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US District Judge Rules Gene Patents Invalid

shriphani writes "A US judge has ruled that Myriad Genetics' breast cancer gene patent is invalid. Hopefully this will go a long way in ensuring that patents on genes do not stand in the way of research. From the article: 'Patents on genes associated with hereditary breast and ovarian cancer are invalid, ruled a New York federal court today. The precedent-setting ruling marks the first time a court has found patents on genes unlawful and calls into question the validity of patents now held on approximately 2,000 human genes.'"

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  1. Wow.... by nog_lorp · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm glad this is happening. It's a huge weight off my chest.

  2. Conversely by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hopefully this will go a long way in ensuring that patents on genes do not stand in the way of research.

    And let us also hope that financial backers and investors don't pass on the idea of investing in said research without the potential payout of a full term patent.

    As unpopular as the above statement is on Slashdot and as flawed as the patent system is, it still fulfills purposes making this at least a two sided issue. Ignoring either side is nothing but folly.

    You can revise your statement to read: Hopefully it's a net positive for gene research.

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    1. Re:Conversely by alex_guy_CA · · Score: 5, Insightful

      However, most research and medical breakthroughs come from publicly funded money, research, and institutions. They only find their way into the corporate portfolio latter.

    2. Re:Conversely by afidel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Gene patents were always dubious to me, however patents on gene detection methods and kits should be fully capable of obtaining patent protection. It's like copyrights on facts vs collections.

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    3. Re:Conversely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is absolutely no way we can grant monopolies on certain aspects of life, to anyone. Whether it is a good business proposal to found science or not, it is not correct at all.

      Patents like this come with the power to hold people ransom on existential needs. That cannot, ever, be right.

      Another reason, Gene's are nature's "programming language". Once you can read some of it, reasonable efforts will help you to understand more of it.
       
        But, there is no point or fairness in granting anyone who finds out "something" first the right to, for many years, control its use. Things will be found out because people NEED to figure them out, even without prospect to get money from patents. This is also why you don't need to patent software - just because someone needed a selectable button and did it first, that does not mean they should be able to patent it and henceforth control all selectable buttons - someone will absolutely, positively need the exact same thing and would have figured it out themselves anyways, with a reasonable degree of certainty.

    4. Re:Conversely by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The genes can't be patented, because they were discovered, not created, and not discovered in the "OMG I just discovered how to make rubber!" kind of way. They were discovered in the "I just patented New England" kind of way.

      Now, the tools and methods of discovery, those certainly should be patentable. The genes were always there, however, and we knew they were there somewhere, and the patent does not allow you to do anything with them, it just tells you where they are.

      That is why it was struck down, and that is why this won't have any serious effect on medical research. The stuff that should be patentable is patentable, the stuff that should not be patentable is no longer patentable.

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    5. Re:Conversely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No it doesn't. They can actually make proper inventions. They can invent treatments that target the gene, detection methods to find the gene, methods to remove it, alter it, whatever.

      Just because they found it doesn't mean it's patentable. It's naturally occurring, and they had nothing to do with creating it.

      Imagine if the guys at the LHC discovered another fundamental force. Should they be able to patent it and claim royalties on everyone who "takes advantage" of their discovery of "new gravity"?

      They discovered a gene. They shouldn't have patented it in the first place, they should have invested a tiny bit more to patent a efficient detection method, and still made shitloads of money.

    6. Re:Conversely by Burdell · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Do you think that an astronomer should be able to patent a planet because they saw it first? How about the particle physicists working on the LHC patenting the Higgs bosun if they find it (sorry, no gravity without a license!)? Why should someone be able to patent a naturally occurring gene, just because they found it first? If they find something original, such as an easy way to detect the presence or absence of a gene that can lead to illness, or a way to use that knowledge to treat the condition caused by the gene, patent away, but nobody should be able to patent something that has existed in thousands or millions of people for decades or centuries just because they were the first to track it down. They didn't invent or create anything.

    7. Re:Conversely by martin-boundary · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, I wouldn't exactly call that win/win.

      Then you need to learn some math. Lower drug prices is a WIN for customers. No patents to prevent public research breakthroughs is a WIN for science. That's two WINs, count'em.

      If companies can't get a patent, why would they invest millions, even billions, into the research, if the moment they make a discovery, the company next door gets to profit from their research for free with ZERO seed investment.

