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Next iPhone — Front-Facing Camera, A4 Processor

As a quarter million pre-orderers wait for their iPad on Saturday, the millions of iPhone users can start speculating in earnest about the next gen iPhone. The rumors start by saying "It will be dubbed the 'iPhone HD' and will include a double resolution display, a front facing camera, multitasking support, and the blazing A4 processor."

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  1. And this is different from the 10000 other rumors by fulgan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...because ?

  2. Remarkable, though... by vikingpower · · Score: 5, Insightful

    .... how Apple always manages to thrive upon rumors instead of upon "classical" ads. You may call such rumors "hypes", and they prolly are. Still, they do constitute remarkable publicity feats.

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  3. Re:And this is different from the 10000 other rumo by BarryJacobsen · · Score: 4, Funny

    And this is different from the 10000 other rumors...because ?

    Cause it's rumors that are occurring less than a week before the iPad - DUH!

  4. Re:And this is different from the 10000 other rumo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't worry, the other 10000 rumors will all get their own Slashdot articles too.

  5. More speculating? by Bicx · · Score: 4, Informative

    Is Apple product speculation really that interesting to people? Maybe it's fun to have that initial thought on what emerging tech could be, but Apple speculation quickly escalates into a never-ending stream of annoyance that builds expectations up to an unachievable level.

    1. Re:More speculating? by jo_ham · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You don't understand - this is slashdot. The rules work like this:

      1. Dredge up some random rumour site from the depths of the internet with possible Apple product info. This is usually wild speculation and based on the Mountain-Dew-fueled ramblings of an Apple fan.

      2. Bash this "finished product" on slashdot because it doesn't do x, y or z, or because it doesn't run Linux and use totally patent free technology.

      3. Complain that Apple is getting free publicity and that they are mentioned too much.

      4. Bring up comparisons to Apple in totally unrelated stories. Go to step 3 several times.

      5. Apple announces product.

      6. Complain that product is nothing like the rumour sites *guaranteed* it would be.

      7. Complain that it's locked down (again) and that anyone who buys one for any reason is a clueless sheep.

      8. Claim that the product is "proof" that Apple will soon fall.

      9. Wait for netcraft to confirm it.

      10. Assuming non-confirmation after two quarters of continued profitability for Apple, and large sales numbers of the "doomed" product, go to step 1.

  6. Re:And this is different from the 10000 other rumo by trurl7 · · Score: 5, Funny

    +5 Painfully True

  7. Hopefully Not by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The iPhone's refusal to adopt Flash, coupled with its huge popularity, is among the greatest forces driving development away from Flash and towards alternate platforms. This is a good thing.

    1. Re:Hopefully Not by MobyDisk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is a good thing.

      Since you've been modded to "Interesting" I think it is fair to ask "Why?"

    2. Re:Hopefully Not by dintech · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wish they could do something about the battery life though.

    3. Re:Hopefully Not by DJRumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Here here. There is no need for Flash on a touch phone for starters (it just doesn't work), it kills the battery on pretty much any non-ac powered device, and HTML 5 looks far more promising to me.

      As to the rumored phone features, I'm 'meh' about the higher resolution (pixel density is already good for that size screen) although it would make converting DVD's a bit easier as I wouldn't have to resize from the stock resolutions. The front facing camera will make self portraits a bit easier. I don't have any plans to utilize video chat. I never use it on my PC's, and I doubt I would ever use it on a phone.

      Most of these selling points just seem like must haves just because someone thought they sounded like a good idea and not because they really add a 'must have' feature. I dont' know how much real world value they will bring but I'll reserve judgement until I see one. I also don't use any apps that require multi-tasking outside of the core apps, although I suppose listening to streaming radio might be a nice change from my own tunes at the gym. I think the only multi-tasking I would find handy is answering a text message without having to exit what I'm currently in. Happens at the gym fairly often. Minor inconvenience.

      I'm also satisfied with the speed on the 3GS, so I don't know what the A4 will bring to the table. Possibly to better handle video chat? I suppose the only item of interest for me are the rumors of 4G support, and hopefully 'N' wireless.

    4. Re:Hopefully Not by Abcd1234 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The general view is that flash is a relatively closed format (yeah, it's an open spec, but let's face it, no one else has a player comparable to Adobe's implementation), based on a patented codec, wrapped up with a rather annoying DRM layer.

      Personally, my view is that flash is simply annoying... it's slow, clunky, sucks up CPU time, interacts poorly with the mouse and keyboard, is only barely cross-platform (let's face it, Linux gets the short end of the Flash stick) and is generally less elegant than an integrated browser solution. Well, at least for video (I never play flash games, so if it sticks around in that niche, hey, so be it).

