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Microsoft's Touted iPad Rival Courier Becomes Less Than Vapor

Kostya writes "The much discussed Courier two-panel tablet device from Microsoft is now even less than vaporware — now it's just plain dead. 'Microsoft execs informed the internal team that had been working on the tablet device that the project would no longer be supported.' While the Courier had never been officially announced as a supported product by Microsoft, it had generated a lot of discussion as what the iPad should have been."

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  1. On the upside though... by Fluffeh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I bet you can BING some awesome reviews and success stories about this tablet anyhow.

    *snicker*

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    1. Re:On the upside though... by biryokumaru · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ya, it would have been nice to see Bing come out as a good competitor to Google, competition really does push everyone to improve... sucks that it had to die...

      Oh, you meant the Courier? Ya, that thing was cool.

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    2. Re:On the upside though... by node+3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's too wonderful and too practical a concept to be gone for long.

      Yeah, Microsoft finally canned it because it was so wonderful and practical...

      The video that went out right around the time the iPad was announced was a concept video. It was a rendering and not an actual product or even a prototype. Pure, unadulterated vaporware whose only purpose was to get some people disinterested in the iPad. And it appears to have worked. There are numerous Slashdot posts about how, "I don't want an iPad, I'm waiting for MS's Courier." This is one of Microsoft's oldest tactics, vaporware.

      The thing about vaporware is that it's vaporware for the very reason that's it's both wonderful and *not* practical. It's biting off more than you can chew, so of course it has to be wonderful (easy to do when it doesn't even exist), and it's not practical since if it were, it would either exist, or if it doesn't exist yet, it would be something you'd not want to show off until it's just about finished since someone else could presumably beat you to the punch (if it's so practical, after all).

    3. Re:On the upside though... by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How is it good? It doubles the cost while giving you a screen with a nice visible split in it. Books are closed because of the format, tablets do not need to act like books.

    4. Re:On the upside though... by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah but you really ought to give MSFT credit, they have gotten bullshitting down to a fricking art form. For those not old enough to remember or who weren't into PCs at the time read The Yellow Road To Cairo to see how MSFT under old Darth Gates managed to pretty much grind innovation to a halt for FIVE years, while killing or nearly killing several competitors, all while selling not a damned thing at all besides screenshots and bullshit.

      Say what you want about old Billy boy, it takes some 50 pound brass balls to bullshit an entire industry for half a decade with nothing but a bluff. To keep a lie going THAT long, and get everyone to believe it? Man I'd hate to play old Bill in poker. Hell I'll admit he bluffed the shit out of me too, I didn't get OS/2 until it was practically on life support because I was waiting for the Cairo coolness. say what you want about old Bill, he is one cold calculating son of a bitch.

      It is a shame it turned out to be bullshit, but I figured it was, old Ballmer monkey just ain't got the bullshitting skills that Bill had. To pull off good vaporware you got to make the audience believe in the vapors not just throw out a press release or an occasional leak. Ballmer needs to go spend some time at the feet of his master before trying to pull that off again, he just ain't got the skills.

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    5. Re:On the upside though... by binarylarry · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why so they can cry on my shoulder about getting owned by Nintendo?

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    6. Re:On the upside though... by KshGoddess · · Score: 4, Informative

      or because they've got a 54% estimated failure rate?

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    7. Re:On the upside though... by node+3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Pure, unadulterated vaporware whose only purpose was to get some people disinterested in the iPad. And it appears to have worked.

      So, my choices went from iPad vs Courier to iPad vs nothing else on the market, and this helped Microsoft in some way.

      You don't seem to understand how vaporware works. If you actually had a competing product, you wouldn't need vaporware, you'd just promote the real thing you have to offer. But MS has nothing to offer.

      For at least for a short amount of time, potential iPad buyers were holding off for a Courier. For this tactic to work, MS never has to actually release Courier. All they have to do is slow iPad sales.

      There used to be a time when people would put off purchases, in favor of some vaporware MS product, for years, by which time the superior technology (that actually existed) would fail to gain traction and die, all without MS ever shipping anything. The market doesn't really work that way anymore, so at best it will buy them a few months. The fact that they didn't make the best use of those few months doesn't negate the potential upsides of this tactic.

      And besides, Courier helped make the iPad appear less interesting and less advanced than it is, this helped play a small role in the "iPad is lame" nerdfest, which is still active and is still benefitting Microsoft. It's hard for a real product to compete with a product that is completely made up, and once you're able to convince at least some people into accepting that this wonderful imaginary product is real, it sours one's impressions of real products that can, and do, actually exist.