      For the same reason companies today invest millions, even billions into contributing to open source, like the Linux kernel, even though their competitors get to profit from those contributions for free with ZERO seed investment.

      What this DOES do is essentially put all genetics research companies out of business,

      Good riddance to bad rubbish. If the only way they can contribute research is by blocking others with patents, then we don't need their "research".

      and leaves it to government organizations and government funded educational institutions to do the research.

      That's a good idea. Medical breakthroughs should be available to all citizens unencumbered by patents, and at affordable prices, and that's the best way to ensure this in the long term. Some industries, like health care, are strategically important. Moreover, with fewer private companies to drain the smart people from universities, the next generation of students would have a higher quality education. Yet another WIN.

    8. Re:Conversely by robotkid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As unpopular as the above statement is on Slashdot and as flawed as the patent system is, it still fulfills purposes making this at least a two sided issue. Ignoring either side is nothing but folly. You can revise your statement to read: Hopefully it's a net positive for gene research.

      Good thought, especially for more tricky examples like patient-derived cell lines or naturally occurring therapeutic molecules, but in this case such worry is not warranted. Treatments, cures, diagnostics, etc are all still patentable, and they are what the investors were looking to make their money from in the first place.

      The central issue at stake was whether the discovery of a gene in and of itself, which is just a snipped of biological information, was patentable, and all the resulting technology that utilized that information would be rendered derivative works. Think about that for a moment, if someone went out and discovered a new type of fish, maybe they'd get to name it but they certainly can't claim to own all future profits made by anyone else catching and selling that fish. More to the point, if someone then discovered that the fish produced a chemical that cured some disease, they original discoverer of the fish would not have the ability to sue and say that was reverse engineering of his patented intellectual property. Discovering a gene is not terribly different - it already existed all over the world long before we had to tools to identify and study it. Discovering is different than inventing, and in the case of genes discovery by itself is a far cry from understanding how it works, much less how to manipulate it to fix a disease.

      Also, for context, the only real reason one would want to patent a gene is some sort of exclusivity clause (i.e. I discovered this breast cancer gene so now only I can work on a cure for it) or for patent trolling (now lets sue all the other folks working on breast cancer cures). Both scenarios would effectively destroy the ability for competing companies to work on the same disease, and lead to a massive gene-squatting free for all. IAAB (I am a biochemist), and I honestly can't think of any scenarios where being able to patent a naturally occurring gene would be good for either society as a whole or even just letting the market do what it does best.

    9. Re:Conversely by NFN_NLN · · Score: 5, Informative

      However, most research and medical breakthroughs come from publicly funded money, research, and institutions. They only find their way into the corporate portfolio latter.

      [citation needed]

      http://www.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/home.shtml

      Completed in 2003, the Human Genome Project (HGP) was a 13-year project coordinated by the U.S. Department of Energy and the National Institutes of Health.

        Project goals were to

              * identify all the approximately 20,000-25,000 genes in human DNA,
              * determine the sequences of the 3 billion chemical base pairs that make up human DNA,
              * store this information in databases, ...

    10. Re:Conversely by PitaBred · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The device or a novel process? Yes. But you should not be able to patent the gene which effectively makes your device the only way to detect the disease. That is not what the patent system is for. It is for protecting novel inventions, not for locking up essential, basic knowledge with a toll booth.

    11. Re:Conversely by sweatyboatman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm sorry, this is a very poor argument.

      without patents there is no monetary incentive for identifying the function of a gene

      If you figure out the function of a gene you can then make a drug to suppress or improve the function of the gene. Or whatever else. And that drug will be, wait for it, patentable! And when that patent comes out and the FDA approves the drug, it's gonna be kinda obvious to people who should know what the drug you're patenting does to what genes and why.

      Perhaps what you mean to say is that without patents, when private industry figures out the function of a gene they will keep it to themselves. But that still doesn't make much sense. Unless you're going to take that information and make a treatment out of it, you're not going to be able to monetize it. (And as soon as you make a treatment, you're going to have to explain to the FDA how that treatment works.)

      You could, I suppose, make a treatment and not patent it (like a trade secret). But then you're running the extreme risk of having someone else steal/recreate your discovery and patent your medicine out from under you.

      Regardless, the motive to research the function of genes is that if you can figure out what a gene does (and it does something useful), you can develop patentable treatments that manipulate that gene. Patenting the gene is just the icing on the cake.

