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Tom's Hardware On the Current Stable of Office Apps For Linux

tc6669 writes "Tom's Hardware is continuing its coverage of easy-to-install Linux applications for new users coming from Windows with the latest installment, Office Apps. This segment covers office suites, word processors, spreadsheet apps, presentation software, simple database titles, desktop publishing, project management, financial software, and more. All of these applications are available in the Ubuntu, Fedora, or openSUSE repos or as .deb or .rpm packages. All of the links to download these applications are provided — even Windows .exe and Mac OS X .dmg files when available."

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  1. KOffice 2 by pavon · · Score: 3, Informative

    Bah, they didn't review KOffice 2, even though it had been released at the time of writing. It will be included in the next version of all the distros, and ignoring it makes their roundup obsolete before they even published it.

    1. Re:KOffice 2 by Kjella · · Score: 3, Informative

      Heh, KOffice 2.0.0 was released on May 28th 2009 so that has been out a looooooooong time. On the other hand, they also said in the release notes:

      Targeted Audience

      Our goal for now is to release a first preview of what we have accomplished. This release is mainly aimed at developers, testers and early adopters. It is not aimed at end users, and we do not recommend Linux distributions to package it as the default office suite yet.

      And no, the bold outline is not mine. Maybe we should wait for the first release that sees any wide testing by normal linux distro users first? And for a review on Tom's Hardware I'd wait until the next release after that when the nastiest bugs are cleaned up. I imagine any review they'd do now would do more harm than good...

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    2. Re:KOffice 2 by notjustchalk · · Score: 3, Informative

      Maybe this was added on later (?), but they did give a reason for not putting in KOffice 2:

      Please note that I used KOffice version 1.6.3 for this roundup. Version 2.0 of KOffice gets full KDE 4 integration and a major face-lift. Though the long-awaited 2.0 has been officially released, it was not yet available via the official repo of any major distribution at posting time. Also, the KDE project tends to make its .0 releases the first look at the development of a new version, not a stable milestone like most other software houses.

      I think he's got a point about the "stable milestone" part - remember KDE4?

  2. No LaTeX, R, etc. by Hatta · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I didn't see any mention of LaTeX (or Beamer), R, or PostgreSQL. No, these aren't your typical office packages. They're better than your typical office packages.

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    1. Re:No LaTeX, R, etc. by toastar · · Score: 4, Funny

      I didn't see any mention of LaTeX (or Beamer), R, or PostgreSQL. No, these aren't your typical office packages. They're better than your typical office packages.

      What? PostgreSQL? LaTeX?

      Are you going to be dictating to your secretary who's typing in SQL statements?

  3. Times are changing by dingen · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's great to see major websites like Tom's Hardware publishing articles like these. I'll forward it to a collegue of mine. He's not a computer nerd in any way, yet being fed up with how crappy Windows was running on his netbook, he managed to find out about Ubuntu and install it on his machine completely by himself. It's quite amazing to me that someone with so little tech-saviness can achieve this. I'm not saying it's going to be the year of the Linux desktop or anything, but times are definately changing.

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  4. Improved driver support by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The main thing that changed is now manufacturers are trying to get Linux drivers out to the masses. I remember back when I first started using Linux (Fedora Core 4 then later Puppy Linux on an old PIII) and having trouble getting basic things like PCI wireless cards to work. The days of Ndiswrapper and painfully extraction various .exes found on questionable Russian driver sites to try to get Linux to work with them are long gone. And quite honestly, I found installing Windows 7 on a spare partition to be a lot harder than installing the latest Ubuntu release because Ubuntu detected all my hardware whereas I was searching for drivers on almost every piece of hardware for Windows.

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    1. Re:Improved driver support by dingen · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, that big old monolithic kernel is really starting to pay off. Today the same collegue I was referring to in the GP wanted to install the office printer on his netbook. It's a Samsung SCX-4500W, a laser-printer connected through WiFi. On Windows, installing this baby means going through a series of installers, which you have to find on Samsungs website. Installing it in Ubuntu is a simple click on a button, as the printer is completely auto-detected and drivers are already present. It's really quite bizarre that out of all desktop operating systems, Windows is actually the one hardest for users to work with.

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  5. The Lotus Fallacy by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Most people simply never needed $400 desktop productivity apps.

    The idea that everyone needed to be completely compatible with the market leader quickly
    took hold and helped strangle the industry. Documents should have no more vendor-lock
    associated with them than image files.

