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PowerPoint of Afghan War Strategy

eldavojohn writes "Disillusioned by PowerPoint at work? Some members of the US Military view it as 'an internal threat.' Marine Corps General James N. Mattis says, 'PowerPoint makes us stupid,' reaching the same conclusion NASA came to back in 2003. But nothing speaks to this more than the spaghetti-bowl PowerPoint slide of the US Military's strategy in the ongoing war in Afghanistan. The slide causes anyone's eyes to glaze over with confusion so much that General McChrystal jokingly stated when he saw it, 'When we understand that slide, we'll have won the war.' At my job, I know that feeling all too well."

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  1. PowerPoint makes us stupid by ls671 · · Score: 4, Funny

    "PowerPoint makes us stupid"

    Does it really take a General to tell us that ? ;-))

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    1. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by rliden · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Does removing PowerPoint make the presenter any smarter or the presentation they've done any clearer? Somehow I doubt having it drawn out on paper will make it any easier for the good general to understand. :p

      From TFA:

      It’s dangerous because it can create the illusion of understanding and the illusion of control,” General McMaster said in a telephone interview afterward. “Some problems in the world are not bullet-izable.”

      Commanders say that the slides impart less information than a five-page paper can hold, and that they relieve the briefer of the need to polish writing to convey an analytic, persuasive point.

      When I was serving in the US Navy I don't remember over-head presentations from photocopies of "well written briefs" being any more entertaining or any easier to understand. Sometimes the situation or mission is complicated. There isn't anything you can't write on paper that can't be put in a presentation or it's accompanying printed notes. This sounds a lot more like finger pointing due to failure or incompetence in the field than it does a software limitation. I find it ludicrous that the blame is shifted from incapable leadership and poor communication to a software tool (take special note of the third to the last paragraph). I also find it boggling that the US military can't figure out how to use both presentation and word processing tools at the same time. Is there a reason a five page report can't be written to accompany the presentation? And they wonder why upper level logistics are a mess.

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    2. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "PowerPoint makes us stupid"

      Does it really take a General to tell us that ? ;-))

      It might take a general to say the emperor has no clothes.

      Here's a pro tip: increase your font size to almost the headline size. Does your message not fit anymore? then delete it. Use words and figures instead.

      The problem with information packed slides is that the audience is momentarily given lots of information but having too little time to parse it won't recall it later. And they won't be able to concentrate on your words either. instead put details in slide notes and include those on a printed out version.

      There is one exception to this rule: the military quad chart. But quad charts are intentionally dense because you are supposed to linger on them for a long long time.

      One more thing: Always label the axes on a plot dammit. and then always tell people in words what the axes are BEFORE you tell them what the plot says.

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    3. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by characterZer0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, PowerPoint does not make us stupid.

      PowerPoint exposes how stupid we already are. It shows that we have a swirling mess of semi-interconnected ideas and when we try to convey them, all we can produce is a swirling mess of semi-interconnected slides.

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    4. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by eln · · Score: 4, Funny

      Some problems in the world are not bullet-izable.

      Damn, talk about a lesson this country badly needs to learn. Oh wait, he was talking about Power Point bullets...never mind.

    5. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by UziBeatle · · Score: 3, Funny

      qoombah99 blurted: "One more thing: Always label the axes on a plot dammit. and then always tell people in words what the axes are BEFORE you tell them what the plot says."

        Is this the US military your advising? Do they still use a lot of axes?
          Sounds like good advice though. I'd hate for some grunt to confuse
          F Wood Axe for chopping wood.

          F Tosser Axe for wood shaving

          F Fire Axe (For hitting fire with)

          F Hurlbat (just to confuse em).

          F Danish Axe (Often found in upper end pastry shops)

          F Axis Axe (Used to prune excess axes down to a single axis)

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    6. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The, perhaps more accurate; but equally troubling, fact is that Powerpoint allows us to continue being stupid.

      When you go to write something, an essay or a brief or something of that sort, you generally start stupid. You have a dubiously coherent mass of questionably formed notions. It's ghastly. However, because of the way the essay format works, you will have a very hard time getting away with that. If you don't clean your ideas up, think things through, force them into some semblance of coherent order, your essay will be transparently worthless.

