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Perelman Urged To Accept $1m Prize

krou writes "The Warm Home charity in St. Petersburg, Grigory Perelman's home-town, has urged the math genius and recluse to accept the $1m Millennium Prize for solving the Poincaré conjecture, and donate it to charities. Perelman has refused to accept the award, telling one reporter through the closed door of his flat, 'I have all I want,' and another who managed to call him on his mobile, 'You are disturbing me. I am picking mushrooms.'"

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  1. This is hilarious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Patron saint of basement dwellers everywhere.

    1. Re:This is hilarious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, I suspect his disposition is what enabled him to make this discovery. Human progress can't all be achieved by preppie facebook overachievers. Some crazy is needed for the truly genius results.

    2. Re:This is hilarious by Kitkoan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, I suspect his disposition is what enabled him to make this discovery. Human progress can't all be achieved by preppie facebook overachievers. Some crazy is needed for the truly genius results.

      Yeah, just remember that genius and madness are only separated by a thin line.

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    3. Re:This is hilarious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually I read a interview with him at some point (I think in the New Yorker), and he really doesn't want the limelight.

      Since his discovery, he's had offers from major universities to work, and he's turned them all down.

      He really didn't do this for the glory. He is one of those few, rare individuals who achieved great things solely because they were there. Humble. Strange. Special in some way.

      I honestly admire this man. He has solved one of the most important problems of our time (and others' time) and his only wish is that other people take it further, purely for the sake of knowledge and understanding. Not for awards. Not for riches. Not for fame. Simply for knowledge.

      We may not understand him. Quite likely he doesn't understand us.

      He may not accept our riches, but he has given us something far far greater than mere money. Leave him be.

    4. Re:This is hilarious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, just remember that genius and madness are only separated by a thin line.

      Some people aren't as fixated on money or socializing and gossip as journalists and Trolls are. Not wanting to be part of the In-Crowd does NOT make a person insane, or on the verge of insanity. Some people, like me, program for a hobby. Some people even write poetry without the intent of having it published. It makes us weird compared to the Trolls and socialites out there. But it doesn't make us crazy.

    5. Re:This is hilarious by nazsco · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > Yeah, just remember that genius and madness are only separated by a thin line.

      In this case it isnt so.

      He is genius. he knows more math then you do. and he knows more about a good life then you do.

      because you dont understand him, considers him a madman on both accounts probably. Only so in the math part someone already told you to belive that he is a genius. not that you would understand it too. as you do not understand his views on a good life.

    6. Re:This is hilarious by blahplusplus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He could simply state that openly, take the million dollars and give it away and chastize them for having prizes in the first place. If that was his goal it's the worst way to be doing it.

    7. Re:This is hilarious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think YOU get it. He's denying the money because he hates society, not because he's trying to be decent or nice in any way. Frankly, I'd do the same.

    8. Re:This is hilarious by mjwx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, just remember that genius and madness are only separated by a thin line.

      The poor bloke just wants to do math and pick mushrooms. There's nothing wrong with him just because he doesn't fit into the "nuclear" society mould.

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    9. Re:This is hilarious by palegray.net · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is not a good life by any measure.

      Precisely who the hell are you to make that call? You're certainly not him.

    10. Re:This is hilarious by oldhack · · Score: 2

      Or at least blow it on hookers. And blow.

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    11. Re:This is hilarious by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Informative

      This guy, though, actually is insane, as anyone who read up on his life and habits knows.

    12. Re:This is hilarious by BitZtream · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Perhaps I should turn in my geek card for not knowing or caring who he is but ...

      Really, sounds like the guy just wants to be left alone ... bugging him really isn't going to do anyone any good and he seems to be being awfully nice to people bugging the shit out of him and being otherwise very inconsiderate (stereotypical of reporters and the public at large).

      Stereotypical of geeks it may be, but I can certainly sympathize with him.

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    13. Re:This is hilarious by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I disagree, I think he's being a douchebag. Anyone with a head would take a million dollars and use it to alleviate suffering of others if he was a decent man.

      Well, supposedly that $1M is in the committee now. What's stopping them from giving it away to charities? It's not like, if Perelman refuses it, it magically disappears in a puff of smoke.

      I believe that his point is that he doesn't want that money as an award. Accepting it would come with strings attached - namely, the recognition of the practice, and the authority of those people to hand out such awards.

