we're exposed to it.

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  40. Re:Queue . . . by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's the same reason that marijuana is illegal. The cotton lobby made it illegal because they feared hemp.

    What? Paper is a more credible enemy; Hearst used his newspaper to publish lies about Marijuana, at least in part because it threatened his timber paper business. But he was just one piece of the puzzle. Cotton won over Hemp because, at the time, cotton could be processed by machine and hemp could not. Mechanical processing for hemp wasn't available until a bit before World War II, at which time it was considered desirable as a warmaking supply.

    But at least the rest of the world tastes our HFCS and doesn't use it...

    In fact, our food exports have been deprecated across much of the world. The EU doesn't want our GMO cereals. Nobody wants our hormone-laden milk. Rice has gone GMO as well, and our largest customers don't want it. We permit many additives that the EU doesn't.

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  41. Re:HFC by jelle · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's not easy but also not impossible, and it seems to be improving a bit over the last year or two. Bread from the bakery department doesn't always have hfcs, nor do many 'pepperidge farm' branded prepackaged breads. The latter used to be one of the very few options in my local supermarkets, but now there are some more brands that are also hfcs free. Some even loudly advertise it on their labels. I really prefer to make it at home with the bread machine, but to be honest I'm usually just too lazy or not thinking ahead enough to even pour the ingredients in the machine...

    Even though I don't drink much soda anymore: I saw some hfcs free pepsi products in the store recently too, as some kind of special, and there is of course Jones Soda which doesn't have it. Also, the mixes from the sodastream company don't have hfcs, and their diet sodas use sucralose (splenda) instead of aspartame.

    Note that in Europe, where obesity is a smaller problem, hfcs usage in food is also much smaller, if not virtually nonexistent, and most (non-diet) products are simply sweetened with sugar. It doesn't prove anything, but I see smoke, so I'm trying to reduce my exposure to it...

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