    5. Re:Hopefully Not by diskofish · · Score: 4, Informative

      Wrong. Why do people here always pull shit out of their asses? You can download the Flex SDK and compiler for free from Adobe, and if you like, you can buy the IDE from Adobe for about $250.

    6. Re:Hopefully Not by delinear · · Score: 4, Funny

      I wish they could do something about the battery life though.

      They are, a faster processor, higher resolution and second camera should do something about battery life. Of course, it won't be something positive, but you can't have everything :)

    7. Re:Hopefully Not by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So its ok that Apple close everything down and make it so that you have to have a signed app (drm) to run anything on their phone, but not ok that flash is a closed format?

      Also you say "a patented codec" you know Flash supports about 6 different video codecs and 6 different audio formats right?

      On CPU time - the only reason it sucks cpu time on the Mac is because Apple doesn't publically document hardware acceleration for video players - essentially to do video on the Mac you have to use their slow Quicktime libs. In fact the only apps that use these secret api's are made by Apple (remember how Microsoft got a lot of flak over them being the only ones using secret tools/api's on Office to give them a competitive edge?). On my windows machine app - run of the mill Flash apps never seem to approach 10% cpu overhead in a worse case scenario. I have a 933 MHz Celeron based umpc that runs Windows XP and plays all flash apps (including hulu) just fine.

      The one study that was done on the Nexus One showed that playing video on Flash 10 used about 6% of the battery resources overall.

    8. Re:Hopefully Not by Ryvar · · Score: 5, Interesting

      iPhone battery life is, I've found, *entirely* dependent upon your location.

      Placing an average of 10 5-15 minute calls a day, my iPhone 3G which is coming up on 2 years old lasts 2.5-3 days in the Boston metro area.

      Back when it was 6 months old, placing 5 15-20 minute calls in the heart of San Francisco plus a little Google maps had the battery go from a full charge to completely drained in 6 hours. Similar results in the 7-8 hour range occurred on my next two visits.

      Contrast to the Sprint Mogul, which consistently had a 36-hour battery life no matter where I was.

      Presumably number of towers, number of competing phones, ambient radio noise and building/terrain geometry, etc. are the primary factors. Either way, my point is that this is a very relative thing: the iPhone is simultaneously the best and worst smartphone I've ever had in terms of battery life, depending on which city I'm in.

      --Ryv

  8. Re:Front facing camera? by TheKidWho · · Score: 4, Informative

    Exactly, god forbid someone wants to use Skype for video conferencing!

  9. Recurring lesson about Apple by dazedNconfuzed · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If there's one thing history teaches about rumors regarding upcoming Apple products, it's that nobody talking knows anything. If anyone gets any Apple-product prediction right it's because enough monkeys pounding on typewriters will eventually write Shakespeare.

    Remember how the iPad was supposed to have a front-facing camera, an awesome chess game, full 1080p HD video, solar charging, biometric security, etc. - and wasn't going to just be a fat iPod Touch? Yeah.

    Sure the next iPhone will be an improvement. Duh. Anything more than that is pure rampant rabid speculation.

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    1. Re:Recurring lesson about Apple by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sure the next iPhone will be an improvement.

      It will run Android.

      Zzzzzzing!

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  10. A new, innovative product! by Computer_kid · · Score: 5, Funny

    I present to you, the iPad Nano!

  11. Re:Front facing camera? by Graham+J+-+XVI · · Score: 3, Informative

    The front facing camera would be in addition to the higher resolution camera at the rear. It would be used for video conferencing.

  12. Re:Not so HD ? by Jack+Zombie · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The video camera could be HD and shoot at 720p.

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  13. Source Article by necro81 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Good Grief. I have a first-gen iPhone, and will consider upgrading when the next version comes out. So you can expect that I'm excited about the possible specs on. But, really, the linked article is a ridiculous i-gasm. If you are going to report this stuff, stick to the original sources, rather than linking to second-hand articles that lace their copy with unabashed fanboy-ism. If you want color commentary along with your tech news, check out the relevant post on Engadget.

    What actually kicked off this latest wave of speculation was an an article from the Wall Street Journal, stating that Apple is developing a CDMA version of the iphone for Verizon. The WSJ is a fairly reputable source that wouldn't print unless they had some solid evidence, so this should be interpreted as a bit more than a typical rumor.

  14. How will affect old stuff by fermion · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Perhaps it is because the phones are changing so much, but Apple does not seem to be keeping to their traditional 3 years of useful life policy. I had to replace my first gen iPhone because the 3.0 software, released only two years after the iPhone, ran like a dog. Unlike a general purpose computer, the new OS get pushed through the synch process so there is little hope of keeping it off.