      Powerpoint, though, makes it a relatively simple and mechanical exercise(and let us not even mention the dreaded "autocontent wizard". The mere existence of such a monster should tell you everything you need to know about the epistemological framework in which Powerpoint is operated...) to transfer the confused morass of half-formed ideas that you start with straight to the page.

    7. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by bruce_the_loon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, but Google is trying to take over the world, not just Afghanistan, which is way less that 10% of the landmass of Earth.

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    8. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by Hizonner · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Um, no.

      "Clean" slides are at least as dangerous as cluttered ones.

      If your message does not fit on a slide, then don't use a fucking slide.

      Some things are too complex to be reduced to bullets. The answer to that is not to bury the complexity in supplemental material that nobody will ever read. All that does is to create the illusion of comprehension... more dangerous than knowing that you don't have a clue. If you know you don't know, you'll either find out, or you'll let somebody else deal with the problem. If you think the problem is simple, but it's not, you'll make stupid decisions.

      Don't put up a bunch of "keywords" on a screen to hypnotize the audience. SPEAK to the audience. Flash keywords if you must, but don't leave a slide up there for people to read while they miss the thread of what you're saying, or forget to think about anything that doesn't happen to have fit into the five available lines. And leave yourself some flexibility to respond when they're not getting it, instead of blindly continuing down the track your slides set for you.

      Don't waste a lot of time making pretty slides, either. They're basically distracting and misleading. In fact, maybe you should write those keywords on a blackboard.

      Is all your information in your slides? Can you say, with a straight face, "read my slides and you'll understand"? Then that's not a presentation. That's what we used to call a "document". Use a document preparation tool for that, not a presentation tool.

      Is it too complicated to say in a presentation? Then a document is indeed right for you. Write one. Let people read it. MAKE them read it; don't give them a simplified spoon-fed version that produces false understanding. That's right, people need to actually read and write real text. Can't read and write? Sorry, you don't belong here.

      Sure, use charts and graphs. That's what PowerPoint is actually good for. Make sure your analysis and data presentation are respectable, though... you can easily create a graph that gives a thoroughly wrong impression of what's important.

      And that Afghanistan slide actually makes a great point. It says "This is complicated, you idiots. Don't knee-jerk". That's a slide I might actually use.

    9. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by arachnoprobe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The problem with information packed slides is that the audience is momentarily given lots of information but having too little time to parse it won't recall it later.

      Actually, most presentators use that as a FEATURE: The non-understanding of the basic facts caused by intentional information overload guarantees, that there are no valid refutations in the discussions phase, which makes for an easy pitch (of mostly bad ideas).

    10. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by snarkh · · Score: 2, Funny

      You have a dubiously coherent mass of questionably formed notions. It's ghastly. However, because of the way the essay format works, you will have a very hard time getting away with that.

      Hard for you, perhaps, but I manage just fine.

    11. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by sco08y · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My experience is mostly company level / lower enlisted stuff, especially the "death by powerpoint" training slides.

      TRADOC (training and doctrine command) consistently assumes that people have no interest in learning how things work and tries to break everything into endless lists of steps.

      For example, in Airborne school, they explained preparing to land like so:

      If you are moving forward, pull the rear set of risers to your chest. If you are moving to the left, pull the right set of risers to your chest. If you are moving to the right, pull the left set of risers to your chest. If you are moving backwards, pull the front set of risers to your chest.

      What's going on is you pull the risers in the direction you want to go, and your goal is to slow down so you don't get dragged all over the DZ, but they won't simply *say* that even when it's far, far simpler.

      Everything is itemized as task, conditions, standards. Everything is a list of steps to memorize, even if there are ten lists with just one thing different between the lists. (If you're curious what they look like, google Soldier's Manual of Common Tasks.)

      There are, in fairness, a large number of very well written field manuals. However, most of my experience with training has been from these damned lists of tasks or, worst of all, powerpoint slides generated from lists of tasks; field manuals seem to be something you read on your own time.

      What's happened, I think, is that TRADOC is a huge bureaucracy, and they are more concerned with getting everything into a standard format than with the material being useful. They just can't figure out how to produce a large body of coherent thought, and have fallen back on endless checklists and outlines.

    12. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by hey! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My presentation philosophy: the presentation is NOT the powerpoint document. It's me talking in a way that makes a point.

      The powerpoint is there to give them something more interesting to look at than me, to help them keep track of what point we're on, and sometimes to provide an illustration or diagram.

