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Perelman Urged To Accept $1m Prize

krou writes "The Warm Home charity in St. Petersburg, Grigory Perelman's home-town, has urged the math genius and recluse to accept the $1m Millennium Prize for solving the Poincaré conjecture, and donate it to charities. Perelman has refused to accept the award, telling one reporter through the closed door of his flat, 'I have all I want,' and another who managed to call him on his mobile, 'You are disturbing me. I am picking mushrooms.'"

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  1. This is hilarious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Patron saint of basement dwellers everywhere.

    1. Re:This is hilarious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually I read a interview with him at some point (I think in the New Yorker), and he really doesn't want the limelight.

      Since his discovery, he's had offers from major universities to work, and he's turned them all down.

      He really didn't do this for the glory. He is one of those few, rare individuals who achieved great things solely because they were there. Humble. Strange. Special in some way.

      I honestly admire this man. He has solved one of the most important problems of our time (and others' time) and his only wish is that other people take it further, purely for the sake of knowledge and understanding. Not for awards. Not for riches. Not for fame. Simply for knowledge.

      We may not understand him. Quite likely he doesn't understand us.

      He may not accept our riches, but he has given us something far far greater than mere money. Leave him be.

    2. Re:This is hilarious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, just remember that genius and madness are only separated by a thin line.

      Some people aren't as fixated on money or socializing and gossip as journalists and Trolls are. Not wanting to be part of the In-Crowd does NOT make a person insane, or on the verge of insanity. Some people, like me, program for a hobby. Some people even write poetry without the intent of having it published. It makes us weird compared to the Trolls and socialites out there. But it doesn't make us crazy.

    3. Re:This is hilarious by nazsco · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > Yeah, just remember that genius and madness are only separated by a thin line.

      In this case it isnt so.

      He is genius. he knows more math then you do. and he knows more about a good life then you do.

      because you dont understand him, considers him a madman on both accounts probably. Only so in the math part someone already told you to belive that he is a genius. not that you would understand it too. as you do not understand his views on a good life.

    4. Re:This is hilarious by mjwx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, just remember that genius and madness are only separated by a thin line.

      The poor bloke just wants to do math and pick mushrooms. There's nothing wrong with him just because he doesn't fit into the "nuclear" society mould.

      --
      Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
    5. Re:This is hilarious by palegray.net · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is not a good life by any measure.

      Precisely who the hell are you to make that call? You're certainly not him.

    6. Re:This is hilarious by rdelcueto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What exactly you mean by "This is not a good life by any measure", and just how the hell are you "measuring" his life? The guy says he has everything he wants. The fact that you don't understand or want his way of life (or what you've read he's life is), doesn't mean there's something wrong with it. People need to mind their own shit, and help by keeping their mouth shut and not doing this void judgments on others.

    7. Re:This is hilarious by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sanity is defined as having "soundness of mind and judgment." Being able to prove the Poincaré conjecture implies at least sound judgment in a logical sense in order to understand the proof, and clearly enough soundness of mind to compose a readable paper describing the proof. Perhaps you are confusing arbitrary personal lifestyle choices and a refusal to adhere to common social norms with some form of insanity. At worst, you might call it "asocial" or "antisocial", but that is hardly insane.

    8. Re:This is hilarious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He lives in a small apartment with his mother and doesn't talk to anyone. This is not a good life by any measure.

      I'm the AC near the top of this thread. I'm in my 40's and live in my parents basement (yeah I know, I'm a living stereotype of how not to turn out). I try to avoid talking to people (except for the occasional comment on Slashdot). I was going to ignore your comment before you got up-moderated. I wish people like you would be able to have the intellectual ability to realize that what you say is not only offensive, prejudiced, biased, illogical, and outright wrong; but has absolutely no basis in reality. Not wanting to socialize with people is a GOOD thing, it isn't a bad thing. But, like usual, assholes like you will judge me by my ability and willingness to socialize, instead of by my intelligence, logic, or morality. The ironic thing about you and your type is that it just re-enforces my beliefs that actually talking to people is a waste of time and will likely end up in people insulting me because I live in my mothers basement trying to improve my mind by doing programming assignments, practicing Mathematics, reading psychology, instead of socializing and gossiping and making value judgments on people.

