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Florida Fails To Pass Bestiality Law
One would think it would be easy to get lawmakers to agree that having sex with an animal should be outlawed. However, Florida lawmakers are proving just how hard it is for them to make an agreement on anything after failing to pass a proposed bestiality bill. From the article: "The inability to outlaw something so repugnant reveals how difficult it can be to get even the most carefully crafted, widely supported bill passed in the Florida Legislature. Its advocates say that in the political stew of a legislative session, the very outrageousness of the topic worked against it. Lawmakers said they did not want to be accused of wasting time addressing a rare crime when Floridians needed them to help create jobs. They also did not want to debate the icky subject in public meetings occasionally frequented by children."
Think of the children and NOT allow this law to be read?! We'll at lest people who are into this kind of kink can still buy American...
-Ours is the wisdom of Solomon, the magic of Merlyn, the fall of Icaris.
Yes, it is kinda ludicrous that Florida lawmakers cannot overcome some relatively minor obstacles, and manage to pass a law that most everyone, regardless of political affiliation, would agree to. But remember, Florida was one of only 7 or 8 states that still had sodomy laws in place until Federal repeal in 2003. So if I wanted anal with my husband in our own home, we'd could be charged with a misdemeanor punishable by 6 months in jail and fined for as much as $5000, both of us, if apprehended! No, I didn't hear about a lot of arrests on heterosexual consensual sodomy charges, but efforts to repeal the law were unsuccessful until the Fed's changed everything, so there must've been enough support somewhere to keep the law in place.
That is such a charming animal picture included. The dogs are a bit hideous looking, but look so sweet together!
tempus fugit
What if the animal was the instigator?
Alexander Peter Kristopeit bought his basement from his mommy for one dollar.
Looks like the congresscritters really screwed the pooch on that one!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
I saw the way that cute little lamb was battin' her big brown eyes at me... I tell ya, she was askin' for it!
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Do they? I would guess that most (all?) animals that are in any significant way useful (big enough, for example?...) for bestiality purposes can also pretty severely mutiliate a human, if they don't approve ("approve" at least as far as animal mind goes)
Plus many dogs seem to have an uncanny desire at the least for human legs...
Heck, my cat (when normally stroked during whatever remains of heat it has) appears, sometimes, to take on a vaguely mating position...
When you think about it, the kind of stroking that is typically performed by humans on many domesticated animals means, when a close equivalent is performed between consenting humans, a powerful turn-on. But try doing it on any random human (or an animal!) that doesn't approve...
One that hath name thou can not otter
BTW, was classifying this under "animal cruelty or abuse" ever explained in a sufficiently logical way, considering how many millions of animals we slaughter, kill as pests with various neurotoxins or outright drive to extintion?
One that hath name thou can not otter
There are at least a few directions I could take this argument.
Consent? You’re concerned about animals giving consent? We don’t seem to have that hang-up when we’re subjecting them to medical treatments or drugs. You don’t have to worry about getting your dog’s consent before the vet cuts his balls off, do you?
Rape? That is the forcible commission of an act of sexual intercourse upon a human without their consent. Just like killing an animal isn’t called murder, sexual intercourse with an animal without its consent (which it isn’t of a high enough mental state to properly give, according to the argument) shouldn’t be called rape. That takes you outside of the realm of loaded language such as “rape” and into a matter of whether or not you did physical harm or caused mental trauma. If the animal obviously wasn’t harmed and enjoyed it, then it wasn’t cruel or abusive.
I love playing devil’s advocate. :P
Alexander Peter Kristopeit bought his basement from his mommy for one dollar.
Well, the argument goes that an animal isn’t mentally cognizant enough to consent or not to a sexual act. Just like a 15-year-old isn’t considered mentally cognizant enough (in all of the US and many other parts of the world), or a person who is physically of age but who has a mental retardation isn’t considered mentally cognizant enough to make that decision.
However then you’re in a very gray area that I frankly don’t like. Why is statutory rape called statutory rape? Because it isn’t just plain ol’ regular “rape”; it’s only statutory rape. Statutory = “the law says it”. They basically made up a new crime called “the law calls this rape”. Well, the law already called certain things rape, and they are just referred to as plain jane “rape”; isn’t statutory rape by its very name redundant? The very existence of its name implies that it isn’t rape... it’s just legally categorized as a form of rape because it creeps us out and we think it should be made illegal.
No, we have to protect 15-year-old girls from creepy 40-year-old men, because they aren’t smart enough to know that they should never have sex with a 40-year-old man (even if they for some reason want to), and if they did like the guy a whole lot and for some reason decided to have sex with the guy and enjoyed it just fine, it would later end up scarring them for life because it should scar anyone for life – merely a self-fulfilling prophecy. It’s the power of suggestion.
Then when she turns 17, or 18, or whatever the magical age may be, she’s suddenly old enough to be treated like dirt by the 21-year-old asshole she’s somehow been attracted to, and when she regrets that abusive relationship five or ten years down the line, it’s her own fault for being such a slut because she should’a known better.
Alexander Peter Kristopeit bought his basement from his mommy for one dollar.
I have a question... If we already have laws that prevent animal cruelty, then why do we need a law specifically for having sex with an animal?
If you ask me, the process of butchering millions of chickens, cows, pigs, and sheep every year is far bigger deal for those animals than the perhaps ten thousand a year that are forced to have sex with a human.
I don't think that we should put people in jail for bestiality for the same reasons I don't think we should put people in jail for having anal sex or a scat fetish. The law should not be used to dictate morality, and no matter how icky you think something is, there is someone else who enjoys it.