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    12. Re:Conversely by eldavojohn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Medical breakthroughs should be available to all citizens unencumbered by patents, and at affordable prices, and that's the best way to ensure this in the long term.

      You have missed my point entirely. Without massive private funding these "medical breakthroughs" (which I'm led to believe are needle-in-haystack searches) happen at a slower rate. If that sets it back more than the length of a patent (which is 20 years in the US) then it's a negative net effect on the genetic cures we find for people.

      You'll have more affordable cures for the first 20 years but after that the prices will be the same. The difference could be the number of cures and their quality.

      Just because we hate patents doesn't mean we have to shut off our brains when we reason out capitalism does it?

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    13. Re:Conversely by laughingcoyote · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But the fact still remains, any treatment, drug, etc., based upon the gene's discovery, is as patentable as it ever was. The only thing you can't patent is the gene itself, and that's quite correct. If you discover a certain isotope, and find a way to make workable fusion energy from it, you can patent your reactor, but not the isotope itself. That's exactly how the patent system is meant to work-you can patent things you invent, but not things you just find.

      That being said, it always saddens me to see "capitalism" thrown around like it's some unimpeachable, unquestionable good force. I wish people would question it, as it's sure got an awful lot of negatives. At some point, I sure hope we can find a better system.

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    14. Re:Conversely by mibe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But you don't need to research the function of the gene to develop a patentable treatment, so long as you know the guy down the street is going to research the function and let everyone know.

      For instance, Myriad made their money by sequencing BRCA genes - but they only sequence BRCA because they figured out the function of the genes in breast cancer risk. The first part (sequencing tests) is easy, I can quite literally design a sequencing test for that tomorrow (I am a molecular geneticist), but figuring out which genes to sequence and why is the hard part. All I have to do is sit around and wait for some sucker to put in all the R&D money into finding out - for instance - the big autism gene, and then once he's done that I can immediately begin making money off of his work by offering a test for it.

      Once again, abolishing gene patents alone isn't the answer. Abolishing gene patents removes the incentive for private funding of genetic research - we need more public funding to fill in the gaps, or private funding will only continue on a condition of secrecy.

    15. Re:Conversely by QuantumG · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You can do all the research you like, it won't save lives. You can figure out how to make a drug that will cure [insert undesirable disease here] and publish the formula on the Internet.. watch as no-one will pay for the clinical trials to make the drug legal to sell.

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    16. Re:Conversely by besalope · · Score: 4, Informative

      The drug formulas can still patented.

      The judge just invalidated corporate patents that restricted others from working on trying to cure problems from "patented" genes without paying royalties.

    17. Re:Conversely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's ironic that we can even call this newer thinking "science." The whole point of the scientific method is to allow for peer review and improvement. For centuries, mathematicians and inventors have been building upon one another's work without compensation expectations --they were already schooled and rich enough to be in their advantaged positions. How can Galileo patent finding moons with his telescope, therefore keeping others from legally verifying there is a moon there at all? Now that everyone is educated and the Earth is overcrowded, everyone is finding the need to grab on to something intangible because the bar of competition has been raised so high beyound our humble ~1500's scientific history.

      The problem is this: someone discovers the existance of gasoline for the first time and patents it, knowing that it can be used to move vehicles, but having no clue to where, and how or for how much. By patenting it just so they can be the only ones to build a car, they're keeping all other scientists from using the now findable gasoline to create automobiles --which sardonically, is yet ANOTHER process the person will create a new patent for... This second part is the real point of patents. Patenting before you have a process to create something is absurd. Having a question in your hands has never entitled you to be the only person looking for the solution, and you wil probably die before finding a solution to patent.

      All scientists know that discoveries are unexpected, with unpredictable implications, and research leading to the random discovery is costly. However, it is merely voluntary research, having calculated costs an budgets. Governments do not sign contracts beforehand to guarantee full ownership of a cure that you may never find --that stifles the chances of finding it in the same way that OSS software bugs must not be "owned" by any one individual fixer. Scientists know full well that the discovery becomes public knowledge, but discovering provides an understanding the item that other "leechers" as many posters here would call them, would use. Ownership and entitlement are poorly understood this day and age, especially when it comes to things you cannot hide, capture or prevent the copying of for good or for evil.