      If I have to alter what I'm going to say so it can fit powerpoint slides, I'll just hand out a stack of bumperstickers.

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  2. I don't know if this is true by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 4, Funny

    but it sure would be great if this were the beginning of the end of unnecessary PowerPoint presentations. I can't think of many times when I saw one that was actually helpful.

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    1. Re:I don't know if this is true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      ... unnecessary PowerPoint ...

      Good sir, you repeat yourself.

  3. Afghanistan victory strategy by Eunuchswear · · Score: 4, Funny

    1. bomb Taliban positions with solar powered laptops running Windows7 with powerpoint installed
    2. Victory
    3. ...
    4. Experience horrible unplanned of blow-back.

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  4. Knowledge Limited by SendBot · · Score: 4, Funny

    That spaghetti slide has a copyright notice at the bottom, "PA Knowledge Limited 2009"

    There must be a joke about oxymorons and military intelligence in here somewhere.

    1. Re:Knowledge Limited by MozeeToby · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Am I the only one to realize that the 'Spaghetti slide' is supposed to be unintelligible? The presentation in question was about how complex a modern, asymmetrical war can be. Each bubble is a single aspect, and each edge is a relationship between two aspects. It's meant to show the overwhelming complexity of the war in Afghanistan, and it does a damn good job of doing that.

  5. best line of TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Senior officers say the program does come in handy when the goal is not imparting information, as in briefings for reporters.

  6. NASA / Ed Tufte reference by blakelarson · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A long essay on the evils of PowerPoint by the man, Ed Tufte, regarding the shuttle explosions: http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=0001yB&topic_id=1

    1. Re:NASA / Ed Tufte reference by vlm · · Score: 2

      Its on his posters page, but "The Cognitive Style of Powerpoint: Pitching Out Corrupts Within" is 32 pages of joy.

      http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/posters

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    2. Re:NASA / Ed Tufte reference by fermion · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Like any technology, the problem is not the technology but that the technology allows unskilled persons to do work previously done by skilled persons. It is not surprising that the results tend to be of low quality. For instance, as much as we like WYSIG editing, it unleashed a whole bunch of crap on the world. OTOH, it allowed a lot of creativity to be unfurled that otherwise would have been hidden by the cost of entry.

      For those who do not know, Ed Tufte writes books about how to display information so that it is attractive and easy to understand. His books are fabulous and should be read by anyone who puts information in front of people. We can't all be experts, but we should try not be incompetent.

      When I see a slide like the ones being discussed, I see simply too much information. I often make that mistake as well. A slide is a few bits of information. It is not there to impress people with how much you know. It should be there to help them know what you know. It should not be there to show that you know how to use a graphviz.

      I pretty much did not do presentation until I started to use Keynote. The animations were easy to use so I could add and relate information on a slide. Equations can be built, substitutions made, chemicals reacted. This to me is useful. It is not just putting a piece of plastic on an overhead. It is using technology to present information in a way that is useful.

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    3. Re:NASA / Ed Tufte reference by Hijacked+Public · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When I see a slide like the ones being discussed, I see simply too much information

      That isn't really the problem. Tufte oftens bemoans low density of data and that Powerpoint tends to guide presentors into that trap with its large fonts, bullet points, and cartoonish graphics.

      The spaghetti slide in the NYT article has around 200 word groups with 13 of them in larger typeface than the others. These are grouped together in 7 colors. And there are many many lines that appear to illustrate one way relationships binding them all together. If you leave aside the lines that isn't exactly a whole lot of data. The Minard graphic Tufte likes to display at his courses has far more data represented and it illustrates complex relationships between sets of data without shitloads of lines all over the place.

      But in saying that Powerpoint makes us dumb Tufte is saying that some problems are indeed too complex to be reprsented in Powerpoint fashion. I don't see how that spaghetti diagram, even if it is the best way to represent that data which I doubt, could be comprehensible to anyone when projected on a screen, whether that was being done by Powerpoint or Keynote or whatever else. So they've taken an issue that is complex and forced it to fit the presentation rather than forced the presentation to fit the complexity of the issue.

      There are some very intelligent people in the military just as there were in NASA when the Challenger was launched. Rocket scientists even. It isn't that they can't comprehend the information in that spaghetti map or O-ring failure by temperature data, it is, as you point out, presenting it in a way that is useful to them.