    9. Re:This is hilarious by algormortis · · Score: 5, Informative

      Your definition of sanity does not apply simply because the man is intelligent. For example, think of John Nash, the Nobel Prize Winner with schizophrenia. That guy hallucinated to the point where he thought he had a roommate throughout college, even though he lived in a single by himself.

    10. Re:This is hilarious by stygianguest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      One could consider it his moral duty to teach others. Teaching is severely underrated in research communities. Good teachers probably deliver more scientific advancement to society than anyone else. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if he is a terrible teacher.

    11. Re:This is hilarious by quintessencesluglord · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Tell me: is this becoming mentally unstable and unable to cope interacting with society or not? I mean becoming unstable in one's solitude is one thing; becoming unstable when society intrudes on your solitude is quite another.

      Further, are you differentiating between chosen solitude and enforced solitude, because those would have very different effects.

      Finally, his is social within the confines of his family. Social has many different dimensions. To pick and choose which aspects you want to interact with seems damn near idealized to me.

      It sounds more like you are advocating for social convention hiding behind psychology. Epicurus would like to have a word with you.

    12. Re:This is hilarious by Von+Helmet · · Score: 4, Informative

      While that's what happened in the film, that's not what happened in real life. According to Wikipedia he never had visual hallucinations, and only heard voices from 1964 onwards, 5 years after being diagnosed with schizophrenia.

  2. I have an idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe leave the guy alone like he wants?

    1. Re:I have an idea... by nschubach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sounds like a plan to me. I'd be pissed off if people kept bugging me as well. Just take the money he doesn't want and give it to a math oriented scholarship fund or something.

      --
      Every time I start to have faith in humanity, I ruin it by driving to work between 7 and 8 am.
    2. Re:I have an idea... by jcr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Best idea I've heard yet. The right to be left alone is one of the most important ones we have.

      -jcr

      --
      The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
    3. Re:I have an idea... by clarkkent09 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Still better to take it. A million would easily pay for building a moat around his house as well as for some sharks and lasers.

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      Negative moral value of force outweighs the positive value of good intentions.
    4. Re:I have an idea... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unless you are a seriously odd duck, attention that you have to shun in order to continue getting seems like a pretty lame reward.

      Within the field of mathematics, a lifetime of fame is his pretty much no matter what he does. He has the proof, he doesn't have to play act.

      Outside of mathematics, there are a fair few things you could do for $1,000,000, particularly on vacation to somewhere with a lower cost of living index, that could keep you in the tabloids for weeks, or surrounded by enthusiastic companions for longer than that, until the cash runs out.

      I'm betting that he is the real deal. If he got off on attention, he could just accept the cash, be up to his eyes for a month solid in hookers and blow somewhere nice and tropical, and then spend however long he wanted basking in honorary doctorates and crowds of adoring mathematics departments the world over.

    5. Re:I have an idea... by TapeCutter · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "Am I the only one who thinks this guy is getting off on all the attention he is getting by pretending to be a recluse who doesn't want any attention or money."

      No there are a couple of other posters who also don't get it.

      Spinoza..."is considered one of the great rationalists of 17th-century philosophy, laying the groundwork for the 18th century Enlightenment and modern biblical criticism.....Spinoza is considered to be one of Western philosophy's most important philosophers...Spinoza lived quietly as a lens grinder, turning down rewards and honors throughout his life, including prestigious teaching positions"

      --
      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    6. Re:I have an idea... by Tynin · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sounds like a plan to me. I'd be pissed off if people kept bugging me as well. Just take the money he doesn't want and give it to a math oriented scholarship fund or something.

      and yet maybe if you had a clue about where he was coming from you'd know it was the same math community that fucked him over that you suggest giving blindly too.... not that I dont disagree with teaching math on all levels to those that want it., but it is more immersive than that at a higher level (not just a give it to math scholarships and call it a day (yet I can see your point, but his as well). he was at the height of mathadamia (yay for made up words) and what he saw there was nothing short of cut throat... I'm four sheets to the wind, but please look up some of my earlier arguments.... ah fuck it, here is my earlier discussion on him: http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1484928&cid=30508008

      and really, dont take it from me, read the new yorker piece on him (I ref in my link). he is something special. not just some stuck up asshole looking for an albeit good for him negitive bit of PR.