    8. Re:On the upside though... by fwarren · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Let me tell you about my first computer purchase.

      I was 17 years old and had a job at K-Mart. At the time, the Commodore-64 was around $500.00 and the Vic-20 was $150.00. So I decided to purchase a Vic-20.

      As it turns out, the K-Mart lay away program did not allow you to purchase electronics that way. I did not want to wait to come up with $150.00 money in my pocket would be spent before it was saved. There was a Federated store across that that I could purchase a Vic-20 for the same $150.00.

      So I got paid every Friday, and I would go on Saturday across town and make a $50 payment on my VIC. I had paid off $100 and had $50 to go. I got my paycheck on Friday night, and found out at the same time that the price on the VIC-20 had just dropped form $150.00 down to $100.00. The restock fee was $50.00 over at Federated. So my choices at that point were to a) go, ask for my money back, pay the restock fee and buy the computer outright with the money I had in hand. Total cost: $150.00. Or b) make my last payment, total cost $150.00.

      Essentially I had purchased a computer that went down in price by 33% the moment I bought it. It was a good lesson. That is ALWAYS the decision you make when you buy a computer. There is always something newer coming along at a lower price. Sometimes it is worth waiting 3 months before purchasing, sometimes you just as well buy it now and be using it for the next 3 months instead of waiting for the next 3 months.

      And generally speaking, waiting 3 months to purchase a Microsoft product that they are not already selling to stores 3 months before they ship. That my friend is always a bad idea.

       

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  2. Tablets are dead by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Lets face it, 'tablets' are dead. You are essentially paying more for less. While there will always be a small niche market for tablets, there aren't any benefits for the general consumer when compared to a laptop, -especially- when they are running dumbed-down OSes.

    Neither the iPad nor Courier have (or would have in the case of MS's canceled project) any real advantages when it comes to getting work done than a regular Netbook or Laptop. I can see the point of a low-priced tablet device, essentially a large, sturdy smartphone for a -low- price. But when it comes down to it, its quite stupid to pay more and get less of a product and that is what tablets currently are.

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    1. Re:Tablets are dead by Neon+Aardvark · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Er, the ipad is selling hugely. This is the start of the era of tablets, so no they are not dead.

      The advantage they offer over laptops and netbooks is a tactile natural way to consume media at your leisure i.e. while you're on the sofa.

      They won't replace laptops or desktops or anything else, but they're here to stay.

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    2. Re:Tablets are dead by Skadet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      [tablets don't have] any real advantages when it comes to getting work done than a regular Netbook or Laptop.

      Getting Work Done isn't the primary use of computers for a very large slice of the market. This is where you and many others fundamentally misunderstand the tablet space. Traditionally the market problem is that full computers are too much machine for the everyday user -- they want to check their Facebook, emails, read the news, and catch up on that show they missed last night on ABC. The iPad does all these things adroitly. Mom knows to touch the little "ABC" icon and then touch her favorite show. Actually, screw mom, I know that too, and I don't have to futz with Silverlight or Flash or Growl notifications popping up or emails dinging in the middle of a show.

      Open your mind. Not everyone uses a computer the way you do.

    3. Re:Tablets are dead by Skadet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      won't ever get you the full web

      The problem I have with all these technophiles decrying the iPad's lack of flash is this: are you not the same group that beats down any flash site? FFS, slashdot is the place that puts [PDF WARNING] next to links. If anyone was going to complain about the lack of flash, this is the absolute last group of people I would have expected.

      I could get a $500 laptop with a dual-core x86 CPU, run just about every OS under the sun, full multitasking, cheap 'apps', full peripheral support, replaceable battery, etc.

      As I said in reply to the OP, the problem is that full PCs are simply too much machine for what many people want to do (watch a show, check facebook, etc). A $99 iPad would be a true game-changer, and I think something along those lines is the next step. At this price point, people (like you) get confused because of the price and say (as you did), 'but... look at the sweet box I could buy for $500, I don't get it!' The point is that my mom and my wife and many like them don't care in the least if they have a sweet box. They care if they can "like" timmy's facebook status.

      I use my netbook or laptop while sitting on the sofa all the time, if I want to really "consume media" I fire up my HTPC and put on a movie. If I want to play a game I fire up my 360 or modified Wii.

