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Tweeting From the Front Line

blackbearnh writes "There's an interesting article up on O'Reilly Radar talking about how the US military is reacting to the increasing use of social media by soldiers in hostile territory. In an interview, Price Floyd, Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs, talks about the trade-offs between operational security and allowing soldiers and the public to interact, and how social media has changed the way the DoD communicates with the public. 'I think that we need to become much more comfortable with taking risk, much more comfortable with having multiple spokesmen out there, thousands of spokesmen in essence. But, for me, there's nothing more credible than the men and women who are out there on the front lines, fighting the wars that we're in, sending messages back to their family and friends.'"

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  1. Re:Tweeting by suso · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It can be useful if you find something interesting to follow. Hint Hint: @climagic.

  2. Brother in active duty by spyder913 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Right now my brother is in active duty in Afghanistan, and the fact that they have internet from their barracks is huge for their morale, and for the morale of his wife and my parents. The level of communication we can have with him is beyond what I imagine people in any past war would have dreamed possible.

    He got to see his new nephew who was born while he's been deployed thanks to skype.

    1. Re:Brother in active duty by Angst+Badger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can only imagine. I don't think most civilians understand the level of isolation that soldiers endure, even in peacetime. Add to that the stress of being shot at, and being able to talk to people back home has got to be tremendously comforting. As long as the troops are trained to safeguard operational security -- as if they didn't have a very strong incentive to do so anyway -- any risk has got to be outweighed by the boost in morale.

      Anyway, best wishes to your brother. I hope he gets to see his nephew in person soon.

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    2. Re:Brother in active duty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Maybe in future we can have soldiers coming home after 5.

      We do, and it's a problem. Pilots are flying 'combat missions' from Nellis AFB via satellite link to armed Predators. So they'll engage in a firefight, kill people (and watch friendlies/enemies people die), then come home to errands, soccer, and dirty diapers.

      It actually causes a lot of stress the military is learning. There are a couple golden rules about communicating with home they teach spouses... a key one is don't bother the person deployed with the routine problems at home, they can't do anything about it and it just stresses them out worrying. The nice thing about being deployed is that life is pretty simple. Facebook/Twitter add communication, but still within limits.

      But coming home when you may have watched a platoon you had overwatch for get wiped out to the normality of daily life, only to go back the next day, is HARD.

      US military had a dose of that in Yugoslavia, when people stationed at Aviano permanently with their families were flying missions from 'home'.

  3. I can see it now by Gothmolly · · Score: 5, Funny

    JUS KILD SUM HAJIS LOL !1!!

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  4. Misleading title by Coward+Anonymous · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It should be Tweeting From Just Behind the Front-Line.
    The Front-Line folks are too busy getting shot at to Tweet. It's the support folks who get to do the tweeting (and have all the other fun)...

    1. Re:Misleading title by Message · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Where do you define the front line in asymmetric warfare? Chances are those support personnel have just as much chance to get blown up by an IED while conducting a logistics convoy or from a mortar round lobbed at the base, and that is not even accounting for the growing number of support personnel that are doing traditionally combat roles... perimeter defense, access control points, roadblocks, etc.

      A lot of my friends are infantry types that manage to tweet or get on facebook while deployed. We had decent internet access during OIF I back in 2003...

  5. Military Tracking? by TheKidWho · · Score: 4, Interesting

    With some sort of Algorithm could one not track troop movements and strengths then?

    1. Re:Military Tracking? by HungryHobo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If fighting a more technically advanced and well organised foe this would be more important.

      it's a tradeoff, morale vs intelligence leaks and the morale factor can be worth it.

      Also I image you could also be mislead just as easily.

      An intelligence channel which you know the enemy has access to is orders of magnitude less valuable to them than a channel which you don't know they have access to since once you know about it you can feed false info when it's useful to you.

      it's why quite a bit of effort went into convincing the germans that enigma hadn't been broken when it in fact had.

      Also troops on the front line who's necks are on the block as it were will tend to pay more attention to the stuff about loose lips sinking ships etc.