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    4. Re:NASA / Ed Tufte reference by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ed Tufte's real issue in the article is failing to recognize that the purpose of that presentation was not to inform the audience but to protect the presenter. That sort of thing is common in any organization whenever the topic is "how we screwed up".

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  7. Not bullet-izable by myrrdyn · · Score: 5, Funny
    From the article:

    General McMaster said in a telephone interview afterward. “Some problems in the world are not bullet-izable.”

    Oh, man... the irony

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    1. Re:Not bullet-izable by TheKidWho · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, some require rockets.

    2. Re:Not bullet-izable by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Interesting

      ... Thomas X. Hammes, a retired Marine colonel, whose title, "Dumb-Dumb Bullets," underscored criticism of fuzzy bullet points; "accelerate the introduction of new weapons," for instance, does not actually say who should do so.

      That's not a weakness of powerpoint, it's a weakness of the presenter.
      I've given powerpoint presentations, but they were just the front end of a much deeper paper.
      The way I learned to use powerpoint was that it should provide enough information for people to know whether or not they want to read your full paper.

      Lt. Gen. David D. McKiernan, who led the allied ground forces in the 2003 invasion of Iraq, grew frustrated when he could not get Gen. Tommy R. Franks, the commander at the time of American forces in the Persian Gulf region, to issue orders that stated explicitly how he wanted the invasion conducted, and why. Instead, General Franks just passed on to General McKiernan the vague PowerPoint slides that he had already shown to Donald H. Rumsfeld, the defense secretary at the time.

      Holy. Farking. Shit.
      I imagine this is what the presentation looked like:

      • Shock and Awe
      • ???
      • Oil Revenue
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    3. Re:Not bullet-izable by wiredlogic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or, in close quarters, a dagger.

      Someday /. will support Unicode. In the meantime...

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  8. To Give The Devil His Due... by damn_registrars · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think it is fair to blame this directly on Microsoft. There are, after all, other programs available today that allow you to make terrible presentations. If the talk had been done instead in Apple Keynote, OpenOffice, or any other program, it still would have been possible to make massive, mind-numbing, information-lacking, slides.

    For that matter, I'm pretty sure the same was possible before we started doing this with software - it was certainly possible with film slides as well.

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    1. Re:To Give The Devil His Due... by Nadaka · · Score: 2, Funny

      And don't forget those poster sized flip books that were all the rage in the 80's and 90's before digital projectors became commonplace.

    2. Re:To Give The Devil His Due... by SendBot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you're missing the point. The concern is with the military having institutionalized an ineffective means of intercommunication, using specifically powerpoint as their tool of choice.

      Even if they didn't use PP, it would still be referred to by that name as people used to call all photocopies "xerox" and all inline skates "rollerblades".

      The process of "quickly" creating slides in the presentations made conducive by the software creates a false sense of understanding, and that is the issue.

    3. Re:To Give The Devil His Due... by miggyb · · Score: 2, Funny

      Microsoft should absoultely take none of the blame for this. PowerPoint is a tool that does have it's useful purposes sometimes. For example, it's absolutely great for printing shipping labels or making last-minute valentine's day cards.

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    4. Re:To Give The Devil His Due... by vxice · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And of course there is no way that something as simple as occupying a multi-ethnic country can so so complex as to not be understood by a 3rd grader. If something seems simple you most likely clearly don't understand it. I mean the space shuttle is just a shuttle that goes in space right? What is so complex that NASA needs billions to build one. I could buy a used school bus strap a rocket to it and be good to go.

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    5. Re:To Give The Devil His Due... by dotancohen · · Score: 2, Funny

      For that matter, I'm pretty sure the same was possible before we started doing this with software - it was certainly possible with film slides as well.

      To err is human. But to really fuck things up you need a computer.

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    6. Re:To Give The Devil His Due... by pz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think it is fair to blame this directly on Microsoft. There are, after all, other programs available today that allow you to make terrible presentations. If the talk had been done instead in Apple Keynote, OpenOffice, or any other program, it still would have been possible to make massive, mind-numbing, information-lacking, slides.

      For that matter, I'm pretty sure the same was possible before we started doing this with software - it was certainly possible with film slides as well.

