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James Webb Telescope Passes Critical Tests

eldavojohn writes "The Hubble Telescope's successor reached a milestone today as it passed a critical design review. The James Webb Space Telescope was originally set to launch in 2013 but has run about $1B over budget and has been pushed back to a 2014 launch. Today's good news means that there shouldn't be further delays as the JWST has accomplished all science and engineering requirements for all mission-critical design functionality. Scientists, of course, think these delays and costs 'pale in comparison to the secrets of the universe the James Webb Space Telescope is expected to unlock.' These are exciting times for many realms of science, even if we're somewhat saddened by it being the loyal Hubble's twilight hours."

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  1. Re:Hubble II by ogre7299 · · Score: 4, Informative

    It is a pity more isn't put into projects like this - I personally feel that we've have learnt so much from Hubbble that it is, at least for the time being, the best option for space exploration. But what wil happen to Hubble? Surely it will retain some functionality into the future?

    They'll keep Hubble going as long as they can since its capabilities aren't going to be duplicated by any mission within the next decade. The weak link of the telescope seems to be the gyroscopes, which are used to point the telescope. They'll probably fail before the instruments have completely failed.

  2. It's not smooth sailing from here by jdhutchins · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The article states that the JWST passed the Mission Critical Design Review, which is a specific event, not just a "critical review". This review means that the entire spacecraft has been designed and analyzed. However, there are likely to be further delays as hardware is built and engineers realize it doesn't quite meet the expectations that the analysis set out for it.

  3. Re:Typical government failure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Holy crap, $1 *BILLION* dollars over budget? For the love of christ, now all you statist morons know why those of us with more than 2 brain cells to rub together flock to the flag of libertarianism. Private companies could have built and launched this telescope by now and probably would have been a billion UNDER budget. Instead, we give this work to incompetent government workers who wouldn't know a telescope from a hole in the ground. How pathetic. Another worthless government failure.

    Private companies are building it

  4. Space Battleship James Webb by listentoreason · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wise up, people. That's not a telescope, it's a wave motion gun. Just compare to its predecessor, Space Telescope Yamato - although the main weapon has been moved from a spinal mount to a giant deck emplacement, they're using the same hull layout and even an identical color scheme.

  5. Re:What's left? by Kjella · · Score: 2, Informative

    From WP: The JWST's primary scientific mission has four main components: to search for light from the first stars and galaxies which formed in the Universe after the Big Bang, to study the formation and evolution of galaxies, to understand the formation of stars and planetary systems, and to study planetary systems and the origins of life.

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  6. general question by cadience · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Do long multi-year projects typically take inflation into account for budget overrun analysis?

    1. Re:general question by Nyeerrmm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, when doing a budget for a large project you always use cost units such as FY2010 dollars.

  7. It's NOT a Hubble successor by the_other_chewey · · Score: 5, Informative

    JWST is not a successor to the Hubble Telescope in any sensible way except for the fact
    that they are both telescopes and both in space. JWST will look at infrared light between 600
    and 28 000 nanometers, mostly way outside of the visible spectrum where Hubble makes its pictures.
    We will learn a lot by those IR observations, that's for sure - but JWST does not replace Hubble, it
    supplements it.

    I really don't know how this "successor to Hubble" thing got started.

    1. Re:It's NOT a Hubble successor by TapeCutter · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hubble can also see a small portion of the infra-red spectrum. The Webb overlaps Hubble's and part of Spitzer's wavelength in the infra-red and fills a gap in the middle. The 42 Meter ground based E-ELT will be 15X more sensitive than Hubble in the visible spectrum.

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  8. ooooooh! It "passed" a "test" ! by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 2, Interesting

    BEfore we wet our pants in excitement, let's remember:

    * The Hubble passed a slew of design reviews too.
    * Even so, it went up with many, many flaws, including:
    * Electronics not shielded well enough to handle the South Atlantic Anomaly.
    * Gyroscopes not qualified for the temperature cycles and SAA.
    * Solar panels that oilcan buckle when going from sunlight to shade.
    * Solar panel mount that does not go through the center of mass of the scope, so oilcan buckling causes the whole thing to oscillate.
    * Unbalanced and uncushioned light cap that likewise shakes the whole thing when it's operated.

    Although the new scope will have been checked against that list of problems, without major overhaul of the management structure, it's likely the same thing will happen this time.