-Bill
Of course shagging a sheep with a sheep-skin condom would be ... ironic?
Fighting over religion is like seeing whose imaginary friend is best.
I might be going a little too far here ... maybe I am just paranoid. But, I have been analyzing some evidence, fossil and more recent too, and I have reasons to believe that there has been some fucking going on in here. The evidence is subtle, you know, just billions of individuals going around, and, I sure, I am almost sure I've seen some babies from multiple species around here. Do you think maybe animals have been braking the law without being punished for, I don't know, 3.7 billion years? I know it sounds crazy that animals have been braking the law for so long without anyone noticing, but the evidence is there. We might want to take a closer look at it. There is a terrible, pornographic book (that should be banned) that is basically an apology of all this animal sex crimes. It's called The Evolution of Species. The guy that wrote it looks like a total pervert.
WTF am I doing replying to an AC at 5 A.M on a Friday night?
On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.
Well one thing's for certain: they got the magic ages wrong. Female humans don't mentally mature until around 20. And males?! Those animals aren't even remotely mature until around 25! Out of fairness, the age limit can't be unequal; therefore, I insist that no one 25 years of age or older be permitted to inflict sexual acts upon another younger than 25 years!
Yes, but didn’t it ever occur to anyone that screw-ups, or at least the ability to make your own decisions and face the legitimate consequences of your decisions, are a certain part of the learning process – possibly even an important part of it? Growth only lasts so long, and if it is stunted during that time, the child will never fully reach its potential; this is clearly evident in one’s physical development but is there any reason to believe that it’s any less true for the development of one’s brain?
When I say “legitimate” consequences, I mean natural ones, not unnatural consequences imposed by us to force someone to comply and essentially take away the difficulty of the decision process. If you’ll go to jail for something, it’s (usually) a pretty easy decision to not do it, but making certain difficult decisions might be an important part of learning to be responsible and make difficult decisions, and adding unnatural repercussions prevents this from happening to some extent.
If you’re training a child and you never let him hurt himself, what does that teach him? No, he’ll never be scalded by a pot of boiling water because you’d never dream of leaving the handle pointed outward... but he’ll also not properly realise that certain rules are there for his protection and violating them will cause painful consequences that you won’t always be able to shield him from, and the older he gets the more such rules he’ll be faced with. If mommy doesn’t always come running the instant he does something he knows he isn’t supposed to and she allows him to occasionally meet some mildly painful and unpleasant consequences he’ll much quicker learn that breaking rules is a risky business and he’ll learn to be more cautious.
Yes, exercising their sexuality is something that’s very easy for kids to screw up, particularly when it’s just beginning and they don’t know much better. Screw-ups are not the end of the world, and they don’t have to scar someone for life... if we let every screw-up be a life-ruining event none of us would ever be able to function.
Alexander Peter Kristopeit bought his basement from his mommy for one dollar.
So... I’m curious. If someone had sex with a 15-year-old dead dog, would it be rape, bestiality, necrophilia, or pedophilia?
Alexander Peter Kristopeit bought his basement from his mommy for one dollar.
Well, I’m honestly a little bit surprised. I asked why politicians felt justified to legislate on a clear morality issue, and I got moderated troll. Maybe the moderator thought I was trying to subtly argue the slippery-slope fallacy?
Alexander Peter Kristopeit bought his basement from his mommy for one dollar.
Mate, 'Naaah' means 'No.'
we already have laws that prevent animal cruelty
I seem to remember one case where it was tried under "animal cruelty" type laws, and the basis of the defence (which I believe won) was "the sheep liked it"
Icky. But hard to prove or disprove, really.
I agree with what you say here except on the sex part. I'm not against teens exploring, but sex is a two person thing (if we keep it "basic"). When a kid is playing or exploring and gets hurt, a scratch in the knee for example, only him/her gets hurt. Sex is trickier because it involves two, and you can get consequences that will be there for life (ie. pregnancy). So I'd be more careful on that particular issue
It’s a process. Kindergartners are worried about cooties, skinned knees, and the sweater their mom made them wear. Grade schoolers are worried about their sneakers, getting beat up on the playground, and the sweater their mom made them wear. Junior highers are worried about their hair, their sneakers, getting beat up on the playground, and the sweater their mom made them wear. High schoolers are worried about their car, their hair, their sneakers, getting beat up on the playground, and hopefully their mom isn’t still making them wear that sweater. And so on.
At some point they start seeing decisions that could really screw things up if they make the wrong choice, and they should be gradually prepared to make those choices. Sex is one of those choices and you can’t protect your kids from it. They’ll do it anyway. You have only the hope that they’ve learned enough by that time to make the right decisions, or at least not to make the really bad ones, when you aren’t going to be there to rescue them.
Alexander Peter Kristopeit bought his basement from his mommy for one dollar.
Love the sig! He's still out there somewhere, sometimes posts on Slashdot. Total freedom from self-awareness makes for a spectacle on many fora, still funny enough to become a meme.
"This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
Damn accents get me every time.
He's still out there somewhere, sometimes posts on Slashdot.
Heh. No kidding.
http://slashdot.org/~Falconhell/journal/249604
http://slashdot.org/~squiggleslash/journal/249758
http://slashdot.org/~gmhowell/journal/250222
http://slashdot.org/~squiggleslash/journal/250282
In fact 2 days ago he registered a new sock puppet...
Alexander Peter Kristopeit bought his basement from his mommy for one dollar.