    18. Re:Conversely by reverseengineer · · Score: 5, Informative

      The real issue, in my opinion, with these patents is that Myriad tries to make the information of the gene sequence essential to any detection method for that gene. Take a look at Myriad's patent for the breast cancer-related gene BRCA2. Right at the beginning, "Specifically, the present invention relates to methods and materials used to isolate and detect a human breast cancer predisposing gene (BRCA2), some mutant alleles of which cause susceptibility to cancer, in particular breast cancer. More specifically, the invention relates to germline mutations in the BRCA2 gene and their use in the diagnosis of predisposition to breast cancer." So at first glance, you might think that this patent refers to a diagnostic test for BRCA2, which seems to be an acceptable place for a patent for many people. After all, DNA sequences are just molecules, and there are any number of non-contentious patented tests for biological molecules already- think of glucose test strips, for instance. Manufacturers have found ways to patent various advances in testing for blood glucose without actually asserting a patent on glucose itself.

      However, when you test for something like glucose, the test result is going to be a concentration. When you talk about performing a test for BRCA2-based cancer susceptibility, you don't just need to "detect" BRCA2, but be able to isolate it and determine whether it differs from the wild-type BRCA2. So Myriad had the idea that in their patent claims they could define their "methods and materials" to be both the likely molecular bio technique intermediates, and also the molecules that are the theoretical outcomes of any BRCA2 test.

      Paraphrasing some of their claims: -We claim the isolated normal BRCA2 sequence, and any isolated subset of that sequence comprised of at least 15 contiguous nucleotides.
      -We claim the isolated major mutant sequence of BRCA2 known to be involved in susceptibility to cancer, and any isolated subset of that sequence comprised of at least 15 contiguous nucleotides.
      -We claim nearly 40 different variants of the major mutant sequence.
      -We claim any sort of cloning vector, expression vector, recombinant cell line, or PCR primer involving an at least 15 contiguous nucleotide stretch of any of the above sequences.

      So Myriad was trying to claim that the invention was a diagnostic method, just that any molecule corresponding to the nucleotide sequences they claimed were an intrinsic part of the "method." What's interesting about the "15 contiguous nucleotides" mention that keeps cropping up is that BRCA2 is over 11000 nucleotides long, producing a protein 3400 amino acids long, such that Myriad laid claim to tiny fragments of the gene which would have had no BRCA2 function on their own.

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    19. Re:Conversely by sjames · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Evil thought: How about e turn it around. If I claim ownership of a dog, and that dog bites someone, I am liable for the medical bills.

      If a biotech firm claims ownership of a gene and that gene causes cancer, they should be liable for the cancer. Perhaps they would be better off with a narrow patent on a particular method of screening for that gene's presence.

    20. Re:Conversely by oiron · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And if someone, purely out of random mutation naturally develops that sequence? Sue them for infringement?

    21. Re:Conversely by BitZtream · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Check your funding a little closer. Most of that money comes from grants by drug companies that gets donated to the government to be disseminated to research projects.

      Don't get me wrong, we're (public) losing in the deal but its actually not nearly as bad as you think. They occasionally buy us dinner and bring lube with them.

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    22. Re:Conversely by robotkid · · Score: 2, Informative

      I am not a biochemist so I must ask some questions about your particular example with breast cancer genes. I'm lead to believe that 'discovering a breast cancer gene' is extremely difficult.

      It was the first time it was done. Since then, the cost for sequencing an entire human genome has fallen to under $10,000, expected to go down to $1,000 within a year or two. Less comprehensive diagnostics are even cheaper than that - think paternity testing expensive, not "you need your own research institution" expensive.

      Doesn't the number of sets of DNA one must collect coupled with the accuracy of those collections coupled with the willingness of the volunteers coupled with the number of potential snippets of DNA that could be the gene coupled with all sorts of other complications and permutations make finding such a gene like finding a needle in a haystack? Doesn't that require vast amounts of resources? And then to do it for all sorts of diseases?

      This is the key misconception. Finding disease-linked genes and mutations was extremely difficult in the pre-human genome era. The technology is currently getting cheaper and faster to the same tune as CPU power, it's rather a routine type of exercise now. The problem is that, except for the most trivial of cases, simply isolating and sequencing these genes alone brings us very little insight as to the underlying mechanism of the disease.

