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MMORPG Ryzom Released Under AGPL
acemtp writes "Breakthrough for Free Software gaming. Ryzom announces full release of source code and artwork, and a partnership with the Free Software Foundation to host a repository of the game's artistic assets."
Coming soon to the web: the first MMO with more developers than players!
I finally heard about this game. Was it a success?
After years of limbo and changing hands, with initial attempts by an open source community to raise money in order to BUY Ryzom, it's about time it went open. It's been in the eyes of open source after the original developers announced they were selling it. I once payed to play it but since development, and player base, was essentially dead there was no incentive to play. Now, maybe, it might gain something like a new life.
Awesome.
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I tried Ryzom about a month ago. It was not something I would call a fun game to play.
Hopefully some of the really creative developers out there can use this code as a base for creating some really fun games.
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You mean like gcc, bash, make, etc? ;-)
And the FSF's position seems like some strange ideology... until you actually get burned in the proprietary world. Then a lot of what they're saying starts to make a lot of very practical sense, in a very real world way, very quickly.
In Soviet MMORPG, ideology frees you!
I can't wait to be a level 80 GNU/Linux Zealot with the +3 ability to explain why Ubuntu is basically the same as Windows because it bundles £apitali$t non-free software.
The Stallman Wizard casts Halitosis +1! He is unstoppable.
I think this is great, if only from an academic standpoint. I don't see someone creating an FOSS WoW entry level game here with it, but I do see this being a big boon to developers looking at the code to learn how to code something like this. It could actually spawn a lot of specialized mini-mmo's too.
Kudos to whoever was involved in making this happen.
This is a really good news. For what I remember, the whole 3D part / textures of Ryzom is of really high quality. This will be a huge boost for many independent developers who can't access quality 3D models easily.
Now, just have to fire up my install of OGRE3D, and check if I can load those models in it :)
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Isn't that actually Second Life?
Can please tell me where in the AGPL this "implicit right" is derived. Because I read it and I think you're full of shit.
If you have any commercial software in your office, you may rest assured that the same terms appear in license agreements you're already bound to.
The time to complain about this was about 30 years ago.
Is there an actual game anywhere in there? I don't see one...
Or is it like a giant tech demo with nice graphics... but nothing to actually PLAY or DO... Unless you want to be a dev...
Yay! parts you could maybe use to make something?
You need to cite your FUD. I may not have a law degree, but I do have a dictionary and a copy of the AGPL which do not support your statement, not to mention the only semi-relevant link Google dragged up was a proprietary software company that threatened to audit you if you used Affero-licensed software on the same system as theirs.
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You mean like gcc, bash, make, etc? ;-)
Not sure about bash and make, but gcc? Definitely. GCC specifically avoided sane layering to discourage code reuse. If you've ever wondered why Visual Studio is able to use the same parser code for syntax highlighting and error reporting in the IDE that it uses for compiling, but Free Software IDEs can't, you can thank the GCC team. They intentionally made it difficult, because the FSF thought someone might use the GCC code in a non-Free IDE if they made it modular.
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You mean like gcc, bash, make, etc? ;-)
Exactly.
You are full of shit, Ryzom is not even the company, it is the game. The publisher/developer is WinchGatePropertyLimited, who does not seem to be publicly traded.
I'd be more interested if they were releasing the sound assets. Open, free to use sound effects are hard to come by.
If anything this might lead to development of MMO middleware which might help to curb the enormous costs of developing one of these games.
That sounds like Metroid ... the Chozo combined magic and science, and all the enlightened races in the Prime series (Chozo, Luminoth, Bryonians) eventually learned to do so as well. The Bryonians were least fortunate, only one individual learning to do so after a war caused a separation between those interested only in technology and those only in magic.
These considerations, I find, are interesting. Too much fantasy is all magic, where people haven't thought to work in the raw physics of the world at all and instead rely entirely on bending physics with magic. Too much sci-fi is all science, where no special power is used-- only hand-waving about advanced quantum physics we can't yet understand.
Must be an interesting game.
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Yet, it is probably the most used compiler. Congratulations on missing the point.
What point? That people use subpar tools in freetard land? I think most people already know that.
http://media.ryzom.com/?query=ball&start=320&asset=96ad7f2ea3fb55b77c0e6ba849717ea7
Some things are just begging to be modded into TuxRacer... :-)
The front end of an MMO is relativly canned. DAOC\Warhammer uses Gamebryo (same front end framework that Civ4 uses.)
The real detail is in the backend which are largely proprietary.
The basics of an MMO, front end or back end are rather simplistic. The real dirty work is in the optimizations of data storage and hard core mathmatics in optimizing game logic for execution efficency.
Case point:
(In full disclousure I have been working on a MMO from a design standpoint for about 3 years)
One of the algorithms I have been working on\researching is a random city seeding algorithm (I am interested in procedural MMO world development) that takes either a pregenerated world map or proceedurally generated world map and scores the "desirability" of terrain. Using that heatmap village markers are deployed then a series of passes are made that merge nearby villages into town, towns into cities, and cities into capitals leaving behind unmerged locals (somewhat like evaporation).
I grabbed ArcEmu (a wow emulator) as well as EQ and a few other emulators and stitched a basic randomly generated map in there to test out the algorithm.
Now based on how the two engines worked my map either took up 6mb of ram or 12 mb of ram.
The algorithm itself was brute force. A math geek friend of mine rewrote it from a mathmatical point of view and reduced the map generation time from about 4 hours to 2 1/4th hours. Not bad.
With a full commerical release it allows people to view the strengths and weakness of a particular implementation and see what optimzations can be made.
