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How To Build Roads To Control How Fast You Drive

An anonymous reader writes "They're the holy grail of transportation engineering: streets and highways specifically designed to encourage automobilists to drive less quickly, reducing the rates of passenger fatalities and generally encouraging a safer urban environment. And now new research shows that, if built right, they just might work. A new study out of the University of Connecticut suggests that minor reductions in vehicle speed are possible through changes in the street environment. Through the use of roadside parking, tighter building setbacks, and more commercial land uses, road designers can make drivers subconsciously drive more slowly." All of that is gonna work a lot better than my strategy of placing car-sized holes covered with twigs and branches randomly every half mile or so down the interstates.

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  1. From the No Duh Dept. by Lord+Grey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Good grief. From TFA:

    The surveys demonstrated that land use type, roadway type, and building setbacks all played significant roles in determining vehicle speeds. Most importantly, though, having cars parked along the side of streets accounted by itself for a reduction in travel speeds ...

    And:

    So the conclusion is this: People can be induced to reduce their driving speeds when cars are parked along the roadways, when buildings are close to the street, and when those buildings include commercial rather than residential activity.

    Who would have thought that by reducing a driver's visibility, the driver would go slower to give themselves time to react to surprises? You? You in the back? Are you some kind of smartass? The Connecticut Department of Transportation studied this for four years. There's no way you could have arrived at the same conclusion so quickly!

    This study was useful in determining how much people slowed down -- quantifying it at about 10% -- but sweeping on to claims like, "reducing the rates of passenger fatalities and generally encouraging a safer urban environment" is silly. Streets packed with parked cars, pedestrians, nearby buildings, et. al. are generally more dangerous precisely because clear lines-of-sight are cut off. Sane drivers know this, reduce their speed, and then -- making wild hand-waving guesses, here -- wind up with about the same overall level of "dangerousness" as when driving on uncluttered roadways.

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    1. Re:From the No Duh Dept. by somersault · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I was taught the same.

      But also going on a skid training course made me realise how much of a difference there is when emergency braking from 30 and emergency breaking for 20, it's quite dramatic when you actually try it (though no doubt when we were doing that they had the weight on the tires reduced using the rig attached to the car so that it took way longer to stop than a modern car). Putting pedestrians closer to and making them less visible to drivers does not make things safer. Just because a car is going slower does not automatically mean it is "safer". Sure it means it will cause less damage if it hits something, but if the car is more likely to actually hit something because of an inattentive driver or insane road designs, then how the hell is that "safer"?

      PS the lanes, walkways and roads here in the UK are generally thinner and more lined with cars than those in the US.. I don't know the different accident rates but it would be interesting to compare them. I suspect there would be more here.

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    2. Re:From the No Duh Dept. by SIR_Taco · · Score: 5, Interesting

      True, but passenger fatalities will be reduced.... they said nothing about pedestrian fatalities.

      As much as their conclusion makes sense for their premise.... they're not looking at the entire picture.

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    3. Re:From the No Duh Dept. by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We'd probably do a better job in reducing "dangerousness" by making the penalty for repeated speeding and reckless driving something more serious than it is. Maybe death

      Doesn't work.

      The penalty for driving drunk is often death and some people don't seem to mind much.

    4. Re:From the No Duh Dept. by inigopete · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Germans and Dutch have been removing road signs and lights from roads for a few years now in experiments based on the theory that making roads more "dangerous" forces drivers to be more careful.

      e.g. http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.12/traffic.html

      From http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,2143663,00.html, "When you don't exactly know who has right of way, you tend to seek eye contact with other road users,'' he said. ''You automatically reduce your speed, you have contact with other people and you take greater care."

    5. Re:From the No Duh Dept. by hattig · · Score: 5, Informative

      http://www.car-accidents.com/pages/stats.html

      There were nearly 6,420,000 auto accidents in the United States in 2005. The financial cost of these crashes is more than 230 Billion dollars. 2.9 million people were injured and 42,636 people killed. About 115 people die every day in vehicle crashes in the United States -- one death every 13 minutes.

      http://www.theclaimsconnection.co.uk/road-accident-claims1.html

      The number of people killed in road accidents was down from 2,946 in 2007 to 2,538. In accidents reported to the police the number of people either killed or seriously injured stood at 28,572, a fall of 7%.

