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Australian Gov't Claims Internet Filter Legislation Still In Play

Dracophile writes "Contrary to yesterday's article about The Australian's report that the Australian government had put on the back burner plans to introduce Internet filter legislation before the next election, The Sydney Morning Herald reports that the government rejected claims that it had abandoned such plans, and that 'a spokeswoman for Communications Minister Stephen Conroy said the government remained committed to the policy.' Unless the Australian Labor Party abandons the plan altogether, will the timing make any difference to voters?"

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  1. I'm a voter... by dwarfsoft · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm a voter and it makes all the difference to me, so to answer your question... yes.

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    1. Re:I'm a voter... by DiamondGeezer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The answer is that Labour are too scared of campaigning with the measure on their manifesto that they're kicking it into the light rough and will pick it back up just as soon as the election is over.

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    2. Re:I'm a voter... by stainlesssteelpat · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I normally vote labour, unless this gets scrapped by labour they won't get my vote. I'll probably move to the US with my partner if this ever comes in over here. Add to that the reluctance for the Australian government, liberal and labour, to adopt a bill of rights or constitution and it looks like my home is becoming somewhere I don't want to call home or raise my family.

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    3. Re:I'm a voter... by dwarfsoft · · Score: 3, Informative

      We do have a constitution. The bill of rights, however, is not in existence. We don't have anything similar to what the US has though. Probably due to having a completely different form of democracy.

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  2. Voting. by Merls+the+Sneaky · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Election soon make your choice giant douche or turd sandwich. Whoever wins we get censorship like china mark my words.

    1. Re:Voting. by biryokumaru · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ha! Now you know how us Americans feel about elections! Take that!

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    2. Re:Voting. by timmarhy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ok i've marked your words. if liberals win, we won't have a national filter. the last liberal government had a filtering program - free software to install on your pc. seems pretty fair and cheap to me.

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    3. Re:Voting. by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or don't even drop the ballot paper in. Once they cross your name off you are good to go.

    4. Re:Voting. by Merls+the+Sneaky · · Score: 2, Informative

      Tony Abbot on Q&A only talked about technical issues. He's all for it.

    5. Re:Voting. by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Liberals where only waiting for Narus like packet tech to become cheaper for average isps.
      Now they can see it can be done they will keep it.
      Try the http://www.democrats.org.au/campaigns/no_internet_censorship/
      or
      http://greensmps.org.au/content/media-release/greens-tell-labor-abandon-net-filter-and-start-again
      Both of the big parties in Australian have been infected by faith based groups with long term plans.

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    6. Re:Voting. by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

      That program is still available today and is used on government owned computers and by 5% of private connections. However originally the Liberals had a madatory filter in their own legislation and Labor knocked it back in the senate. Now for purely political reasons the roles have reversed.

      Mark my words; There will never be a mandatory filter.

      This Machevelian shit has been going on for at least a decade, the two major parties take turns at being good cop / bad cop. Neither of them have any intention of making a madatory filter happen they simply go through the motions of a trial in order to buy the votes of certain nooby independent senatators who have no idea they are being scammed.

      In other words the trials are Labor's payment for the senate votes of Fielding and Xenophon who both had a mandatory filter as part of their platform and are both needed by Labor to push legislation through the senate (along with the greens). In the Howard government the senate numbers were reversed so the Liberals were the ones buying senate votes with a promise to trial a mandatory filter which they did and like Labor's current trial it went on forever with no firm conclusion.

      Why do you think the Liberals never make a big deal out of their (current) opposition to it in the press?

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    7. Re:Voting. by deniable · · Score: 3, Insightful

      All elections are rigged, no matter what you do a politician always wins.

  3. Re:What do you expect from a union hack? by dwarfsoft · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I didn't know about the Wikileaks thing, so I went looking and read this. Thanks for that. This is getting worse every time I hear about the filter. I hope that one of the parties goes against this, otherwise I will have to vote greens... the only people opposing this travesty.

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  4. The other great moral issue of our time. by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The government does need some wins before the election. Being tough on enemies of the state such as people smugglers and Internet predators may appeal to conservative voters who might otherwise switch back to the coalition.

    So don't expect this to necessarily be swept under the carpet as the govt don't want to give Tony Abbott any further ammunition on backflips.

  5. The filter must not go ahead! by Mick+R · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Trying to remove child and violent porn is a good thing, but this filter will give the government unchallenged power to control what Australians read and hear online. It will allow them to silence critics and squash any kind of dissension and debate. Once in place ANY party, whoever is in power, will be able to control far too much information. If it goes ahead there is no IF it will be abused, only a matter of WHEN.