      Your geek factor (Look at me! HTPC! Check me out! Modded Wii!) is what's keeping you from seeing this market. Not everyone uses computers the way you do, and not everyone derives the same satisfaction from setting up their own rad HTPC setup. My wife is perfectly content to watch DVDs, out of a box, on her laptop. I thought that was madness when I first saw it. Fact is, people compute in different ways.

    4. Re:Tablets are dead by jamie(really) · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I was ill for two days this week. I grabbed my iPad and watched some new shows that I've not had time to check out. ABC's iPad app let me watch Castle and V in 720p. Then I watched some movies on Netflix. I also bought the latest book from Steven Erikson using iBooks.

      It wasn't too heavy.
      It has a bigger screen than my netbook, and its stunning.
      It didn't get too hot like my netbook does when watching movies. I *hate* frying my balls.
      The wife's netbook can't watch 720p movies at all.
      I didn't have to have it plugged in, so I could move it about easily while I tried to get comfortable. Charged it overnight.
      When I was done puking, I wiped it clean with disinfectant.

      I'm not sick all the time, of course. The wife uses it and her iPhone. Her netbook hasn't been touched for months. The iPad is "just" a more usable iPhone for her. Its set up with her email, not mine (and she did it herself - amazing what she can do when I'm not around). I will be buying two more for our children.

    5. Re:Tablets are dead by Skadet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The "average consumer" also wants to play flash based games. Especially their younger children which seem to be drawn to those sort of things. And they don't care if it's flash or not, just if it works or not.

      I hear you, although I think your first statement contradicts your last statement a little bit. I'd rephrase it, "the average consumer wants to play simple games." The app store has boatloads of popcap-like games, many of them free.

      True that they may not be able to play $THIS_SPECIFIC_GAME, no doubt. Although I've been thinking about how flash games would even translate to a touch-based interface. Would you have to just display a soft keyboard? It wouldn't be using the device's human interface well if it did. What about hover states? This is all very confusing.

    6. Re:Tablets are dead by arb+phd+slp · · Score: 4, Funny

      Once upon a time, pet rocks sold hugely.

      More sales does not equate to a more useful product.

      More useful than what? It's more useful than a Microsoft Courier or a Palm Folio.

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    7. Re:Tablets are dead by ShogunTux · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah. Tablets are dead. Long live suppositories!

    8. Re:Tablets are dead by DdJ · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually there are two senses in which it can view 720p video. I'm sure the person you're responding to meant the first.

      First, the H.264 playback engine caps out at 720p. Now, almost all playback engines cap out at some level. If you load 720p video files on a first generation iPod Touch, they won't play at all -- it's more than the device can handle. So don't say "of course it can play back a 720p file, every device can play back a 1080p file and just downscale it, that's no big deal". Because that isn't true.

      (And yes, there's an advantage to this, if the video doesn't have much going on on the side edges. You can "zoom in" to the video, making it go full screen with the edges clipped, and with a 720p data file you'll get more detail doing this. This could be the case for example if you've got a HD render of "The Philadelphia Story" with Grant/Hepburn, as it was actually filmed in 4:3, not 16:9.)

      But, second, the iPad has video-out capabilities. I picked up the "dock port to VGA" adapter for mine. When I hook it up to the HDTV in my living room, and run a little program I wrote that queries the OS for a list of attached screens and their display characteristics, know what? I have full access to full 720p resolution out that display port. So an iPad tucked behind an HDTV that it's connected to can indeed drive a full genuine 720p display.

      (But I'm sure that's not what the person you were responding to meant.)

    9. Re:Tablets are dead by timholman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The era of the geek driving computer development is dead: people want easy to use features, and Apple is giving it to them.

      And beyond that, Apple is building a computing platform that is completely appropriate for 95% of users out there.

      I've been observing with great amusement the geek outrage over Apple's closed, locked-down ecosystem, starting with the iPod and iPhone, and culminating with the iPad, and I say: more power to Apple .

      To paraphrase Spider-man: "With great computing power comes great computing responsibility." Manufacturers have placed general-purpose computers into the hands of the masses, and what have we gotten in return? Mountains of spam, malware galore, and tens of millions of zombie boxes. A general-purpose programmable device has proven, overall, a disaster for the Internet. In the hands of typical non-technical users, they are just begging to be exploited, and that's exactly what happens to them.

      Steve Jobs has it exactly right. The overwhelming majority of people don't need a computer with a general purpose operating system. They need an iPad or something like it - an appliance that meets the needs of 95% of users, and is locked down so tightly that it is very hard to exploit via user stupidity.