    7. Re:I have an idea... by oljanx · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually, no. You see, sharks are very large creatures with special needs. You can't just dig up a moat and stick sharks in it. Picture something like Sea World, and then imagine it your front yard. Then figure in the difficulty of training sharks to properly use high-powered laser beams. It's quite a bit more expensive than you might think, not something within the reach of your average millionaire. Trust me, I know.

  3. This guy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is a total badass, he sets the standard for life.

  4. I'm amazed he has a mobile by LittleBigScript · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe try his facebook.

    They don't make recluses like they used to.

  5. 'Your disturbing me. I'm picking mushrooms' by Kitkoan · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now I know how he figured it out at least. He went out, picked magic mushrooms, ate them and let the universe tell him the answer. No wonder he doesn't want the prize, it should be given to the great mushroom spirits.

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    Attention... all grammer nazi"s! Is they're anything; wrong with: my post,
    1. Re:'Your disturbing me. I'm picking mushrooms' by FooBarWidget · · Score: 3, Funny

      Rumor has it that anyone who eats those mushrooms will become twice as tall and have the power to break bricks.

    2. Re:'Your disturbing me. I'm picking mushrooms' by roman_mir · · Score: 3, Informative

      It is a funny quote in the context of most people from the Americas, understand that in Russia, specifically St Petersburg there are millions of people who eat mushrooms, not the magic kind, the good stuff, eatable. He picks mushrooms in St. Peterburg's parks, they are huge parks, also there are forests right outside the city.

      People really eat mushrooms and berries that they pick, it is a tradition and a free source of food. I highly HIGHLY doubt that he does almost anything that changes his perception of reality at all. His perception is very acutely tuned, apparently he has very very strong moral compass, to the point of obsessiveness.

  6. Just leave him alone.. by gyepi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He probably wants nothing more than being left alone. It's ironic that he doesn't seem to grasp that his eccentric behavior makes that even more difficult to achieve.

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    Attitudes make the difference between Space and Time: we want to MAX our temporal, and MIN our spatial extension.
  7. Ah... an Oscar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This latest snub follows his refusal in 2006 to collect the maths equivalent of an Oscar, the Fields Medal.

    Its sad that the Fields medal is being compared to the Oscars - don't get me wrong, the Oscars are high honors in their fields - but comparing the lifetime of dedication scientists and mathematicians put into their work to the winner of 'Best miniskirt on hot actress in a running scene' doesn't seem right.

  8. Re:Tools by Itninja · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah. I mean I used my car to totally kick ass in last years Boston Marathon. I finished it in like 15 minutes. The officcial were real d-bags though and refused to declare me the winner.

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  9. Not for this reason by Beetle+B. · · Score: 5, Interesting

    He's rejecting it on principled grounds. Regardless of what you think about those principles, he simply can't do this just for short term charity.

    When he rejected the Field's medal, he simply said to the effect of, "If I take the money, I'd be obligated to correct the wrongs I see, otherwise I'd be a hypocrite. I don't want to be the one making that crusade, so I have to reject the money." (Remember the scene in Thank You For Not Smoking?) It's a simple, logical response. He may be a recluse and all, but there's nothing strange about his refusal to take the money.

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    Beetle B.
  10. self defeating by nedlohs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Refusing a $1 million prize will, I suspect, generate more, of the attention he doesn't want.

    The journalists camped outside his home and calling his cell phone don't give a crap about some obscure piece of mathematics - they care about the weirdo who is turning down a fortune.

  11. Mother and Sister? by Prien715 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If he's jobless and living with his family, the least the foundation could do is contact his family and ask if they'd like the money for rent, food, etc. They're essentially paying for his work and even if he doesn't want the prize, they could give it to his family quietly so he can continue to do his work without someone having to worry about rent.