      So roughly 42,000 deaths versus 2,500 deaths. 307m people in the US version 61m in the UK. Therefore the death rate per 1m people is 137 in the US versus 41 in the UK.

      So, no, there aren't more here (where I assume you mean the UK).

    6. Re:From the No Duh Dept. by Anarki2004 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You shouldn't assume the entire population can drive. Try that again, but use licensed drivers/registered vehicles in place of the total population of the country. Also, I believe that the US has closer to 350m people (not that it matters since you won't be using that number).

      p.s: I would do it myself but I'm just too damn lazy.

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    7. Re:From the No Duh Dept. by Alioth · · Score: 4, Informative

      Slowing also reduces pedestrian fatalities - at 20 mph, a collision with a pedestrian is unlikely to kill (around 10% chance, according to UK government figures), at 40 mph, it's overwhelmingly likely to kill (90% chance). At 30 mph, this is reduced to 50%. Kinetic energy increases at the square of speed, so small reductions in speed have a proportionately great reduction in collision energy.

    8. Re:From the No Duh Dept. by quickgold192 · · Score: 4, Informative

      British driving population:30,000,000
      American driving population:193,552,000

      0.00833 British deaths per 100 drivers
      0.0217 American deaths per 100 drivers

      (done for Anarki)

    9. Re:From the No Duh Dept. by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's because of the American attitude of entitlement. It causes road rage where we "OWN" the road and you doing the speed limit is taking away my RIGHT to break the law dammit! ARRRGH!!!!

      so we drive really stupid here. we drove 2 feet from the car in front of us to "punish them" or to try and "force them to move" by bullying the other driver. We also blow the red lights really late because we are far more important that everyone else. Oops I killed a bicyclist or motorcyclist, they should have not been there!

      Couple that with incredibly inadequate driving education and almost no liability. (In Michigan we have no-fault. I can "accidentally" sideswipe your car and not get in any trouble, only pay for higher insurance rates)

      Death rates here in the USA are higher simply because many of us here really suck at driving and are a danger on the road. It's been that way for a really long time. Even in the 50's we had cartoons trying to educate against road rage and bad driving.

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    10. Re:From the No Duh Dept. by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's gone further than that. I'm taking a motorcycle safety course with my wife. I have ridden for over 30 years, she is starting this year. They now teach you to assume that every car driver is intentionally going to kill you. we were told to assume that every car near you is being operated by a complete idiot that wants you dead.

      And I agree with him, it's how I made it 30 years without an accident.

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    11. Re:From the No Duh Dept. by jeffmeden · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ahem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_OECD_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

      I think what you meant to ask for was "how many deaths per unit of vehicle distance travelled" since this controls not for how many drivers there are but for how much driving is actually going on. If you compare these numbers, you see that the US sees about 9 deaths per billion kilometers, and the UK sees 6.3 deaths. It's slightly more genuine and not nearly as 'shocking' (1.4x more vs 3.3x more fatalities) than the blanket deaths per person metric mentioned earlier. The UK sees fewer deaths overall in just about every measurable metric, however speculating on the actual causation is an exercise in futility left to the reader.

    12. Re:From the No Duh Dept. by delinear · · Score: 4, Funny

      My cynical side suggests the accident rates are lower in the UK because 90% of the cars are stuck in permanent gridlock on the M25...

    13. Re:From the No Duh Dept. by jittles · · Score: 5, Insightful

      While I in no way support or encourage tail-gating, I can tell you that it does get really irritating in FL with grandma driving in the fast lane of a 3 or 4 lane freeway at 55-60mph. Of course people get irritated. It seems to be worse around here in the winter, when retired people from all over flock to FL.

      Tailgaters are part of the problem but the people who feel "entitled" to drive in the fast lane when they aren't passing someone are just as bad.

    14. Re:From the No Duh Dept. by spiritgreywolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      we drove 2 feet from the car in front of us to "punish them" or to try and "force them to move" by bullying the other driver.

      In the USA, a majority of the "road rage" incidents could be avoided if the "Slowmo's" stop racing each other in the left lane and get the out of the passing lane. If you are going slower than the rest of the other traffic, move over. I don't care if you are doing the speed limit or 100MPH over it - if someone is coming up behind you, get over. Not hard - lose the ego and your sense of entitlement that just because you think you are going fast enough you can ride comfortably in the left lane. I don't give a damn if you're the only person on the road for 900 miles - if you are in the left lane and I am coming up behind you get the Hell over. That one little selfless act on your part will lessen the road rage factor. This goes for all you "hyper-milers" in your Priuses, too. STAY IN THE RIGHT LANE.