    With the iPad and probably a new iPhone leveraging much more computing power, I can imagine an iPhone 4.0 software that will also make the current iPhones run like dogs, and I would not be surprised to see such an OS by the end of this year. This would not be so much of an issue but most of us sign two year contracts, but the OS seems to make hardware obsolete in 18 months. I sure wish that Apple would let us pay 50 dollars for to reduce the contract terms to one year. That is what I used to with phones.

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  15. Screen resolution by Xest · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If this is true then it's really no suprise, particularly regarding the screen resolution.

    Many pointed out the issue of having to cater to different screen sizes with Android and touted the iPhone as a superior platform for development because it's hardware is static.

    I've long said that it's not realistically going to stay that way, with the iPhone you already have differences between existing models that you must cater too in terms of performance and certain features. It's not suprising that resolution is now something you will also have to deal with, because the iPhone was already running at half the resolution of the likes of the Nexus One.

    Of course, you might say that Apple will automatically scale apps, which is an option, but that just means the apps wont be making any use of the higher resolution.

    It'll be interesting to see how Apple handles this, and with the iPad coming too, developers for Apple's platform are going to have to cater to differences just as with Android, and just as developers of desktop apps have always had to.

    Realistically it could only ever be a pipe dream to keep the hardware static, else the phone would simply get dated and no other platforms based on the technology (i.e. the iPad) could ever be released. If this is true it's really a vindication of the fact that if you want your platform to advance, and stay relevant, there's no hiding behind the supposed advantage of having a static hardware platform for the sake of easier development. Developers are going to have to work and deal with differences over time regardless whether they're developing for Windows, Android or the iPhone.

    Do any iPhone developers here know whether this means existing applications might have to be updated to support different resolutions? It'll be a massive job if so, so I'm guessing by default the new iPhone will indeed just scale graphics or something to start with unless an application specifically handles differing resolutions?

  16. Re:Front facing camera? by teg · · Score: 5, Informative

    So taking pictures of yourself is more important than having a prevew of what you are taking a picture of so it will come out level and properly framed? I fear for the future of photos...

    A front facing camera - in addition to the normal one on the back - has been common on other phones for many years. They were part of one of the launching features of 3G - video calls. Unfortunately for the phone companies hoping that this would increase traffic and revenue, noone liked holding their phones half a meter in front of them to do a call and the technology is still unused.

    Personally, I hope Apple doesn't add one. It's pointless, and takes space/cost that could be used for other things. I had one on my Nokia N95, and used it once.

  17. Re:front facing, rear facing by Marcika · · Score: 4, Insightful

    is there some reason why a camera cannot be flexible to face whatever direction the user wants?

    Moving parts, hinges, even rotating mirrors, are failure-prone and take a lot of space. Most phone with front-facing cameras use two smaller lenses instead and leave out any moving parts -- my 4-year-old Sony Ericsson K610 has a VGA front camera for videoconferencing and a 2MP rear-facing camera for proper pictures. I am pretty sure that the iPhone will use the same concept.

  18. Re:Not so HD ? by BarryJacobsen · · Score: 4, Funny

    Considering your average camera phone lens can barely resolve a barcode, I'm not quite sure what the point of HD shooting would be.

    HD Barcodes?

  19. Re:Multi-tasking : do not want by pushing-robot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ever use a Windows Mobile device? Background tasks on mobile hardware should be avoided whenever possible. Not because it's hard to multi-task, mind you—it's just hard to enjoy a smartphone when you have to constantly hunt for random process that are killing your battery life and/or slowing your phone to a crawl.

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  20. Re:Why would nerds want this? by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    and you N900 is also dog slow., herky jerky and has phone problems. I loved my N900, but I need a phone first and a pocket PC second. I had cell tower hand-off problems, Bluetooth connectivity with my car sucked (have to reboot N900 after EVERY call to make another call through the car's hands free bluetooth, Damn Ford and BMW and their non standard Bluetooth that works with all other phones INCLUDING older Nokias!) The interface get's slow at times making you wait, AND I experienced lockups at times.

    I had to have a phone that worked with my bluetooth and worked as a phone 100% of the time. the N900 is not useable for that. Sadly my friends iPhone did not have problems with using the car's bluetooth integration, and he does not have lockups or loss of cellphone reception in many places. Yes I checked... my kichen, N900 = no signal his iphone 2 bars. walk to living room 5 bars, N900 still no signal for 30-60 seconds..... OH there it is! I get 3 bars! WOOOO!

    I'm seriously thinking of selling my N900 on ebay and getting an iPhone or a Nexus 1

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  21. Resolution by sonicmerlin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm impressed by its resolution, which is purported to be 960 x 640, according to engadget: http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/wsj-apple-developing-new-iphone-plus-another-for-verizon/

    That's a step-up from the rest of the pack, including the "super-phone" EVO 4G. I'm wondering if this also means a step-up in overall screen size.

