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Yoctonewton Detector Smashes Force Sensing Record

KentuckyFC writes "A team of physicists has measured the smallest force ever recorded, at 174 yoctonewtons (yocto=10^-24), beating the previous best by three orders of magnitude. Their measurement device consists of a few dozen beryllium ions trapped in magnetic and electric fields using a device called a Penning trap. These ions vibrate at between a few mega and kilohertz, frequencies that can be accurately measured by bouncing laser light off the ions and measuring any Doppler shift they cause. Being charged, the ions are highly susceptible to the tiny forces associated with stray magnetic and electric fields, which change the frequency at which the ions vibrate. Hence the super-sensitive measurements. They team says that straightforward modifications should allow them to measure single yoctonewtons in the near future. This sudden leap in sensitivity could cause a problem for the system of SI prefixes, which don't yet come any smaller than yocto."

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  1. Re:Huh? by thedonger · · Score: 5, Funny

    Who hasn't hearsd of Scientific Notation?

    I haven't hearsd of it.

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  2. Computer science is, as always, superior. by Thanshin · · Score: 2, Funny

    I, hereby, propose the diminewtons.

    They should've started from the tiniest entity, like we CSs did with the bits.

    They won't hear us complain of not having a name for portions of a yotabit.

    1. Re:Computer science is, as always, superior. by thijsh · · Score: 2, Funny

      Zero

    2. Re:Computer science is, as always, superior. by ciroknight · · Score: 2, Informative

      Depends on what we're talking about. Probably Planck units is about the best we can do, so starting with ~10^-100-ish would be a good first guess.

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    3. Re:Computer science is, as always, superior. by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 3, Funny

      Fig. The prefix should definitely be fig.

  3. Re:Huh? by cc1984_ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Your comming up with miniscule amounts of movement, and your worrying about finding the proper prefix? Who hasn't hearsd of Scientific Notation?

    Scientific notation may be good in science, bad for general press.

    Can you imagine someone selling a 1x10^12B HardDrive?

  4. Re:Huh? by Thanshin · · Score: 3, Funny

    Who hasn't hearsd of Scientific Notation?

    I haven't hearsd of it.

    Don't worry, you have a large selection of hearsding aids to choose from.

    As long as you have good sighst...

  5. Re:Uncertianty Principle by Tar-Alcarin · · Score: 4, Funny

    They may or may not have. It's impossible to tell.

  6. Re:SI Issue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Simple. Call them deciyoctos, centiyoctos, miliyoctos, microyoctos, etc. The problem will be solved forever. It's not like we will find anything smaller.

    On Slashdot you never can be sure if you are reading a joke from a genius or a line from an idiot.

  7. It's 10E-24 by ugen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is an accepted mathematical (and computer) notation for it. Please use that - there is no need to resort to the equivalent of emoticons.

    As an aside, why does every possible potential fraction of a unit need it's own prefix? Unless it is widely used to warrant a prefix, using a numeric power is just fine. Somehow I doubt these units will be common enough for anyone to even remember. SI is really going overboard on this, taking an idea to absurdity.

  8. Low mass gravity measurements by forand · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Haven't had time to read the article but it would amazing if force measurements at these levels could be conducted between well characterized masses to validate general relativity at low mass short distance scales.

    1. Re:Low mass gravity measurements by Steve+Max · · Score: 2, Interesting

      GR (or actually, the Newtonian approximation) has been tested down to distances of ~1mm; for two ~1kg masses, that would be a force of ~10^-4 N. We don't want to get "G" to a better precision (well, we do, but that's not the point of those experiments); we want to see if at small distances the force deviates from the expected (1/r) behaviour. Such a deviation would mean that there are more than 4 spacetime dimensions (with the extra dimensions being compactified, meaning they have a size of only a small fraction of a meter). If we could reliably measure gravity down to some yN, we could test it at REALLY small distances. That would be a real test for extra dimensions, and indirectly a real test for string theory*.

      * = of course, string theorists will always get the size of their extra dimensions to something orders of magnitude smaller than whatever can be tested; after all, they can't have a falsifiable theory, can they?

  9. Re:SI Issue by Stooshie · · Score: 2, Funny

    LOL. We could have yoctoyoctos or even yoctoyoctoyoctos.

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  10. Work on it by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...And yet still not sensitive enough to measure how fast I jumped when my niece recently asked me if I wanted a Miley Cyrus ticket too.

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  11. Re:Huh? by Kentari · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even without reverting to scientific notation or a new SI-prefix they can go down to 0.001 yN before anyone starts to complain. That's 3 orders of magnitude beyond what they claim to be able to measure "soon" and 5 beyond what they did.