    14. Re:This is hilarious by rdelcueto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What exactly you mean by "This is not a good life by any measure", and just how the hell are you "measuring" his life? The guy says he has everything he wants. The fact that you don't understand or want his way of life (or what you've read he's life is), doesn't mean there's something wrong with it. People need to mind their own shit, and help by keeping their mouth shut and not doing this void judgments on others.

    15. Re:This is hilarious by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sanity is defined as having "soundness of mind and judgment." Being able to prove the Poincaré conjecture implies at least sound judgment in a logical sense in order to understand the proof, and clearly enough soundness of mind to compose a readable paper describing the proof. Perhaps you are confusing arbitrary personal lifestyle choices and a refusal to adhere to common social norms with some form of insanity. At worst, you might call it "asocial" or "antisocial", but that is hardly insane.

    16. Re:This is hilarious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He lives in a small apartment with his mother and doesn't talk to anyone. This is not a good life by any measure.

      I'm the AC near the top of this thread. I'm in my 40's and live in my parents basement (yeah I know, I'm a living stereotype of how not to turn out). I try to avoid talking to people (except for the occasional comment on Slashdot). I was going to ignore your comment before you got up-moderated. I wish people like you would be able to have the intellectual ability to realize that what you say is not only offensive, prejudiced, biased, illogical, and outright wrong; but has absolutely no basis in reality. Not wanting to socialize with people is a GOOD thing, it isn't a bad thing. But, like usual, assholes like you will judge me by my ability and willingness to socialize, instead of by my intelligence, logic, or morality. The ironic thing about you and your type is that it just re-enforces my beliefs that actually talking to people is a waste of time and will likely end up in people insulting me because I live in my mothers basement trying to improve my mind by doing programming assignments, practicing Mathematics, reading psychology, instead of socializing and gossiping and making value judgments on people.

    17. Re:This is hilarious by jpate · · Score: 2, Funny

      are you sure you would not be too busy picking mushrooms to smash his face in?

    18. Re:This is hilarious by dangitman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The ironic thing about you and your type is that it just re-enforces my beliefs that actually talking to people is a waste of time and will likely end up in people insulting me because I live in my mothers basement trying to improve my mind by doing programming assignments, practicing Mathematics, reading psychology, instead of socializing and gossiping and making value judgments on people.

      No, the really ironic thing is that you decry the judgment of other people, while you are highly judgmental of others.

      Not wanting to socialize with people is a GOOD thing, it isn't a bad thing. But, like usual, assholes like you will judge me by my ability and willingness to socialize, instead of by my intelligence, logic, or morality.

      You make it sound like intelligence and is somehow the opposite of socializing. It's not. Humans are social creatures. That's not a very intelligent thing to ignore. You live on a planet full of other people, and you depend on those other people for your continued survival.

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    19. Re:This is hilarious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Perhaps he wants his work to receive the limelight, or maybe not even that. He's proven something that others can build upon and take even further. His part is done, he doesn't want a parade. Take his work and celebrate that. Leave the man be.

      I'm not a big fan of people either. Most are boring shallow malicious twats. In that sense I understand him perfectly. Leave him be. He doesn't need the money, he doesn't need you. Why force all this on him? For his glory? Or for ours?

    20. Re:This is hilarious by DarkIye · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I had to read through 50 comments of confused, juvenile bullshit and slapfighting to get at this succinct summary of everything in it worth reading?

    21. Re:This is hilarious by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You make it sound like intelligence and is somehow the opposite of socializing. It's not. Humans are social creatures. That's not a very intelligent thing to ignore. You live on a planet full of other people, and you depend on those other people for your continued survival.

      And apparently this gentleman has found that the only other people he really needs is his mother and whoever he has contact with through non-meatspace methods.

      We are not all the same. Spending 1 week on slashdot alone should show you that. And so long as noone is hurting themselves or others...who gives a shit?

      Let's live and let live, shall we?

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    22. Re:This is hilarious by dangitman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And apparently this gentleman has found that the only other people he really needs is his mother and whoever he has contact with through non-meatspace methods.

      That's simply not true. He needs the people who grow his food. He needs the people who help stabilize society, so he is not murdered or killed in a war.

      Let's live and let live, shall we?

      Did I ever say anything about not letting him live? All I did was note the irony of his condemning other people (calling them assholes, amongst other things) while at the same time bemoaning somebody passing less offensive judgment on somebody else.