    Regardless of where you fall in the iPhone fan/hate camp, you have to admit competition breeds excellence.

    Now if only we could do something about the locked-in phones, 2 year contracts, "subsidized" loan plans, and uncompetitive wireless market in the US.

  22. Re:Why would nerds want this? by ducomputergeek · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ah, but one point you failed to realize: the iPhone is not nor ever was for nerds & geeks. It was for everyone else. And there are a lot more everyone elses. And I for one consider lack of flash to be a feature, not a bug. And as someone who worked in video production in the earlier part of the last decade, H.264 won and for very good reasons. Primarily, it's the best Codec available. We now have a standard to which all devices/software should be writing & playing. The last thing I want to see is a return to Codec Hell.

    Regardless I have heard from several people inside ATT that they are loosing exclusively and we're likely to see a CDMA iPhone for Verizon or Sprint later this year. Although if the wireless carriers in the US begin deploying 4G technology (which is supposed to be the same for everyone), then maybe we'll finally see a phone that will work on all carriers.

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  23. Flash on Linux by Enderandrew · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I always hear that Linux gets the short-end of the Flash stick.

    Flash is buggy and unstable on all platforms. Since I run nightly builds of Firefox on Windows with out-of-process plugins, I haven't had one single Firefox crash. However, I've seen Flash crash left and right. Apple's crash reports show Flash is the number one cause of application crashes on their platform.

    Linux support used to be terrible. The Linux player was way behind, and Adobe didn't seem to care to update it.

    Today Linux is the only platform you can get an official 64-bit version of Flash. One can argue that Adobe has treated Linux better than the other platforms by giving them a 64-bit Flash before anyone else.

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  24. My prediction by jonwil · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Better 3G chip to go with all the carriers that have rolled out various kinds of HSDPA
    Same CPU as the iPad (or more likely a version that cuts back the speed and power consumption to account for the smaller battery on the iPhone)
    No multitasking (regardless of battery life concerns, Apple would need to "ruin" its perfect UI with some kind of task switcher feature)
    No front facing camera (video calling has not taken off in the way phone carriers would like, especially in the US. AFAIK its almost non-existent on AT&T)
    Rewritten bootloaders and security to make jailbreaking and unlocking harder
    I suspect 802.11n will appear IF apple can find a low power chip that doesn't require devoting too much of the internal space of the iPhone to the antenna.

    I predict that there will still be no support for:
    Loading apps without going through the app store
    Fast 2D drawing APIs (CoreSurface or whatever it is) being able to be used in official apps
    External keyboards of any kind
    Any peripheral where Apple doesn't get a cut from every unit sold.
    Any kind of ability for apps to share data files with each other
    Any kind of ability to load arbitrary files onto an iPhone (i.e. a generic "documents" folder)

    I also predict that there will continue to be many reasons Apple will reject your app submission, all of which exist as official policy at Apple (and are known to the app store reviewers) and none of which Apple will ever disclose to developers. One of these "unwritten rules" is likely "no apps that mean less revenue for Apple carrier partners such as AT&T"

  25. Re:And this is different from the 10000 other rumo by dloose · · Score: 4, Insightful

    App Store is a seriously controlled environment and they already impose strict guidelines for developers. How does an idle application even eat up more battery? It's not like your RAM needs more power if it's used a little bit more. The background app doesn't need to do any drawing and is usually on pause (unless it needs to do certain tasks in the background, and then it makes sense).

    Because the apps you want multitasking for aren't idle. That's the whole point. If an app doesn't have anything to do in the background, then who cares if it quits when you click the home button? Aside from a slightly longer start time, you won't even notice. The whole idea is to have IM apps that run constantly and music apps like Pandora and Last.fm that continue playing when you switch to another app.

    Because you have to travel the menus to locate your app you just switched out from and load up whatever you were doing, and even to perform a quick copy-paste you need to:
    1) save your document
    2) close app 1
    3) locate app 2
    4) open app 2
    5) copy
    6) close app 2
    7) locate app 1
    8) load up the document you were working with
    9) scroll to the point you wanted to paste to
    10) paste
    11) do the same again because your copypaste missed something

    Yeah, seems really convenient and simple.

    Your list has nothing to do with multitasking... It's entirely about switching between applications. If today's iPhone had 3rd party multitasking, the steps you listed wouldn't change, except:

    Step 1: I haven't seen an iPhone app with a "save" gesture. Maybe some of them exist, but most apps just save your changes automatically.
    Steps 8 & 9: Good iPhone apps (which, admittedly, is a small set) take care of these for you by saving their state when you quit.