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    -- Political fascism requires a Fuhrer.
    1. Re:Mother and Sister? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      From what I can recall, his mother and sister are similarly minded as he himself is.

      Thus, they too would refuse the money.

      Is integrity such a rare thing these days, that everybody freaks the fuck out when they see it, call the person exhibiting it "Strange", and "Weird"?

      Because that is what seems to be happening from my vantage point.

      Seriously, just stop harassing the man. The doesn't want any prizes, additional prestige, or some fucking trophy for his wall. He solved the conjecture, his name will be in math books for the rest of eternity, and that is prize enough for him. Just leave him the fuck alone already.

    2. Re:Mother and Sister? by Nialin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is integrity such a rare thing these days, that everybody freaks the fuck out when they see it, call the person exhibiting it "Strange", and "Weird

      Of course! Things are only "strange" or "weird" because they are outside the norm. If integrity were the norm, the situation would be quite different. Wouldn't you agree?

  12. Quit bothering the guy by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Quit bothering the guy already.

    He's sensible enough to know that if he accepts, people will want him to give speeches, attend talks, and will generally waste his time. Feynman once pointed out that winning a Nobel Prize meant that he heard from many people he really didn't want to talk to. Feynman sometimes gave talks under a pseudonym, so that only the people really interested in the subject matter would show up.

  13. what mushrooms? by slonik · · Score: 3, Insightful

    and another who managed to call him on his mobile, 'You are disturbing me. I am picking mushrooms.'

    Just check the weather in St.Petersburg, Russia. It is still too cold there for any mushrooms to grow. So much for journalist's integrity.

  14. Oblig. Good Will Hunting quote by dfarcanjo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Will: Oh, come on! What? Why is it always this? I mean, I fuckin' owe it to myself to do this or that. What if I don't want to?
    Chuckie: No. No, no no no. Fuck you, you don't owe it to yourself man, you owe it to me. Cuz tomorrow I'm gonna wake up and I'll be 50, and I'll still be doin' this shit. And that's all right. That's fine. I mean, you're sittin' on a winnin' lottery ticket. And you're too much of a pussy to cash it in, and that's bullshit. 'Cause I'd do fuckin' anything to have what you got. So would any of these fuckin' guys. It'd be an insult to us if you're still here in 20 years. Hangin' around here is a fuckin' waste of your time.

    <b> mine.

  15. An artform. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think Perelman is not so much a weirdo, but an aesthetic artist of sorts--he's been hurt by the fact that humans have tried to monetize something he considers to be beautiful...as if you could place a price on Shakespeare or a price-tag on Emily Dickinsons' poems.

    1. Re:An artform. by fyoder · · Score: 5, Funny

      as if you could place a price on Shakespeare or a price-tag on Emily Dickinsons' poems.

      Shakespeare : $26.40

      Emily Dickinson : $14.95

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      Loose lips lose spit.
    2. Re:An artform. by jjohnson · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Shakespeare certainly didn't write for art. If he were alive today he'd be Jerry Bruckheimer or Michael Bay. Throughout his life he made a reasonable living producing plays that had large audiences from all levels of society. He wasn't writing for posterity, he was writing to sell tickets, and his plays reflect that: Kings and Queens, forbidden love and betrayal, lots of opportunities for swordfights to be staged, and comedy that still holds up today if performed well.

      The only reason he seems like a God among writers is that, because he was popular, his plays survived. He wrote very little that was original in concept; he was constantly borrowing from other, earlier playwrights and from popular stories of the day. The (now) archaic English gives it a patina of high art, but that's our faulty perspective, not his intent.

      If that depresses you, it's only because in 500 years, there will be revival companies performing Top Gun and Die Hard rather than Driving Miss Daisy.

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      Anyone who loves or hates any language, platform, or manufacturer, doesn't know what they're talking about.
  16. Re:Tools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Seriously man, take the million."