      The gene probably codes for a protein of unknown function, so you have to isolate it and purify it and figure out what it does. It probably interacts with an unknown number of other proteins, often also of unknown function, so you have to figure all of that too, by knocking the gene out of a rat or mouse. The gene probably gets turned on and off or levels inbetween by other genes, so you have to map out all those interactions too. It probably acts different in diseases tissues vs healthy tissues, so you need to study it in cell culture to figure out the difference. And, of course, if you actually want to bind candidate drugs to it, then you might need to figure out the 3-D structure of the protein so you know the shape and size of any achilles heels it might have. But even after all that, you're still probably screwed because often things works very differently in a test tube than in cell culture than in rats than it does in chimpanzees than it does in actual human patients. But you can't test your hypothesis by mucking with the genes of actual humans, apparently that's unethical :-)

      My point is you could spend an entire PhD on every one of these little parts and still not understand how they interact to cause a disease. But you CAN study it - that is the advance that having sequenced the gene allows - before that, we were completely in the dark. But it's a starting address, no more and no less.

      it means if anyone uses your genes to develop a cure, you get royalties for that patent term.

      Sequencing a gene is cheap, like I said, you seem to assume it's prohibitively expensive. Can one patent raw biological information? If you are Monsanto, then you can patent a GMO that you've added a drought resistance gene into. It's a new creation, and you can describe exactly how you did it and exactly what it does. That requires a level of understanding of a gene that is so detailed that it certainly should be patentable. But I submit to you that noone currently understands what most cancer genes actually DO. Can you patent something if you don't understand how it works? Most of the patents in question barely provide any explanation, if at all, about how a gene actually works. The descriptions read like stuff from high-school biology textbooks. They are really that bad, I kid you not.

      I scoff at your claims of gene squatting as you have to say what the gene does and pay the huge patent fees to get the patent (so you can't just patent each gene as the breast cancer ge

    23. Re:Conversely by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can still patent the vaccine for polio (which the inventor could have patented and declined to because he thought it should be free), but you can't patent the genetic sequence of it. You can patent any treatment for breast cancer you want. However, patenting a discovery about a gene linked to breast cancer can't be done. There's nothing at all in this ruling that would jeopardize any actual or potential treatment or cure. The patent was to block research so no one could treat the "disease" as if someone patented polio was was suing anyone else working on a cure for polio.

    24. Re:Conversely by AK+Marc · · Score: 2, Informative

      The world is filled full of natural examples of how being first gives you a solid distinct advantage.

      But the system isn't set up to honor all firsts. The first person to, say, eat an entire bicycle couldn't get a patent on eating bicycles. Finding things doesn't get you patents. You don't patent a new bug discovered, so why should you be able to patent its genetic code?

      They are trying to patent a discovered star and charge all astronomers that look at it. The star was there before them. If they used a new method for discovering it, patent the process or device or whatever. But the actual item that was there before they were born and will be there long after they are dead is not patentable. It wasn't invented, created, or in any way modified by the person filing the patent. They did no work to make it. Patents are for making things, and nothing was made by the person filing, and the thing existed before they filed - it's its own prior art.

    25. Re:Conversely by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're not really this ignorant are you?

      Yes, I am. I understand that the patent system only patents creations and not discoveries. That makes me ignorant.

      Ok, I'm a researcher, I want to find out the genetic cause of some untreatable disease.. because I want the disease to be treated. Who's going to pay for my lab time?

      You either look out there for those who have posted requests for researchers and do what they ask, or you write proposals. Duh, now who's ignorant?

      Previously, I could go to industry and say "ok, here's my credentials, you get the patents, deal?" and that's where the funding could come from.

      Ah, so you are a whore who sells his soul for profit. And you blame people like me for getting in the way of you selling yourself for profit. You do all the work, they get all the rewards, and the two of you lock out everyone else. And, once the patent on the discovery is obtained, they use it to *prevent* a cure for profit for themselves at the cost of lives. And you like that system because it's easier for you to make money in that system.

      No drug companies target the genes I discovered for treatments. After all, that'd start a race and no drug company can afford to get into a race.

      So, making the first drug and patenting it to block others would make them billions, but they won't try because they would spend money and someone else might come up with something first? So, 400 years later, when the gene is known for hundreds of years and no one has started making a drug to fight it, do you think that one of them might try? No, they'll still be paralyzed because they think someone else might do it at the same time? Yup, that's consistent with your logic so far. After all, since the swine flu was well known, no one tried to make a vaccine for it. Or polio. Or HPV. Nope, those are well known viruses, so no one would ever waste money trying to cure those because someone else might also come up with a cure.