    2. Re:Military Tracking? by vlm · · Score: 4, Funny

      With some sort of Algorithm could one not track troop movements and strengths then?

      Yes its a simple algorithm, go to news.google.com and search for "afghanistan troop strengths"

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  6. "DoD communicates with the public"??? by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 3, Informative
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  7. Re:Tweeting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    On the other hand, your posts are almost always far more inane than even the most inane twitter posts.

  8. Re:American "Freedom" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Loose Lips Sink Ships, girlyman.

  9. Re:Tweeting by ultramk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here's what I said on the subject in a similar BoingBoing thread recently:

    If you really think that Twitter is terrible and causing the downfall of civilization or whatever, that's just a sign that you're not subscribed to the right feeds.

    There are tons of feeds by brilliant, creative people like Peter Serafinowicz who really use the medium to its true advantage. The feed shitmydadsays, for example.

    Also, if you have a small group of family and friends who have been scattered to the four winds for the usual reasons, it's a lovely way to be connected to them daily in an asynchronous, casual way. Perhaps you're lucky enough to have everyone you care about in the same time zone, but a lot of us are not that fortunate.

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  10. Re:American "Freedom" by couchslug · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "It's hilarious that American troops, who are supposedly from a culture that emphasized "freedom" and who are supposedly fighting for the "freedom" of other people, basically have all of their freedom stripped away"

    Operation security means denying the enemy information. While communication and warm-fizzy exchange with the home folks is important, real-time chatter about trifling subjects is not.

    There are two kinds of conversations from a military theater, "Emergency" and "Bullshit". Bullshit can wait.

    Modern commo rocks (and is MUCH nicer than snail mail and moral telephone calls of old, been there and done all the above) but if you can't temporarily disconnect the electronic umbilical cord now and then, GTFO the military and let someone else get that sweet career path and tasty benefit package.

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  11. Re:American "Freedom" by HungryHobo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Morale has been an issue in every major war.
    Even hardened soldiers can get a boost from the occasional bit of bullshit conversation with the girlfriend/wife, the folks or the kids.

  12. Re:American "Freedom" by e9th · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think they're trying to avoid stuff like this:

    tedstriker: My squadron ships out tomorrow. We're bombing the storage depots at Daiquiri at 1800 hours. We're coming in from the north, below their radar.
    elainedickinson: @tedstriker: When will you be back?
    tedstriker: @elainedickinson: I can't tell you that. It's classified.

  13. propaganda vs operational security by SuperBanana · · Score: 2, Insightful

    he talks about the trade-offs between operational security and allowing soldiers and the public to interact,

    Let me rephrase that for you: they're torn between the need for operational security, and using soldiers for good PR. Otherwise, the press wouldn't have had to fight tooth and nail to be allowed to attend or photograph the ceremonies where dead soldiers are unloaded from cargo transports.

    Blogging/twittering is just the modern version of the WW2 propaganda films. Look at our romantic heros, off to fight for justice and democracy! Look at our gritty, determined fighters putting up with horrible conditions and a bitter enemy! Give a voice to front-liners and you see what narcissistic people in the war want you to see. For example, the IED that gets blown up on the side of the road harmlessly...not the one that kills half the soldier's friends. And all the people with internet access are the ones doing Club Med tours- not the ones fighting in the trenches and caves.

    One only need look at that attack helicopter video to see the stark difference between reality and what soldiers and the military want us to see.

    1. Re:propaganda vs operational security by ceejayoz · · Score: 2

      And all the people with internet access are the ones doing Club Med tours- not the ones fighting in the trenches and caves.

      Right, because the people who fight in trenches and caves don't ever return to base.

    2. Re:propaganda vs operational security by number17 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Im not sure this is actually a troll. Propoganda by allies was huge in WWII and delaying/not reporting bad news was a must. Check out the CBC documentary, Love Hate and Propoganda, that aired a couple weeks ago: http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/lovehatepropaganda/

  14. OPSEC is a fallacy by adosch · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Being in the military and deployed during the first and second rotation of Operation Iraqi Freedom (which was during the dawn of MySpace and Facebook just 'starting' to get popular when I was heading back to the states), I think my opinion would hold some weight as to say there are very few tradeoffs unless you make sure soliders Twitter and Facebook profiles are private and stay that way. I think with that, it would be no more insecure than having a weak password associated with your web-email account.