    And besides that, popular press doesn't seem to have problems with reverting to "100 million billions of bytes or kilometers", so why not "millionths of yN". It's not as if anyone still has a feel for these numbers beyond "peta" or "femto"... except for the scientists that run into them.

  12. Still not sensitive enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...to detect the attractive force a Linux nerd radiates out to women.

    1. Re:Still not sensitive enough... by wc_paladin · · Score: 4, Funny

      So you admit it's an attractive force.

  13. Re:Huh? by wisnoskij · · Score: 2, Informative

    And a quick look at SI prefix history (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI_prefix#List_of_SI_prefixes) will show you that they have been slowly expanding that table anyways (as it was needed most likely).

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  14. Re:Huh? by Culture20 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Who hasn't hearsd of Scientific Notation?

    I haven't hearsd of it.

    Don't worry, you have a large selection of hearsding aids to choose from.
    As long as you have good sighst...

    And if you don't have good sighst, I hearsd that there's a way to fix that as long as you can tatse well.

  15. this thread of course will devolve by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Funny

    into a bunch of humorous suggestions for the name of units smaller than yocto

    allow me to start the noble proceedings:

    mosquito-newtons

    eensyteensy-newtowns

    feelingsofinadequacy-newtons

    napoleoncomplex-newtowns

    wheredididropit-newtons

    2009GNP-newtons

    loco-newtons

    gonzo-newtons

    artdeco-newtons

    your turn

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  16. Advertisement Opportunity by RealErmine · · Score: 2, Funny

    This sudden leap in sensitivity could cause a problem for the system of SI prefixes which don't yet come any smaller than yocto.

    I say that the SI authority open the floor for commercial advertisers to sponsor smaller prefixes.

    Future announcements might include: "Physicists break force measurement record with device sensitive to 10 Applenewtons."

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  17. say, that's a good idea by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Funny

    the emoticonewton

    or perhaps the :)newton, 8-(newton, :-Pnewton, ;\newton, etc

    this is a great idea you've had! pat yourself on the back

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  18. beyond yocto by migloo · · Score: 5, Informative

    Logically, 10^-27 would be called xennea
    The recurrence is:
    zepta (Z + hepta=7)
    yocto (Y + okto=8)
    xennea(X + ennea=9)

  19. Re:Look at last fiew SI prefixes by imakemusic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What will we do after Apple makes the iPod Yocto?

    Isn't it obvious? We'll bitch about how useless and locked-down it is whilst simultaneously posting at least two stories a day that say how it is changing the world.

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  20. Re:Huh? by fiddley · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wait 'til the teachers get told to start teaching this gibi crap at school. Suddenly all the recent graduates are talking exbi this and zebi that and you're still talking exa and zetta, and all of a sudden you're looking like a dibinosaur.

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  21. Re:Huh? by cc1984_ · · Score: 3, Funny

    +1x10^0 insightful :)

  22. Re:Huh? by vegiVamp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No. For hard drive marketing people, one megabyte is 1,000,000 byte, just as for ISP marketing people, unlimited is until we tire of you.

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  23. Re:Huh? by Fnkmaster · · Score: 3, Funny

    As long as they can measure it in Libraries of Congresses, I'm okay with it.

  24. Sensitivity verses practicality by hAckz0r · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have to wonder what exactly they expect to measure with such a device. The premise of the Penning trap device is to use a static magnetic field (magnets) and an electric field (electric circuits) to cap the ends of the device to contain the super cooled, in this case beryllium ions. In order to "measure" external electric fields one has to let in external electromagnetic radiation, which will not come without having some overall effects on the containment vessel and circuitry as well. With external electromagnetic radiation power propagating at r^2 the vessel will get more of a dose than the beryllium ions and the electric field will have some level of modulation which will in turn make the ions vibrate in the axial direction based on the reactance of the containment circuitry, not the primary waveform desired to be measured. Yes, you will measure vibrations at the quantum level, but are you really measuring what you think you are? The device is likely so sensitive that due to the uncertainty principal it may defy us the ability to prove what is actually being measured.

  25. Re:So what does this mean? by Hatta · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In laymans terms, they can now detect the force emanating from a single midichlorian.

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  26. Re:iPod Yocto by jo_ham · · Score: 2, Funny

    At least it will be less of a mess than Linux audio.

  27. Re:Huh? by jd · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think a yLoC is a character in a Shakespere play.

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  28. They could have avoided this problem... by argent · · Score: 2, Funny

    The obvious next steps below Zepto would be Grouchto, Harpto, and Chicto. If they'd followed the logical course they'd be set for another two orders of magnitude, instead of having to come up with a new name in the middle of a recession. Do they think SI prefixes grow on trees or something?