    26. Re:Conversely by HungryHobo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      and no drug company can afford to get into a race

      well they'll be poor drug companies in a few years when their current patents run out then.

      No drug companies target the genes I discovered for treatments. After all, that'd start a race and no drug company can afford to get into a race.

      Really?
      Drug companies aren't interested in potentially lucrative drug patents?
      By that logic they'd never fund your research to find the genetic cause of some untreatable disease since they'd be in a race with other companies to locate those genes and patent them.
      Which is complete bullshit.

      Drug companies are always in a race, this just moves the starting line a little further along and allows more people take part.

    27. Re:Conversely by ArtemaOne · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is what they do with genetically modified crops. If your crop gets infected you have to pay.

  3. Well of course its invalid... by paper+tape · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well of course its invalid...

    God could claim Prior Art.

    ;)

    1. Re:Well of course its invalid... by Cryacin · · Score: 5, Funny

      Come on, if God was such a freaking fantastic engineer, why the hell did he put a sewage outlet right in the middle of a recreational zone?

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    2. Re:Well of course its invalid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey! New Jersey was created by the British, not God!

  4. About time they got their hands out of my genes! by pecosdave · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seriously, all this groping around in my genes and telling me that they owned anything they found. Fucking lawyers.

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  5. Monsanto by Anarki2004 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I would like to see something similar happen to Monsanto's patents.

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    1. Re:Monsanto by Bruha · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think it should be illegal though. If you have a farm next door to a patented crop, bees cross polinate, and then monsanto is knocking on your door.

      In essence their patent is viral in nature.

  6. I'm glad and all... by JorDan+Clock · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But I'm kind of upset that we live in a society that we have to tell someone "No, you cannot have exclusive rights to a natural occurrence." Worse yet, this "patent" prevented anyone from even looking at the gene, whether it was for diagnostic or research purposes.

  7. Re:About time they got their hands out of my genes by JustShootMe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah. that's not lawyers! That's a wife!

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  8. Natural Resource by LightPhoenix7 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can't patent coal, or wood, so why should you be able to patent a natural resource like DNA? If they create something new from it, like a new allele or treatment, I'd say that's fair game. In the end, this is an extremely important ruling, but unfortunately it's probably not the end. It will probably require the Supreme Court to make a ruling. I don't see anyone involved giving up that easily.

  9. What's all this bunk about patent genes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Back in my day, genes were supposed to help give you the rugged looks of a cowboy or an outdoorsman, not of a greasy 19-year old kid on the make at the disco with his obnoxious friends. Patent genes! What will they think of next!!

    (after whispered exchange)

    Ohhhhh. Um. Never mind!

  10. I don't get it ! by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't get it !

    If they can patent the way I work (while listening to music), why can't I patent my own genes?

    Double standards??

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    1. Re:I don't get it ! by Jurily · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Prior art.

    2. Re:I don't get it ! by Shikaku · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yep. There was a lot of prior art in your mother before you were born I bet too.

    3. Re:I don't get it ! by Shikaku · · Score: 2, Funny

      They are jealous of my perfect your mom joke: it's true, it's not an insult, it's funny, and it actually makes sense.

  11. Re:About time they got their hands out of my genes by Cryacin · · Score: 2, Funny

    Generally once they become wives, the groping ceases. Mind you, they still lay claim!

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  12. Discovery, not Invention by BlueBoxSW.com · · Score: 5, Insightful

    See the difference?

  13. Don't forget GMOs by JumboMessiah · · Score: 4, Informative

    Gene patents are also big in the agriculture industry. And they actively sue to keep it that way.

  14. The US Supreme Court ruling by pearl298 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The US Supreme Court ruling used the term "anything under the sun that is made by man".

    The essence of this lawsuit is that the natural genes were "discovered" not "made by man".

    In other words these patents were invalid under existing law. Nothing new here, bad patents have been around since King James (the gay King of England and Scotland).

  15. Re:Gene Patents Don't Interfere With Research by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So gene patents are both ethically wrong since they're patenting a discovery instead of an invention, and useless for the patent holder as well. Good to know.