    Those of us that don't really need Word, nor really even like it, should not be held hostage by those that do.

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    1. Re:The Lotus Fallacy by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The idea that everyone needed to be completely compatible with the market leader quickly took hold and helped strangle the industry. Documents should have no more vendor-lock associated with them than image files.

      That's an interesting point - you can read jpg and tiff files from anywhere on any system. Even .psd (photoshop native format) readers are pretty ubiquitous. I'm surprised that Linux doesn't have the functionality of Preview / TextEdit in OS X - between the two programs you can read and write to pretty much anything.

      Of course, you do lose some fancy formatting, especially with Idiot Word files, but I view that as a feature, not a bug. Complex Word files are an absolute nightmare, even for pure Windows shops. Stripping out some of that garbage goes a long way to making people read the words, not worry about the ditzil brained bullet character.

      Now, if you Word users would please go and get off my lawn I'll just retire for my afternoon nap.

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    2. Re:The Lotus Fallacy by jmorris42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > I don't think that's a legislative action item. It's not the government's job to make sure people make smart decisions.

      No but if they themselves set the right example the Microsoft document monopoly would end overnight. Simply forbid the use of Microsoft document formats within or between government agencies or the distribution to the public in those formats. Program their mail gateways to automagically transform Microsoft attachments into something benign. We have an ISO standard now, governments should use it. Then if Office gained the ability to faithfully interoperate in those formats it wouldn't matter what anyone else wanted to use anymore than it matters if a JPG was originally created or modified with Photoshop.

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  6. Re:Not good enough if you deal with customers. by ibsteve2u · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It has been my experience that 1600 seats @free per seat will often offset a single missing cell border.

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  7. Re:Not good enough if you deal with customers. by Jim+Hall · · Score: 4, Informative

    "When you're doing something for a potential client or for a client, having little imperfections like that, imperfections that are uncontrollable, does not make a good impression. That concerns me that there's little things like that that still crop up."

    Microsoft Office isn't really compatible with itself. I've posted this one before, but I guess I'll mention it again:

    In a meeting from about a year ago, one of the attendees sent out some notes for us to read beforehand. We all dutifully printed out our copy of the document, and brought it with us to the meeting.

    Despite the fact that the document was created with Microsoft Office, and that we all run Microsoft Office, there were 3 different versions of the printed document at the meeting. You could tell by looking around the table that one version of the notes (printed from Microsoft Office for Macintosh) arranged the text around a table in a weird way. Another version (printed by Microsoft Office 2007) put a page break in a different place and put an extra blank line between a table and its caption. The original version (Microsoft Office 2003) was formatted as intended.

    This was a simple 3-page document in "DOC" format, with an enumerated list of paragraphs, so it didn't take long for us to realize our copies printed out differently, and to figure out the correlation between versions of Word and how the document printed out.

    I think it just goes to show: if you have a document that absolutely must preserve formatting, send it as a PDF.

  8. Re:Let me save you some time... by rwa2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm a big Linux geek, but I'd have to agree with you when it comes to features like "Track Changes". On the other hand, none of the engineering companies I've worked for really had any clue how to effectively use those features.

    In my experience, OpenOffice has been great for classwork and day-to-day stuff. I wouldn't get all fancy with graphing, however, since the formatting and scaling still kind of stinks and is crash prone (though it's improved greatly on recent releases, like 3.2+).

    For anything more than casual use, I'd go straight to a combination of Lyx + gnuplot / octave .

    Most of my casual spreadsheet use is actually done in gnumeric, which is very light, fast, and stable. Unfortunately I can't say the same about Abiword, so I tend to stick to OpenOffice for documents.

    Finally, most of my presentations are exported to pdf and displayed using keyjnote / Impress!ve for its dead-simple but awesome usable GLX eye-candy.

    If I really need MS Office compatibility to fill out someone's stupid form (which happens often for heavily formatted documents -- different versions of MS Office still can't even share these with each other even with all the compatibility packs), I boot up Windows in a VM (either the free VMware server 2.0 or VirtualBox, which actually tends to be easier to install and works better).

  9. so which is faster? by Khashishi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do they even read what they write?

    "OO.o Writer is the fastest and most responsive word processor available for Linux today."

    "KWord is fast. It's probably the fastest-loading and maybe the most responsive word processor in the roundup."