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    23. Re:This is hilarious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, the really ironic thing is that you decry the judgment of other people, while you are highly judgmental of others.

      Listen and learn, don't just reply to defend your biases. I am against people who insult merely for the sake that it is against their lifestyle choice and tradition. I judge people of course, but I judge people on the merits of their logic and NOT on whether they engage in social activity.

      You make it sound like intelligence and is somehow the opposite of socializing. It's not. Humans are social creatures. That's not a very intelligent thing to ignore.

      Again with the prejudice and insults. I'm not ignoring anything and yet it is obvious that you are using the propaganda technique of attempting to "put words in my mouth". And you obviously don't know the difference (or are deliberately Trolling?) between social co-operation (pretty much a necessary evil in modern society... for the past few thousands years really) and socialization, and by socialization I mean the deliberate act of gossiping, attending football riots, engaging in office/factory politics, etc and every willful and unnecessary thing that humans do to make themselves social creatures (outside of the necessities of fulfilling base economic needs).

      For good measure (and in case your idea of "socialization" may be based on folklore instead of reality), I will give you this quote from the Wikipedia; "Socialization, however, is not a normative term: it describes a process which may or may not affect the reflexive agent, and which may or may not lead to desirable, or 'moral', outcomes.".

      And War of course, where people really get to socialize a lot with each other (Funny thing, I was in the infantry myself... a real learning experience. I was socialized there too. Ever watched Full Metal Jacket?... Though I wasn't in Vietnam, the boot camp part was almost as fucked up for me [all of us really...]). War, it's more common and prevalent than your (presumably) middle class Western lifestyle will lead you to believe. Genocide and War Crimes are (merely) things of history books and cable TV (to most people, and the taxpayers who fund "Black Operations").

      Anybody who has a good understanding of Sociology (or any of the other social sciences) will tell you that most socialization/communication has to do with lying, stealing and cheating. People like me don't have to read psychology books to know this because we are perceptive enough to see this ourselves and not pretend-away any social misgivings. The science and scholarship just re-enforces my experiences. People are more interested in money and status than anything else, which I have always found disheartening.

      And yes I will tell people they are being an asshole when they are insulting people who are different from them. This is an observation. If people feel insulted by the fact that negative terms are used against them then they shouldn't make arbitrary illogical judgments about the lifestyles of other people.

      In terms of socializing (to repeat what you said, "You make it sound like intelligence and is somehow the opposite of socializing." Yes. The social sciences are on my side. It's sooo very obvious it isn't worth mentioning. But at least I know what I am talking about (I've got the formal education on my side here too). For example, ask an Englishman if they've read 1984 (written by an English author) and chances are they will tell you that they have read it when in fact they have not read it. It's the same just about everywhere. The vast majority of people will tell at least one lie in the first 10 minutes of a conversation. The disheartening thing for me is that people will just assume I'm as dishonest and as ego and status centric as themselves, and will exaggerate and lie to make myself look good. The truth is that I live in my mother's basement (at least partly because I don't lie on my resume and I'm competing with the majority who use friends as references, etc). I'd rather stick to

    24. Re:This is hilarious by algormortis · · Score: 5, Informative

      Your definition of sanity does not apply simply because the man is intelligent. For example, think of John Nash, the Nobel Prize Winner with schizophrenia. That guy hallucinated to the point where he thought he had a roommate throughout college, even though he lived in a single by himself.

    25. Re:This is hilarious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are a fundamentalist.

      I find it funny how Americans are quick to label someone who does not fall within their ranges of "normal" as freaks, crazy, stupid,weird, etc. This is not specific for the slashdot crowd but it is the typical sentiment of people in the USA. That's why you look funny at the guy who built his house out of cob and is living without electricity. That's why it just blows your mind how a guy who lives a happy life does not want a bunch of money.

      I am a Mexican who lived in the UK and now living in East Germany (not Berlin), in one of the "poorer" German states. After living in the UK where people strive to buy/get/acquire things in order to feel "successful", living in Germany is a fresh breath of clean air.

      People here in East Germany learnt to live with few things. In a way they are detached from things and appreciate more subtle things.

      To finish, let me quote this parable I found here:

      The investment banker and the Mexican

      An American investment banker was at the pier of a small coastal Mexican village when a small boat with just one fisherman docked.
      Inside the small boat were several large yellow fin tuna.
      The American complimented the Mexican on the quality of his fish and asked, "How long does it take to catch them?"
      The Mexican replied: "Only a little while".