      The huge difference was that with film slides -- at least the ones you had to expose with a 35mm camera, or the ones you drew up by hand -- was that the author's actual or perceived difficulty or cost was a damping factor. It make the authors think before making a presentation (anyone other than me remember how expensive a box of overhead sheets were?), and carefully consider what to say and how to say it.

      With everything computerized, it's too easy to run off at the mouth, as it were, because the incremental cost of doing so isn't another overpriced sheet of blank acetate and the time to hand-draw the slide, but essentially zero. (You see the same thing on social media sites where photo albums comprised of two dozen nearly, but not quite, identical photos are commonplace.) There is no external cost function forcing the author to self-edit, and we, as a society, have not yet developed the educational infrastructure to promote editorial awareness. Seriously, editing --- the art of reducing excesses of source material into a small, coherent presentation --- is hard and should be taught starting in secondary school. Witness this Slashdot article, we as a society are starting, slowly to understand the problem exists, and, hopefully, we'll begin to work to fixing it.

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  9. There's not really a better alternative by Jeian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When I was in USAF officer training, all the trainees were required to give several briefings throughout the program. We were told that we could use any visual aids we wanted (to include whiteboard, PowerPoint or... who knows.)

    All 144 of us used PowerPoint, simply because it was the easiest way to complement what you were talking about.

    1. Re:There's not really a better alternative by lwsimon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But was it the best way?

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    2. Re:There's not really a better alternative by Jahava · · Score: 4, Informative

      But was it the best way?

      It really depends. PowerPoint (and presentation applications in general) offer a very flexible and powerful method for imparting information. You can collect disparate pieces of information together, present it in numerous forms (text, pictures, animations, etc.), and emphasize and accent, among other things. These are all very useful things to do for a variety of situations. The issue with PowerPoint (and office software in general) is the misconceived perception that it should be used by everybody. Some people know how to present, and others do not. Those who do not will make a mess out of anything, including presentation software.

      With great power comes great responsibility -- Spider Man

      Presentation applications, like any other flexible development environment, carry with them a responsibility that it be used intelligently and purposefully. The ability to display all sorts of information also increases the overall potential complexity of the information. The same generic set of guidelines applies, just like it always has, be it with books, technical papers, charts, graphics, code comments, or any other medium:

      • Know your audience - One single presentation cannot effectively address an audience with a wide variety of purposes and backgrounds. The presentation cannot be broken down into chunks that are interesting to only one group at a time. It's a performance, and it should be performed to a captivated audience. It's very easy to cram too much stuff into a single presentation, when multiple targeted presentations would have been effective and clear.
      • Use the tool appropriately - A presentation isn't a book club. Anybody can read text, and chances are most of then can read it faster than you can speak it. The presentation software should complement an overall presentation, providing supplemental points, overviews, summaries, accents, and emphasis. If you are going to read the slides verbatim, write a document. Furthermore, slides are not meant to be lingered on. Your audience cannot be expected to stare at a projection for 30 minutes to absorb things, nor should you ask that of them. If such deep supplemental material is needed for your presentation, distribute it beforehand or offer printouts so the audience can take it at their own pace.
      • Be purposeful - Every element of a presentation should have a purpose. Additional effects are (minimally) distracting and (potentially) disruptive to your overall mission of imparting information. If a slide transition doesn't increase the clarity of your message, it should not be there.
      • etc...

      ... I could go on, but you get the point. When used correctly, presentation software can be very powerful and useful. There is no inherent aspect of it that dumbs down presentations or people. The compulsion to "mutilate data" is something that only stems from a lack of understanding of how to present that data in the first place. Give an stupid person a tool, and he'll use it stupidly.

    3. Re:There's not really a better alternative by Jeian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, put it this way.

      If I stand in front of a room full of people and talk for 7 minutes, with no outline or visual aids, people's attention is going to drift. (It may do that anyway, but I'm not going to help it along. :P) In my experience, as a listener, there's no organization to a stream of words coming at you - you have to break down and organize the message on your own, which provides additional strain on the listener, and many people would rather just think about something else. By providing a visual representation of the points you're discussing, a listener can associate the details of what you're saying with the listed main point. Also, you can throw related graphics up to keep the audience's interest.

      Plus, it helps keep you on-track as a speaker.

    4. Re:There's not really a better alternative by sznupi · · Score: 2, Informative

      And that is exactly the problem with powerpoints - they hook up listeners to fragmented visual flow. If you can't keep their attention without that aid, then your presentation most likely sucks anyway and you shouldn't be giving it, you shouldn't be hiding behind it to mask how poor of a speaker you are.