      Don't get me started on you idiots that can't merge to save your life. It's called an accelerator - grow a pair, get your cage up to speed and get it in there. It's the disparity of speed between drivers that usually cause accidents. I don't care if you are trying to save $0.0004 cents of gas by coasting off your batts and trying to keep your little eco-motor from kicking in - you merge on the highway, act like you mean it or stick to the side roads where people on all these new occluded streets can admire your choice of body panel colors.

      Cluttering up the road and removing sight-lines reduces speed? Wow. Brilliant. As a motorcyclist that's just what I need - more obstacles to dodge.

      sorry for the soapbox rant... :-)

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    15. Re:From the No Duh Dept. by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A lot of this attitude comes from exceptionally rude drivers and exceptionally low speed limits. Most of our roads (compared to Europe) are wide, straight and multilane. You can drive far faster than the speed limit without any risk, and you factor this into account when determining where to live. We elect to live as far into the suburbs as we can to a) get the lowest cost house we can and b) avoid city congestion. The faster you can go, the farther you can live, the farther your income stretches, the happier you are. This is less true for young single people, who may like urban life at any cost.

      Next, particularly in the south, drivers are incredibly rude. They will sit in the left lane while traffic piles up behind them, and not think of getting to the right. My mom's attitude is "I'm going the speed limit, you all can just be patient", which is infuriating if you're behind her. This causes all sorts of bad behavior, the most systemic is the need to pass on the right. Passing on the right, or being the faster vehicle in the right lane, is dangerous precisely because visibility to the rear is limited. If slower traffic is always in the right lane, and you always pass in the left lane, when switching into the right lane you can be reasonably sure you won't hit someone you didn't see. If traffic is going arbitrary speeds in any lane, then it's a free for all, your eyes have to look everywhere and you reduce your margin of error.

      In any event this article makes us mad not because WE OWN THE ROAD, but because most of us want to go faster, not slower. The amount of time we spend on the road is pure overhead and something to reduce. The problem are the inevitable conflicts between small business interests, which tend to want main thoroughfares going right past their door and want this "town center" idea where you can park and wander through town from shop to shop; versus commuter interests, who mostly want to go from dense business area to residential area, with as limited access between as possible. The small business interests intentionally wish to impede your commute such that you're going slow, you may as well stop and shop on your way home, and are just using this pedestrian accident thing as a scapegoat. If they did not attempt to get in the way of commuters, there would also be fewer accidents. Even here in Texas, home of the land yacht, when they opened up the new tollway around Austin all you heard was business owners bitching and moaning that traffic didn't flow by them anymore. I had 0 sympathy since they were largely located halfway to nowhere, neither near residential centers nor business centers, where people may use free time to shop. But I'm sure they'd love to have had this study when they were trying to kill the road.

    16. Re:From the No Duh Dept. by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The Autobahn isn't as well-constructed as the US Interstate system. Our interstates are probably the best highways in the world.

      The problem isn't the road, it's the drivers. US drivers are morons, because they'll give a license to anybody. In Germany, you have to spend thousands of dollars on a driving instructor, and take a rigorous test to prove you can actually drive. Not everyone drives; lots of people don't have cars, and just take public transit (which is readily available and convenient there, unlike here). I would imagine many people also only drive sometimes, perhaps for weekend trips and the like, while taking public transit in town.

      With well-trained drivers, and a lot of unskilled people simply not driving, it makes perfect sense they would have a lower accident rate.

      A lot of people simply shouldn't be driving; they have no talent for it. My wife, a helicopter pilot instructor, sees this in aviation. Some people try to become helicopter pilots, and simply can't. They don't have the feel for the controls, and can't manage all the different inputs and still handle the aircraft. (Helicopters aren't like planes; helicopters are inherently unstable, and require constant corrections to maintain controls.) A certain percentage of people who go to helicopter training school wash out because they simply can't do it, and can't perform within standard to pass the licensing tests. While cars are easier than helicopters in some ways (they go straight without wrecking unless you turn the wheel), they're more difficult than others (after all, most aircraft pilots don't fly in very close proximity to other aircraft, unless they're the Blue Angels) because of all the chaos on the street. Some people simply aren't going to be good drivers, no matter how much they train, and they have no business driving. But here in the USA, we view it as a "right" simply because it's so hard to get around without a car in most places, so we're stuck with the bad drivers it seems.