      The American then asked why didn't he stay out longer and catch more fish?
      The Mexican said he had enough to support his family's immediate needs.
      The American then asked, "But what do you do with the rest of your time?"
      The Mexican fisherman said, "I sleep late, fish a little, play with my children, take siesta with my wife, Maria, stroll into the village each evening where I sip wine and play guitar with my amigos, I have a full and busy life."

      The American scoffed, "I am a Harvard MBA and could help you. You should spend more time fishing and with the proceeds, buy a bigger boat with the proceeds from the bigger boat you could buy several boats, eventually you would have a fleet of fishing boats. Instead of selling your catch to a middleman you would sell directly to the processor, eventually opening your own cannery. You would control the product, processing and distribution. You would need to leave this small coastal fishing village and move to Mexico City, then LA and eventually NYC where you will run your expanding enterprise."

      The Mexican fisherman asked, "But, how long will this all take?"
      To which the American replied, "15-20 years."

      "But what then?"
      The American laughed and said that's the best part. "When the time is right you would announce an IPO and sell your company stock to the
      public and become very rich, you would make millions."

      "Millions.. Then what?"
      The American said, "Then you would retire. Move to a small coastal fishing village where you would sleep late, fish a little, play with your kids, take siesta with your wife, stroll to the village in the evenings where you could sip wine and play your guitar with your amigos."

    26. Re:This is hilarious by stygianguest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      One could consider it his moral duty to teach others. Teaching is severely underrated in research communities. Good teachers probably deliver more scientific advancement to society than anyone else. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if he is a terrible teacher.

    27. Re:This is hilarious by quintessencesluglord · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Tell me: is this becoming mentally unstable and unable to cope interacting with society or not? I mean becoming unstable in one's solitude is one thing; becoming unstable when society intrudes on your solitude is quite another.

      Further, are you differentiating between chosen solitude and enforced solitude, because those would have very different effects.

      Finally, his is social within the confines of his family. Social has many different dimensions. To pick and choose which aspects you want to interact with seems damn near idealized to me.

      It sounds more like you are advocating for social convention hiding behind psychology. Epicurus would like to have a word with you.

    28. Re:This is hilarious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, just remember that genius and madness are only separated by a thin line.

      The poor bloke just wants to do math and pick mushrooms. There's nothing wrong with him just because he doesn't fit into the "nuclear" society mould.

      He is richer than any of us, he understand things that we don't! Money and glory is a religion for the idiots.

    29. Re:This is hilarious by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is he doing what he enjoys - Yes (By his own admission)
      Is he happy - Well until the press started bugging him yes ...

      Sounds like he is someone who is happy, employed and has enough money.... ....unlike many people he seems to value the right things

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    30. Re:This is hilarious by Von+Helmet · · Score: 4, Informative

      While that's what happened in the film, that's not what happened in real life. According to Wikipedia he never had visual hallucinations, and only heard voices from 1964 onwards, 5 years after being diagnosed with schizophrenia.

    31. Re:This is hilarious by timeOday · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It is also entirely possible he's rejecting the award out of spite, to get back at society and mainstream mathematics for perceived wrongs in the past. What proves your superiority more than out-doing them all, then spurning even their congratulations and awards. Passive-aggressiveness at its best. That would still be no crime, but it's much different than simply not caring.

    32. Re:This is hilarious by borroff · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I would think that very early on in his career, he may have realized that he works in a realm where very few people can be taught what he's currently working on. He may feel it's a better use of his time to push out the boundaries of knowledge, and let other folks do the teaching.

      I've met a number of physics Nobel Prize winners, and very few of the theoreticians were good teachers. Feynman was an outlier

    33. Re:This is hilarious by rgviza · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you left your chair to go outside and pick some Morels, and cooked them with some food, you'd change your tune about picking mushrooms. I promise. There's a reason they cost $115 a pound dried ;) Fresh they are orgasmically good and picking them is the only way to get them that way.

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  2. I have an idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe leave the guy alone like he wants?

    1. Re:I have an idea... by nschubach · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sounds like a plan to me. I'd be pissed off if people kept bugging me as well. Just take the money he doesn't want and give it to a math oriented scholarship fund or something.