      ("it helps keep you on-track as a speaker" tells everything about who really benefits from powerpoint)

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  10. I don't know... by wigaloo · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...if PowerPoint makes you stupid, but I sure feel dumber having read that article.

  11. I am reminded of a famous anonymous quote... by Old+Sparky · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Powerpoint absorbs huge amounts of time that management, marketeers, and other suits might otherwise
      spend doing real harm."

  12. It's not powerpoint by mschaffer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Powerpoint isn't the problem, it's large organization management and people who don't want to (or don't have the time) to get into the details..

    This is the nature of "summing-up" and presenting to people that do not understand what is being spoon-fed to them.

    1. Re:It's not powerpoint by Mab_Mass · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's worse than that. Putting together a powerpoint can give you the illusion that you've summarized and presented some issue clearly, when in fact, there is no content.

      At work, we hired a contractor to do some initial investigation into a scientific problem for us. After spending some time gathering data, they gave us a summary powerpoint as the final report. We pushed back hard, saying instead that we wanted a written summary.

      When it came back, the results had changed. By forcing them to actually put the summary of the data in writing, they were forced to spend longer thinking about the data, and through that analysis, they came up with a more accurate answer.

  13. I know that slide... by Morphine007 · · Score: 5, Informative

    ... and it has nothing to do with the complexity of the STRATEGY.... it's meant to give commanders an indication of the insanely-complex interrelations between various factors/actions. It's actually designed to represent the SITUATION in Afghanistan and to illustrate that simple notions of cause and effect aren't quite as simple as you'd like to believe. The slide is nothing more than a model of a very complex situation.... and it's actually a damned good one too.

    Check out the larger version of the picture and take a look at some of the headings.

    Look at the top right of the dark blue portion, where it says "targeted strikes", if you start following some of the arrows, you see (as you should expect) that targeted strikes will have an effect on "Insurgent Damages and Casualties" and that such an effect will also have an effect on "Fear of ANSF/Coalition Repercussions", which will also have an effect on "Insurgent recruiting/manpower".

    There's no description of strategy there, and if you sat down and tried to think about the repercussions of specific actions taken in an area filled with insurgents and a populace that is sometimes sympathetic and sometimes not sympathetic to both the coalition and insurgents, a lot of the interrelations would seem pretty obvious - ie. if you spend too much effort killing insurgents, you run the risk of increasing their ability to recruit, because the population will begin to fear and resent you.

    Don't look at the slide as a whole... just look for an entry on the slide that represents an action, and follow the arrows which show what the effects of that action are.

    1. Re:I know that slide... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Don't look at the slide as a whole... just look for an entry on the slide that represents an action, and follow the arrows which show what the effects of that action are.

      No, don't do that, because each line in and of itself is simplified, and doesn't tell you anything you shouldn't have already known if you weren't being overly simplistic yourself. As you say, it's obvious. So what's the point of looking at the obvious and simplistic as represented in such a tangled mess?

      Look at the slide as a whole. What's the message? "The situation in Afghanistan is a network of interrelated feedback loops vastly too complicated to be conveyed in a single slide". That's the only real information this slide conveys.

      I could actually see this slide being highly useful if displayed to the right people. People who are involved in policy but have too simple an idea of the war. "Oh good, I'm going to have the war explained in a powerpoint slide," they say, thinking of typical PP presentations they've seen. The bam, up pops that tangled mess. "Whoa, this is way more complicated than I thought!" And there you go. Message imparted.

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  14. What a chart! by LanMan04 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Wow, someone needs to learn how to use GraphViz:

    http://www.graphviz.org/

    *avoid edge crossings and reduce edge length

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  15. Crutch by COMON$ · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Its not that Powerpoint makes us stupid so much as it is a Friggin crutch. Powerpoint presentations CAN be done well. The problem is, mostly idiots make the presentations, read directly from the slides, and use whiz bang animations to make up for content...

    I would make note of several other crutches that should be great but are created by idiots.

    Most site index engines, for an example try to find something useful on Symantec's website using their built in KB search.

    Photoshop, you got to love all the "professional photographers" who simply apply the latest filter from their torrented CS.