    1. Re:The filter must not go ahead! by flyingfsck · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is no 'when' either. It will be abused right from the get go.

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    2. Re:The filter must not go ahead! by misexistentialist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Trying to remove child and violent porn is a good thing

      Right there is where the problem starts.

  6. Re:I'm a voter and... by adona1 · · Score: 2, Informative

    No, no they didn't. They stated they were supporting an opt-in filter. This was in all their media releases. If they slipped in a mention of it being mandatory prior to the election, it was either (deliberately) under the radar or they think if they repeat it often enough we'll all believe it.

    Pro-tip - we don't.

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  7. Re:What do you expect from a union hack? by Sabriel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm not at all sure the greens won't sell us out for environmental causes - but given both major parties want this "so stupid it's indistinguishable from evil" filter, and labour is already selling us out to the fundies while the liberals seem to be running around with their heads alternately chopped off or buried in the sand... I'm thinking it's one of those situations where we're better off with the devil we don't know.

  8. Weasel Politics by Usekh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's a clever bit of politics. If they delay until after the election then they can claim they have a mandate for it. And fuck knows, only the most sociopathic would elect the mad monk so they will get in.

  9. Dear Labor Party by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Scrap the filter policy and quite a number of us will vote for you again.

    I really don't want the Liberal Party back in power.

  10. Re:for those about to rock by neonmonk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Both parties support it. You don't think that raving fascist fundamentalist Catholic Tony Abbot doesn't want a repressive filter in place? Then you're more deluded than they are.

  11. no vote for any government that supports censorshi by jism · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No vote for any government that supports censorship - whether they put it on the back burner or not. This just shows how dim and gullible they think the Australian public are. Unfortunately they are correct. The majority of Australians have no idea what 'the thin end of the wedge' means, and will just let this lithping fool stick the fat end right up there. Basically they have already lost my vote by supporting this conroy rubbish for years now with as little discussion as possible, and regardless of all points of view against it. In fact I find it despicable that the Prime Minister will not even stand up and support this censorship policy openly. He doesn't want to be tarred with the brush and instead just tacitly supports conroy. At this stage, the only way for them to win my vote back is by promising to completely scrap this censorship and to also denounce the attorney general M Atkinson for his deplorable efforts to restrict free speech. No doubt (in my opinion) he was just doing their dirty work anyway. So, no, the timing doesn't matter at all.

  12. Re:What do you expect from a union hack? by Joakal · · Score: 2, Informative

    Why the hell would you elect someone you don't know? Did you know there's 21 federal parties such as the Liberal Democratic party? Non-custodial parents party? Here's a list of Political parties in Australia or officially from your independent electoral site: Current register of Federal parties

    Our system is far better than USA with Preferential voting and Proportional representation. I'll give a quick example:

    • Awesome party: 25% votes
    • Excitement party: 35% votes
    • Plain party: 40% votes

    Guess who wins with USA's system? Plain party. With Australia's system, and Awesome party transfers 25% to Excitement party, Excitement party gets elected at 60%. A really good example in real life is 2007 Federal Election: South Australia

    The independent electoral system works here. There's information provided if you simply google their websites. The media seems to not wish to report minor parties (probably because a few of them seem quiet). Voting for some unknown because you think you have no idea is just bloody stupid.

    There's also a website to promoting awareness of other parties (Disclaimer: My website). There is:

    • Federal parties list
    • Issues Want to know party positions of MySchool.edu.au? It's there.
    • Safe Seat One of the political articles.
    • About [ShockSeat] I'm tackling the ridiculous apathy and there's a youth study that shows non-normative intentions are on the rise. Non-normative means non-peaceful protests.

    I'm currently having trouble trying to get information from federal parties themselves. If you have any influence, ask them to respond to the contacts I have sent out. It may be because I have no power, or the like. I have only received one refused response so far. It would be greatly appreciated!

    I implore you, please make a valid formal vote to a party that almost if not fully represents you.

  13. Liberal broadband by anarche · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I find it interesting that everybody is up in arms over this filter, and ready to vote Liberal second last; yet the Liberal party is ready to scrap the NBN, setting Australia's broadband infrastructure back another 3 years...

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  14. Re:What do you expect from a union hack? by Merls+the+Sneaky · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Until Tony Abbot says so they will not get my vote.

  15. Re:too bad you didn't follow canadian democracy by dwarfsoft · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think the main reason they never wanted a bill of rights is that it would immediately come in to play to point out violations of Illegal Immigrants rights who have been unlawfully detained. By not having a bill of rights they can just ignore the problem.

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