     

  9. Re:ooooooh! It "passed" a "test" ! by ogre7299 · · Score: 4, Informative

    BEfore we wet our pants in excitement, let's remember:

    * The Hubble passed a slew of design reviews too.
    * Even so, it went up with many, many flaws, including:
    * Electronics not shielded well enough to handle the South Atlantic Anomaly.
    * Gyroscopes not qualified for the temperature cycles and SAA.
    * Solar panels that oilcan buckle when going from sunlight to shade.
    * Solar panel mount that does not go through the center of mass of the scope, so oilcan buckling causes the whole thing to oscillate.
    * Unbalanced and uncushioned light cap that likewise shakes the whole thing when it's operated.

    Although the new scope will have been checked against that list of problems, without major overhaul of the management structure, it's likely the same thing will happen this time.

    Granted Hubble had many problems when it launched mainly because it was one of the first and most advanced general purpose observatories launched.

    We have had tons of experience building space telescopes over the past 30 years since Hubble was designed and Hubble is the only one that is serviceable by the shuttle.

    Just to list all the successful observatories since Hubble:

    Infrared Space Observatory (Europe)
    Chandra X-Ray observatory
    Spitzer Space Telescope
    WMAP
    FUSE
    Herschel Space Observatory (Mostly Europe)
    Planck (Europe)
    Suzaku X-Ray observatory (Japan)
    and probably a few others I forgot about.

    Bottom line, we know a lot about building space telescopes now, the doom and gloom you forecast is probably a bit over the top. Every project has problems, that's why we have brilliant engineers to find solutions.

  10. Re:Hubble II by vadim_t · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If that's the worst you could find, I'm not impressed.

    Do mice get osteoporosis in space? (link)

    If we want to put people into space, questions like the health effects of being there is rather important.

    And they test on mice, because you can kill it and examine all the bones in detail. I'm sure they do checks of the astronaut's bones as well, but you can do much more invasive examinations of a mouse.

    Do LANs work in space? (link)

    It seems to me this is a test of the IIS' specific LAN, not LANs in general. Things in space have to be specially designed, I'm pretty sure it's not a normal off the shelf switch what they have up there. And any lessons learned there will be probably useful for future things. I don't know if space telescopes use networking internally, but it seems like a possibility.

    How do people deal with the vibrations of a space launch? (link)

    Well, again, if you want to launch people into space, not killing them while getting there is important. This one seems to also test whether the UI will be readable in launch conditions. Which also seems kind of important, since they may need to interact with it during launch.

    The genetic changes in yeast in space. ()

    Just like with the mice, it's research of the long term consequences of being in space. Yeast reproduces quickly, too, which is good for genetics research.

    When you are up against such ground breaking breakthroughs as these, you can see how it is tough to scrape together the cash to study trivial things like the origin of the universe and whether there are other inhabitable planets in the galaxy.

    Ok, and how do you go inhabit a planet, if you don't know whether the astronauts will be able to deal with launch conditions, not die of cancer due to the radiation during the travel, and retain enough bone mass to avoid breaking their legs during the landing?

    I vaguely remember hearing that atronauts' health deteriorates significantly after staying on the IIS for a long time. If we're going to land on another planet we'd have to be sure that the astronauts will be in good enough condition to do whatever needs to be done once they land.

  11. Re:ooooooh! It "passed" a "test" ! by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Interesting

    People look at these scopes as single instruments but a lot of those scopes (including Hubble) are part of NASA's Great Observatories project which aims to cover as much of the EM spectrum as posible. IMHO it has to be the most underrated scientific project on the planet.

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  12. Timely article by Leebert · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My last day at Goddard Space Flight Center was yesterday. (almost 10 years!) I finally got around to getting a friend to give me a tour of the Spacecraft Systems Design and Integration Facility, where I got to see JWST parts in the clean room. (heh, 20 minutes of gowning procedures for a 10 minute trip into the clean room.) Very, very cool. Gonna miss that place.

    I'm pretty sure I'm going to follow JWST a lot more heavily now, too many friends are involved in it to ignore it as I have been.

    (Sadly, for what were apparently ITAR reasons I couldn't get pictures.)

    1. Re:Timely article by Shag · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd love to see JWST. I used to work in astronomy at one of the universities involved in developing the CCD sensors for NIRCam and was around the prototype camera they built with the first few chips off Rockwell's fab, for testing on the terrestrial telescope I operated, but it's just not the same as seeing something that's going into space.

      (Incidentally, that prototype camera was built around 2003ish. They wanted to be sure the chips worked well before launching.)

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  13. Re:from the team that brought you the Hubble? by vtcodger · · Score: 2, Informative

    James Webb = NASA bureaucrat. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_E._Webb

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