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  16. Henrietta Lacks by blaster151 · · Score: 2, Informative

    It was so surreal to see this as the most recent headline on Slashdot - two minutes before, I'd finished listening to the audio version of "The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks," which touches on issues surrounding genetic research and the unfortunate incursion of capitalism into tissue storage and research. The book itself is a fascinating mix of science and history, but the Afterword is all about the commercialism of genetic research and the obstacles it's introducing to scientific progress. Who owns human tissues and the research advances that come from them: the patients, the researchers, or the scientific community and the world? More information about the book can be found here: The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks

    I was dismayed to learn that it would cost millions to test one individual for all known genetic diseases, not because of inherent costs of the technology but because of all the patents and licensing fees. I hope that today's positive ruling cascades in positive ways to other realms of gene patenting and unthrottles scientific progress.

  17. that's not really how the case worked by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 2, Informative

    It would be one thing if the farmer were complaining he couldn't sell his crop because it was contaminated. Instead he was found to be using the features of the Monsanto crop (Roundup resistance).

    If the crop just blew over and he still grew it as normal it'd be one thing, but instead he knew it was genetically modified and he was using that feature of it to make his growing easier.

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    1. Re:that's not really how the case worked by throughwithit · · Score: 2, Interesting

      He may have known it was modified, but the Canadian Supreme Court also found that he never actually used RoundUp on the crop of interest to the court case.

  18. if you take the money out of marketing by epoxide · · Score: 2, Insightful

    you sell less drugs, and there's less money for R&D. Pharma doesn't spend money on marketing unless it generates more revenue than it costs: they have the guys with calculators to figure that out. Spending money on buying back shares, private jets, or buying out Sirtris: yeah, that hurts R&D. Marketing the drugs to people who shouldn't be taking them (Vioxx) and then losing 3x as much in the inevitable lawsuits: yeah, that hurts R&D. Someone did a study a while back, and found that the biggest effect that direct to consumer advertising of drugs had on sales wasn't to get people to bug their doctors to write them a scrip, it was in reminding people to refill the prescriptions they already had.

  19. Well put. by epoxide · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Plus, a lot of the sequencing was done by a private for-profit company, Celera, at a fraction of the cost of the public effort.

  20. Huzzah! by hallux.sinister · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is great news for me! With all patent concerns swept away, surely the injunction against my cells copying their own genetic code will be lifted, and they can resume their normal mitotic and meiotic activities! This is really wonderful because since the question came up, they have been unable to reproduce, (legally) and consequently, I have been feeling really sick lately. What a breath of fresh air! :)

  21. Patents get it RIGHT, folks! by mcrbids · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Patents aren't perfect. No form of IP is - all forms of IP are a compromise.

    But in large part, (perhaps excepting software patents and MAYBE gene patents) the concept of a "patent" gets it RIGHT!!!

    In the area of pharmaceuticals, If you do away with patents, then you lose the endless supply of 20-year-old innovation you now know as "generic drugs" because the deal with patents is that, in exchange for FULL AND COMPLETE DISCLOSURE of the patented concept, the owner/holder of the patent gets a reasonable amount of time (20 years in most cases) to exploit the patent for profit. At the end of that 20 years, the patent concepts become public domain and are carefully documented for the public domain.

    Just tonight, I took a generic form of Coreg for my blood pressure. It's a highly effective drug that cost millions to develop. Because the original drug was patented, the method of producing it was well documented and in the public domain. The result was a box of pills that extend my life at a cost of just $7 per month!

    Do away with drug patents and you won't see cheaper drugs, you'll see more expensive drugs, and a rapid halt of forward progress.

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  22. Re:They didn't strike down a gene patent by Beezlebub33 · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you patented a breathalyzer, would you call it a patent on alcohol?

    No, but if the patent was written such that any test that detected alcohol would violate the patent, then it would be a patent on alcohol. That's my understanding of Myriad's patent and assertions about it. There is simply no way to create another test for BRCA2-based cancer that does not violate the patent, using any method. That's why the patent is broken and should be thrown out.

    FTFA: "The patents granted to Myriad give the company the exclusive right to perform diagnostic tests on the BRCA1 and BRCA2 genes and to prevent any researcher from even looking at the genes without first getting permission from Myriad."

    That's operationally a patent on the genes, and in your analogy, it would be essentially a patent on alcohol testing of any kind.

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