    I suspect that in Russia, as in other places, large amounts of cash, even if given away, attracts the attention of all sorts of unwelcome characters. The government with taxes; receiving the reward leads to paperwork which if not everything is in order can lead to huge repercussions, like jail time. Criminals who will only hear you received a lump sum, not that you gave it away. Reporters who are only bothering you now but will instead be critical of how you spent the money or attack your decison making (why that charity?). Charities for not being on the receiving end of your generosity. Pesky social people wanting to get a piece, such as women or men (depending on how you spin, and maybe the 'or' should be an 'and') showing up, despite you being in a happy relationship already, maybe even disrupting that.

    Right now he's an interesting story. If he accepts the million, he's an interesting story and rich, and the additional story of what he does with the million becomes a reality.

    Hell, when the economy went to shit here in the US, just look at the nasty backlash online, even here on /.; people were attacking ALL upper class simply because they were rich, not because they had done wrong. It was guilt by association.

    Maybe this recluse has his reasons and understands the world far better than you know.

  17. Not Married by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny

    He must not be married. If I turned down a mil, my wife would kill me, dig me back up, kill me again, film it all, and sell the film rights to recoup it.

  18. Re:An ordinary man... by mjwx · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...can never understand/quantify what a genius wants.

    When I use that excuse to justify my interest in Thai prostitutes they call me insane. When I use that excuse on slashdot they call me a troll.

    --
    Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
  19. Re:Mr. Perelman by c6gunner · · Score: 4, Funny

    Because he is courageous enough to reject $1m. Are you?

    No, but I'm so heroic I've managed to reject the temptation to sleep with Natalie Portman. That's WAY more heroic!

  20. it's more about us, less about him by blueworm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This bit is more about our personal dissatisfaction with our lives, as the readers, having to do things we don't like for money. It's more about a dissatisfaction with the economic system and less about this mathematician, or ex-mathematician. This dissatisfaction leads us to react to any declination of money with shock. The real key to freedom is living with very little and very humbly such that we "work" less and live more enjoyably, where "work" is here defined as any activity done more for money and less for personal enjoyment.

    Even Richard M. Stallman himself has suggested this:

    "I live like a student, basically. And I like that, because it means that money is not telling me what to do."
    -- Richard M. Stallman
    http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/fsfs/rms-essays.pdf
    Pg. 164

  21. Have they tried reverse psychology? by ciaran_o_riordan · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ah, never mind, you're probably not smart enough to take the money.

  22. how about a new price? by managementboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What the comity could do is take the million and invest it at say 3%. Create a new price called the Perelman price and give the interests away to the winner every 5 years.

  23. you are a scared little one, aren't you? by roman_mir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does Perelman not taking the money scare you?

    Does he offend you?

    Does he entice a violent reaction in you?

    Do you hate it, when someone sticks out of the crowd not out of a desire to be more 'cool looking' but simply because he does not need the crowd?

    Take the money and give it to charity, you self-important Shit

    - why don't you go and find him and beat him into submission to your own standards, that will hopefully satisfy your primordial craving to make sure nobody is different and whoever is different they are destroyed, so that the coherency of the group is in balance yet again?

  24. I think you misunderstand him by jonaskoelker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He solved the conjecture, his name will be in math books for the rest of eternity, and that is prize enough for him.

    I think you're either misunderstanding him, or replacing his wants by your own.

    I think it's more like this: he solved the conjecture, and that is prize enough for him.

  25. May be OK for him, but how about his mom and sis? by TheLink · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It may be a good life for him, and that's all he thinks he needs. But that may not be so true for the people who are providing for his needs.

    No, I don't think he is providing for his needs (he doesn't look capable of doing it) - I think his mother and/or sister are/is.

    So if it were up to me, I'd actually use the money to provide a monthly stipend to his mother and sister (for as long as Perelman continues to be supported by them).

    Since he doesn't want the money, I think it's fair to give it to the ones who supported him, since without them he might not have survived to solve the problem.

    IMO giving a monthly amount is better than a lump sum. Since it is more likely that Perelman would benefit in the long term.

    I think it's also a good idea to give the mom and sister a one time sum of money as a gift - on top of that monthly amount.

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