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Apple To Shut Down Lala On May 31

dirk and a large number of other distressed readers let us know that Apple is shuttering Lala, the music service they bought last December, on May 31. "Apple will transfer any remaining money in a user's account to iTunes, and will credit users (via iTunes) for any web songs that were purchased. It's a real shame, as Lala was a much better music service, offering songs in straight MP3 format. Its web service was innovative and ahead of its time. And it was one of the few places that would let you listen to an entire song to sample it (after one complete listen, you then could only hear a 30-second sample)." Reader Dhandforth adds: "10-cent favorites will now cost 9.9x more. What's worse, a community of music fans (followers and followees) will disappear on May 31. Evil. Sigh."

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  1. While I personally didn't use the service... by Pojut · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...I know people who did, and none of them are happy about this. I've herad nothing but good things about Lala, it's a shame that it will be going away :/

    1. Re:While I personally didn't use the service... by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, it's the licensing. You have to negotiate licensing with every music publisher you carry. I'd imagine that the people responsible for Lala don't want to do that because it sounds like hell and they've already cashed out.

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    2. Re:While I personally didn't use the service... by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They've successfully done it once, though. Seems like an easy way to generate that cash AGAIN when someone else comes along to buy them up, since they won't be competing with their predecessor.

      You can bet that Apple added a no-comptete clause to the contract; in return for Apple's cash, the Lala crew agrees not to create a competing service for x number of years. Standard Operating Procedure in those situations.

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    3. Re:While I personally didn't use the service... by sbeckstead · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh but it is. The essence of competition is eliminating competitors. Successfully competing means you win. How do we not understand this. Everybody seems to think that in order to have a product you must have competition, when in fact the perfect business model flourishes on no competition.

    4. Re:While I personally didn't use the service... by nacturation · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That doesn't seem very conducive to a competitive market. :(

      Tell that to the Lala owners who, rather than make their money selling songs to individuals at 50 cents a pop, chose to make their money selling in one giant transaction to their competitor, Apple. Good for them.

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  2. No duh? by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because anyone actually thought that Apple was going to keep running two competing music stores?

  3. 3 E's by Slash.Poop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Embrace
    Extend
    Extinguish

    1. Re:3 E's by gclef · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And here Apple has shown once again that they're more efficient than Microsoft: they skipped step 2 entirely.

    2. Re:3 E's by icebraining · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Then why has Apple spend $80 million to buy it just so it could kill it three months later?

  4. You should get a refund by loufoque · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You should get a refund of your money, not have it be transferred to iTunes.
    What you agreed to pay for was Lala's service, not iTunes'.

  5. Evil? by whisper_jeff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Reader Dhandforth adds: "10 cent favorites will now cost 9.9x more. What's worse, a community of music fans (followers and followees) will disappear on May 31. Evil. Sigh."

    Evil? Evil?

    You keep using that word but I don't think you know what it means.

  6. Re:Your criteria are lacking. by Delusion_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    MP3 can be encoded at levels which achieve transparency - just like any other modern audio codec. While I'm not really up on what encoder and bitrates Lala used for its MP3 offerings, the notion that your music just sounds better than my mp3 library assumes that I am encoding MP3s at below-transparency levels, and that you are encoding your AAC, Ogg, or whatever lossy format at transparency levels, or that you are using a lossless codec and that somehow transparency "isn't enough".

    This is incorrect, sir. MP3 as a format choice isn't the sole (or even main) criteria for most people who use it. MP3 is able to achieve transparency, its file sizes are reasonable (LAME encoding at v0 comes to mind), it's compatible with any hardware or software that one will encounter in the real world, and if your friend asks you for a copy of that latest Autechre album, you don't have to pontificate about how your chosen encoding format is better than their chosen encoding format, despite the fact that their software may not support it and their factory-included car CD/MP3 player most certainly won't. A 3% file size decrease with, say, Ogg, simply isn't compelling when it means putting up with the fact that a lot of hardware doesn't support it.

    I'm here for the music. Give me transparency, and give me ubiquity. Your claim that you can achieve a better sound at "x" bitrate is not compelling when the file size of MP3 is not obscene, and when both formats can achieve transparency at a reasonable bitrate. Not having to pontificate about audio formats that hardly anyone actually uses? Hell, that's just icing on the cake.

  7. Re:Straight MP3? by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Insightful

    but for all practical purposes is useless outside of the iTMS walled garden.

    What are you talking about? How is it useless? It plays on pretty much every modern software and hardware music player made. It plays on the frickin' Zune. Zen, Archos, Sansa, Sony, even the PSP. Songbird, Mplayer, WMP, and everything else I can think of.

    Seriously, back in the day before anyone but Apple used it, it was a valid argument to say you wanted to use the more compatible .mp3 instead of the more efficient .mp4, but now I wonder what you're using that it isn't compatible with.

  8. Re:Steve jobs as borg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No NO NO,
    The Steve Job Icon needs to be the man on the big screen from the 1984 video.

  9. Re:You Have No Clue About Lala, Do You? by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    iTunes is not in and of itself profitable.

    You're a fool. They're celebrating billions of iTunes song sales and you're telling me that they're taking a hit on each of them? Is that why The New York Times calls it a "profit machine"? Is that why Billboard estimates they made a half billion in profit from song sales one year? The most conservative estimate I can find puts them closer to a 10% profit margin on song sales which means that their billions in revenues equates to hundreds of millions of dollars.

    I tell you what, though. I'm such a nice guy, I'll take the iTunes Media Service off Steve Job's hands and keep supporting only his iPods. I'll start accepting the "loss" and "risk" you seem to associate it with.

    There's no way that Lala could have been profitable.

    Really? The pricing structure I laid out for you didn't look like it could possibly net some profit?

    Here, let me help you out with what actually happened. Jobs saw Lala make some innovations like 10 cents to stream a song as much as you like. He got a bunch of consultants to analyze what would happen if iTMS started doing that. And they said that he would still make money but it wouldn't be the drastically high amount he makes because those streamers would opt for that instead of buying the full price song. So he had a choice. Take some undetermined loss by meeting Lala's functionality and compete with them ... or drop $80 million and burn Lala to the ground. I think he made the right choice for his company and the wrong choice for consumers and actual competitive capitalism. Can't blame him but you're a fool if you think he's losing cash on iTMS. I'm not even a businessman and this is painfully obvious to me.

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  10. Re:Evil?'There Is No Such Thing as Absolute Evil' by nacturation · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of course, I had to google that. Here's the full interview:

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,591943,00.html

    An extraordinarily interesting interview, to say the least. Well worth a full read.

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