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Bloomberg Reports That Palm Is Up For Sale

leetrout writes with this excerpt from a story at Bloomberg News "Palm Inc., creator of the Pre smartphone, put itself up for sale and is seeking bids for the company as early as this week, according to three people familiar with the situation."

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  1. First bid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd buy that for a dollar!

    1. Re:First bid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hahahaha, you're the same guy come back to explain your joke.

    2. Re:First bid by nacturation · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm all of the above people... I just forgot to login.

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  2. BeOS! by Fallingcow · · Score: 5, Interesting

    AFAIK, Palm still owns BeOS.

    Hopefully whoever buys them does something with it, or sells it to someone who will.

    1. Re:BeOS! by cameljockey91 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is that really a feasible or even necessary move? BeOS hasn't been developed in over a decade by the original programmers; what relevance does it have now? Palm failed to utilize the OS, and Be Inc. even changed direction away from BeOS before they were bought.

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    2. Re:BeOS! by Fallingcow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, open-sourcing it would qualify as "something" :)

      I'm sure that'd help the folks working on Haiku.

    3. Re:BeOS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah!

      Now we can have a viable competitor to Hurd!

    4. Re:BeOS! by BikeHelmet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      what relevance does it have now?

      The only OS to ever do GUI responsiveness properly?

    5. Re:BeOS! by blind+biker · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think BeOS stil has a relevance today, as it beats the pants off any current OS in respnsiveness to The User: any command/mouseclick has the highest priority, file copy be damned. I have tested with many current OSes (even OS X fails this test) start copying a huge file, and see if responsiveness is affected at all. With BeOS, it wasn't - not even the slightest. The file would get copied a few secconds later, if I interact a lot with the UI, but so fucking what?

      What a pleasure it was to use BeOS. For whatever reason, programmers just refuse to create such pleasant-to-use operating systems.

      (I won't relay the often mentioned smoothness of displaying videos and playing MP3s. It's not that important. But it sure is impressive when you can play 30 MP3s at the same time, and some even backwards. Is there ever been an OS that dominated all the others so blatantly? The things BeOS was able to do were simply ridiculous.)

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    6. Re:BeOS! by ledow · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I do think that current OS's really suffer from the "give me my damn mouse back, let me click that button, don't make me wait for seven thousand services to start up before you let me click the start button that appeared in the first second" syndrome. But that doesn't make an OS, that makes a GUI on top of an OS. The problem is "easily" solved (for a definition of easily) by queueing user events and handling mouse motion / keyboard input in a separate thread (not at all a performance problem with modern machines).

      User reponsiveness is vital, that much I can agree on. I can't wait for the OS that can properly remember and queue user events from the first second so that I can send a list of keystrokes and have it get on with them - I hate when Windows chugs and your button clicks are completely ignored (programmatically, graphically, etc.) and then there's a burst of activity once it's idle again. Ideally, such interaction would be per-application (so non-busy apps would still respond as fast no matter what else was chugging away) - incidentally, window-focus-steals are the worst idea ever invented, whether by the OS or the applications themselves.

      But that's a GUI issue, for the most part. Yes, the OS shouldn't chug that badly in the first place but when it does, the underlying GUI still has millions of cycles in which to respond. It doesn't, because of deep-level order dependencies and other things. The main problem, though, is programs and OS's drawing themselves before they are actually able to respond - I've seen Windows desktop, start bar, etc. appear sometimes MINUTES before the start button can actually be clicked in any useful manner, and that's *completely* pointless and just makes me think that the computer is much slower than it actually is. It's a pain in the arse and all programs should be made to draw to a back-buffer until they are actually ready to respond to user input, and any that don't within 0.5 of a second should be terminated in the style of Windows' "This program has stopped responding".

      The problem is not the OS (though some OS queueing techniques can help desktop interactivity), it's mainly the application side... programs that draw too early, set themselves up piece-meal and serially, draw the user into clicking them before they can respond (what's wrong with greying out any buttons/menus until you *are* ready to respond to them?), don't queue events properly and aren't allocated a high-enough event priority when they are the main-focus app.

      That's not worth an obsolete (sorry, but it is) OS, when it can be fixed by a simple event model and some slightly stricter application requirements. You can't hold an OS responsible if the programs draw themselves, then go through a serial setup and ignore all button presses in between, or when they are busy, etc. Proper multithread use is the main factor. The OS is not.

    7. Re:BeOS! by edittard · · Score: 4, Funny

      set themselves up piece-meal

      Don't spell piecemeal in a piecemeal way.

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    8. Re:BeOS! by dangitman · · Score: 3, Funny

      AFAIK, Palm still owns BeOS.

      Pfffft. Big deal. I still own BeOS, it even came with a nice book. You don't see me trying to sell myself for millions of dollars.

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  3. Re:Google should buy them by eparker05 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To expand on your point; Google lacks a great deal of intellectual property that puts them at legal risk from competitors such as RIM and Apple when it comes to their Android OS. A Google acquisition would spell a quick end to the HTC vs. Apple suit. On the other hand, if RIM, Apple, or Nokia acquires Palm, we can say hello to a torrent of lawsuits directed at every aspect of their respective smartphone manufacturing competitors.