      Personally, I don't want an iPad. I don't need an iPad, because I'm capable of managing a general-purpose computer. But the appeal of the iPad to the average consumer is blatantly obvious. Apple is going to sell a lot of iPads.

    10. Re:Tablets are dead by Dan+East · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A $99 iPad would be a true game-changer, and I think something along those lines is the next step.

      I'm not an Apple historian, and this is an actual question, but has Apple ever sold a product at anything but a premium price? Any Apple product I can think over the last decade has cost far more than the median price of equivalent hardware by Apple's competitors.

      iPod Touches aren't $99, and they've been on the market for a number of years. Plus, if the iPad was $99, what would an iPod Touch sell for? $69? Never, ever, ever going to happen. I could see the iPad maybe selling for $399 eventually, but I would be very surprised if it ever sold for less.

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    11. Re:Tablets are dead by SashaMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Kudos to timholman and the mods. This post is a great (though perhaps rare) example of what I love about slashdot - a post that actually got me to change my opinion.

      While I've been bemoaning the locked down nature of where Apple is going, I think for the majority of internet users this is exactly what they need.

    12. Re:Tablets are dead by cgenman · · Score: 5, Funny

      The era of the geek driving computer development is dead: people want easy to use features, and Apple is giving it to them. The era of clock speed, bus speed and VRAM capacity being important for selling computers is over as well.

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    13. Re:Tablets are dead by mgblst · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem I have with all these technophiles decrying the iPad's lack of flash is this: are you not the same group that beats down any flash site?

      Damn, when are you morons going to realise, THERE IS MORE THAN ONE PERSON ON THIS SITE. And we all have different opinions. Look at yourself, you clearly have a different opinion to the person you are responding to.

      Why do you feel the need to group all these technophiles with one brush stroke. Most of use here to hate flash. So shut the fuck up, and wake up.

      Personally, I think the iPad is a great idea, and can't wait to get one, but also understand why some people don't like the direction that we are heading.

    14. Re:Tablets are dead by timholman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The only difference is that when the same thing happens to the iPad -- and it has happened to iPhones -- you'll have a proprietary monoculture that's wirelessly connected, even over a cell network (so always, always on), and it will be the sort of thing that is that much more difficult for us geeks to deal with. A desktop computer, if something goes wrong, you may not be able to fix it, but we can. Something goes wrong with your iPad, you can either jailbreak it or take it to Apple.

      Now, you can get most of the supposed advantages you're talking about with Android. A centralized app store, a pretty UI, but the sanctioned ability to get apps through other means if you really want it. Keep in mind that the average user isn't likely to do that, any more than they're likely to jailbreak their iWhatever, but I'd much rather have the option than not.

      So why does the closed Apple ecosystem bother you when you freely admit that the Android ecosystem is a viable alternative to those who wish to hack their handheld devices? Apple is not forcing Android out of the market - on the contrary, Android is doing very nicely. But that Apple monoculture has clearly been a boon to developers and consumers alike, far more so than Android to date.

      If Apple was the only choice for smartphones, I'd be unhappy too. But Apple is only one player of many in that market. How does Joe Average's choice of the Apple monoculture diminish Android in any way?

      The irony is that we've had just such a geek paradise for most of a decade -- any popular Linux distro is going to have a large repository of free apps, all of which have gone through some sort of quality control, and are delivered securely. Users can install third-party apps, but it's a channel that geeks avoid and ordinary users won't necessarily understand.

      And yet the iPad will probably sell more units in the first year than all the installed Linux desktop distros in the U.S. It's not just the concept, it's the implementation. Apple takes ideas that have been tried by others, and makes them mainstream and popular. I have nothing against Linux (I use it myself for part of my work), but even at its best you can't begin to compare it with Apple's ease of use.

      But to the extent that they "need" a computer, they need certain things which tend to work well on a general-purpose computer, with a real, actual keyboard.

      Like what? Games? Books? Music? Movies? Occasional word processing? Web surfing? You've got all of that in spades with the iPad, plus a real, actual external keyboard if you want one.

      What "certain things" do 95% of consumers need that an appliance like the iPad won't satisfy? And please don't list programming as one of them! Like I said: 95% of consumers.

      Here's where I'm confused: The appliance thing was tried, extensively, in the late 90's. Remember WebTV?

      Why do you think this will be any better?