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    2. Re:I have an idea... by jcr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Best idea I've heard yet. The right to be left alone is one of the most important ones we have.

      -jcr

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    3. Re:I have an idea... by clarkkent09 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Still better to take it. A million would easily pay for building a moat around his house as well as for some sharks and lasers.

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    4. Re:I have an idea... by wizardforce · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How so? This story has been on slashdot on several occasions; I'd say that he's gotten a ton of attention just by refusing the prize money.

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    5. Re:I have an idea... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unless you are a seriously odd duck, attention that you have to shun in order to continue getting seems like a pretty lame reward.

      Within the field of mathematics, a lifetime of fame is his pretty much no matter what he does. He has the proof, he doesn't have to play act.

      Outside of mathematics, there are a fair few things you could do for $1,000,000, particularly on vacation to somewhere with a lower cost of living index, that could keep you in the tabloids for weeks, or surrounded by enthusiastic companions for longer than that, until the cash runs out.

      I'm betting that he is the real deal. If he got off on attention, he could just accept the cash, be up to his eyes for a month solid in hookers and blow somewhere nice and tropical, and then spend however long he wanted basking in honorary doctorates and crowds of adoring mathematics departments the world over.

    6. Re:I have an idea... by TapeCutter · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "Am I the only one who thinks this guy is getting off on all the attention he is getting by pretending to be a recluse who doesn't want any attention or money."

      No there are a couple of other posters who also don't get it.

      Spinoza..."is considered one of the great rationalists of 17th-century philosophy, laying the groundwork for the 18th century Enlightenment and modern biblical criticism.....Spinoza is considered to be one of Western philosophy's most important philosophers...Spinoza lived quietly as a lens grinder, turning down rewards and honors throughout his life, including prestigious teaching positions"

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    7. Re:I have an idea... by Tynin · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sounds like a plan to me. I'd be pissed off if people kept bugging me as well. Just take the money he doesn't want and give it to a math oriented scholarship fund or something.

      and yet maybe if you had a clue about where he was coming from you'd know it was the same math community that fucked him over that you suggest giving blindly too.... not that I dont disagree with teaching math on all levels to those that want it., but it is more immersive than that at a higher level (not just a give it to math scholarships and call it a day (yet I can see your point, but his as well). he was at the height of mathadamia (yay for made up words) and what he saw there was nothing short of cut throat... I'm four sheets to the wind, but please look up some of my earlier arguments.... ah fuck it, here is my earlier discussion on him: http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1484928&cid=30508008

      and really, dont take it from me, read the new yorker piece on him (I ref in my link). he is something special. not just some stuck up asshole looking for an albeit good for him negitive bit of PR.

    8. Re:I have an idea... by oljanx · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually, no. You see, sharks are very large creatures with special needs. You can't just dig up a moat and stick sharks in it. Picture something like Sea World, and then imagine it your front yard. Then figure in the difficulty of training sharks to properly use high-powered laser beams. It's quite a bit more expensive than you might think, not something within the reach of your average millionaire. Trust me, I know.

  3. This guy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is a total badass, he sets the standard for life.

  4. I'm amazed he has a mobile by LittleBigScript · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe try his facebook.

    They don't make recluses like they used to.

    1. Re:I'm amazed he has a mobile by BoppreH · · Score: 2, Funny

      His beard does look like it has it's own flora.

  5. 'Your disturbing me. I'm picking mushrooms' by Kitkoan · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now I know how he figured it out at least. He went out, picked magic mushrooms, ate them and let the universe tell him the answer. No wonder he doesn't want the prize, it should be given to the great mushroom spirits.

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    1. Re:'Your disturbing me. I'm picking mushrooms' by FooBarWidget · · Score: 3, Funny

      Rumor has it that anyone who eats those mushrooms will become twice as tall and have the power to break bricks.

    2. Re:'Your disturbing me. I'm picking mushrooms' by roman_mir · · Score: 3, Informative

      It is a funny quote in the context of most people from the Americas, understand that in Russia, specifically St Petersburg there are millions of people who eat mushrooms, not the magic kind, the good stuff, eatable. He picks mushrooms in St. Peterburg's parks, they are huge parks, also there are forests right outside the city.

      People really eat mushrooms and berries that they pick, it is a tradition and a free source of food. I highly HIGHLY doubt that he does almost anything that changes his perception of reality at all. His perception is very acutely tuned, apparently he has very very strong moral compass, to the point of obsessiveness.