    17. Re:From the No Duh Dept. by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Informative
      "The Autobahn isn't as well-constructed as the US Interstate system. Our interstates are probably the best highways in the world."

      Actually, I do not believe that is the case. From what I had read and seen on documentaries on the Autobahn, it was constructed almost from the beginning for speed. It has banked turns to help keep you on the road at speed, and I believe the road materials are thicker and more greatly reinforced for strength, and better for tires to grip the road.

      From what I'd read...it would cost a great deal more for the US to do their highways like this. That's why they weren't constructed to those specs originally. Unfortunately, with the economic problems we're in now...doubtful we'll ever upgrade or do new construction to specs that will allow for safely using them at significantly higher speeds.

      I think the last show I saw on this, was on the History channel...maybe Modern Marvels? Interesting to say the least.

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  2. Two basic ways to do it by russotto · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1) You can make the road look more dangerous, e.g. with optical illusions to make it look narrower

    2) You can make the road actually and obviously more dangerous, e.g. reducing sight lines and adding on-street parking

    Number 2 works, but it doesn't increase safety. Number 1 works... for a while. My concern with #1 is that drivers will realize they are being fooled, and start speeding up again. That's OK, except they may then interpret the real situation that the illusion was imitating as an illusion, and fail to take it into account, resulting in a net decrease in safety.

  3. Pit traps by stevied · · Score: 4, Funny

    All of that is gonna work a lot better than my strategy of placing car sized holes covered with twigs and branches randomly every half mile or so down the interstates. Sadly, your strategy seems to have been widely adopted across the UK recently. I preferred the speed cameras - at least they didn't destroy your suspension ..

  4. Wow by mdarksbane · · Score: 4, Informative

    Studies show that drivers adjust to the speed at which they feel safe, regardless of posted speed. So the only way to make them go slower is to make the road inherently *less* safe.

    Also, similar studies show that driving about 5-10 mph faster than posted is actually about the safest speed you can go.
    http://www.motorists.org/speedlimits/

    There's also the argument that restricting the ability to drive quickly kills, as you slow emergency response vehicles as well. http://www.bromleytransport.org.uk/Ambulance_delays.htm

    All in all, one of the dumbest proposals I've ever heard. It seems that one of the easiest mistakes to make as an organization is to try to optimize for one contributing factor (speed) while ignoring the point of restricting that factor in the first place (reducing accidents).

    1. Re:Wow by clone53421 · · Score: 4, Informative

      the speed limits are generally set to the 85th percentile

      Oh they are? And how do we know that?

      If the speed limit is really set at the 85th percentile, only 15% of the vehicles will be traveling faster than the speed limit. Any average day on any average highway will suggest that this isn’t the case.

      The only study I can find is dated from 1990, but its findings are quite unsurprising to me:

      In a nationwide survey of current speed zoning practices, all states and most of the 44 localities reported using the 85th-percentile speed as the basic factor in setting speed limits.

      ...

      Preliminary Results
      Driver compliance with speed limits is poor. On average, 7 out of 10 motorists exceeded the posted speed in urban areas.

      On the average, 70% of drivers exceeded the speed limit: the speed limit was set at the 30th percentile, not the 85th.

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  5. So maybe a grid layout isn't such a good idea by dingen · · Score: 5, Funny

    Most roads are already quite curvy in Europe and I'm pretty sure new roads are constructed in the same manner to encourage lower driving speeds. Straight lines make people want to speed, lots of turns and twists make people want to break, so maybe making all your roads as straight as possible and thus creating grid-like layouts isn't such a good idea after all.

    A side effect of less straight roads could also be a decline in traffic jams, because curved lines are longer than straight ones and thus can hold more cars.

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  6. pain bumps... by butterflysrage · · Score: 5, Insightful

    speed bumps also greatly slow down emergency vehicles. If you have ever been in an ambulance going over speed bumps you will curse the name of whoever came up with such a painful idea

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  7. Other strategies... by petaflop · · Score: 5, Interesting
    In the UK we have lots of 'speed warning' signs. When you approach them, if you are exceeding the speed limit, they light up and tell you (and anyone behind you) how fast you are going. And that's all. No penalties. They seem to make a significant difference in residuntial areas. I think they are often paid for by the local community rather than the state.