      Because like so many markets that Apple has chosen to enter, they have figured out how to do it right. Apple did not create the MP3 player, the smartphone, or the appliance computer. But their genius is in figuring out how to make them reliable and easy to use. We saw it with the iPod and iPhone, and now we're seeing it with the iPad.

      What I find puzzling is that you seem to be happy about this.

      And what I find puzzling is why you (and so many others) are unhappy about it. How does the existence of the iPhone and iPad diminish the utility of Android or Linux in any way, shape, or form? We've still got our general-purpose computers, and Apple's success hasn't hurt them in the slightest. Nothing has been taken away from you. I am no more unhappy with Apple for creating a closed information appliance than I am with my TV manufacturer for creating a TV that is equally "closed". I can buy a consumer TV, or I can hack together my own MythTV box. How does one choice diminish the other?

  3. Where Is sopssa? Where is He? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Where's sopssa when you need him!? I hope that Courier touting MIcrosoft shill is reading this. He's going to need more than a hug after this news.

    Hold on, I think I hear someone backpedaling.

  4. Announce? by linumax · · Score: 4, Informative

    AFAIK, Microsoft never really announced anything. They even went as far as calling it a rumor and at best some "sources" called it an incubation project.

    Announced product examples are Windows Phone 7 and Natal.

  5. Re:It is not uncommon of MS to announce... by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Plus, the time wasn't right. The entire Microsoft line of failed products happened not always because Microsoft's version was worse, but because it came across as Microsoft copying the industry leader. Lets see here:

    The Zune looked like a copy of the iPod. The Zune HD looked like a copy of the iPod Touch. Bing/Live Search all seemed to be copies of Google. Etc.

    Microsoft's products that have been successful have been those ahead of their competitors. Look at the 360 which got a few months head start on Nintendo/Sony and has been very successful (of course a lot of this could be due to the lack of decent games for the Wii and the astronomical price of PS3 hardware for the longest time...).

    Releasing Courier would seem like a copy of the iPad, something that Microsoft can't pump money into because it will be dead on release.

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  6. Re:Touted? by Amarantine · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They've had tablet support since Windows 3.11.

    Yeah, and look how many Windows tablets you've seen in the wild since then.

    I have only seen one with my own eyes. In use by a Microsoft partner account manager, so it kinda figures.

  7. Crazy conspiracy theory by walterbyrd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Msft got HP to buy Palm so that HTC, or Google, could not buy Palm. Now, to repay HP for buying Palm, msft drops msft's own "iPad killer" thus eliminating a huge competitor for HP.

    Msft and Apple, hate and fear Android - they want to patent troll Android out of existance. HP has no special love for Android, because Android would not differentiate HP enough from the other Android tablet, or phone, sellers.

    HP is a very close partner with msft, with both PCs and phones. If either HTC, or google, bought Palm, they would be able to use Palm's arsenal of patents to counter-sue msft and/or apple.

    Pure speculation on my part, but it is quite a coincidence that the following all happened at the same time:

    Apple sues HTC
    Msft and HTC form a special patent deal
    HP buys Palm
    Msft discontinues Courier

    1. Re:Crazy conspiracy theory by node+3 · · Score: 5, Funny

      The awesome thing about how Slashdot moderation works is your insane theory should make it to +5 in no time.

      Excuse me while I grab some popcorn, this is like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

  8. "testing"? Is that what they are calling it now? by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    its all part of market testing.

    And if the "testing" happens to kill a competitors product launch while people wait for the Microsoft product, well that was just an accident!

    Happily there are very few product announcements from Microsoft people are willing to wait for these days it was apparent to pretty much anyone Courier wasn't going anywhere at slow pace of even delivering concept videos...

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  9. what did Microsoft actually do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You have exactly one VP saying that the product was real, but was shitcanned. Besides that, there's some leaked computer generated videos and pictures of an alleged product.

    You're mourning the fact that a puff of vapor got carried off by the breeze. That's not awesome, that's standard operating procedure for Redmond; unless by awesome you mean "marketing bullshit that never has to withstand real world use and criticism," in which case, spot on.

  10. ov Vaporware by v1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Vaporware is the ultimate refining of the process of "Overpromise, Underdeliver".

    In other words, when you promise everything, and deliver nothing.