    As an aside, I don't think it would be bad if Microsoft purchased Palm, since Microsoft's smartphone IP is shallow at best. I would be happy to see a real Windows Mobile OS pop up that could cut it with iPhone OS or Android, and I don't think that WM 7 is going to do it.

  4. Sad by jsse · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One of their original flagship 'Pilot 5000' is my first PDA, and people can see the immense potential in it - a lightweight programmable widget. Few months after its first launch a guy called Adams set up a website to share homebrew Pilot's applications and games around the world, the era of Palm had since begun. (Regardless of million hits daily, Adams fold his website after marriage, by his wife's order. He should really regret it by now)

    Palm was actually doing good until one day some pinheads in the management decided that sales is more important than technology advancement. It's amazing to see history repeated itself over and over again in tech world.

    Another good line of products ruined by great management decision. Sad, really sad.

    1. Re:Sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Good business can carry crap tech, even the best tech can't correct for even mediocre business.

      Sad, but that's how it rolls

    2. Re:Sad by Phat_Tony · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's always sad to see a once-great company die, but it's especially sad with Palm right now because they came so close to turning things back around at the last minute, which is rarely the case for long-dying companies. The writing had been on the wall for Palm since before the iPhone even came out, and the mere existence of the iPhone looked like the last nail in the coffin for Palm. Then, stunningly, when it seemed like they'd lost their pulse, Palm come out with an entirely new operating system with some really compelling aspects on a brand new competitive hardware platform. If they'd had a little more capital left to keep up a few rounds of hardware and software revisions, maybe they could still make it. Also, the Pre alone might have saved them if they weren't in one of the fastest-evolving, most competitive consumer electronics markets there's ever been, with the iPhone, Android OS, HTC Hero, Motorola Droid, Blackberry Storm2, etc.

      I still use a Sony Clie PEG-N710C running PalmOS for word-processing on the go. No current smartphone can compete with its docking and folding Stowaway keyboard, its reflective color TFT screen that I can see in direct sunlight at the park or on the beach, Documents to Go to seamlessly sync any word processing documents back and forth with my computer, and the ability to mount its Memory Stick as an external drive via a USB cable with any computer so I can copy my files to others on the go. Of course, it would get killed by modern devices on nearly any other task, but for ultra-portable word processing, it still kills anything else I've found.

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    3. Re:Sad by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Another good line of products ruined by great management decision. Sad, really sad.

      Remember that next time anyone complains that CxOs are overpaid. Good ones really are worth their money (yeah, the bad ones really aren't, but you can say the same about engineers).

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  5. Re:Google should buy them by i+ate+my+neighbour · · Score: 4, Funny

    I would be happy to see a real Windows Mobile OS pop up

    No thanks, I had enough with the pop ups on their desktop OS.

  6. WebOS actually looks great by melted · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'd say it looks better than iPhone OS, and that says something. I hope HTC (or Lenovo, or someone else competent) buys them (and their substantial patent portfolio) and makes an iPad competitor based on WebOS, just to piss off Apple. Steve Jobs will be livid -- any lawsuit will only bring an equal and opposite countersuit, and the software is Apple quality (indeed, much of it was written by ex-Apple engineers and designed by ex-Apple designers), which makes it twice as painful.

    1. Re:WebOS actually looks great by ProppaT · · Score: 4, Informative

      WebOS is by far the best mobile OS on the market. It's still young and still has its problems, but the GUI is as beautiful as it is useful. The "type anything anywhere" concept is beautiful. You want to set an alarm and can't remember that you do that in the clock ap and you don't remember where it is? That's fine...type in alarm from anywhere in the UI and it'll show you the clock icon. It handles multitasking well, looks miles better than anything else on the market, and the best part....there's a backdoor purposely left in for us nerd types to install unapproved apps, overclock the processor, etc. Palm did everything right with WebOS except the marketing.

      My first choice for a purchaser would be HTC. They could take their form factors they were designing for Windows Mobile phones, dump WebOS on it, and have market penetration nearly over night. They're going to have to have new designs/concepts for WM7 soon anyway. Either way, there's going to be a bidding war for Palm because of all the patents they hold. The WORST possible thing that could happen would be Apple buying them for the patents and dissolving the software.

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    2. Re:WebOS actually looks great by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You know what's really depressing about your post? These 'amazing' features that you describe were present on the Newton 15 years ago. Unfortunately, Apple takes NIH to extremes and won't use something invented here but in a different building, so the iPhone lacks them all.

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    3. Re:WebOS actually looks great by ProppaT · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, but you're talking about Apple, not Apple. Two distinctly different companies. Apple was a fantastic company that looked to do interesting new things and push concepts and technology. Apple is a company that is so in love with their own vision that they purposely leave out important features if they get in the way of this vision. Palm is/was a great company because they've always had a vision and always pushed the vision, but they've always been realistic about their limitations and mixed a little bit of Apple A with a little bit of Apple B.

      But you're absolutely right, Job's has a major NIH issue and it's honestly a shame.