  6. Just leave him alone.. by gyepi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He probably wants nothing more than being left alone. It's ironic that he doesn't seem to grasp that his eccentric behavior makes that even more difficult to achieve.

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  7. Ah... an Oscar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This latest snub follows his refusal in 2006 to collect the maths equivalent of an Oscar, the Fields Medal.

    Its sad that the Fields medal is being compared to the Oscars - don't get me wrong, the Oscars are high honors in their fields - but comparing the lifetime of dedication scientists and mathematicians put into their work to the winner of 'Best miniskirt on hot actress in a running scene' doesn't seem right.

  8. Re:Tools by Itninja · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah. I mean I used my car to totally kick ass in last years Boston Marathon. I finished it in like 15 minutes. The officcial were real d-bags though and refused to declare me the winner.

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  9. Not for this reason by Beetle+B. · · Score: 5, Interesting

    He's rejecting it on principled grounds. Regardless of what you think about those principles, he simply can't do this just for short term charity.

    When he rejected the Field's medal, he simply said to the effect of, "If I take the money, I'd be obligated to correct the wrongs I see, otherwise I'd be a hypocrite. I don't want to be the one making that crusade, so I have to reject the money." (Remember the scene in Thank You For Not Smoking?) It's a simple, logical response. He may be a recluse and all, but there's nothing strange about his refusal to take the money.

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  10. self defeating by nedlohs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Refusing a $1 million prize will, I suspect, generate more, of the attention he doesn't want.

    The journalists camped outside his home and calling his cell phone don't give a crap about some obscure piece of mathematics - they care about the weirdo who is turning down a fortune.

  11. Mother and Sister? by Prien715 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If he's jobless and living with his family, the least the foundation could do is contact his family and ask if they'd like the money for rent, food, etc. They're essentially paying for his work and even if he doesn't want the prize, they could give it to his family quietly so he can continue to do his work without someone having to worry about rent.

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    1. Re:Mother and Sister? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      From what I can recall, his mother and sister are similarly minded as he himself is.

      Thus, they too would refuse the money.

      Is integrity such a rare thing these days, that everybody freaks the fuck out when they see it, call the person exhibiting it "Strange", and "Weird"?

      Because that is what seems to be happening from my vantage point.

      Seriously, just stop harassing the man. The doesn't want any prizes, additional prestige, or some fucking trophy for his wall. He solved the conjecture, his name will be in math books for the rest of eternity, and that is prize enough for him. Just leave him the fuck alone already.

    2. Re:Mother and Sister? by Nialin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is integrity such a rare thing these days, that everybody freaks the fuck out when they see it, call the person exhibiting it "Strange", and "Weird

      Of course! Things are only "strange" or "weird" because they are outside the norm. If integrity were the norm, the situation would be quite different. Wouldn't you agree?

  12. Quit bothering the guy by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Quit bothering the guy already.

    He's sensible enough to know that if he accepts, people will want him to give speeches, attend talks, and will generally waste his time. Feynman once pointed out that winning a Nobel Prize meant that he heard from many people he really didn't want to talk to. Feynman sometimes gave talks under a pseudonym, so that only the people really interested in the subject matter would show up.

  13. Oh yeah, go ahead... by BoppreH · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Disturb him some more and he might never submit another of his solutions to the world.

  14. what mushrooms? by slonik · · Score: 3, Insightful

    and another who managed to call him on his mobile, 'You are disturbing me. I am picking mushrooms.'

    Just check the weather in St.Petersburg, Russia. It is still too cold there for any mushrooms to grow. So much for journalist's integrity.

  15. Oblig. Good Will Hunting quote by dfarcanjo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Will: Oh, come on! What? Why is it always this? I mean, I fuckin' owe it to myself to do this or that. What if I don't want to?
    Chuckie: No. No, no no no. Fuck you, you don't owe it to yourself man, you owe it to me. Cuz tomorrow I'm gonna wake up and I'll be 50, and I'll still be doin' this shit. And that's all right. That's fine. I mean, you're sittin' on a winnin' lottery ticket. And you're too much of a pussy to cash it in, and that's bullshit. 'Cause I'd do fuckin' anything to have what you got. So would any of these fuckin' guys. It'd be an insult to us if you're still here in 20 years. Hangin' around here is a fuckin' waste of your time.

