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Military Asserts Right To Respond To Cyberattacks

Hugh Pickens writes "AP reports that National Security Agency director Lt. Gen. Keith Alexander says the US should counter computer-based attacks swiftly and strongly and act to thwart or disable a threat even when the attacker's identity is unknown. 'Even with the clear understanding that we could experience damage to our infrastructure, we must be prepared to fight through in the worst case scenario,' wrote Alexander in a 32-page Senate questionnaire he answered in preparation for a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing on his nomination to head Cyber Command. Alexander offered a limited but rare description of offensive US cyber activities, saying the US has 'responded to threats, intrusions and even attacks against us in cyberspace,' and has conducted exercises and war games, adding that it is unclear whether or not those actions have deterred criminals, terrorists or nations."

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  1. Slippery slope... by pushing-robot · · Score: 4, Funny

    Let them respond to cyber attacks today and tomorrow they'll be asking if they can defend against physical attacks. I don't think we can afford to go down this road.

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    1. Re:Slippery slope... by Capsaicin · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes, its dangerous to protect yourself and your property. But if you don't, you'll get chewed up anyway.

      So let me get this right. You are in all seriousness proposing the the Army responds to physical attacks against the country?! Wow, just wow!

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    2. Re:Slippery slope... by sopssa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

      Some curious 12 year old tests a port-scanner he found from a forum and thought it was cool to be geeky and like the cool hacker kids. USA detects it as a "cyberattack" and bombs the house he and his sisters and parents live at. Justified?
      Some curious 12 year old tests a port-scanner he found from a forum and thought it was cool to be geeky and like the cool hacker kids. USA detects it as a "cyberattack" and bombs the house the proxy he used at is and the family that lives there. Justified?
      Some curious 12 year old tests a port-scanner he found from a forum and thought it was cool to be geeky and like the cool hacker kids. USA detects it as a "cyberattack" and shutdowns all the internet connections to the country. Justified?
      Some curious 12 year old tests a port-scanner he found from a forum and thought it was cool to be geeky and like the cool hacker kids. USA detects it as a "cyberattack" and shutdowns all the domains in the country (ICANN). Justified?

      There's so many ways it can go wrong and so little ways it can go right. It's no wonder that US tries to keep ICANN to themselves, even while EU keeps asking to give the control to UN or independent body...

    3. Re:Slippery slope... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sir! The attacks are coming from 127.0.0.1! Permission to engage?

    4. Re:Slippery slope... by poena.dare · · Score: 4, Funny

      You know how moderating is; just one +1 insightful and then your traveling down the slippery slope to more.

  2. Tell me again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why are essential systems connected to the internet?

    1. Re:Tell me again... by Capsaicin · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why are essential systems connected to the internet?

      Yeah, who let the military on the internet in the first place?!

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    2. Re:Tell me again... by calmofthestorm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      To provide a reason to develop harsh cybersecurity laws to fight intellectual property theft and free speech.

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    3. Re:Tell me again... by Runaway1956 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Uhhhh - huh?

      This is probably a good place to make wise cracks about the Army and the Air Force, comparing them to the Marine Corps (part of the Department of the Navy, in case you didn't know) but I really would like to know what you're smoking.

      Tell you what. Head on over to your closest Navy base, and try to get in. Take a group of friends, if you like. For best results, pick a nuclear capable base. Post back and tell us that the Corps isn't set to defend their bases physically. For that matter, you could choose someplace with nuclear capability and no marines.

      The same year that we evacuated Beruit City, we were invited to visit Crotone, Italy. All unbeknown to us, the local communists staged a riot, protesting our nuclear presence in Italy. The plan seemed to be to storm the ship, take the nukes hostage, and embarrass the United States.

      As part of the ship's defense force, I went out on the pier with 6 other guys, armed with M-14 rifles, while the gunner's mates set up M-2 machine guns on the bridge wings. The 5 inch guns were brought to bear on the city. We, the landing party, cleared the pier of rioters, then stood nose to nose with the carabinieri (spelling?) for an hour, while a couple local officials came aboard to talk to our captain.

      Fortunately, there was no bloodshed, but we would have detonated that nuke in the harbor to prevent a bunch of rioters from getting it. People with nukes are pretty damned determined to make sure that they cannot possibly ever be used against thier own country.

