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Corporate IT Just Won't Let IE6 Die

alphadogg writes "Security experts, industry analysts, and even Microsoft recommend that IT departments upgrade Internet Explorer 6, yet new research shows that while there may have recently been a mock funeral for the aging browser, IE6 is still around and doing well, especially during standard business hours." The article says that they are seeing 6-13% peaking during business hours. Around here we see less than 1.5% IE6, but since we see only 10% IE in general, I imagine we're just lucky.

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  1. My plate is pretty full right now... by stillpixel · · Score: 5, Informative

    but I'm working on it! The only way to get Corporate/Management off of IE6 is to fix any web apps you have in your organization that won't work on anything but that.

    1. Re:My plate is pretty full right now... by fieldstone · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's because of familiarity, I'm pretty sure. I've had clients absolutely refuse to use anything else, even IE8, because it "felt" (in other words, looked) different from what they were used to. My solution to this is usually one of the Firefox themes that makes Firefox look like IE. The IE6 one is pretty flawless.

    2. Re:My plate is pretty full right now... by amplt1337 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, it's equivalent to saying "We need to run mission-critical software that won't run on higher versions of IE."

      I've actually had to go around uninstalling IE 7 and 8 from user machines and re-installing IE 6 because the users have to run IE6-only software, or the vendor's IE7 installer doesn't work, or there are bugs in the IE 7 version, etc. etc. Sure, I'd love to get rid of the vendor -- you think that's easy?

      Of course, I also encourage people to do any *ahem* personal browsing in Firefox anyway, but IE6 isn't going to go away until we don't need it. If the web-designer artistes out there want to complain about cross-browser compatibility, they can either bite me, or come down and do my users' jobs for them.

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    3. Re:My plate is pretty full right now... by rwa2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's pretty hopeless, as far as I tell. The past 2 major aerospace/defense corporations I've worked for have invested heavily in rolling out all of their mandatory on-line training and timecard accounting using software that happens to only work in IE6. This mandatory training is required to meet all kinds of legal and policy requirements... ethics training, security training, etc. So it's not really the IT department per se that's holding everything back, other than not being more successful in standing by web standards back when they were deciding to deploy all that cruft.

      On the bright side, Firefox has really taken off as a secondary day-to-day browser. Microsoft really shot themselves in the foot with their vendor lock-in this time, since no major corporate customer could successfully upgrade to IE7 or IE8 because it would break all of their meticulously tested training and timecard apps. But they can certainly install and develop new apps for alternative browsers.

      This has also been a boon for virtualization... I've been running the corporate load of WinXP+IE6 under VMware, so I can actually have a 64-bit OS on the bare metal, yet comply with all the corporate application and security and encryption policies on my VM. As a nice side benefit, Outlook can't thrash more than 1 CPU or gobble up all my memory this way.

      I think Microsoft might finally regain some ground with corporate deployments with Windows 7 only because it provides a WinXP mode that might let them run all their legacy cruft. But it will still take 6 months to a year after Windows 7 was released for the IT departments to finish testing and remastering for widespread deployment, so we won't know for sure for another while yet.

    4. Re:My plate is pretty full right now... by gcmd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I beg to differ. I give out medical advice all day, things that are PROVEN to improve your life, decrease your risk of death, and people blissfully ignore it all the time. Stop smoking, get more exercise, watch your diet are just a few of the most popularly ignored pieces of advice. So if people can ignore advice designed to save their lives, why are we surprized that they ignore advice to save their computers?

  2. We scare our customers who run IE 6 & 7 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We're using the security hole in IE 6 and 7 where you can execute code with IE's image parser.

    Our customer comes to our office for a meeting where he demands IE 6 & 7 support. We tell him to open his laptop and go to google.com. When downloading the google logo image we have configured our router to redirect to our infected image file.
    Then we tell our customer to reboot. After the reboot we tell him to check his mail inbox in outlook and then tell us what the new mail he has says.

    He gets really suprised when he sees his login password in clear text. And from that moment IE8 is a minimum requirement.

    This works on every customer we have tried it on, they take it seriously when they see the security threat in action. Most people think anti-virus and firewalls protects them. Our job is to tell them that updated software also protects them, and we've failed bigtime when it comes to that.

  3. Re:As a general rule by nosfucious · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Go poke the CIO instead. That's where the buck stops.

    An IT department can make all the technical cases it want to. However, until the equation of $$$StandStill is less than $$$Moveforward, $$$StandStill is where you'll be.

    And no, the CIO is almost never a technical weenie. It's just another seat on the board, with fat shareholder priviledges.

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  4. Re:Legacy apps by DrgnDancer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I realize this probably wasn't your fault in the first place, but it *is* your company's own fault. Eventually, Microsoft *will* stop supporting IE6 (XP is supposed to go out of support in a few years, and there's no IE6 for Vista or 7). Those millions of dollars *will* have to be spent. Why not start working on it now and spread the pain out. All of this "but it will cost us million of dollars to make our stuff work like it should have in the first place!" whinging by various corporate managers kind of ridiculous. You (not you personally, but generically "you IT managers") know they won't support this stuff forever, you could fix this over time and spend very little quarter by quarter, but you'd rather cry about the million of dollars it will cost all at once when you eventually HAVE to deal with it.

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  5. Re:Legacy apps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Oh but you forget the joys of virtualization. IE6 can live forever in a VM. Enterprises can go for the next 20 years forcing their workers to use something that barely worked and was horrible even when the tech was current. I know there are people out there virtualizing Netware and NT4 which I fully expect to be doing some critical operations inside a VM like controlling machinery or whatever 100 years from now. I doesn't have to die, even though it probably should die.

  6. Re:Well... by Captain+Spam · · Score: 5, Funny

    Call in a consulting team, get a quote for reworking it. Doesnt that neatly solve the problem?

    Now presenting: The Bean Counter - A one-act play.

    You: "This code is a mess! It was written by a bunch of low-grade college kids for cheap and is impossible to maintain! We need to call in a consulting team to get a quote for-"

    (in a flurry of papers, a tweed-suited bean counter appears, apparently from a pocket dimension, as there is no visual evidence to suggest where he came from, nor are there any obvious entrances to where he is standing now. You don't even recall him ever working in the company before; he just IS)

    Bean Counter: "NO! We need to save money over that plan! The money must be saved! SAVE IT! It's endangered!"

    You: "But... save money over what?"

    Bean Counter: (eyes grow wide) "MONEY! You save MONEY!!! Now look, we can easily solve this problem by hiring a bunch of low-grade college kids for cheap. That'll save us all sorts of money. Do this now."

    You: "But that's what got us in this mess in the first place! We can't-"

    Bean Counter: "Listen, you young punk, I know how money works. You don't. I've already gone over all the specs, and these college kids can write the same amount of codes for much less per-code than some fancy-schmansy overpriced professional. See this chart? It proves it."

    You: "That's not how code works! There's quality concerns that-"

    Bean Counter: (now furious) "DO YOU SEE THE CHART? LOOK AT THE CHART! THE CHART! THE CHART! It CLEARLY shows that the college kids can write an average of 650 lines of code more than your stupid 'trained professionals' per every dollar spent. That's called 'economical', you miserable snot! Are you TRYING to run this company into the ground?"

    You: "Do you even understand the basic economics of programming at all?"

    Bean Counter: "No! I don't waste my precious time and money with your worthless hobbies! I understand MONEY. Now shut up and do whatever it is you're paid to do, I've already got your boss putting MY plan in motion."

    (end scene)

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