    <b> mine.

  16. An artform. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think Perelman is not so much a weirdo, but an aesthetic artist of sorts--he's been hurt by the fact that humans have tried to monetize something he considers to be beautiful...as if you could place a price on Shakespeare or a price-tag on Emily Dickinsons' poems.

    1. Re:An artform. by fyoder · · Score: 5, Funny

      as if you could place a price on Shakespeare or a price-tag on Emily Dickinsons' poems.

      Shakespeare : $26.40

      Emily Dickinson : $14.95

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      Loose lips lose spit.
    2. Re:An artform. by signingis · · Score: 2, Informative

      ascetic

      --

      I prefer a void in conversation to a vacuous one.
    3. Re:An artform. by jjohnson · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Shakespeare certainly didn't write for art. If he were alive today he'd be Jerry Bruckheimer or Michael Bay. Throughout his life he made a reasonable living producing plays that had large audiences from all levels of society. He wasn't writing for posterity, he was writing to sell tickets, and his plays reflect that: Kings and Queens, forbidden love and betrayal, lots of opportunities for swordfights to be staged, and comedy that still holds up today if performed well.

      The only reason he seems like a God among writers is that, because he was popular, his plays survived. He wrote very little that was original in concept; he was constantly borrowing from other, earlier playwrights and from popular stories of the day. The (now) archaic English gives it a patina of high art, but that's our faulty perspective, not his intent.

      If that depresses you, it's only because in 500 years, there will be revival companies performing Top Gun and Die Hard rather than Driving Miss Daisy.

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      Anyone who loves or hates any language, platform, or manufacturer, doesn't know what they're talking about.
  17. Re:Tools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Seriously man, take the million."

    I suspect that in Russia, as in other places, large amounts of cash, even if given away, attracts the attention of all sorts of unwelcome characters. The government with taxes; receiving the reward leads to paperwork which if not everything is in order can lead to huge repercussions, like jail time. Criminals who will only hear you received a lump sum, not that you gave it away. Reporters who are only bothering you now but will instead be critical of how you spent the money or attack your decison making (why that charity?). Charities for not being on the receiving end of your generosity. Pesky social people wanting to get a piece, such as women or men (depending on how you spin, and maybe the 'or' should be an 'and') showing up, despite you being in a happy relationship already, maybe even disrupting that.

    Right now he's an interesting story. If he accepts the million, he's an interesting story and rich, and the additional story of what he does with the million becomes a reality.

    Hell, when the economy went to shit here in the US, just look at the nasty backlash online, even here on /.; people were attacking ALL upper class simply because they were rich, not because they had done wrong. It was guilt by association.

    Maybe this recluse has his reasons and understands the world far better than you know.

  18. 1 million probably isn't worth his effort. by Narcocide · · Score: 2, Funny

    Here's my theory. He's a genius, a madman and a recluse, as well as everything else people say about him plus one other note: a mushroom farmer. 1$ million probably isn't even worth his time to open the door. "I have all I want" pretty much sums it up. Take your paltry 1$ million and donate it to an appropriate charity. If you really want a minute of his precious time you'll probably have to raise the figure by a couple orders of magnitude.

  19. Not Married by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny

    He must not be married. If I turned down a mil, my wife would kill me, dig me back up, kill me again, film it all, and sell the film rights to recoup it.

  20. Re:Tools by Samah · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...or own a digital watch!?

    I dunno, I still think they're a "pretty neat idea".

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    Homonyms are fun!
    You're driving your car, but they're riding their bikes there.
  21. Re:An ordinary man... by mjwx · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...can never understand/quantify what a genius wants.

    When I use that excuse to justify my interest in Thai prostitutes they call me insane. When I use that excuse on slashdot they call me a troll.

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    Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
  22. as far as criminals go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Isn't he in MORE danger by not accepting the money? Once he has it and gives it away, he can not get it back, so criminals have nothing to extort from him. But as long as he has the ability to collect and doesn't, he's a prime target: "listen, stupid, collect the cash and give it to us, or we'll hurt you and your family".

  23. Re:Mr. Perelman by Cryacin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Jumping off a cliff does not take courage, it takes cowardice.

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    Science advances one funeral at a time- Max Planck
  24. Re:Mr. Perelman by c6gunner · · Score: 4, Funny

    Because he is courageous enough to reject $1m. Are you?