CCP right now with Eve Online has one of the most exotic database architectures I've seen to date, I can only imagine the code behind it. Sharding is easy, 1 concurrent world... mind boggling the data reduction, data isolation techniques needed.
Seeing their code in not only a technical education on their architecture but you can see the results of a commerical development process had on the code base versus say an emulator like ArcEmu or any open source driven backend.
Perhaps this may give those aussies a run for the money now...
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GCC is used in xcode for iPhone programming as well as many other areas.
My son and I each had ~level 235 (max:250) characters in Ryzom, there is a lot there that is wonderful.
The Good:
The mobs are great, and very aggressive. I see something in a lot of the Aion mobs that reminds me of Ryzom.
The harvesting is the most complex and interesting of any MMO I have played, between gas, explosions and ticking off the local kami, it will kill you quickly if you aren't on your game.
The Mixed:
Very, very few meaningful quests, which meant the goals were largely tied to hunting, harvesting and crafting.
Travel is dangerous, really really dangerous. Moving between zones can require a full group of high level folks. There are often groups that will "trek" lower level folks to other zones to buy transporter tickets, but until you catch one of these you are stuck in your starter zone.
The Bad:
There are significant issues with who controls the best resources, with player-bases in one time zone scheduling attacks on Outposts owned by players in another timezone during times the defenders could be expected to be at work.
Healing will make you nauseous IRL if you get dizzy easily.
Kippis NEED a new sound. It's a car crash, you spend a lot of time around kippis harvesting, meaning, you have to listen to constant car crashes. Love the Kippi, fix the sound.
I perused the project website, and was pleased to see that they hope to have native clients for OS X and GNU/Linux by year's end.
I'm happy to see efforts in this direction, and hope that it might lead to more gaming options on those client platforms.
More details on these specific plans here: http://dev.ryzom.com/versions/show/15
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Yet it's getting replaced by Clang, which is superior in practically every single way.
Not for long.
No, you.
My Linux system is totally pimped out with Nvidia drivers, closed source software and the complete font set from Windows 7. Ain't no bitches gonna tell me I can't listen to mp3s because the codec is patented.
Yeah, that's right, Stallman, you commie bastard. I'm using your free software in a way you don't like. So stick that up your "gnu" you barefooted twat.
I've already got an idea to create a text-only MMORPG. I mean, without the graphics, the overhead will be cheaper and we won't have to charge people to play. It's a simple but elegant idea, and you all have me to thank for it. It could really take off too, if everyone else follows my lead. You can thank me for the idea later.
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It's superior only in the developers dreams. Today it only supports a small subset of the standards, it's buggy, and the output is not anywhere near as well optimized as GCC. It does compile quickly and sometimes gives more useful error messages.
Certainly it will get better— Apple is tossing millions behind this aggressive effort to get away from every piece of GPLed code.
complete font set from Windows 7
SegoeUI is an abomination. I'm sorry for your eyes.
Does this mean that the pledges/donations from the former Free Ryzom project have now been called in?
I was not a donor and the Free Ryzom project's forums are down so I'm unable to verify this but it would be very interesting to know, since the amount raised was impressive--the total was about $255,870 USD.
Name 1 big company or project that has actually switched.
When you sign up for this thing they send you an email with your username and your password (in plain text).
Nice!
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There's something decidedly ironic about this.
Ryzom has been bought by at least two different companies that have gone bankrupt. There is nothing technically wrong with the game it's just that the MMO industry is difficult to make a profit in.
Visual C++ doesn't appear to use the same parser code for syntax highlighting as the compiler! You do in fact see a lot of strange behaviour because of this with larger projects.
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I'd hesitate before making a statement like that, especially when it comes to C++.
The LLVM/Clang architecture is certainly superior, and I really do look forward to seeing a complete C++ toolchain being seamlessly integrated into editors and IDEs.
But regrettably, Clang's C++ front-end is still incomplete. It still cannot build many non-trivial programs and libraries, including Boost (and just about anything involving advanced use of templates).
Moreover, C++ is possibly the most syntactically complex language in widespread use today, and it is becoming more complex still. It may take years for Clang to hit such a moving target and implement a fully standards-compliant C++ compiler. Even reaching parity with MSVC and GCC (both of which already have support for the major C++0x features like lambdas, "auto" and iterator-loop syntax) may be a long time in coming.
Visual Studio uses an Elsa/EDG based parser for their syntax highlighting, not the msvc parser. Idiot.
Visual Studio is able to use the same parser code for syntax highlighting and error reporting in the IDE that it uses for compiling
[citation needed]
Can you find a source for that?
I am not really here right now.
It's not yet "superior in practically every single way"- and you should avoid making remarks of that nature.
Check the recent benchmarks out : http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=gcc_llvm_clang&num=1
For starters, if it was as you claim, it wouldn't have been edged out by the LLVM backend on GCC- but that was the case in most of the benchmark tests.
Second, if it was as you claim, it wouldn't have failed to run some of the benchmarks- if it's better in every way, it should be able to do the SAME things as GCC without failure, without flaws in execution and not fail where there are flaws within GCC (And there are some...).
In the end, superior means robust compilation results, and peak performance. Neither of which Clang brings to the table yet. The main reason Apple did this is that they wanted their OWN compiler toolchain that wasn't beholden to FSF- it's only real "compelling" thing is that it's under the BSD license. Now, having said all of the aforementioned, it's got potential to do what you claim. It's a good redesign of things using LLVM as the backend engine. But your assertion at this point in time is inaccurate.
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Well, at least it was interesting...and, if true, hilarious.
FreeBSD is switching.
Replaced? In the same way that Windows was replaced by Linux?