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  7. Re:No surprise. by spmkk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not compelling enough? Quick: name two smartphones that have a touchscreen AND a physical keyboard on one surface, with no (other) moving parts. The Pre may not be a godsend, but the Pixi certainly is.

    I have the Pixi Plus with Verizon service. Other than battery life (which is a well-documented issue that has several acceptable solutions), I cannot find a SINGLE thing I don't love about it.

    It's a shame the app store isn't on par with Apple's. As devices go, it's not only one of the most technically capable phones on the market, it's also the ONLY real smartphone that fits in the pocket of a pair of jeans. For someone who doesn't carry a purse, that is a huge factor.

    One of the problems is that in all the side-by-side reviews, the Pre always beats out the Pixi because...wait for it...it can't run as many apps at once. (Note: the iPhone presently can't run more than one, and reviewers worship it.) So people buy the Pre, and then aren't happy with it because the form factor is annoying and the keyboard is unusable (and because they expect their battery to last three days while they watch videos over Wi-Fi). And Palm gets a bad rap, even though they make a device that people would fall in love en masse with if they weren't talked out of giving it half a chance.

    To each his own, but for me Palm offers a product that nothing else today can compete with. I really hope the market gives them a fair shake before letting their technology fade away.

  8. Too bad by frist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's a shame, the Palm Pre really is a nice phone, I prefer it to the iPhone. WebOS is nicer, and the native SDK is out now. The browsing experience was comparable when I compared iphone to pre. And it has a real keyboard that pops out. They totally blew the ads though, those horrible TV ads w/the weird chick going "oh wait, I just did that" - most likely alienated many potential customers. I know the freaked me out.

  9. Palm don't want my money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I live in a rich country in Europe. Palm will not take my money to buy a Pre, over a year after its introduction.

    I hope Palm will serve as an example to companies: If you introduce a product whose sales are uncertain, you need to sell it worldwide as soon as possible, otherwise you are just turning down peoples money.

    Palm: Great Engineers, Rubbish Marketeers.

  10. Re:No surprise. by tacarat · · Score: 3, Funny

    No feedback to give. I just saw all the *rats and had to say hi.

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  11. I thought U2 had a stake by cyberzephyr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I thought the band U2 had a stake in Palm?

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    1. Re:I thought U2 had a stake by santax · · Score: 4, Informative

      Don't know why you are being mod funny. The investment firm of Bono (elevation -something) actually has put a lot of money in Palm. http://www.benzinga.com/general/193399/bono-named-worst-investor-palm. Seems that elevation is quite relative!

  12. Re:No surprise. by Vectormatic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    now i dont know jack about the palm-pre of web-os, but since when do you NEED an app store on a proper smartphone? The iphone might have triggered android in hopping onto the "app-store" bandwagon, and with all the ipad-hoopla, the media might make you think that without an app-store you cant do anything, but a proper smart-phone should be able to have software installed which isnt given the official X seal of approval.

    My 3 year old nokia doesnt have an app-store (come to think of it, it has the n-gage thing for games), but i still managed to get opera installed... or just about any piece of java code i write.

    I thought the entire point of smart-phones was that they grew closer and closer to a general purpose computer, not being a walled-garden

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  13. Re:more than 3 is chaos by SpeedyDX · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Then HTC should buy out Nokia to combine great touchscreen hardware with a solid/cool/functional platform, and then LG should buy out HTC and put cool blinking lights and win back the teenage girl market. But by then the phone would have lost their business market so they would have to spin off their business-oriented smart phone division (formerly Blackberry). Of course, former Nokia employees would be pissed that LG is creating flip phones and using touchscreens so they all rage quit and form their own phone company that focuses on simple-to-use candy-bar and slider phones. Also because of the flip phone format, touchscreen user-friendliness would be rendered nearly useless, so LG would spin off their touch division (formerly HTC).

    Are we done speculating now?

  14. Obituary for BeOS by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "I once preached peaceful coexistence with Windows. You may laugh at my expense - I deserve it."
    -- Jean-Louis Gassée, CEO Be, Inc.

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  15. Re:It's dead for a reason. by Stormwatch · · Score: 4, Interesting

    BeOS is dead for a reason.

    Yes, and the reason is: Microsoft bullied PC makers so they would not sell computers with any other OS. See here.

    People hate Microsoft for a reason.

  16. Re:HTC by RMH101 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    HTC would own Palm's IP, which appears to be strong enough to ward off Apple - as Apple are suing HTC for features in Android (huh?) currently, this would both strengthen their hand with Apple, and with Google and the Open Handset Alliance, and also give them a choice of going HTC-WebOS, using Android, or Windows Phone 7 (which now you can't skin it removes HTC's Sense UI)

  17. Palm doesn't own it anymore. by bornagainpenguin · · Score: 3, Informative

    AFAIK, Palm still owns BeOS.

    No, that would be ACCESS who own the BeOS code base and who have already blessed the Haiku developers with permission to distribute the BeBook and other assorted documentation. The BeOS code is safe. The Haiku clean room implementation will make it easier to modernize the base for R2 once full BeOS compatibility is reached.

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