    No, but I'm so heroic I've managed to reject the temptation to sleep with Natalie Portman. That's WAY more heroic!

  25. it's more about us, less about him by blueworm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This bit is more about our personal dissatisfaction with our lives, as the readers, having to do things we don't like for money. It's more about a dissatisfaction with the economic system and less about this mathematician, or ex-mathematician. This dissatisfaction leads us to react to any declination of money with shock. The real key to freedom is living with very little and very humbly such that we "work" less and live more enjoyably, where "work" is here defined as any activity done more for money and less for personal enjoyment.

    Even Richard M. Stallman himself has suggested this:

    "I live like a student, basically. And I like that, because it means that money is not telling me what to do."
    -- Richard M. Stallman
    http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/fsfs/rms-essays.pdf
    Pg. 164

  26. Have they tried reverse psychology? by ciaran_o_riordan · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ah, never mind, you're probably not smart enough to take the money.

  27. how about a new price? by managementboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What the comity could do is take the million and invest it at say 3%. Create a new price called the Perelman price and give the interests away to the winner every 5 years.

  28. you are a scared little one, aren't you? by roman_mir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does Perelman not taking the money scare you?

    Does he offend you?

    Does he entice a violent reaction in you?

    Do you hate it, when someone sticks out of the crowd not out of a desire to be more 'cool looking' but simply because he does not need the crowd?

    Take the money and give it to charity, you self-important Shit

    - why don't you go and find him and beat him into submission to your own standards, that will hopefully satisfy your primordial craving to make sure nobody is different and whoever is different they are destroyed, so that the coherency of the group is in balance yet again?

    1. Re:you are a scared little one, aren't you? by roman_mir · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No. I find it rather childish and odd.

      - person has everything he needs, he is happy. Is that childish and odd? I wonder, I envy his childish oddity then.

      No. But why is he so stand-offish? Why not try to change what you don't like from a position of authority? Perelmen could do it if he wanted to, but it's like he's given up. That's what bothers me.

      - and what a waste of time that would be for him. Instead of taking off and going to pick up some mushrooms and prepare a dish, instead of working out details of some math problem you want him to become a social activist? He is happy doing what he is doing. He is happy living the life he is living. He lived in the USA for a year, he was mostly eating rye brad and fermented milk (kefir) and he was wearing the same pants and a jacket. Then he went back to Russia, because he did not fit in.

      I doubt it's because he "does not need the crowd". I think perhaps there is something more underlying his entire attitude.

      - he specifically said he did not want to be awarded by a group of people who award those, that are not worthy, people who take other people accomplishments and pass them for their own. He specifically said he does not want to deal with the mathematics crowd because it is a corrupt crowd, though he said some people in it are not, but they are complacent.

      He does not want to waste his time on people, vast majority of who are the real selfish people.

      You call him SELFISH? He solved Poincare, he did not even need to show the solution to anybody, but he did anyway. He taught people an entire multitude of lessons:

      1. Poincare.
      2. New approach to the solution, his solution used an observation from a physical event this time in math, not the other way around.
      3. How to have principles.

  29. I think you misunderstand him by jonaskoelker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He solved the conjecture, his name will be in math books for the rest of eternity, and that is prize enough for him.

    I think you're either misunderstanding him, or replacing his wants by your own.

    I think it's more like this: he solved the conjecture, and that is prize enough for him.

  30. May be OK for him, but how about his mom and sis? by TheLink · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It may be a good life for him, and that's all he thinks he needs. But that may not be so true for the people who are providing for his needs.

    No, I don't think he is providing for his needs (he doesn't look capable of doing it) - I think his mother and/or sister are/is.

    So if it were up to me, I'd actually use the money to provide a monthly stipend to his mother and sister (for as long as Perelman continues to be supported by them).

    Since he doesn't want the money, I think it's fair to give it to the ones who supported him, since without them he might not have survived to solve the problem.

    IMO giving a monthly amount is better than a lump sum. Since it is more likely that Perelman would benefit in the long term.

    I think it's also a good idea to give the mom and sister a one time sum of money as a gift - on top of that monthly amount.

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  31. $1m or $1M ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    $1m (1*10^-3) wouldn't be much of a prize and I'm not sure how you would collect it since it is only a tenth of a cent. The lowest denomination piece of US currency (the penny) is worth ten times that amount.

    $1M (1*10^6) would be a nice prize though.