      Oh yeah. Compare that to the long list of "mistakes" that the Air Force has been found guilty of.

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  3. When we confirm much of it is coming from China... by joocemann · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... will we realize that we should maybe consider possibly not putting nearly all of our business there?

    I realize we need china to support American materialism/consumerism. A cultural revolution could change that, though. I would much rather buy less, but of higher quality, as produced by my fellow citizens -- keeping the dollars in our own country and filling the bank accounts of people who otherwise wouldn't have had a job and would want my dollars anyway.

    Something to think about... When you buy American, you reinvest in your fellow citizens. I'm not a champion of nationalism, but we are far from world unity and the last thing our country needs is to keep sending our dollars elsewhere.

    When the one-world utopia happens, I'm all for it.

  4. Re:When we confirm much of it is coming from China by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... will we realize that we should maybe consider possibly not putting nearly all of our business there?

    Well, yeah, but it's more of a question if it'll hold our attention long enou- ooh, Entertainment Tonight is on!

  5. Preemptive strike on Adobe? by PNutts · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm concerned that Reader and Flash will facilitate making my PC part of that attack on the government. And if Joshua taught me anything it was to instead play a nice game of chess. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086567/

  6. Re:When we confirm much of it is coming from China by chewthreetimes · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Buying cheap was the only way a lot of people could have all the things they were told they needed by the marketing industry.

  7. We have always been at war with Cyberwar by headkase · · Score: 3, Informative

    There is an article related to this on TechDirt: Here. Basically everything from vandalism to espionage is being lumped under "Cyberwar." With vandalism being much the more prevalent. The issue of "Cyberwar" itself is mostly made for good talking points in the media, after all anything that drives readership drives advertisers and funding. Think you can actually get at a GPS satellites operating system over the internet?

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  8. The Cylon war is long over.. by gzipped_tar · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...but *why* are you USAers, as a people, worth saving?

    Oh, you mean *cyber* attack. Duh.

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  9. Nixon on asymmetric warfare by shoppa · · Score: 4, Funny

    Perhaps the most wise thing Richard Nixon ever said:

    President Richard Nixon reflected this outlook when he decided in 1969 to abandon the U.S. offensive germ warfare program. "We'll never use the damn germs, so what good is biological warfare as a deterrent?" Nixon told his speechwriter William Safire. "If somebody uses germs on us, we'll nuke 'em."

  10. Hm... by Comatose51 · · Score: 2, Funny

    This kind of attack can happen really fast, too fast for a human to respond to. Perhaps a machine would respond. While we're at it, why limit ourselves to fighting them in cyberspace? Let's take out their physical infrastructure. We don't want to put human soldiers in the way so let's use robots and drones. We'll need to control it all with good sight lines. Let's control them from the sky with a network.

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  11. Re:So what's new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While I don't argue against the fact that the threat of a cyberwar is overestimated, the Internet is an integral part of many important systems now and will be even more in the future. Taking out these systems is the threat of a cyberwar and just because it hasn't happened (publicly and in a large scale) yet doesn't mean countries shouldn't assess the risks and prepare for it.

    As was stated above, its stupid that so many key systems are connected to the Internet (i.e. why power stations aren't mandated to have a separate network for critical computers to their word processing/Internet browsing computers is beyond me), but that is the way it is.

  12. Why is anything sensitive connected to the web? by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The U.S. Military has extremely expensive equipment. How hard would it be to isolate their infrastructure on something not available on the World Wide Web? They Have SATELLITE NETWORKS! Put the public stuff on the world wide web, and keep the MILITARY INTRANET cord free from the web!

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  13. Re:So what's new? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 4, Informative

    Military flexes muscle, says they will respond with force, what's new?

    Actually, what he said is that he'd respond to attacks in cyberspace by counterattacking in cyberspace. No suggestion at all that we'd respond to cyber attacks with bombs/missiles/guns....

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  14. what is needed by binaryseraph · · Score: 2, Funny

    Clearly what is needed is a coordinated network of computers and physical warfare technologies that can detect these threats and determine the proper course of action. I suggest we name this network Skynet.