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10% Tax On Custom Software, $100M Tax Cut For Microsoft

reifman writes "Last week, the Washington State House of Representatives passed a bill which would impose a 10% tax on custom software while all but eliminating a $100 million yearly tax obligation that some say Microsoft is wrongfully avoiding by routing large chunks of business through an office in Nevada. 'I believe we've got an issue of justice and fairness here,' said Rep. Maralyn Chase. 'Most of the custom software purveyors are small businesses. It's a question for me of how we fairly distribute the tax burden.' 'It means that a 5 person team of entrepreneurs building a cool custom software suite, or a group of system integrators, would face a 10% tax on their services while keeping the exact same project in-house would not be taxed,' wrote Rep. Reuven Carlyle. 'It would be a massive blow to the entrepreneurial community in our state.' The bill won't become law until the House and Senate work out how best to raise another $300 million in taxes. A sales tax increase on consumers is also being considered."

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  1. A different tax proposal by ZuchinniOne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I propose a 20% tax on people who pass stupid laws!

    1. Re:A different tax proposal by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hey I know, Washington!

      Maybe you could stop running giant ad campaigns (bus, billboard, web...) telling me to get my swine flu shot. How much did that ad campaign cost? And while we're at it, why don't you stop making new lotto games and spending tons of money advertising them as well? And how much do we spend putting giant "click it or ticket" billboards along every highway? I think it's safe to assume people know that there's a seatbelt law at this point.

      Christ.

  2. Re:Andrew would be upset, again. by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Andrew Stack would be upset at having to pay any taxes. He was also a loony. The selective 10% on custom software is a supremely stupid thing, but invoking the name of an anti-government crackpot isn't helpful.

  3. Re:Bad bill... by wizardforce · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Last week, the Washington State House of Representatives passed a bill which would impose a 10% tax on custom software

    Too late, it's already done. Now as for the reason why it isn't law, law yet is a puzzling one: they apparently need to find another 300 million in tax revenue and have completely inored the most obvious: closing the MS tax dodge instead of giving them a free pass that this bill just did. Or they could just I don't know cut all the extraneous crap that they shouldn't be doing to begin with but I suppose that actually solving the problem would piss off everyone dependent on the bloat.

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  4. Re:Bad bill... by westyvw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oddly enough, if they stopped using Microsoft products they could recoup a large amount of that money anyways. I have reviewed the IT expenditures of several state agencies and they are blowing money like its no tomorrow, but they have no clue how to get efficiencies because they are so star struck by the crap MS has been dishing out to them for years.

  5. Re:Andrew would be upset, again. by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes.

    Road Taxes paid by Taxes on Fuel. Not enough roads, raise taxes on fuel, doubles to reduce cars on the roads, and pays for increased roads. Smog increases, then raise taxes on smog producing fuel.

    Military can be paid for with taxes on corporations (state created entities), and cross boarder transaction taxes.

    Fire and Police are local, and should be paid for by local taxes like property taxes, since they are used to protect property.

    The problem as I see it today, we have no balance in taxing and spending. We have big tax/spend (D) and little tax/big spend (R). Nobody is really offering the REAL solution which is to spend what we tax and tax what we spend. Letting the people vote with their wallets on what is a priority with them.

    Of course that doesn't sit well with the busybodies and dogodders who love to spend other peoples money and stick their noses in everyone else's business. Yes, I'm talking about both (D) and (R).

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  6. Re:Bad bill... by tweek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well it's obvious you went to the Keynesien school of economics.

    Every dollar that goverment spends is one less dollar that the individual spends. In fact, the return on government spending is LESS than individual spending (I'm trying to dig up those numbers now).

    You cannot spend your way out of a recession. That money is best left in the hands of the individuals to spend as they will. Will some people resort to the hoarder mentality? Yep but it's not an absolute.

    I don't know the situation in WA but it's not like they're not in the same boat as every other state in the country - reduced revenues and all.

    There really needs to be, in all states, a line by line audit of where the states are spending money and where they can cut that spending or eliminate it entirely.

    Reason did an amazing series with Drew Carey about "saving Cleveland". It had some awesome ideas that have been shown to be successful in other parts of the country. They admit that what works one place may not work in another but honestly when you're faced with a $300m shortfall, maybe you should try something new?

    http://reason.com/blog/2010/02/25/save-the-week-reason-saves-cle

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  7. repairs by zogger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is repairing infected OS and apps using third party tools at the computer fixit shop a matter of customization? Scenario: The PC owner comes in with the borked machine, it has a state of software level. The tech uses his antivirus and search and destroy stuff and skillz, and customizes the software on the customer's drive, to get it back to a functional level. Perhaps they also add a couple new features, like FF and OO.

    With that said, the malware/botnet authors and maintainers could be charged with tax evasion in addition to any other crimes, by customizing software. heh.

  8. Re:Bad bill... by ProfessionalCookie · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Not to mention we should all be wondering what exactly is "software" and what is "custom". Word Macros, HTML, Javascript, Java, PHP, C++, Assembly? Is software for 5 users still custom, 100 users? What if it's only available to certain people but lots of them? What if it's only available at an outrageous per seat price?

    I'm willing to bet the law won't be written by anyone who knows anything about "Custom Software".

  9. Re:Bad bill... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What you call "hoarding", I call "saving" and the general lack of savings in America is a Bad Thing (tm).

  10. Re:The sponsor of the bill by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Aren't these all the people who are supposed to be standing up for rights, minorities, and the little guy? this is deplorable!

    Right hemisphere, wrong quadrant. These are largely in the "you should give all your money to the State _and_ be free to have sex with a tree" camp.

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  11. Re:Bad bill... by NotBornYesterday · · Score: 4, Insightful

    -- I wonder if MS has special hidden algorithms in their software: if state=Washington and query="how much state tax Microsoft should pay", then answer=0. --

    You see, that's the problem with closed source software; we'll never know.

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