    In Portugal I saw a cute system - if you pass a sensor driving faster than the speed limit, then a traffic signal 200yards/metres down the road turns red for 10 seconds, making you (and again anyone behind you) stop.

    The psychology behind these systems is interesting - both rely on shaming you in front of other drivers. The Portugese system goes further and makes other drivers angry with you for speeding.

    1. Re:Other strategies... by SoTerrified · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Portugese system goes further and makes other drivers angry with you for speeding.

      I think the Portuguese system is the future. Note that it shames you in front of other drivers, but that it also slows you as a penalty for speeding. People will naturally adopt the behavior that gets them where they are going fastest. If you make 'speeding' the slower option, people will just naturally drive safer.

  8. It doesn't work. by SoTerrified · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a former employee of an international road transportation company, we studied the exact same thing.

    Interesting fact. When someone is driving in a place they don't know, they drive slower. You can duplicate the effect by making changes to a known environment, like this study does by adding cars to the roadside. Second interesting fact? Once the changes become 'known', speeds return to what they were previously. I notice this part is somehow absent in the claims that "the lower speeds make things safer."

    If I was from the University of Connecticut, I'd be embarrassed to be releasing this study.

  9. Fuck this article by brxndxn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First of all, "holy grail of transportation engineering"?? Bullshit. The goal of transportation engineering should be to achieve the best balance of maximized capacity, efficiency, and safety. You can always make roads safer by slowing things down - until you try to make them safer by causing congestion.. and the congestion causes frustrated and aggressive driving. The study basically says to throw more shit in the way of drivers to slow things down.. That's because it's creating an unsafe environment.. and drivers naturally try to compensate for it.

    Here in Florida, the transportation engineers have decided that old people react slower. Therefore, all traffic lights change slower.. So that causes inattentive driving since people can be waiting as much as 5 minutes between lights. Then, people are very slow to start proceeding through the intersection once lights turn green - partly because desperate drivers run all the yellow lights because they have to wait another 5 minutes between lights. My argument would be that traffic rules should not change to accomodate for people unable to follow the rules. Chicago's lights change quickly at an intersection..

    Also, our political wanker of a governor (Charlie Christ) decided he did not like the 'move over law' because he said it promoted speeding. So, people are free to sit in the left lane of major highways going under the speed limit while others try to get around them. Florida interstates are a clusterfuck.. Nobody moves over.. So you have a clump of cars bumper to bumper for a mile.. and then a mile of highway that hardly has anyone on it.. I would argue it would be safer to have an actual passing lane and allow people to spread out.

    Cars today have more horsepower, more traction, better safety, and more braking power than cars 20-30 years ago.. Yet, our speed limits have decreased.. Why?

    Traffic is an absolute mess.. and the idea that 'slower is safer' is contributing to that mess.

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    1. Re:Fuck this article by xdroop · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Seriously?

      Cars today have more horsepower, more traction, better safety, and more braking power than cars 20-30 years ago.. Yet, our speed limits have decreased.. Why?

      Because the monkey behind the wheel hasn't improved any, is now distracted by his cell phone, GPS, and on-board DVD players, and statistically is older than the monkey behind the wheel was 20-30 years ago.

      Basically, the monkey is the critical part in the system, and it just isn't getting any better.

      (Well except for you. You are a MAGNIFICENT driver, and we should all just stay the hell out of your way when you drive.)

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  10. Re:Bullshit! by Eric52902 · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you're not passing, you shouldn't be in the left lane, period. I don't care if you're doing 50 or 80 MPH, the left lane is for passing! It's people like you that fuck up good traffic flow.

  11. Re:I just don't see how this is a good idea. by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But the fact is, you are making the roads more dangerous! How can this be a good thing?

    Because drivers are more careful, and rarely careless, when conditions are dangerous. People being careless is usually what kills.

    Alaska sees dangerous, icy roads 2/3 of the year, yet our over-all accident and death rate is lower than the national average. Shouldn't it be the case that the nice, grippy streets of the lower 48 would be much safer?

    We also tend to drive individually and do less carpooling and the like because destinations are so far apart. So again, dangerous roads seem on the surface to mean people drive more carefully, for a net reduction in accidents and loss of life.

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