    WYSIWYG, pick any, you know what I am talking about here folks, if you don't...well you probably are part of the problem.

    Social Media sites, the abuse never ends...I'm looking at you farmtown girl and political right/leftwing nutjob friends.

    Any of these items should work and be great tools but there are just too many idiots in the world who dont want to put effort into anything. These people will exist whether the crutches are there or not, but they sure as heck will waste a lot less time.

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  16. GEM by oldhack · · Score: 2

    My bad - I RTFA and this is the gem in the piece:

    Commanders say that the slides impart less information than a five-page paper can hold, and that they relieve the briefer of the need to polish writing to convey an analytic, persuasive point. Imagine lawyers presenting arguments before the Supreme Court in slides instead of legal briefs.

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  17. Looks familiar by lyinhart · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Reminds me of this flowchart that's supposedly about how to fire an inept NYC school teacher.

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  18. PowerPoint? by LarryRiedel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But nothing speaks to this more than the spaghetti-bowl PowerPoint slide of the US Military's strategy in the ongoing war in Afghanistan.

    Projecting a diagram onto a screen does not make the diagram a PowerPoint slide. The complexity of that diagram has nothing to do with PowerPoint.

  19. Re:I agree. by CuriHP · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The problem is in the first statement. You don't understand.

    This is some RTS game on a limited map. In an active engagement, US troops are more than a match for insurgents. But when the enemy can hide anywhere and more anywhere, you must defend everywhere. You need a force that can counter them anywhere they might appear. Hence, you need a much bigger force.

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  20. War is complex, so you get a complex slide by MarkLR · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think the point of that slide is to show that the war is complex and judging by the laughing it worked. It's basically like Primer in this XKCD comic, the point is not is understand the picture but to see that its very complex.

  21. The slide is perfect. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Sometimes the situation or mission is complicated."

    Killing Afghanis for employment and profit, while hiding the true nature of what is being done is very complicated. The slide shows that perfectly.

    This is the real underlying issue: If Afghanistan can be made safe, an oil company can become very rich by building an oil pipeline from the interior of Russia to Pakistan. A side issue is that weapons sales and war contracting are easy money. (It is the employees of the war contractors who are killed.)

    To those who want to make money, killing poor and relatively defenseless people is just a cost of doing business. Especially since the U.S. taxpayer pays the cost.

    "... incapable leadership and poor communication..."

    Exactly.

  22. The whole MS Office suite does this by WebCowboy · · Score: 2, Funny

    PowerPoint exposes how stupid we already are.

    Basically, it isn't "PowerPoint makes us stupid", it is "Stupid people make us use PowerPoint". But that's true in some ways about the entire suite of MS Office products:

    * You haven't worked in an enterprise environment until you've been forced to use MS Excel worksheets as database tables, by managers of the kind who use a $2 calculator to work out the solution before typing that solution into the cell. As these "tables" become unwieldy they are augmented by elabourate macros crafted by the boss' secretary (secretaries wield Excel like witches yield black magic).

    * All documentation must be authored in MS Word, even 1000 page technical tomes where Word is ill-suited for the task. All doumentation must be passed around via email, until it clogs the server and someone comes up with the idea of an intranet portal (perhaps even Sharepoint! ooooh! aaaah!). Corporate intranet turns into 90%+ .doc content.

    * The more forward-thinking bosses realise that MS Excel is not a database (perhaps because their pet .xls file hit the 65k row limits before Excel 2007 was released). Stupid non-normalised tables imported straight from Excel into Access. Secretary learns how to build even more amazingly byzantine forms and macros, and eventually a whole department relies on a creaky Access .mdb on a network drive with no security where a dozen people run giant queries on un-indexed columns where a proper database server would be more appropriate.

    And of course, the whole thing must be supported by an IT person who had no role in crafting this mess.

    Powerpoint wasn't designed to make people stupid. Just like the rest of MS Office, it has been comandeered by idiots and forced to their mind-numbing bidding. MSFT products may be low in efficiency and reliability, high on resource consumption and vendor lock-in but they are quite easy to pick up even if they lack the "taste" on famous Steve seems to crave. ON one hand it has helped bring computing to the masses. The other edge of that sword is that it has enabled the semi-literate to misapply all of those applications with minimal effort.

  23. Gettysburg Presentation by adavies42 · · Score: 3, Funny
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