    E-mail may not be 'cool' anymore to do, but it works and it's effective. I think the U.S. military caves on this because they share the same belief I do: it's a lost cause and too hard to corral. If you discipline or 'educate' your enlisted folk not to use it, some officer is going to break their own rules and do it and it's *always* going to be too-much-information leaked.

    If you have 'that' much free time on your hands in a war zone, as a solider, to be updating your profile and status on social networks several times a day, you probably have absolutely zero business being there in the first place.

  15. Psychological Tweet Warfare . . . by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Before the Normandy invasion, the Allies used fake radio traffic, to convince the Germans that the real invasion was coming to Pas de Calais by an army led by Patton: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Fortitude

    Why not Tweet a couple of fake attacks to scare the bejesus out of the enemy?

    Enough of these, and the enemy won't be able to determine who's who, and what's what.

    C'mon lazy ass psych-op guys! Get on it!

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  16. Re:American "Freedom" by HungryHobo · · Score: 2, Funny

    tedstriker: @elainedickinson: After I get back I'll meet you in the armoury. The code to get in is 66537, I'll bring the condoms.

  17. Re:American "Freedom" by dbet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Operation security means denying the enemy information.

    Much like companies that have non-disclosure agreements and stand to lose billions if they are broken, I'm sure the military can come up with some guidelines about what you can and can't say on social media sites. It's not like soldiers can't or don't use the telephone, so there's already a way for them to spread information inappropriately.

  18. Re:Tweeting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Okay, guts are coming out.

  19. Re:American "Freedom" by tibman · · Score: 3, Funny

    You mean "Loose Tweets Sinks Fleets" like in this poster: http://www.flickr.com/photos/doctabu/3657942692/

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  20. Re:American "Freedom" by Bakkster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And that's what the Pentagon is trying to balance: the desire for morale boosters, without violating OpSec.

    Hell, even saying "talk to you in a week" broadcasts to enemy inteligence officers that your division is likely deploying for a week where you will be off-line, and to track you.

    In other words, the Pentagon needs reasonable standards for what constitutes 'loose lips' which may 'sink ships'. Obviously Twitter is the worst possible medium if OpSec is your goal.

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  21. What the hell? by copponex · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In Afghanistan, we are not battling an army that has the same technology we do. We're battling an indigenous people who have been at war for fifty years, either between themselves or against an invader. Unfortunately for us, the only people they hate more than another tribe is foreign invaders, i.e. Americans.

    They are holed up in caves, stocking up on ammunition and resting until they have enough weapons, ammo, and food to launch another assault. Or they are building IEDs and monitoring regular troop movements to plant and detonate them. Their singular goal is to kick us out, and eventually they will. You can't occupy a nation, especially one as battle hardened as Afghanistan, when they don't want you there in the first place.

    Tweet all the fuck you want. They are reloading no matter what lame psyops scheme you have cooked up.

    Imagine if you were defending your homeland. What wouldn't you do?

  22. Damn straight by BenEnglishAtHome · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...there's nothing more credible than the men and women who are out there on the front lines...

    During a previous excursion into sandy bloodletting, under Bush The Elder, one of the few completely trustworthy accounts I got from the battlefield was a letter from the son of a co-worker. She was kind enough to share with me.

    There had been a friendly-fire incident that made the news. All the news accounts didn't seem to make sense. Everybody was spinning the story every way they could, madly, with little regard for truth. This mom, knowing her son was in the same group as the incident occurred, asked him about it. His letter, recieved well after the media circus had died out, was perfect.

    What I mean was, the man was *right there*, 20 yards from the source of the friendly fire. He was *right there* pulling dead Americans who had just been killed by other Americans out of their vehicles. And his story of who was where and when they did what was the only account of that situation that I had ever seen that actually made sense.

    Once you get off the front line, stories of war accrete bullshit until they're unrecognizable as even possible, much less the truth.