    Though the basic premise of overpromise/underdeliver has always a basic theme in I.T in general. You're making promises you know you can't deliver, to an audience that is in no position of expertise to question what you say, and in their dependent state, has to believe you, and has no choice but to accept whatever you happen to actually deliver. (a process also known more commonly as "I.T. Consultant")

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  11. Explanations by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At the moment. But will Apple really be able to carry the momentum once people start realizing theres nothing really -great- about the iPad?

    They would not be selling hugely if there were not things people found great about them NOW. Marketing can only get you so far, and marketing only helps Apple much because people have grown to trust Apple more than other companies.

    But signs point to iPad sales climbing. They just got a big boost from Oprah (formerly champion of the Kindle), they also have had to move back international release dates. And at this point, people thinking about buying one can try them out in Apple Stores and figure out if they are great or not.

    With the iPad, what benefit are you getting for the cost?

    An excellent screen (which really matters if you care about eye strain) over any normal screen for a device in that price range.

    Tens of thousands and soon hundreds of thousands of applications dedicated to operation by touch, and used in that form factor. Yes you can buy a netbook but few applications work well in the screen sizes most netbooks support. This is such a massive benefit I can't believe it is constantly overlooked.

    Compact size for the battery life - sure some netbooks also have good battery life, but they are a lot larger.

    A world of peripherals that all work via the dock connector.

    A fantastic data plan ($15/250MB/month or $30/month unlimited, no contract).

    And let me repeat the thing about many, many developers working hard to write software that works really, really well on the device vs. running software that was built for a desktop and "works OK" on a netbook.

    On a side note, you and so many other people are so mistaken about the iPad being only for consumption, or even consumption focused... That is not the end game.

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  12. Re:What the iPad should've been? by dakameleon · · Score: 4, Informative

    (Multi-)Touch, on the other hand, is very limited in terms of use in anything creative.

    Buh? Heard of Brushes? Used for, y'know, a New Yorker cover or two?

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  13. Pogo sylus pretty good by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yeah, Pogo Stylus

    I ordered several different styluses to test them all out, and the Pogo was much nicer than the others - a few others have rubbery tips that have too much resistance moving across the screen to move easily. The Pogo has a kind of sponge-like material that coasts across a screen much more easily.

    I wanted to confirm that was a good choice.

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  14. Re:Touted? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The problem for Microsoft and tablet support is that, while in strict engineering terms, tablet support is "something you add"(ie. wacom drivers, handwriting/ink support, some touch gestures, a demo app or two), in terms of design, UI, and pleasantness of user experience, tablet support is all about what you remove. It's like the old notion of "burning the boats" to inspire your army.

    As long as MS approaches tablet support as just a few optional features, that can be added as a superset of their primary OS, they may well be technically competent(I've heard that their handwriting recognition is actually pretty good, for instance); but they will, outside of tech-demo-ware and highly specific custom applications, never escape the massive gravitational pull of the gigantic install base of the touchless OS. At worst, their superset offering will be completely ignored. At best, it will find a few niches, and a reasonably broad adoption in the form of "pen=mouse" ports of existing applications. Since these applications won't be all that comfortable, manufacturers will back off from bold all-tablet designs, and just start churning out "convertibles", which are just laptops with a wobbly single hinge and a screen that looks like crap because of the digitizer layer.

    This is one of MS's major strength/weakness combinations. They have the resources(and some genuinely good people) to relentlessly add interlocking feature-set after interlocking feature-set to their products. However, because of their enterprise orientation, they are not good at the exotic, or the starkly cut down. Any innovation has to be capable of being tacked on to the gigantic interlocking feature mass. Any cut-down subset has to alienate as few 3rd parties and legacy customers as possible, and integrate with the feature mass as much as possible. On the plus side, this means that their stuff makes it relatively easy(if not wise) to build a towering enterprise stack, and then have it supported for years and years. On the minus side, it pretty much stomps on innovation, even where technologically possible.

  15. got to love the fud by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First it is "the iPad won't sell".

    Then when it is selling, the claim is "it ain't running out" when figures show Apple just ordered more then at previous introductions.

    then when it sells half a million, it won't last...

    Oh and lack of flash will kill it despite more and more sites ditching it.

    Face it, Jobs has done it again. Move on and start predicting his fall for the next gadget.

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  16. Re:Crap. by Spatial · · Score: 5, Funny

    and your surprised?

    It's just fine, thanks for asking. :)

  17. Re:Crap. by clarkn0va · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's just fine, thanks for asking. :)

    Lucky. I could never get the rc scripts to run right, and if you have to run it manually after every restart, well, then it's not really a surprise daemon at all, is it?

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